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I want to take my XDA IIs apart to see if it's possible to;
1) tighten up the keyboard slider mechanism.
2) make the 'stops' that hold the screen in the open position a little stronger. ie screen will not no easilly drop onto my thumbs while typing in bed.
Before I start I thought I'd open the idea up to the forum....Any advice please ?
There seem to be two sets of screws to play with, two T6? on the sides and two smaller screws on the back of the screen ( when opened ) which seem smaller. There are also three screws in the battery bay which I think are not related.
I'll take a few photos while I'm inside and post.
Jeff
That would be really useful as i am thinking of doing the same, mine is starting to loosen (tho o2 are being very nice to me at the moment and offering me a new one!)
dismantled my XDA IIs
ok the phone has been dismantled. You can see a few pics at the following URL.
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/1081010
They will load full size if you click on them a few times.
I will update the pics later with some text. Some initial observations.
1) The slider 'rail' system is spot/heat welded to the phone body - pict 2291 - does leave alot of room for adjustment.
2) The mic is actually quite large - if the mic hole in the casing was larger I think the people-ask-me-to-speak-louder problem would be improved.
3) The clip that holds the phone in the open/closed position is rubbish - pict 2295 - I would say that if this clip was stiffer the slider mechanism would function much better.
sorry. point 1 should read...
1) The slider 'rail' system is spot/heat welded to the phone body - pict 2291 - does NOT leave alot of room for adjustment.
Hi, if it's not too much trouble, could you enlarge the part where the volume slider is? Mine don't seems to have any latch where the silver button can catch onto (i.e when i fixed back the casing, the button is very loose and unable to adjust the volume no matter how much i slide it up or down). TIA!
Hi - if you click on the thumbnail you get a slightly larger version, if you then click on this you get a new browser windows which gives you the full 4 Megapixel size of 2304 x 1704 pixels which gives alot of detail. These are all the ( in focus ) pictures that I have. The phone has now been put back together.
When I click on a thumbnail I get a medium-sized image, but clicking on that does nothing. Is there another way for us to get the fullsize images?
Thanks!
Replace the screen
Now the IIs is open, have you considered replacing the screen with an ordinary II? Do the connectors look the same?
Ive been reading, and can now observe for myself that the IIs screen is more 'yellow' than the II.
Thoughts?
sorry about the delay. Download the full size pics here
www.perfectmotion.co.uk/xda2s.zip
They're 4.5Mb !
No plans to swap the screen. Quite happy with mine.
Kudos for your bravery! Please post your solution to tightening the slider. You will undoubtedly ascend to PPC demi-god status if you find a way.Excellent work! Keep us updated please.
Cheers!
the pics in the zipped are corrupted..... its not even 4.5mb... something is wrong with the file pls upload the files again thank you so much... after looking at the bigger pics then i will be able to see if the LCD can be replace....
wertert,
Yes, zip file is only 1.5 KB... please repost.
When you took the device apart, did you notice where the WiFi antenna was and if it could possibly be relocated? A lot of people are complaining about the WiFi reception in the Blue Angel and, chances are, it's due to the antenna design/placement/location.
Thanks!
sorry about that.....I've tried uploading again but I seem to get a problem. Even uploading the raw jpg files is failing. I think my web site allocation is full up ! Does anyone have an FTP site I could put these picture on ?
pics
ps - I can also email them over. Can you get an address to me ?
sorry about the delay. Uploaded to another site. You should be able to get them from;
http://www.eyesociety.co.uk/xda2s/xda2s.zip
or
http://www.eyesociety.co.uk/xda2s
thanks for opening up the PDA2K for us...
1) So how did you finally fixed the loose keyboard????
2) Also, can it be that people that got their keyboard too loosed
used a PDA2K case such as the PEIL FRAMA one?
That case has a large and rather thick plastic that covers the
keyboad and goes between the keyboard and the body, it seems like it may case the keyboard to be loosed after sometime.
