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PDA2k Loose Stylus

Folks:
My PDA2k stylus has become too loose and I am starting to drop it everywhere: my pockets, my car, etc. In all likelihood, if I don't find a solution pronto, I'll be using my fingers because of a lost stylus.
Is anyone out there having this problem? How do you deal with it?
Thanks in advance.
Fernando

my XDA2s is getting worse, its 2 months old and gets used, give it another month and i be needing to get a big big box of replacement stylus's

Stylus problem? no problem.
Hey guys!
I'd just leave the regular stylus in my MDAIII and I went and got these check it out : http://www.truetip.com
They have all kind of stylus stuff that may can work out for you. I bought a few :wink: of each and I hardly every use the one in my unit. I hope this helps, Take care fellas! :wink:

I've just encountered this problem and went the "Classy" way with my solution.
Magic tape wraped twice around the top of the stylus. Fingers crossed I'll have no more retracing my steps fun looking for a missing stylus. :lol:

hmmmn just put (stick) small neoprene inside the hole (opening)....
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thanks,
jojo

Or just buy some more styluses i bought 3 from here and recieved the item next day. I'm also going to buy an xda2s handsfree from him as i have lost that 2.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZairportinfo

expansys.com has a lot of different kinds of stylus for PDA2K or similar. there are regular and with pen included.
expansys has offices in diferents countries. check yours.
Tano

Leave it in for service, it's the only way that HTC will understand that they need to go up some notches on the Hardware quality.
There is no way I'm taping anything on a 1.000,-$ unit
Mine is headding for service once more in the near future.

tano said:
expansys.com has a lot of different kinds of stylus for PDA2K or similar. there are regular and with pen included.
expansys has offices in diferents countries. check yours.
Tano
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these ones are original styluses
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZairportinfo

There is no way I'm taping anything on a 1.000,-$ unit
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Good point. This thing cost more than my old car. Just whilt we're on the topic of hardware that was clearly not tested thoroughly before it as marketed, does anyone else's sliding mechanism scratch the keyboard?

yep on the left hand side. and i hardly ever use the keyboard so its not down to wear and tear.
to be honest the xda2s does feel cheap when its on your hand.

scratch on the left side of keyboard... hardly used the keyboard though...
and a gap between the lcd and battery slider on the right hand side...

I fixed mine with a single layer of tape around the top of the stylus. Now just enough grip to hold on.
rich

Mine went back to the O2 service centre on Sunday! The slider was never right from the day I got it (this one was my second) and I lost a stylus the other day. The sliding keyboard was so far away from the chassis I could see daylight through it!
I also had the "wear" makes on BOTH sides of the keyboard and the Sales assistant said that they ALWAYS get those on every unit they get back, which I'm told is quite a few!
I'm waiting on a response from them as I suspect as before, they will just give me a brand new one. Anyway, I'm thinking of Ebaying the XDAIIs and getting myself an Orange c550/Qtek 8200 (HTC Robbie) Smartphone as I'm not impressed with the build quality compared to the XDAII/IIi!
We'll see!
Dom

Loose stylus - Stylus falls out
I dropped my BA 5 meters onto a concrete floor. It landed on the corner and bent the corner in. I just picked it up and it still worked. I use it in a industrial enviroment so it looks ugly, but always works. My old Ipaqs couldn't handle a one meter fall onto carpet without cracking the screen.
Oh yeah! Here's the fix to the original problem on this thread. It's really a easy fix. It's been 5 months since I lost a stylus.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-If your corner is bent straighten it now(see above)
-Reassemble BA
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade!
Good Luck,
N2O2

The Low-Tech Way
I crammed a little wad of paper into the area between the case and the little plastic spring. Works like a charm!

HELP ME!! Stylus end is stuck!

:? Boy do I feel dumb.
I've been using a 3-1 stylus (from Proporta) on my M2K and today the plastic "tip" got stuck in the unit's slot! Peering down the slot using a desk-lamp I can see the tip and it's off-centre to the actual axis of the hole. It looks like the hole for the stylus is NOT a tube - but is instead merely an opening into the unit. (thinking about it - I'd noticed that the stylus tip was "awkward" to fit into the slot a couple of times - obviously it had been getting caught in the body-work).
Stupidly I've further compounded my troubles by attempting to fineagle (technical term.. ) the tip out by using a biro refill - and the tip of the biro refill got stuck in the stylus tip!!! AAARGH! :shock:
Looks like I'll need to dismantle the entire bloody unit to get this thing out - so... how do I do it, what do I need, and where can I obtain the tools??
DOH!!!!

