When I'm playing games with high graphic details, my Note 2 is getting hot. I know that the hot is from CPU/GPU usage.
Can I play freely and without beeing concerned after the phone is getting hot?
How long can I play after the phone is getting hot?
For the most part it can get too hot to hold and not damage any of the internals. Although the battery will wear down quicker at high heat
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For the most part it can get too hot to hold and not damage any of the internals. Although the battery will wear down quicker at high heat
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But can I play without being concerned even if the phone is getting hot?
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But can I play without beeing concerned even if the phone is getting hot?
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For those game which need high consumption on your phone resources,... It is normal. Perhaps that's the reason samsung use hard plastic instead of metal
As long as your phone never face any sudden reboot due to heat, then it is fine. I've used many Samsung smartphone, from the lowest specs, till Note 2 (except Note 3... not enought budget so far :fingers-crossed, and I know heat is normal for Android device. And please don't compare with iPhone, due to different O/S character.
And yes, when the phone get hotter, the battery will run down faster.
This is what I know. You may correct me if I'm wrong, I just wrote based on my experience.
but if you concern about the heat, then you can stop playing that particular game(s) on your Note 2, or you can try to change kernel. This might help a bit. Different kernel will give different performance.
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For those game which need high consumption on your phone resources,... It is normal. Perhaps that's the reason samsung use hard plastic instead of metal
As long as your phone never face any sudden reboot due to heat, then it is fine. I've used many Samsung smartphone, from the lowest specs, till Note 2 (except Note 3... not enought budget so far :fingers-crossed, and I know heat is normal for Android device. And please don't compare with iPhone, due to different O/S character.
And yes, when the phone get hotter, the battery will run down faster.
This is what I know. You may correct me if I'm wrong, I just wrote based on my experience.
but if you concern about the heat, then you can stop playing that particular game(s) on your Note 2, or you can try to change kernel. This might help a bit. Different kernel will give different performance.
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Thanks for responding.
I can't change the kernel because my phone is still in warranty and I'm risking to lose it.
I knew that getting hot is normal, but even if I know that, I'm still concerned. That's the reason why I asked that Q. I hope is normal and I hope i can play freely on the phone without thinking at the worst.
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So I just got the Galaxy Nexus (upgraded from the Nexus S) and just after the first day of use (no heavy workload, wifi or GPS) this thing became painfully hot. We're talking touch it to your skin and *ouch* hot. Strangely the massive heat output seems to be limited to just the top quarter of the device. Also note that it takes only about 10min until it reaches 'unusable' status.
Does anyone else have experience with this problem? Admittedly I was warned by the provider I got it from that they had had feedback from customers about it's excessive heat output and other people I know have also commented to the same affect. But I never thought it would be quite this bad. I could fry an egg on this thing. Considering my Nexus S never had this issue - this is disappointing. Are we talking hardware design fail? Or perhaps a bad batch in my country?
If this was an iPhone they'd be headlines going on about 'heat-gate' and Larry Page coming out saying that we're 'cooling it wrong' lol
the nexus does get abit hot around the camera area, but it shouldnt be THAT hot lol.. what are the ambient tempreatures around where you're using the phone?
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the nexus does get abit hot around the camera area, but it shouldnt be THAT hot lol.. what are the ambient tempreatures around where you're using the phone?
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Not that hot - maybe 20-25c
Perhaps monitor battery temp with an app, it won't give you a precise indication of your processor temp, but there should be a correlation. The phone does get warm around the camera area, but never painfully so (for me). Was your AOS usage abnormally high?
I think the OP is overreacting just a little, if it burned you then the phone would have melted
Anyways, its perfectly normal. the OMAP4 chipset runs really hot, I read somewhere that it operates normally between 85-105 degrees Fahrenheit.
Here it says that the OMAP4 platform has a temperature range of -40° to 85°C. I think thats overstating it, but its all there
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I think the OP is overreacting just a little, if it burned you then the phone would have melted
Anyways, its perfectly normal. the OMAP4 chipset runs really hot, I read somewhere that it operates normally between 85-105 degrees Fahrenheit.