Thanks
Re: dismantled my XDA IIs
2) The mic is actually quite large - if the mic hole in the casing was larger I think the people-ask-me-to-speak-louder problem would be improved.
Did you make any modifications to the phone to improve the ability of the mic to pick up your voice?
Krusell case loosened keyb in 1.5 months
Yes sorci's right! The gap increased since I got my i-mate into such a case with a thick plastic cover over the keys. Everyday i notice it incresing. Loox like paranoia Well, what to do with the problem? Living in Russia I got no hopes for friendly product support. Have to solve it by means of a screwdriver and a hammer. Wish me luck, colleagues.
Krusell case loosened keyb in 1.5 months
Yes sorci's right! The gap increased since I got my i-mate into such a case with a thick plastic cover over the keys. Everyday i notice it incresing. Loox like paranoia Well, what to do with the problem? Living in Russia I got no hopes for friendly product support. Have to solve it by means of a screwdriver and a hammer. Wish me luck, colleagues.
My 2K internal pictures
I fixed my slider problem i have posted some pictures in 5 megapixel quality for clarity.unclip white plastic clips from bottom of slider plate and then Bend sides of slider plate out slightly,refit slider plate and plastic stop clips and you get smooth steady reistance all the way with no more gaps....ENJOY
:? Boy do I feel dumb.
I've been using a 3-1 stylus (from Proporta) on my M2K and today the plastic "tip" got stuck in the unit's slot! Peering down the slot using a desk-lamp I can see the tip and it's off-centre to the actual axis of the hole. It looks like the hole for the stylus is NOT a tube - but is instead merely an opening into the unit. (thinking about it - I'd noticed that the stylus tip was "awkward" to fit into the slot a couple of times - obviously it had been getting caught in the body-work).
Stupidly I've further compounded my troubles by attempting to fineagle (technical term.. ) the tip out by using a biro refill - and the tip of the biro refill got stuck in the stylus tip!!! AAARGH! :shock:
Looks like I'll need to dismantle the entire bloody unit to get this thing out - so... how do I do it, what do I need, and where can I obtain the tools??
DOH!!!!
Damm, your having one of those day's
Just as a side note.
Don’t buy or use 3 in 1 stylus, they will break the clamp in the device holding the stylus in place so the stylus gets so loose that it will slide out and in without any resistance
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
nomadman said:
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
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somehow I doubt Orange will be terribly impressed with what's hapened!!!
Anyone know how much it would cost to have the unit dismantled by a repair workshop (and thus maintain the warranty)? And is there such a place in central London?
Why not try the finest tad (more technical phraseology) of super glue on the end of your 3 in 1, push in hole, wait 1 minute and pull out. It might just work and surely would have done without that biro bit. Got to be worth a try - but be frugal with the glue !
By the way, I've used a 3 in 1 form Proporta for 3 months now and the old stylus fits and is retained just the same as its always has done (just tried it).
Stylus.
Hmmm I dont remember where i bought mine, but this is the second time i need to get the 9090 to service.
There is no resistense at all, it just slide in and out by it self
They are going right to the trashbin now.
Do you have a link to where you got yours??
Bottom stylus is the original.
Much more soft in the area where the clamp goes in
Mine came from here;
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=933&t_mode=des
But having looked at your photograph, and had a good look at my stylii, the 'shoulder' is different on my original stylus and that from Proporta - just as your picky shows. Still haven't had a problem though - YET.
Don't like it that you have to take of the tip to use the pen as reset tool
The ones i got are working very good, but I just cant use them any more since they destroy the clamp.
Here's one more pic.
I don't. I just use the tip of the stylus for re-set.
If you pull out the stylus and look into the hole in the BA, does it look like white plastic clamps in your BA.
I can se 2 white plastic clamps in mine.
Yes - just the same !
Since we both have plastic clamps, my stylus clamp shoulders must be the reason for the defect in the BA.