Damm, your having one of those day's
Just as a side note.
Don’t buy or use 3 in 1 stylus, they will break the clamp in the device holding the stylus in place so the stylus gets so loose that it will slide out and in without any resistance

Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!

nomadman said:
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
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somehow I doubt Orange will be terribly impressed with what's hapened!!!
Anyone know how much it would cost to have the unit dismantled by a repair workshop (and thus maintain the warranty)? And is there such a place in central London?

Why not try the finest tad (more technical phraseology) of super glue on the end of your 3 in 1, push in hole, wait 1 minute and pull out. It might just work and surely would have done without that biro bit. Got to be worth a try - but be frugal with the glue !
By the way, I've used a 3 in 1 form Proporta for 3 months now and the old stylus fits and is retained just the same as its always has done (just tried it).

Stylus.
Hmmm I dont remember where i bought mine, but this is the second time i need to get the 9090 to service.
There is no resistense at all, it just slide in and out by it self
They are going right to the trashbin now.
Do you have a link to where you got yours??
Bottom stylus is the original.
Much more soft in the area where the clamp goes in

Mine came from here;
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=933&t_mode=des
But having looked at your photograph, and had a good look at my stylii, the 'shoulder' is different on my original stylus and that from Proporta - just as your picky shows. Still haven't had a problem though - YET.

Don't like it that you have to take of the tip to use the pen as reset tool
The ones i got are working very good, but I just cant use them any more since they destroy the clamp.
Here's one more pic.

I don't. I just use the tip of the stylus for re-set.

If you pull out the stylus and look into the hole in the BA, does it look like white plastic clamps in your BA.
I can se 2 white plastic clamps in mine.

Yes - just the same !

Since we both have plastic clamps, my stylus clamp shoulders must be the reason for the defect in the BA.
Well then I can only say to anybody reading this thread, don't buy 3 in 1 stylus that look like the ones in the pictures :!: :!:

TIP: Use a software to reset the PPC. I use CLaunch on normal reset. During lockups, I have to use the stylus. But that's only 1out of 10 resets.
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html

nomadman - sir, sorry this is out of the topic.... i just noticed your ROM version... where did you get the ROM update for our XDA IIs?
Thanks!

YAY! Fixed it last night.
1 T6 driver and 1 small flat bladed screwdriver were all the tools necessary.
Just removed the 2 silver screws, and 3 of the black ones (the "Void" sticker was untouched) and the rear cover was loose enough to allow the very flat blade of the screwdriver in just far enough to dislodge the "item" and it just dropped out.
reassembly was easy and the only shock I got was when I turned the unit back on the emergency battery was nearly dead!! I'd only had the main battery off the unit for 5 minutes!!!! Not terribly impressed by that I have to say.

Loose Keyboard? How to Fix?

Anyone know how to tighten the slider mechanism for the keyboard?
My XDA IIs is really loose, if I hold the XDA upright and slide the keyboard
out it wil slide back down on its own.
Need to tighten this somehow.
Anyone?
Thanks
G

Thought I'd bump this one up as I to am having the same issue, anyone any ideas?
Paul

Same problem here, I took a piece of felt and attatched it right under the space bar it helped some would like a better solution if anyone has found one.

Only ONE SOLUTION = SEND IT BACK!
I've sent my second one back last week. If you look at a thread a few months ago regarding pictures of the inside, you can see that there are NO SCREWS in relation to the tightening of the slider. It's just metal sliding on metal so once it's worn, it's worn for good. With my typical usage these devices seem to have a life of about 4 months before I have to send them back. I'm waiting on number 3 now...
Hope this helps!
Dom

xdadom said:
Only ONE SOLUTION = SEND IT BACK!
I've sent my second one back last week. If you look at a thread a few months ago regarding pictures of the inside, you can see that there are NO SCREWS in relation to the tightening of the slider. It's just metal sliding on metal so once it's worn, it's worn for good. With my typical usage these devices seem to have a life of about 4 months before I have to send them back. I'm waiting on number 3 now...
Hope this helps!
Dom
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You mean they replace the whole unit? or just the metal thing?
I had mine a couple of weeks now, and when I got the unit, the keyboard was tight as a V..... but now, i can push it out with no effort, good thing its protected in a metal case.