Here it says that the OMAP4 platform has a temperature range of -40° to 85°C. I think thats overstating it, but its all there
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I used by SGSII in northern Ethiopia (Dallol), air temp was 56C, it didn't like it
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I think the OP is overreacting just a little, if it burned you then the phone would have melted
Anyways, its perfectly normal. the OMAP4 chipset runs really hot, I read somewhere that it operates normally between 85-105 degrees Fahrenheit.
Here it says that the OMAP4 platform has a temperature range of -40° to 85°C. I think thats overstating it, but its all there
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Well let me put it this way. It's hot enough for me to consider claiming on warranty. No phone should generate that much heat right next to your head/ear. That's unusable in real terms (at least with this particular one). And i've had my fair share of android phones in the past to compare...
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Well let me put it this way. It's hot enough for me to consider claiming on warranty. No phone should generate that much heat right next to your head/ear. That's unusable in real terms (at least with this particular one). And i've had my fair share of android phones in the past to compare...
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The Tegra2 chipset runs VERY hot when overclocked as well, I've had hot experiences on both my Galaxy Tab 10.1 and my G2x, and I can also say that the OMAP4 runs hotter than that! Just offering opinion is all, it's perfectly normal for it to be running extra hot, and it happens fairly quickly.
I completely agree with you that the phone does get abnormally hot, but then again, from my experience, so does the RAZR with a sister chip in it.
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So I just got the Galaxy Nexus (upgraded from the Nexus S) and just after the first day of use (no heavy workload, wifi or GPS) this thing became painfully hot.
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Android 4.0.1, stock Nexus Galaxy, going on 2 weeks. It's in an otterbox defender case, after 1.5 hours of running video it's warm in my hands, but that's under constant workload that nearly drained the whole battery. In other words during normal operation I am not finding the serious problem you are describing. Empathy out to you.
What temps we're talking about? Mine stays at +36C +38C while browsing web/watching youtube and gets a bit (around +41C) hotter when playing games. And these temps are far from hot-to-touch.
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Sometimes my GN becomes really hot too. It also happens when i'm watching hd video for a half an hour or more. Then it turns terribly hot.
mine goes to 48C and then it starts lagging like hell
Mine gets warm around the camera and earpiece. It's pretty normal, I'd say.
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There are multiple threads on this, but I'll say what I've said before: it's a dual core device, it runs hot, it's not "overheating" unless your phone is crashing, shutting down, or otherwise obviously malfunctioning in some way other than getting hot.
What do you mean by "it reaches 'unusable' status" though? Are you just afraid of using it because it seems hot? Mine gets quite hot when I use it heavily...have kept it going for several hours in this state (while plugged in) with no other issues.
Mine gets hot in the same area, but it has never been that hot, just warm. My OG Droid was OCd to 1.3ghz and that literally reached 150+ degrees F quite a few times and is still fine to this day. The OMAP SoCs seem to run a bit hotter than others, but they can definitely handle the heat.
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There are multiple threads on this, but I'll say what I've said before: it's a dual core device, it runs hot, it's not "overheating" unless your phone is crashing, shutting down, or otherwise obviously malfunctioning in some way other than getting hot.
What do you mean by "it reaches 'unusable' status" though? Are you just afraid of using it because it seems hot? Mine gets quite hot when I use it heavily...have kept it going for several hours in this state (while plugged in) with no other issues.
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Basically out of the many smart phones i've had in the past. This is the first that I would say I would refuse to hold it up next to my ear due to the excessive heat. It's bad enough just holding it landscape to type on let alone sticking next to my head. It's really annoying considering how otherwise the interface and physical design of the device is better then anything else i've seen on the market.
I think i'm going to get one of those laser thermometers to find just what the temp on the surface of this thing actually is.
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Basically out of the many smart phones i've had in the past. This is the first that I would say I would refuse to hold it up next to my ear due to the excessive heat. It's bad enough just holding it landscape to type on let alone sticking next to my head. It's really annoying considering how otherwise the interface and physical design of the device is better then anything else i've seen on the market.
I think i'm going to get one of those laser thermometers to find just what the temp on the surface of this thing actually is.
