Is anyone working currently working on a solution to this catastrophe? I'm one of the unfortunate individuals that happened to acquire an S4 with this build preinstalled. Needless to say, I'm pissed.I'm curious as to if it's even possible to bypass Knox. I'd love to liberate my Galaxy from Touch Wiz and install a the official GE ROM.
I'm more interested in the updated LTE modem that seems to be tied into the 4.3 knoxed up bootloader since I'm still on 4.2.2.
aka_word said:
Is anyone working currently working on a solution to this catastrophe? I'm one of the unfortunate individuals that happened to acquire an S4 with this build preinstalled. Needless to say, I'm pissed.I'm curious as to if it's even possible to bypass Knox. I'd love to liberate my Galaxy from Touch Wiz and install a the official GE ROM.
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there is nothing to solve. you may install CWM/custom ROM as normal.
dcd1182 said:
there is nothing to solve. you may install CWM/custom ROM as normal.
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If you care about your warranty this may trip a counter "KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0X1" or something like that. But anyway, the part about voiding you warranty is a theory. In some cases I've read where a device was repaired in store with a simple re-flash of stock firmware, resetting the counter. Other cases have reported sending them in to either be fixed for free or sent a bill for tripping the counter. So the choice is your, just be informed of the concequences before you make your decision. This phone is damn near $700.
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If you care about your warranty this may trip a counter "KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0X1" or something like that. But anyway, the part about voiding you warranty is a theory. In some cases I've read where a device was repaired in store with a simple re-flash of stock firmware, resetting the counter. Other cases have reported sending them in to either be fixed for free or sent a bill for tripping the counter. So the choice is your, just be informed of the concequences before you make your decision. This phone is damn near $700.
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Exactly. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd prefer to keep my warranty intact as well as the resell value. By the time I'm ready to sell it, I'm sure people will start caring about having the manufacturer's warranty still intact.
dcd1182 said:
there is nothing to solve. you may install CWM/custom ROM as normal.
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The latest build prevents users from gaining root access.
What build ? CM?
My S4 Is Insane
DEVIANT DEVELOPMENT MEMBER
aka_word said:
The latest build prevents users from gaining root access.
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I was able to run CF-Autoroot after taking the update via Kies. I haven't installed Knox but I am on the MK2 bootloader. I don't believe it prevents root access...
aka_word said:
The latest build prevents users from gaining root access.
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totally irrelevant.
re: gaining root
aka_word said:
The latest build prevents users from gaining root access.
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I just wonder where you read that rumor. LOL
You must be google'ing way too much!
Misterjunky said:
I just wonder where you read that rumor. LOL
You must be google'ing way too much!
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This is drawn from my own experience.
Related
Hello guys,
i've just bought this wonderfull device and i'm loving it...
so much that despite my signature i'm thinking to stay stock and not rooted for a while
but
i notice ram load gets around 1.1 gb out of 1.7 gb frquently and that loads of "bloatware apps" get in the ram memory.
now since i'm not rooted, is there any app or way to choose which apps must not open and get in the ram automatically ?
thanks
Not any effective way without root, I think. Task killers would only make the apps restart constantly and drain your battery. Greenify is really the best solution, but needs root.
However I must point out that unused ram is wasted ram. I've seen many users fanatic about keeping ram usage low, it's like having a huge gas tank on a car, but never filling more than a litre of gas.
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No such productive app until you root your device .
Best thing is to root.
Worst thing is to Task Manager.
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ok guys, so i guess going over 1gb of used ram is routine and not overloading
so for the time being i'll leave it as it is
thanks all
wwwpuntoit said:
ok guys, so i guess going over 1gb of used ram is routine and not overloading
so for the time being i'll leave it as it is
thanks all
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Just to remind you again, don't use RAM/Application killers. It's not effective and will make you consume more battery.
yep got it
You can delete some bloatwares in an official firmware from your PC and then you flash via Odin.
Memphis_ said:
You can delete some bloatwares in an official firmware from your PC and then you flash via Odin.
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This would invalidate my waranty ?
wwwpuntoit said:
This would invalidate my waranty ?
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This is possible but may complicate things.
I suggest stick to what you have now and if you decide to root, then it will be a piece of cake.
