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Why install ROM over just Rooting ?

Please help explain to my Brother who just got a GSM Nexus from the Play/Market store, what benefits there are to installing a good stable ROM over just Rooting the phone ? My bro is super smart, he's a programmer, and knows a ton about technology, etc..He just mentioned he's happy Rooted and that's it.
I have the Verizon Nexus, and rooted and ROM'd the first day I bought it, and love trying out different ROM's. But what is a good reason to install a nice ROM, instead of just using the stock Nexus that is Rooted ? How would you explain that to someone new to this phone ? And why do it ?

because when you root your phone, it does a lot of alterations and depending on what you do with root access (such as... put something in /system/ etc etc) there are a lot of variables. This may affect future OTAs, and if you do accept them and you did those altercations then your phone will not brick but there will be problems booting up/applying it etc etc.
So in the end, you might as well take things into your own hand and flash. If you're going to root, do it the WHOLE way. Not go half in, and half out. That's just my opinion.
And sigh, another thread about what ROM to choose from. Look at the dev section and look at all the ROMs and depending on the comments + features (OP post) have to offer. Select your choice there. The most popular combo is AOKP with Franco Kernel.
And if someone is new, I'd leave their phone stock. Otherwise, you'll be holding their hands and asking you questions on how to do things. A rooted phone is that person's responsibility.

Zorachus said:
Please help explain to my Brother who just got a GSM Nexus from the Play/Market store, what benefits there are to installing a good stable ROM over just Rooting the phone ? My bro is super smart, he's a programmer, and knows a ton about technology, etc..He just mentioned he's happy Rooted and that's it.
I have the Verizon Nexus, and rooted and ROM'd the first day I bought it, and love trying out different ROM's. But what is a good reason to install a nice ROM, instead of just using the stock Nexus that is Rooted ? How would you explain that to someone new to this phone ? And why do it ?
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Are you trying to insist your brother flash? Maybe he is quite content with stock and knows it is stable and root just gives the extra privileges he wants. I am running stock and almost pure kernel rooted and very happy.
let it be.

Zorachus said:
Please help explain to my Brother who just got a GSM Nexus from the Play/Market store, what benefits there are to installing a good stable ROM over just Rooting the phone ? My bro is super smart, he's a programmer, and knows a ton about technology, etc..He just mentioned he's happy Rooted and that's it.
I have the Verizon Nexus, and rooted and ROM'd the first day I bought it, and love trying out different ROM's. But what is a good reason to install a nice ROM, instead of just using the stock Nexus that is Rooted ? How would you explain that to someone new to this phone ? And why do it ?
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If he doesn't see the need for it, then he shouldn't put a ROM on the phone. Don't push him to do it. He's a smart guy, let him make his own decisions. The worst thing you can do is force him to use a custom ROM when he doesn't want to, and have him regret it.

Zorachus said:
Please help explain to my Brother who just got a GSM Nexus from the Play/Market store, what benefits there are to installing a good stable ROM over just Rooting the phone ? My bro is super smart, he's a programmer, and knows a ton about technology, etc..He just mentioned he's happy Rooted and that's it.
I have the Verizon Nexus, and rooted and ROM'd the first day I bought it, and love trying out different ROM's. But what is a good reason to install a nice ROM, instead of just using the stock Nexus that is Rooted ? How would you explain that to someone new to this phone ? And why do it ?
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Im too a software developer and a electronics engineer, and i was a stock lover until i tried AOKP Milestone, i would never go back to stock, the feature rich/stabilty/power saving/customization of this rom its just godly.. He wont ever know what are the ICS's real calabilities until he try out whats there.. He can always go back to pure stock.. So i dont see the point on non flashing and testing roms..
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Because he'll be able to sit at the cool kids table at lunch.
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Because he'll be able to sit at the cool kids table at lunch.
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He could always stay stock and sit at the "my phone always works" table .

Such a simple question. Because it adds tons of features and functions. You can't really make a judgement saying you're fine stock if you don't know the other side of the question what the other roms offer. Only when you try both can you say yes or no you're happy with or without stock.
My personal opinion, the roms on this phone offer god like amount of features worth using.

[Q] Newbie to Root and ROM

I'm looking for a bit of advice. I want to wait to upgrade my Samsung Galaxy S2 Epic 4G Touch, but I'm getting impatient waiting for Sprint. I'd also like to remove the bloatware and improve battery life.
The way I understand getting a ICS rom onto my phone is as follows:
a) Root
b) Apply ROM
Can anyone point me to a good article on rooting my phone and also what a good quality ROM would be? I jailbroke my iPhone and iPod Touch in the past and that was very easy...so this seems a little more involved and felt it best to ask for advice.
Also, if I were to root or ROM the device and wanted to go back to factory settings, what's the best way to do so? If I backup with the thick client Kies app, will it allow me to restore the device easily?
Thanks!