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It's hot on the back of the phone like other uses have said, not the front where your ear would be (unless it is which is an entirely different problem). Plus, when your phone reaches those temps through extraneous use (videos, games), you normally wouldn't be putting it near your ear anyways. I don't see this as a huge issue. If you do something taxing, much like a computer, expect the phone to work a little bit harder and hotter.
Oh and I doubt it's hot enough to fry an egg. You would smell the plastic melt first.
I've had once when my GNex was really hot. It was when I try factory reset many times since there was a bug that factory reset does nothing in a custom rom. But I didn't know at that time. I tried reset, flash rom, reset, etc. My GNes ended up really hot.
The only time my galaxy nexus got really hot was when I was switching kernels every 2-3 days, and one kernel (I think it was one of Franco's earlier builds) made it run hot even when I wasn't using the phone that intensely. Changed the kernel, and it's never been hot since (I play games, listen to music, browse web, push notifications, etc.) I don't do much video/HD streaming though...
I have been getting that too. Around the earpiece gets warm when only slightly used. Also, I can hear a faint buzzing humming sound from there. Open the back cover..can hear it from the camera too. Is something wrong with my phone
I was reading on the Note 8 the other day and started noticing that the left side of the tablet gets pretty warm/hot. Is it just me or does anyone else have this issue? The rest of the tablet remains cool- just the left side around the middle.
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I was reading on the Note 8 the other day and started noticing that the left side of the tablet gets pretty warm/hot. Is it just me or does anyone else have this issue? The rest of the tablet remains cool- just the left side around the middle.
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This issue already discussed before. It is quite normal for a device to get some heat. Anyway, I think there is a big difference between warm and hot. If your device really gets HOT, then it is a problem. My device gets warm as well as you described, but I wouldn't say it gets hot or uncomfortable to hold. I think the temperatures quite similar to my SGS3.
CPUs and GPUs put out heat. Batteries put out heat. The more intensive the activity (particularly watching video, gaming, internet use and GPS) the more heat will be generated. This is a fact with all tablets, and computers in general. I'd think it was strange if the device didn't get warm somewhere. Heat on the left side is completely normal, although not sure what component (CPU, battery, etc.) is located there.
Now its impossible to tell what OP means exactly by "warm" or "hot" as this are not quantitive in any way. It shouldn't get hot enough to be uncomfortable (or even hurt) to hold in any way. Excessive heat may be an indicator of a faulty battery or some other hardware defect. But usually not. And the device will shut itself down long before a temperature is reached, that will hurt anything (if that is what you are worried about).
There are ways for the system to tell you the temperature, but I think its only at one location (CPU?) which may not be the problem area. So measuring this way may have limted usefulness in real life.
That is the location of the cpu unit so I wouldn't worry about it unless it gets very disconcertingly hot.
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Im using the Sansung OEM cover. Holding it in portrait mode, mine gets "warm" on the left side near the edge... but only when its in my pocket and its in sleep mode and wifi is turned off. Kinda fels like my BlackBerry when its polling for a tower, it gets real warm. I have a N5110 wifi no radio so trying to determine why the warm up.
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Heat "problem"?
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I was reading on the Note 8 the other day and started noticing that the left side of the tablet gets pretty warm/hot. Is it just me or does anyone else have this issue? The rest of the tablet remains cool- just the left side around the middle.
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My Galaxy Note 8 has this problem. I installed an app which read the temperature and it reaches 40°C when I play video games. It has the power saving mode on. Is it normal? I'm worried about this
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My Galaxy Note 8 has this problem. I installed an app which read the temperature and it reaches 40°C when I play video games. It has the power saving mode on. Is it normal? I'm worried about this
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i've installed diagnosis app to check the temp, mine reaches ~40C(i think this is the battery temp) when i play also. so i think many of us is experiencing this *____*
Just with normal use the left side of my unit is getting annoyingly warm. Hopefully they can fix this with an update or something. I'm experiencing this on stock, anyone on custom software experiencing this too?
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Hey thanks for all your input guys. It's good to know I'm not the only one experiencing these problems. So far, I don't think it's bothering me to the point that I wish to call Samsung up for a replacement. It does get a bit warmer especially if I have the pen out and writing some notes. I do also understand it's more than likely that the cpu is located there but I've never had a warming problem w/ other smartphones and tablets I've had.