You can always go back to stock Samsung if you are just afraid of losing warranty.
yes i agree
but just so that i know :
OFFICIALLY, when you first root your phone, you have lost warranty once and forever ? i know you can flash back to stock and nobody will notice
it's just to understand properly how it works
wwwpuntoit said:
yes i agree
but just so that i know :
OFFICIALLY, when you first root your phone, you have lost warranty once and forever ? i know you can flash back to stock and nobody will notice
it's just to understand properly how it works
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You will void your warranty when you root.
You will get it back if you flash the stock Samsung firmware.
Simone said:
You will void your warranty when you root.
You will get it back if you flash the stock Samsung firmware.
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but you mean officially get it back ? or you just get it back because they don't know you have rooted before ?
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but you mean officially get it back ? or you just get it back because they don't know you have rooted before ?
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This thread wil help you. :victory:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696
Simone said:
This thread wil help you. :victory:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696
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probably i did not explain myself in the right way
i perfectly know how to root/unroot/flash roms and restock
i was just wondering how EXACLTY the warranty thing works
wwwpuntoit said:
probably i did not explain myself in the right way
i perfectly know how to root/unroot/flash roms and restock
i was just wondering how EXACLTY the warranty thing works
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Probably I did not explain myself in the right way, as well.
Rooted = Warranty is now void
Flash Stock Samsung Firmware + Unroot = Warranty OFFICIALLY back
Simone said:
Probably I did not explain myself in the right way, as well.
Rooted = Warranty is now void
Flash Stock Samsung Firmware + Unroot = Warranty OFFICIALLY back
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ok thanks mate
Simone said:
You will void your warranty when you root.
You will get it back if you flash the stock Samsung firmware.
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This is not right for a few months:
Legality
Australia
Rooting of any device is legal if the purpose is to run legal apps
Europe
The Free Software Foundation Europe argues that it is legal to root or flash any device. According to the European Directive 1999/44/CE, replacing the original operating system with another does not void the statutory warranty that covers the hardware of the device for two years unless the seller can prove that the modification caused the defect.
United States
On July 26, 2010, the United States Copyright Office announced a new exemption making it officially legal to root a device and run unauthorized third-party applications, as well as the ability to unlock any cell phone for use on multiple carriers.
On October 28, 2012, the US Copyright Office updated their exemption policies. The rooting of smartphones continues to be legal "where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of [lawfully obtained software] applications with computer programs on the telephone handset." However, the U.S. Copyright office refused to extend this exemption to tablets, arguing that the term "tablets" is broad and ill-defined, and an exemption to this class of devices could have unintended side effects
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EDIT
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:NOT
Memphis_ said:
This is not right for a few months:
EDIT
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:NOT
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For a few months? LOL
i'm confused guys,
so it's now legal to root devices ??
samsung should give repairs under warranty if devices are found to be non stock ?
Hello,
Fairly new to android and rooting. Only rooted one phone (Dad's gs2 bc it had firmware and camera issues) but I was successful.
Using a virgin Galaxy S4 on tmobile since april only mild battery issues. Was waiting for uodate and shocked that we only get jellybean instead of 4.4 kitkat??!!
So question:
Upgrade and lock bc of KNOX and just wait?
OR
Dont upgrade and root and add kitkat now?
Is it worth the upgrade?
Galaxy s4 on Tapatalk
KNOX doesn't lock your phone. Its builtin to the 4.3/4.4 bootloader and if you root or flash roms, it trips the flag and voids your warranty. That is all. If you don't care about the warranty, flash away. You can root your current firmware and flash the 4.3 or 4.4 roms that are on thr forums that have KNOX removed. I'm on 4.2.2 and Ive upgraded using flashable roms and came back without having to worry about KNOX
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Thanks, do you happen to have a link to a How to?
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95gsrturbo said:
Thanks, do you happen to have a link to a How to?
Galaxy s4 on Tapatalk
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That would be handy, as bouncing around the threads on the update and the initial ROMs being developed leaves a lot of questions and there are a number of soft bricked devices because of it.