Xda Repair
I sent mine back today for both a loose keyboard and the fact that pressing one button seems to activate like 2 or 3 others.
My keyboard became too loose to stay up very soon after I first got the unit. I did however spill coke all over it and after that the screen stayed up perfectly for months
Probably not a recommendable solution though.
Lewis

How to fix the issue
You need to get a coffee can and then put the blue angel device in it. Fill it up with gas and light it afire. Now stop complaining and go buy a alpine. Blue Angel devices where the worst device HTC has ever released.
Mike

I fixed mine
The red color surrounds the responsible area of the mechanism slider.
So you just need tape and rubber matirial about 1mm thickness or use the same tape used on the housing "it's surrounded in yellow ", attach it from the back to force the cliper...
You can test the slider b4 closing the housing cover..
Do this at your own risk!!!
Good luck

the problem now is... how to open xda IIs ??
i already open from back side, but i can't separate the keyboard from the screen.... is there anyone who have step by step to separate keyboard from screen then we can solve this sliding problem.... thanks....

there are 4 screws holding the keyboard on the screen.. slide the keyboard all the way open and two are at the top and the other two you can access through holes on the keyboard that line up with them.. the parts that the keyboard slide on are not metal.. they are plastic and melted into place if you look closely.. you can take very small pieces of plastic and super glue them in the correct places to tighten the screen up some.. just takes a little enginuity

Xda IIs Stylus holder is LOOSE after USE and ABUSE!

Hi guys, just wondering if any users out there are having the same problems as me. ive had my Blue Angel now for a good 6 months and im very happy with it appart from it doesnt ring which is very very annoying :twisted: anyone know a fix for this?
But main reason for this post is; has anyone got the same problem that the holder for the stylus has become used and now doesnt hold the stylus in place anymore? i remember there being a click when pushing the stylus in. but now it just falls out when i tip the PDA upside down.
Anyone whos opened up a BA can you give any details on how the holder works? can it be modded so that it grips the stylus again? im one for opening up electrinics and playing with them but since i use this for alot of my work i cant risk it.
many thanks for any replies.
DJUPLIFT

I have the same issues. I tried to take mine apart but could not seem to separate the back side of the case. I removed 3 screws from behind the battery, and one from either side of the device. I too would like any input.

It totally blows... cos i always end up taking the phone out of my pocket and sometimes i dont hear the stylus drop. ive already lost two like this... it might end up being more expensive to just keep buying stylus than to open the BA and screw it up... All in all my ones been opened already :shock:
i dropped it on concrete and somehow the touchscreen stopped working although the screen was intact. O2 replaced it with a brand new one for diddly sqwat!! FANTASTIC!!!
i might just take it appart next weekend and have a little look inside see if there is a way to access this comparment and maybe doing a little DIY style modding!
if i come up with any conclusions ill post them with some pics of course!
DJUPLIFT

a friend of mine took his apart and there does not appear to be a way to tighten the stylus. He said it was just a small plastic protusion that held it in place. Once it wears, you are out of luck. Have not seen this myself, but thats what he tells me..
Regards
chris

that's correct, it's just a plastic clip protruding to grab the gap on the stylus. if it's broken, you may just have to put a tape or sticker around the stylus to make it tighter.
there are 4 screws (one under the void sticker) where the battery goes. i just took mine apart to tighten slider. it's back to sliding smoothly & tight, however, there's still a noticeable gap (between the screen plate & keyboard plate).
anyone knows how to eliminate this gap (about 2mm)?

Try this solution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15120&highlight=loose+stylus
Cheers
Frankman

I use 1 layer of tape around the stylus. spanning the groove in the stylus. This seems to make it a good bit tighter, but does not fix the problem entirely. Hope that helps..
Regards
Chris

i dont like the idea of having tape on my stylus... looks well tacky going into a metting with clients!!
so i took some black insulation tape and made small squares with an art blade and stuck them to the inner edge of the holder... now it sits there nice and tight like a school girl
S O R T E D!!!!
cheers for the help guys/gals.... if any....