Either way, thanks for all the input!
I agree
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I do also understand it's more than likely that the cpu is located there but I've never had a warming problem w/ other smartphones and tablets I've had.!
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I agree with you, my father's got an iPad mini and the gadget doesn't present warming problems and battery life is much better. Do you think all Note 8 devices present the same problem? I'm thinking seriously of replace mine for a brand new Note 8.0 but if it presents the same problem, I'll be wasting my time...
I just bought mine yesterday and this is my first tablet. I like it mainly for the size and the s-pen. During my 1 day of use I immediately feels that it's heating up a little too fast around the left side (maybe this is where the battery is). Do you guys have the same problems.
Thanks.
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I just bought mine yesterday and this is my first tablet. I like it mainly for the size and the s-pen. During my 1 day of use I immediately feels that it's heating up a little too fast around the left side (maybe this is where the battery is). Do you guys have the same problems.
Thanks.
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I think that is where the CPU is. I'd install a terminal shell and run the "ps" command to see what process(es) are using CPU.
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I've installed Diagnosis App and it's showing ~40C when playing games... Is this normal temp for a tab?
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Is it normal for a device to heat up under heavy use? Clearly yes. Is it normal for a device to heat up while sitting there with nothing going on? Clearly no. Does your computer heat up when you use it? This is no different, except that there is no fan to help keep it cool. If you are not seeing any problems, reboots, crashes, or abnormal battery drain, why are you worried?
I think CPU problem.
I think the problem is can be CPU.
Please check your CPU
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I've installed Diagnosis App and it's showing ~40C when playing games... Is this normal temp for a tab?
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Totally normal. About 104F, that's not even close to hot. Don't even need to start getting worried until you hit 120 or 130F.
This is starting to be the question that gets asked on here every day or 2. Already about 4 other threads asking this exact question.
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Totally normal. About 104F, that's not even close to hot. Don't even need to start getting worried until you hit 120 or 130F.
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I agree with you but, Do you think it's normal when I start to use it and after 10 minutes of web browsing, facebook and downloading apps it increases its Temperature level around 10°C? This is my first tablet and I'm worried about that. I compare the temperature with my Razr i and their behaviors are similar but, comparing with a Sony Tablet S it reaches 30°C doing the same processes. I hope you can help me, I just made a phone call to the shop where I bought it for a device replacement, but it wouldn't have any case if all Note 8 devices present the same problem.
Thank you very much!
This is now my second 8.0 and I really feel that this runs much cooler temperatures. Writing notes for several hours or casual playing I felt the first Note 8.0 also heat up a bit too much (still comfortable to hold) from the left side whereas this second runs nicely without heating up. Also what I noticed yesterday was the while charging the chargers was just warm when before with the first device it was actually getting hot.
I am thinking to buy the phone but I saw some posts there are some heat issues. So what is the problem besides the phone getting too hot? Is it shuting down when it gets too hot or get really laggy? Is there any other problem when heated except it gets really hot?
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I am thinking to buy the phone but I saw some posts there are some heat issues. So what is the problem besides the phone getting too hot? Is it shuting down when it gets too hot or get really laggy? Is there any other problem when heated except it gets really hot?
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I haven't experienced any heat issues. I have yet to feel my g3 get warm Tbh.
Others (not sure which model) have reported issues with heat, to the point that it causes the device to throttle the brightness down. Again haven't experienced this on my at&t model.
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I haven't experienced any heat issues. I have yet to feel my g3 get warm Tbh.
Others (not sure which model) have reported issues with heat, to the point that it causes the device to throttle the brightness down. Again haven't experienced this on my at&t model.
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Thanks for the reply, someone with issues ?
Same here not felt it get warm even watching video.
When the phone gets hot several things happen.
1) The CPU is clocked down to help lower heat
2) Brightness is capped to help lower heat
3) If the phone continues to get too hot (usually when its already hot and you then start to play a really intense game, or benchmark the phone may shut itself down.
People complained a lot with the Korean model but I haven't seen anyone with a US model complain. Maybe the type of person that waits is less likely to be a phone gamer? They may have actually tweaked it so it doesn't activate as quickly or harshly. I do know some people disabled it on the Korean model. I haven't heard of anything bad happening but those few people may have felt dumb if it destroyed their phone and not posted that it did...