Apparently, if you want to stay totally away from knox, you cannot simply flash the new radio as-is, as without having loaded the new knox bootloader, a number of functions will not work. And if you just flash the new OTA based ROMs, you can have problems also,
Work is being done to de-knox the radio, but I don't know where that stands. Nor am I sure if when that is done if you will be able to flash and use the new OTA ROMs and also revert to 4.2.2 without having to first revert to previous radio.
So again, a guide on living with knox would be helpful.
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That would be handy, as bouncing around the threads on the update and the initial ROMs being developed leaves a lot of questions and there are a number of soft bricked devices because of it.
Apparently, if you want to stay totally away from knox, you cannot simply flash the new radio as-is, as without having loaded the new knox bootloader, a number of functions will not work. And if you just flash the new OTA based ROMs, you can have problems also,
Work is being done to de-knox the radio, but I don't know where that stands. Nor am I sure if when that is done if you will be able to flash and use the new OTA ROMs and also revert to 4.2.2 without having to first revert to previous radio.
So again, a guide on living with knox would be helpful.
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I'd like to know whether, if I upgrade to 4.3 using Kies (I'm on rooted 4.2 stock), I can re-root and remove Knox (as I've done in 4.2). I know I can re-root, and permanently void the warranty, but I don't know if Knox is removable in 4.3.
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I'd like to know whether, if I upgrade to 4.3 using Kies (I'm on rooted 4.2 stock), I can re-root and remove Knox (as I've done in 4.2). I know I can re-root, and permanently void the warranty, but I don't know if Knox is removable in 4.3.
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If you upgrade to 4.3 via Kies you will trip KNOX if you change ANYTHING. Once it's tripped, you can't clear it.
The only way to avoid tripping the KNOX flag is to use a rom with KNOX removed
Can someone clarify something for me. Does having the 4.3 bootloader and knox 0x1 prevent you from flashing CM/GE/AOSP/Non-TW4.3+ ROMs? I've been staying on the old bootloader and am considering just updating. If the knox 0x1 only affects warranty and not flashing of any ROM I want, then I don't care if I have 0x1
95gsrturbo said:
Thanks, do you happen to have a link to a How to?
Galaxy s4 on Tapatalk
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Use the thanks button
Synergy510 said:
Can someone clarify something for me. Does having the 4.3 bootloader and knox 0x1 prevent you from flashing CM/GE/AOSP/Non-TW4.3+ ROMs? I've been staying on the old bootloader and am considering just updating. If the knox 0x1 only affects warranty and not flashing of any ROM I want, then I don't care if I have 0x1
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Only voids warranty afaik. Why not stick with the old bootloader and just flash new roms without the new knox bootloader? Best of both worlds.
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xdapowerapps said:
Only voids warranty afaik. Why not stick with the old bootloader and just flash new roms without the new knox bootloader? Best of both worlds.
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I was considering it only because I thought the new bootloader made a difference. Thanks for the reply
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I was considering it only because I thought the new bootloader made a difference. Thanks for the reply
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Np. In my honest opinion, this new bootloader is just another middle finger to the consumers under the false pretense of solidifying security measures for the few coorporations that have actual need for KNOX. This is Samsungs way of avoiding responsibility for failed hardware. Okay enough ranting lol. New bootloader serves only as a way to inform Samsung or the store you are returning to that your warranty is void.
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He put it in a better way:
Skipjacks said:
As for upgrading to 4.3 you do not need the 4.3 bootloader and you don't want it. It has a way to show that you've previously rooted the device that cannot (as of yet) be reset.
Just flash 4.3 ROMs in recovery. Anything you find in the development section will work fine. But if you want Wifi Calling you HAVE to use a T Mobile specific Touch Wiz ROM. You cannot use just any Touch Wiz ROM or any AOSP ROM at all.
If you want the T Mobile Wifi CAlling on the stock 4.3 rom and don't want all the other BS that comes with it, use this guide...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546024
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xdapowerapps said:
Np. In my honest opinion, this new bootloader is just another middle finger to the consumers under the false pretense of solidifying security measures for the few coorporations that have actual need for KNOX. This is Samsungs way of avoiding responsibility for failed hardware. Okay enough ranting lol. New bootloader serves only as a way to inform Samsung or the store you are returning to that your warranty is void.