Well then I can only say to anybody reading this thread, don't buy 3 in 1 stylus that look like the ones in the pictures :!: :!:
TIP: Use a software to reset the PPC. I use CLaunch on normal reset. During lockups, I have to use the stylus. But that's only 1out of 10 resets.
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
nomadman - sir, sorry this is out of the topic.... i just noticed your ROM version... where did you get the ROM update for our XDA IIs?
Thanks!
YAY! Fixed it last night.
1 T6 driver and 1 small flat bladed screwdriver were all the tools necessary.
Just removed the 2 silver screws, and 3 of the black ones (the "Void" sticker was untouched) and the rear cover was loose enough to allow the very flat blade of the screwdriver in just far enough to dislodge the "item" and it just dropped out.
reassembly was easy and the only shock I got was when I turned the unit back on the emergency battery was nearly dead!! I'd only had the main battery off the unit for 5 minutes!!!! Not terribly impressed by that I have to say.
Hi guys, just wondering if any users out there are having the same problems as me. ive had my Blue Angel now for a good 6 months and im very happy with it appart from it doesnt ring which is very very annoying :twisted: anyone know a fix for this?
But main reason for this post is; has anyone got the same problem that the holder for the stylus has become used and now doesnt hold the stylus in place anymore? i remember there being a click when pushing the stylus in. but now it just falls out when i tip the PDA upside down.
Anyone whos opened up a BA can you give any details on how the holder works? can it be modded so that it grips the stylus again? im one for opening up electrinics and playing with them but since i use this for alot of my work i cant risk it.
many thanks for any replies.
DJUPLIFT
I have the same issues. I tried to take mine apart but could not seem to separate the back side of the case. I removed 3 screws from behind the battery, and one from either side of the device. I too would like any input.
It totally blows... cos i always end up taking the phone out of my pocket and sometimes i dont hear the stylus drop. ive already lost two like this... it might end up being more expensive to just keep buying stylus than to open the BA and screw it up... All in all my ones been opened already :shock:
i dropped it on concrete and somehow the touchscreen stopped working although the screen was intact. O2 replaced it with a brand new one for diddly sqwat!! FANTASTIC!!!
i might just take it appart next weekend and have a little look inside see if there is a way to access this comparment and maybe doing a little DIY style modding!
if i come up with any conclusions ill post them with some pics of course!
DJUPLIFT
a friend of mine took his apart and there does not appear to be a way to tighten the stylus. He said it was just a small plastic protusion that held it in place. Once it wears, you are out of luck. Have not seen this myself, but thats what he tells me..
Regards
chris
that's correct, it's just a plastic clip protruding to grab the gap on the stylus. if it's broken, you may just have to put a tape or sticker around the stylus to make it tighter.
there are 4 screws (one under the void sticker) where the battery goes. i just took mine apart to tighten slider. it's back to sliding smoothly & tight, however, there's still a noticeable gap (between the screen plate & keyboard plate).
anyone knows how to eliminate this gap (about 2mm)?
Try this solution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15120&highlight=loose+stylus
Cheers
Frankman
I use 1 layer of tape around the stylus. spanning the groove in the stylus. This seems to make it a good bit tighter, but does not fix the problem entirely. Hope that helps..
Regards
Chris
i dont like the idea of having tape on my stylus... looks well tacky going into a metting with clients!!
so i took some black insulation tape and made small squares with an art blade and stuck them to the inner edge of the holder... now it sits there nice and tight like a school girl
S O R T E D!!!!
cheers for the help guys/gals.... if any....
An idiot friend of mine put a blade of grass in the stylus holder and now it wont come out. How do I fish it out? The good thing is, my stylus doesn't slide out so easily anymore.