I have no heating problem with my lg g3 international D855 16gb model, even during quadrant test or playing games.
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Define an actual temperature for hot.
I disabled the thermal protection on my AT&T version and yes, I've felt it get quite hot while playing Final Fantasy 6. The heat radiated mainly through the metal power button but the entire top half of the device got pretty hot. Didn't bother me all that much tho, as I've had other devices get hot like that in the past.
I use exposed app CPU temp my g3 sits at about 30c and 45c which is normal temps and about 50ish whith thermal protection on disabled.
what heat issue
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I use exposed app CPU temp my g3 sits at about 30c and 45c which is normal temps and about 50ish whith thermal protection on disabled.
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Do we have any official documentation from Qualcomm on how hot the cpu can safely be?
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Do we have any official documentation from Qualcomm on how hot the cpu can safely be?
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Not sure it must be out there somewhere I am sure.
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I disabled the thermal protection on my AT&T version and yes, I've felt it get quite hot while playing Final Fantasy 6. The heat radiated mainly through the metal power button but the entire top half of the device got pretty hot. Didn't bother me all that much tho, as I've had other devices get hot like that in the past.
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My girlfriend picked this up yesterday and this is happening to her G3. Not playing games though, just browsing the internet/reading an article. It makes no sense to me. How can you take control over that? She doesn't want to root the phone.
But yeah, just reading something or even looking at Facebook, the phone gets way too hot.
I picked up the Verizon version yesterday. It's gotten pretty warm around the power button a few times for me also. Typically not bad or what I would consider unusual with one or two exceptions.
My G3 (UK) go very very hot yesterday when I was on the train playing a graphically intensive game.
It shut itself down and then refused to turn on again. Ever.
I tried everything all night but no joy. I got a replacement handset today.
I'm sure it was because of the overheating that the phone malfunctioned. Without knowing exactly what has happened to it the timing is too coincidental for it to be random hardware failure. It was SUPER hot!
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My G3 (UK) go very very hot yesterday when I was on the train playing a graphically intensive game.
It shut itself down and then refused to turn on again. Ever.
I tried everything all night but no joy. I got a replacement handset today.
I'm sure it was because of the overheating that the phone malfunctioned. Without knowing exactly what has happened to it the timing is too coincidental for it to be random hardware failure. It was SUPER hot!
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This is strange. Does the kernel not shut the phone down before it "fries" the SOC?,unless the throttling temps are too high? Wonder if this is linked to the display flickering problem myself and another poster had.
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This is strange. Does the kernel not shut the phone down before it "fries" the SOC?,unless the throttling temps are too high? Wonder if this is linked to the display flickering problem myself and another poster had.
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Funny you mention display flickering. I had that about 2 weeks ago. The display started flickering really badly, like nothing I've ever seen on any Android device, and I needed to pull the battery to reset. It didn't boot straight away either, it had to cool down a bit.
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this.
all phones get warm if you are on it for an extended period of time, surfing (using data), gaming etc etc screen on for long periods of time. those saying they can game and not have heat are lying to you. phone gets warm when screen is on for extended period of time and by phone I mean any phone
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Funny you mention display flickering. I had that about 2 weeks ago. The display started flickering really badly, like nothing I've ever seen on any Android device, and I needed to pull the battery to reset. It didn't boot straight away either, it had to cool down a bit.
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Yeah, i had a flickering display which didnt go away.I returned that phone. Another poster yesterday had the same issue.Im wondering if the GPU is frying itself? Although the GPU does throttle as well as the CPU. Running Antutu I would get 60+deg C maybe playing a game for an extended period of time for example is causing damage? Just a theory.
Anyone ever notice their phone getting hot and shutting down features or even turning off? I know this might be kinda extreme... My 6 pro has been shutting down all sorts of things just to cool the phone and eventually shutting off. This has been happening while I'm in a sauna after working out with the lowest brightness on even. But my Note 10 plus never even mentioned anything to me ever even with full brightness. Thanks for the help
It happened to me once with a Galaxy S7 but it was in a heatwave that said I read on forums that several users complained about an overheating problem on the pixel 6.