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Umm, many people with real jobs have security requirements for their mobile devices. KNOX has nothing to do with Samsung attempting to avoid responsibility for hardware failures. They have nothing to do with each other. Where did you get this BS from?
I guess it is the interwebs so people can make up anything they want.
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Use the thanks button
"Thanks button"???
:good:???
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jcbofkc said:
Umm, many people with real jobs have security requirements for their mobile devices. KNOX has nothing to do with Samsung attempting to avoid responsibility for hardware failures. They have nothing to do with each other. Where did you get this BS from?
I guess it is the interwebs so people can make up anything they want.
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I specifically stated in my first sentence that it is my personal opinion. I also stated that corporations do use KNOX but not to the extent that everyone needs to have it pushed out to them without a choice. Quit getting your panties in a bunch and learn to read.
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I specifically stated in my first sentence that it is my personal opinion. I also stated that corporauselesso use KNOX but not to the extent that everyone needs to have it pushed out to them without a choice. because toing your panties in a bunch and learn to read.
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My panties are not in a bunch. KNOX has nothing to do with the samsung warranty in the case of hardware failure. Your opinion is useless if it is based on garbage. Make sure you know what you are talking about instead of making stuff up when giving advice.
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My panties are not in a bunch. KNOX has nothing to do with the samsung warranty in the case of hardware failure. Your opinion is useless if it is based on garbage. Make sure you know what you are talking about instead of making stuff up when giving advice.
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You're not reading anything I wrote and are living in your own bubble. Your arrogance precedes you. I've stated the facts and I've stated my opinion, if you can't connect two and two, you shouldn't be responding in the thread. Now kindly be quiet and bring the thread back to topic.
Hey, as my Note II is still under warranty for a long time, I'm looking for a 100% sure way to root without my files getting lost and the KNOX counter going up.
Right now:
Fully stock Note II running 4.3 (N7100XXUEMJ9, updated via Kies)
What I want:
Rooted stock ROM and stock kernel, just to use apps that require root access.
Warranty not void
Thanks!
martinlink said:
Hey, as my Note II is still under warranty for a long time, I'm looking for a 100% sure way to root without my files getting lost and the KNOX counter going up.
Right now:
Fully stock Note II running 4.3 (N7100XXUEMJ9, updated via Kies)
What I want:
Rooted stock ROM and stock kernel, just to use apps that require root access.
Warranty not void
Thanks!
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you can look here.
i personally not tried it yet.
sora9009 said:
you can look here.
i personally not tried it yet.
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Wasn't the kingo thing found to be a malware of some sorts? I found that thread too but remembered from somewhere that it starts connecting to some chinese servers on its own or something...?
martinlink said:
Wasn't the kingo thing found to be a malware of some sorts? I found that thread too but remembered from somewhere that it starts connecting to some chinese servers on its own or something...?
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yeah and thats why im not using it yet.better safe than sorry mate..
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yeah and thats why im not using it yet.better safe than sorry mate..
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking...
So currently, no "safe" way to root a 4.3 note II without raising KNOX counter, yeah?
martinlink said:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking...
So currently, no "safe" way to root a 4.3 note II without raising KNOX counter, yeah?
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yup..
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yup..
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I have PM'd a few Mod's who had closed threads concerning rooting without tripping knox, who from their post history at least, looked like they where in on the discussion on whats going on.. Nothing back from any of them yet (even asked for direction to the proper thread to get updates)
Sadly, as the last thread I saw was closed on NOVEMBER 6th due to IMEI and HTTP concerns, there have been 4 new release's for the Kingo software, and yet I cannot find a single XDA thread (admittedly 20min~ is about my limit for the site search engine) about if any of those 4 updates resolved the issues XDA had with the root tool...
I desire to simply remove the bloatware, not void my damn warranty... screw you Samsung for disabling the DISABLE feature for BLOATware...
Hey guys. So I just got a Samsung galaxy tab pro 8.4 and it's full of crap. I also read that installing a new rom will mess your warranty right? Will rooting it also mess it?
ValdoNunes said:
Hey guys. So I just got a Samsung galaxy tab pro 8.4 and it's full of crap. I also read that installing a new rom will mess your warranty right? Will rooting it also mess it?