I have also encountered this problem(i got my BA 6 months till now), however it is not that loose as what ur described. at lease it never drop out when i was outside. (after reading this i become worry about it)
I used to own a IPAQ 5550, when i got my BA, i thought the quality of the stylus is better than ipaq's plastic stylus(should have some heavy stuff insde..), i like the BA's metalic stylus.
Now i found that the IPAQ plastic stylus + the spring-like system inside the whole is much better...i want to have one BA + the metalic stylus + the spring-like system to hold the stylus....
if some day i am that unlucky to lost my BA's stylus i will try to use the 3-in-one PDA pen... once it lost one, i may lost another... i wont use normal stylus if it happened.
DJUPLIFT wrote[/quote]
i dont like the idea of having tape on my stylus... looks well tacky going into a metting with clients!!
You have to use that "invisable" tape and only the keyboard and buttons if its a Director or above! :lol:
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Loose stylus - Stylus falls out
This has worked for me. It's been 5 months, and it still works.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-Reassemble your BA.
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade.
Good Luck,
N2O2
Yet again we're having to come up with dodgy (although well thought out) solutions to HTC's shoddy design flaws. My BA is about 3 - 4 months old and its up to this already. I keep finding my stylus on the floor.
Thing is, all these solutions void the warranty and I have to take mine back soon (See the Xray thread ) and am hoping for a replacement on insurance.
The P800 and XDA2 had this problem as well, but surprisingly I have NEVER lost a single stylus in my life! I always just happen to find them again. One time I found my P800 stylus 2 days later in the street between my college and my flat :S
Re: Loose stylus - Stylus falls out
N2O2 said:
This has worked for me. It's been 5 months, and it still works.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-Reassemble your BA.
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade.
Good Luck,
N2O2
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Great idea! It's perfect!
THANK YOU N2O2
N2O2
You just made the wiki hall of fame
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Sty_stopper
Any Kentucky Fried Chícken fans out there?
After losing 5 styli - not only because they were loose in the holder (one went on the motorcycle after I missed the holder hole and then let it go) I came up with this junky solution.
The KFC corn cob holders are a good diameter (had to add a thin layer of tape) and just long enough to be modifiable to add a knureld part at upper end. At at least one of their restaurants I found them outside of the front counter and was able to obtain a few cheap spare emergency styli
Oh well.
:lol: :lol: HAHAHAHAHA You are grade man .....
Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.
Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.
Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.
I recently dismantled my BA to work on the LCD. I originally thought it would be necessary to disconnect the keyboard ribbon from the main board, so I removed the tape and black clip from the surface mount connector. However, it turned out I could leave the ribbon in place, so I didn't remove it.
After reassembly, only a few of the keyboard keys now work, and the blue LEDs no longer work at all.
I was careful not to force or twist the ribbon at all as I worked, so I don't think it's damaged, but I haven't been able to make the black clip go back on properly. I suspect this is the problem. I have tried to reseat the clip but without success and the keyboard is still the same.
Can someone please explain the role of this black clip and tape, and their relevance to the electrical connection. And can anyone direct me to a 1000x magnified picture of how the clip is supposed to fit!
Thanks in advance...
Hi there,
I had a similar problem when dissasembling one of my PPC6600 phones. The ribbon is quite dellicate, and I wound up ripping the outer conductor (it is the thicker one, and it happens to power the backlight LED's). Needless to say, I had to use a very fine tip soldering iron and some hair-fine wire to fix the mess. When I got my hands on a scrap one from EBAY (for like, 75 bucks because the ESN was locked out), I pulled the keyboard from it and replaced my hack.
Also, I have added to the WIKI a procedure to take apart the BA. I think you can find that HERE -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=DIS_BA_PICS
Check out the one pic that is big that shows you how to flip up the clip.
The connector you are talking about has a little black (brown?) clip that flips up 90 degrees to allow the ribbon to come out. If you didn't flip it up, you might have been able to remove the ribbon, but tough luck getting it back in. You can stick your fingernail in there where the ribbon goes, and lift up on the clip. It should pop up ad remain connected quite easily. Also, when you re-insert the ribbon, you want to make sure that the two protruding tabs on the ribbon 'seat' fully against the connector before you push the clip back down onto the ribbon.