As the chip is made in partnership with Samsung and it is well known that exynos chips overheat other than waiting for software upgrades or sending it back there is nothing that can be done.
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My 6 pro has been shutting down [...] while I'm in a sauna.
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But my Note 10 plus never even mentioned anything to me ever even with full brightness. Thanks for the help
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Interesting that your Note 10 Plus works in a sauna-environment. I would definitely call that an extreme situation where no phones needs to properly work, after all we are talking about an ambient temperature of ~ 65°C to 90°C, that's much hotter than even a desert. Most commercial products only operate up until 70° Celsius, Industrial usually up to 85°, Military ones even higher.
Personally I would never/have never taken my phone inside a sauna out of fear it might get damaged, after all it's a thousand dollar product. Treating it with care and caution is usually a wise choice, if longevity is of any concern.
Most smartphone (and desktop) processors can only take about ~100 Degrees Celsius (internal, chip temperature), before they throttle down into the abyss and try to cool down (to prevent permanent damage). But if they are in a sauna... there is no cooling down, lol. Afterall they lack a dedicated fan. As an example: It's a situation comparable with your ambient room temperature in the summer - if you have 30° Celsius in your room, but outside it's 40°, your room of course will not cool down, but heat up even more. ESPECIALLY not if you have several heaters on (= processor, display, et cetera).
That's why it's quite the achievement of your Note 10 to properly function in that kind of situation, that seems like a well-balanced phone in terms of heat/cooling. Props to Samsung in that case.
According to several reports in this forum, Tensor can get quite toasty, even in a normal environment. It shutting down in a sauna does not surprise me. There's probably nothing that you can do here, expect switch the phone or hope for a Google firmware update that lowers the coreclock.
I haven't had any overheating. I think the very first day when I was setting up the phone and restoring from my cloud backup it got a little warm, but mine hasn't overheated at all or shut down anything. I am probably not pushing the envelope of what any phone could handle, however.
Haven't witnessed any overheating on my unit.
Never had this happen on any of my recent phones including my Note 10 plus and my buddy has a new 20 Samsung as well.. No problems for them or anyone else with their iphones and a few others while they are in sauna as well.. even my samsung ear buds murder this thing lol
NOTE TO ALL POTENTIAL 6 OR 6P BUYERS: this is not a common phenomenon. Just want to put that out there.
I use GSAM bettery monitor (with the ADB mods) and it works great to watch the temp. Once or maybe twice it got warm (107F) when I was backing up the entire unit to my NAS (or vice versa). Ever since it gets warmer when I use it more, and then cooler when I don't.
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Anyone ever notice their phone getting hot and shutting down features or even turning off? I know this might be kinda extreme... My 6 pro has been shutting down all sorts of things just to cool the phone and eventually shutting off. This has been happening while I'm in a sauna after working out with the lowest brightness on even. But my Note 10 plus never even mentioned anything to me ever even with full brightness. Thanks for the help
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I think you answered your own question buddy... The temperature in the sauna ranges typically between 60oC to 95oC. Your Pixel phone is designed to operate up to 45oC at extreme situations.
I'm afraid the problem lies with the owner in your case, not the device itself.
A Sauna?! A SAUNA?? Did I read that right? I .... I .... I just don't understand. And when my sister "washes" her Galaxy S20 under the tap, the first thing she says: "Samsung says it's OK! The phone is Waterproof and Heat Proof and Mud Proof!" ... ok the last two things are false but every galaxy owner I've come across thinks their phone can be used in a shower, hmmm....
Again... I knew I would catch some crap for posting this.. but I'm trying to figure out why most and yes I said most phones do not have a problem including my old note 10+ and also my other friends phones and random people as well..
My Note would be full brightness and wouldn't even really feel hot. Warm yes and it would continue to work just perfect.. I even tried to put my 6 pro in battery saver mode which shuts down cores and it still could not last 5 mins at the lowest brightness.. My Note in performance mode and full brightness would last the full 25+ minutes I would be in there.
Looking for advice or answers. I've stated comparisons with the same scenarios with two completely different phones of my own along with others. One works great and another does not..