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yes both rooting and flashing puts an end to your warranty
the first thing you can do which will make quite a difference is go to settings / general /application manager and tap on each one of Samsung's bloats - there must be more than 30- and see which ones can be disabled. they are quite plenty. disable them you will end up with a much lighter touchwiz
it is totally harmless and needs no rooting.
off course after rooting you can freeze all of them but first things first
oh and enjoy your tab!
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Thanks!
I already deactivated some of them, but I'm a bit afraid of deactivating something I shouldn't. Is there a list of what I can deactivate?
I also installed nova launcher and the same icon pack I use on my phone.
EDIT: also, how do you add/remove widgets on the lockscreen?
It will definitely not remove the hardware warranty...
rchtk said:
It will definitely not remove the hardware warranty...
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wut? the rooting or installing new rom?
Why not install towel root (depending on what firmware you have) then su pro and then install titanium backup and remove or freeze the bloat Ware. If anything goes wrong just reflash the original firmware for your region and all is good again. That's exactly what I have done mate and it didn't trip knox either.
The problem is that I heard that it eliminates all warranty..
ValdoNunes said:
The problem is that I heard that it eliminates all warranty..
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Towel root does not trip knox.
Cheers,
Rich
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Really? I thought there was no way to do it.
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wut? the rooting or installing new rom?
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Both. You'll find nothing that states this nor I the contract you so signed or on Samsungknox website. That's a myth.
And even if it was this wouldn't apply in Europe or in the US..
Was is removed is Knox warranty. Meaning that the device has been tampered with.
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Both. You'll find nothing that states this nor I the contract you so signed or on Samsungknox website. That's a myth.
And even if it was this wouldn't apply in Europe or in the US..
Was is removed is Knox warranty. Meaning that the device has been tampered with.
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So what is even the Knox warranty? You're telling me that it will be known that the device has been tampered with, but i can still send it to warranty and get assisted ?
ValdoNunes said:
So what is even the Knox warranty? You're telling me that it will be known that the device has been tampered with, but i can still send it to warranty and get assisted ?
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Knox is like secureboot with PC it creates a chain of trust from bootloader up to ROM. If anything of this chain is modified Samsung will not feel responsible for any software related bugs or software security concerns.
Hardware warranty is lost only if the manufacturer can prove that your software modification resulted in damage. Over clocking or playing wih thermal threshold are such cases. Rooting or flashing is not..
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Knox is like secureboot with PC it creates a chain of trust from bootloader up to ROM. If anything of this chain is modified Samsung will not feel responsible for any software related bugs or software security concerns.
Hardware warranty is lost only if the manufacturer can prove that your software modification resulted in damage. Over clocking or playing wih thermal threshold are such cases. Rooting or flashing is not..
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Oh. Greatly explained. Thanks!
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Rooting or flashing is not..
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I could confirm that:
Towel root does not trigger any visual flags
Flashing a ROM (like CM11) does trigger "Kox Warranty Void" flag but not "Knox" flag.
So if one likes to play safe from ServiceCenter point of view, rooting is a bit safer option...
can't you temp root it?
then you can remove the bloatware and when you restart, you are not rooted!
Hi, I am looking for a thread on xda that is about knox and finding a way to reset the flash counter on the a5, so that I would be able to follow progression on that topic. I have been looking but I couldn't find one. Are developers working on that?
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Hi, I am looking for a thread on xda that is about knox and finding a way to reset the flash counter on the a5, so that I would be able to follow progression on that topic. I have been looking but I couldn't find one. Are developers working on that?
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Knox can NOT be changed back in any way.
You can only replace the board to get knox back
MaDaLiNoSt said:
Knox can NOT be changed back in any way.
You can only replace the board to get knox back
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Does that mean that it is certain that developers will never be able to find a way to reset knox like they did before on older galaxy's?
Sn0w0nS said:
Does that mean that it is certain that developers will never be able to find a way to reset knox like they did before on older galaxy's?
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Do a research about the new knox. It.s an e-fuse. Once that bit is burn on the emmc, it can.t be erased
However there might be at some point a kernel which spoof Knox. This won't reset warrznty but you'll at least br able to use things like pay
Ok, I have been looking for knox and e fuse and I totally understand now. To bad it is done this way.