An idiot friend of mine put a blade of grass in the stylus holder and now it wont come out. How do I fish it out? The good thing is, my stylus doesn't slide out so easily anymore.

I have also encountered this problem(i got my BA 6 months till now), however it is not that loose as what ur described. at lease it never drop out when i was outside. (after reading this i become worry about it)
I used to own a IPAQ 5550, when i got my BA, i thought the quality of the stylus is better than ipaq's plastic stylus(should have some heavy stuff insde..), i like the BA's metalic stylus.
Now i found that the IPAQ plastic stylus + the spring-like system inside the whole is much better...i want to have one BA + the metalic stylus + the spring-like system to hold the stylus....
if some day i am that unlucky to lost my BA's stylus i will try to use the 3-in-one PDA pen... once it lost one, i may lost another... i wont use normal stylus if it happened.

DJUPLIFT wrote[/quote]
i dont like the idea of having tape on my stylus... looks well tacky going into a metting with clients!!
You have to use that "invisable" tape and only the keyboard and buttons if its a Director or above! :lol:
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Loose stylus - Stylus falls out
This has worked for me. It's been 5 months, and it still works.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-Reassemble your BA.
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade.
Good Luck,
N2O2

Yet again we're having to come up with dodgy (although well thought out) solutions to HTC's shoddy design flaws. My BA is about 3 - 4 months old and its up to this already. I keep finding my stylus on the floor.
Thing is, all these solutions void the warranty and I have to take mine back soon (See the Xray thread ) and am hoping for a replacement on insurance.
The P800 and XDA2 had this problem as well, but surprisingly I have NEVER lost a single stylus in my life! I always just happen to find them again. One time I found my P800 stylus 2 days later in the street between my college and my flat :S

Re: Loose stylus - Stylus falls out
N2O2 said:
This has worked for me. It's been 5 months, and it still works.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-Reassemble your BA.
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade.
Good Luck,
N2O2
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Great idea! It's perfect!
THANK YOU N2O2

N2O2
You just made the wiki hall of fame
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Sty_stopper

Any Kentucky Fried Chícken fans out there?
After losing 5 styli - not only because they were loose in the holder (one went on the motorcycle after I missed the holder hole and then let it go) I came up with this junky solution.
The KFC corn cob holders are a good diameter (had to add a thin layer of tape) and just long enough to be modifiable to add a knureld part at upper end. At at least one of their restaurants I found them outside of the front counter and was able to obtain a few cheap spare emergency styli
Oh well.

:lol: :lol: HAHAHAHAHA You are grade man .....

Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.

Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.

Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.

wobbly screen?

Ok, now when I tilt the screen of my touch pro2 up, it has a slight wobble (in the direction the screen tilts, not sideways). Is it normal for a tilt screen device to have this "freeplay" from new?

Hi All
I have the same problem. My screen wobbles too. min 5-7mm "freeplay".

See my post yesterday
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524432
Just had blokey on from the company saying it was normal for the TP2. I must have had a good 4-5mm of play when it was tilted which seemed odd as my Kaiser was (and still is) totally solid with no play at tilt.
It would be really useful if people could post to say whether they have any 'freeplay' or not when tilted.
Thanks
John

yes freeplay here about 10m i would say its very loose

combat goofwing said:
yes freeplay here about 10m i would say its very loose
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even 10mm is super loose
i think becoz it use different mechanism.

Have logged a call with HTC supprt to get the definitive answer, to wobble or not to wobble. Will update this post when I get a reply

Sent my unit back today and hope to get a replacement soon.
There was something seriously wrong with my unit.
See Pictures uploaded
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7673.JPG
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7675.JPG

tiinking of sending mine back to be replaced not only does it wobble in tilt but with the keyboard closed if i holed the phone flat of my hand and put slight pressure on the top left corner the screen slide about up just on one side is this normel so the screen can look off set

mine is loose but that is normal as you can't have the screen too rigid in tilt position. also its on hinges and that will have a part to play with the wobble. remember the screen is attached to the body by a ribbon which needs the screen to have that bit of play to take tension off the ribbon. when in tilt position look at the back of screen you will see the black ribbon. wobble the screen and you will see the kink in the ribbon when wobbling. now imagine having a really taut screen and the pressure that would be exerted on that ribbon. wobble is acceptable as it plays an important role! thats my opinion. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and the screen is very wobbly and loose.