[Q] New 8.4 S, root right away?

Hi, just got home from Best Buy with an 8.4 S. Got it for a decent price after price matching with Canada Computers. This is my first android tablet but I'm on my fourth android phone and I've rooted and played with roms before.
So we all know touchwiz lags right out of the box. I want to fix this. I'll replace the launcher regardless but I've got a couple questions:
1) People suggest waiting a bit before rooting in case the tablet is defective. Is this really necessary? Is there any way to run a diagnostic so I can figure out if there are hardware defects before rooting?
2) Does rooting really void hardware warranty coverage? This seems a little ridiculous. I've owned four android phones so far and not a single one has had a hardware issue that I didn't cause myself. Has anyone rooted and actually had issues that Samsung refused to fix?
3) Given that the official Samsung L build is coming to this tab soon, should I just wait until then before making any decision on rooting?
4) In the mean-time, I'll probably run the Debloater tool referenced here
I understand some of these are personal decisions but I'm curious what your opinions are!

Please help a semi newb, just want a usable device

So I used to root phones years and years ago. HAvent felt the need since.
I just got this the tab s 8.4. Lovely tablet, fast ,good build quality, etc. But I've been using nexus devices since the nexus S. Samsungs interface has me wanting to throw this tablet again the wall.
I just want a stock android experience on this otherwise wonderful tablet,
I looked a bit through the android development section and realized how lost I was. I just want to know the easjest way to get rid of this awful interface so I can run vanilla android.
Is that going to a require a root and rom flash? And there programs out now that do it for you so your back end involvement is mimimized?
Please point me in the right direction of what I need to do to have this wonderful tablet running stock android.
Any help is much appreciated. If someone really helps me out and walks me through the process I have no problem throwing them a few bucks on paypal. Just want this tablet to run the way I want it.
Thanks for your help. Feel free to text 561 808 9694 for quicker response as I may forgot to check this as often as I should.

Use "Google Now Launcher" from Play store

I have successfully used IronRom, which is rooted etc., and highly cusomable.
Also I have used Cyanogenmod 12.1, which is official with nightlies.
Search XDA forums, and you will find these and other gems.
Edit: I may have missed your point (stock android) but the ROM's mentioned gives you a new and better experience with the Tab s 8.4 ...

Is there an actual need to root?

I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?

No. I wouldn't... for you though the cat's already out of the bag.
If running on Pie I definitely wouldn't update to 10 or worse 11.

mckeowngoo said:
I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?
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Like you, I've been rooting since my HTC-Hero way back in the early days of Android. It was necessary for better kernels, better battery life, better RAM and CPU management, better file systems (Early days of ARM and EXT4) and of course those cool themes and apps that only work with Root (Titanium Backup, Gosh I miss you!!). Not to mention what was my favorite, MIUI!
The last phone I rooted was the Nexus 6. It was a powerhouse! I still have it in a drawer full of old devices in my desk and miss it! Someone once told me when checking out my N6, "Your phone is like a muscle car!"
I miss rooting and I hate that carriers have locked the Bootloaders down. Android was founded on and was expanded by the Amateur Development community. Look up Cyanogen for details!.
I just bought my daughter this device outright - first, one I've ever bought that wasn't through my carrier and I'll be doing the same with the Pixel 6 for myself later this year which means I can finally go back to rooting and hopefully back to what earned me the RC title, but I also wonder, do I really NEED to root these??
My daughter isn't a power user. She's probably happy with whatever native settings and Samsung themes she can find on her own. My Pixel 4 XL has been great as is. so I applaud your question because I also wonder if rooting is still necessary or is it just a way to feel rebellious and outside the fray?

I also own a Pixel 4, bought to scratch an itch when I wanted to try out GrapheneOS.
I think I will go back to stock, which is sad as I enjoyed the process of modifying the phones software. If there was a net gain or increased functionality to keep the phone rooted, I would but unfortunately there isn't a compelling reason to keep the bootloader unlocked.
Am I wrong? Is the scene, at least for Samsung phones, dead and this forum obsolete?

Root is a must for me. Just being able to debloat. Either way I bought a unlock token

I understand the debloat of carriers useless apps, but since I found that ADB can basicly remove the programs I don't need root for that. But I still like root for change hosts files and such.