Have fun!
When I did the work I had already seen your exellent pics (thanks ) and my black clip came right off when I lifted it. So my problem is getting the black clip back on, so that it can be flipped up and down normally again. At no time did I try to remove the ribbon so I don't think it's damaged - but I'm wondering if the black clip needs to go back properly before the electrical connection is good again.
PS to anyone dismantling BA - remember to remove both the SIM and the SD card/blank, as these both jam the cover and prevent removal - shame if someone missed this and snapped something . (I tried to add this info to the page with pics but the Edit button wouldn't let me do it - gives a "page not found" error.)
Hi again,
My phone doesn't have a SIM card (is this a European thing or are there some carriers in USA that use SIM cards?)
Anyhow, I think I remember dealing with connectors like these before and having that clip pop off. There are two little tabs on the clip that have little round buttons on each side of the clip tabs, and these buttons prodtrude off the sides of the clip. They match a slot on the connector part that is surface mounted to your mainboard. So, you have to align the clip properly so that these protruding bumps 'pop' back into the white housing on both sides. Now, if these tabs broke off.... then I guess you're outa luck, unless I guess you find some very thin plastic that you can shove in on-top of the ribbon (underneath the part of the housing where the clip SHOULD have gone), so that it pushes the exposed conductors of the ribbon down onto the connector.
Hope this helps!
Many thanks, this helps a lot by confirming (a) how the clip fits and (b) its role in the electrical connection. This information is much appreciated as it gives me a fighting chance when I next have a go at fixing the thing!
How do you get by without SIMs? Does that mean a phone is forever tied to the one provider and phone number?
yodafreak said:
My phone doesn't have a SIM card (is this a European thing or are there some carriers in USA that use SIM cards?)
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It's a GSM thing. GSM phones (like the PDA2K or SX66) use SIM cards, CDMA phones (like the PPC6600) don't.
Hello there!
I bought my xperia m 10 days ago, and i am pleased so far, except for one thing..
I noticed yesterday that the removable cover has started creaking, especially on the side with no buttons where the usb port is.
Has anyone else noticed that with their device? Is this something that inevitably happens after a while, or should i try to get it replaced because of a defect?
Yes, it started happening a few days after I bought or... If it happens to others too, I'll assume it's inevitable
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Hmm I see..
Well I thought I'd ask because if it is something that is going to happen anyway, i will not bother taking it to the store.
They will have to send the phone to the service center and all that fuss just to replace the back cover, so it is not worth it.
If someone else can also confirm that this is the case with their phone I will be assured.
My phone also makes noises when pushed, most at top right and bottom left corners.
Well I take it there is nothing I can do about it then, so no point in returning it, I will have to live with it...
It is a shame though, because other than that the phone is outstanding in terms of value, I see no reason to spend any more that what I spent on this. It hits the sweet spot for me in the price/performance scale.
Has anyone found any solution to this problem?
I have tried putting little pieces of paper at the hotspots (bottom left and below the usb port in my case) but I had little success...
I am also curious to hear reports from others, maybe a silicon case can lessen the issue...
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Has anyone found any solution to this problem?
I have tried putting little pieces of paper at the hotspots (bottom left and below the usb port in my case) but I had little success...
I am also curious to hear reports from others, maybe a silicon case can lessen the issue...
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I have silicone case, it is the same. I am thinking about using thin layer of hotglue. It can be peeled of easily.
After some experimenting I found that putting a small piece of paper (3mm tall and about 3cm long) between the phone and the cover eliminated the major creaks that where in the lower-middle left side of my phone. I just folded a piece of printer paper in two and cut it to the above dimensions. If you try it make sure to put it in a way that does not block the small plastic clips that clip on the phone.