shingers5 said:
mine is loose but that is normal as you can't have the screen too rigid in tilt position. also its on hinges and that will have a part to play with the wobble. remember the screen is attached to the body by a ribbon which needs the screen to have that bit of play to take tension off the ribbon. when in tilt position look at the back of screen you will see the black ribbon. wobble the screen and you will see the kink in the ribbon when wobbling. now imagine having a really taut screen and the pressure that would be exerted on that ribbon. wobble is acceptable as it plays an important role! thats my opinion. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and the screen is very wobbly and loose.
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I second that Shingers,
My Kaiser became very loose after about one year.
The Rhodium looks to have a much more robust design though and yes there should be some amount of free play.
Time will tell how good the redisgn of the tilt mechanism is though.
Cheers,
Beasty

shingers5 said:
mine is loose but that is normal as you can't have the screen too rigid in tilt position. also its on hinges and that will have a part to play with the wobble. remember the screen is attached to the body by a ribbon which needs the screen to have that bit of play to take tension off the ribbon. when in tilt position look at the back of screen you will see the black ribbon. wobble the screen and you will see the kink in the ribbon when wobbling. now imagine having a really taut screen and the pressure that would be exerted on that ribbon. wobble is acceptable as it plays an important role! thats my opinion. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and the screen is very wobbly and loose.
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Yeah my partners one has same things as you mention but it does not look uneven like mine.
Here is my partners
http://www.noelsolutions.com/diamondpro2.JPG
Mine
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7678.JPG

My Hermes has the same wobble since the first time I got it. 2,5 years later, it's still working great. Don't think it's a lot to worry about. or the people who don't have the wobble, it probably will be there in time.

xxnoelziexx said:
Yeah my partners one has same things as you mention but it does not look uneven like mine.
Here is my partners
http://www.noelsolutions.com/diamondpro2.JPG
Mine
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7678.JPG
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yeah yours defo looks like one of the hinges are loose. that needs to go back defo. might just need tightening but i'd request a replacement if i were you! good luck with that

thanks for the input guys,
John, let us know what's the official position on this. Apart from the wobble device is working fine so I decided to keep it, it's not a deal breaker for me - i operate it while flat anyway and it stays tilted when put on the desk.
The looseness is like, when you tilt it and shake back and forward slowly, it eventually goes down in 3 shakes. Using the touchscreen when tilted is impossible unless you have a finger behind it.
I don't know, all the reviews are praising the stiff tilting mechanism of TP2 and online videos show people applying a bit of pressure on the device to tilt the screen, mine is not like that, that's why I started the thread.
It did say it's the first batch here in UK on the MFDirect website, so could be an early flawed version.

Will do, still waiting to hear. Just think its a bit disapointing if this is a part of the design as (and I really don't want to take anything away from the brilliance of everything else about the phone & how much people, including me seem to love it) it makes it feel, well cheap.....which as you say was the opposite of the reviews the phone has got from everywhere else.
Maybe mine was a lot looser than others have experienced? maybe I'm just a fussy ba***rd, don't know?
MPD won't replace it as they say it is normal, I'm waiting for it to come back then I'll send another email with a couple of snaps/video to HTC to get the definitive view. Will keep you up to date.

And waht about this,it was a little hard for me to explain it corrctly,so i'v take a picture
is it normale ?
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4057/tp2a.jpg

yes i think it is. Its the part that slide's out and also can be tilted. That means that it isn't attached to the bottom of the device and i guess that is wat causes the problem. I also have that problem a bit.
When i slide the device out and NOT tilt it it looks perfectly straight, but when i tilt the screen it wobble's a bit but i guess thats normal to..

same problem ..... same wobble .... still i love it

Thanks guys so i will love more my tp2

The definitive view part 1
Hi all
HTC have replied to my first query. Posted below. Basically there should be no looseness/wobble. I'll speak to them and MPDirect and see what happens next.
'Thank you so much for contacting HTC Technical Support Team.
Regarding your request, kindly note that the symptom you stated (the screen when tilted was loose on its hinges and wobbled back and forth by a few milimetres ) is not a normal symptom. the Screen should be firmly in place.
For further assistance please don't hesitate to contact us on our hotline < 0845 890 0079 > or visit our website at www.htc.com .
Respects & Regards,
HTC Technical Support Team.