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Tired of needing an asbestos suit when asking a question?

Anyone that has been reading the Dev section or been in the IRC chat has probably seen plenty of flaming going on by some people that think they're Elite compared to everyone else. If you think another chatroom would be nice for users to get help when needed without fear of getting banned, flamed, yelled at, told to STFU, ridiculed or more, then let's set it up.
XDA is about a community of users and devs helping each other to tweak their phones as a hobby. Let's get the friendliness back into these forums and start helping each other out.
There's quite a few options for IRC chat, EFnet, Undernet, Mibbit, Freenode, etc. What's everyone's preference? I'm also voting myself NOT to be an Op, I have limited time available between working 50-60 hours a week, having time for my wife and kids, and doing Android app development on the side.
-Daryel

If I can ever help. PLEASE don't hesitate to ask.
Great post....
Rob
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Excellent idea.
I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148

geekaren said:
Excellent idea.
I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148
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Once we have 1,000 threads in General or 10,000 posts in General we'll be able to split that out - XDA rules.

Glad to hear a Q&A forum will be an option in future.
Thanks, jerdog!

not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.

Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a lot less.

henbone11 said:
not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
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Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.
It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.
Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.
-Daryel

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not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
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While I wasn't privy to what you are referring to, have to agree that in general this is a very true statement. I'm not taking sides here at all but in my experience this is a common concern across the boards, regardless of devices.
XDA is a development community but we would be nothing without a user base. We need to lead by example and do our best to be patient with those that are new to the game. We were all there once.
With that said, as a newer user you have a responsibility to research, read, search and read some more before you start asking questions that have been answered over and over again. I'm a patient guy and I love helping people that need help but it honestly does get a bit rough when people don't take the time to at least try to learn before bombarding you with questions about your ROM when the answers are in the OP. If the user would have taken the time to read they would have found what they were looking for. You have to understand that you are one of many people asking the same questions over and over again. So if your met in an unpleasant way, sometimes thats why. Not that it makes it right but maybe just a bit of insight.
We need to all work together and make this community worth participating in.
At the end of the day, all this stuff is about a phone. Trust me, there are much bigger and more important things in life to worry about than a phone......

Well hit 1ooo threads by the end of the week
But there is probably 1oooo post by now
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xak944 said:
Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a lot less.
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You make a great point, but it doesn't matter. Someone could ask a question after spending days searching for an answer and still get flamed. These no way to know if someone has taken the time to search, so people that are really trying to learn and have put the time in themselves are getting lumped into the same group as those to lazy to use the search button.

Actually, I was present in irc for the exchange.
I had the same confusion as daryelv with regards to the question he was asking, and it's not because "i cant red gud." In fact, if daryelv hadn't asked the question, then I wouldn't have flashed the rom due to the confusion. So I, for one, benefited from the clarification.
But when he pointed out the source of the confusion, he did get flamed and it did turn racist. It's too bad, because it was all really over an outdated sentence in the rom thread disclaimer, and it was pretty unnecessary.
I get the hard work that devs put into their projects; I wouldn't want to be bothered with dumb questions either. But there was a genuine confusion and a lack of receptiveness in hearing about it.

To be honest, douchebaggery is rampant at most android forums. Take a gender at the CM7 port for the touchpad thread at rootzwiki.
Ill credit it to the expansion of android
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fadetobolivia said:
Actually, I was present in irc for the exchange.
I had the same confusion as daryelv with regards to the question he was asking, and it's not because "i cant red gud." In fact, if daryelv hadn't asked the question, then I wouldn't have flashed the rom due to the confusion. So I, for one, benefited from the clarification.
But when he pointed out the source of the confusion, he did get flamed and it did turn racist. It's too bad, because it was all really over an outdated sentence in the rom thread disclaimer, and it was pretty unnecessary.
I get the hard work that devs put into their projects; I wouldn't want to be bothered with dumb questions either. But there was a genuine confusion and a lack of receptiveness in hearing about it.
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I had this very same discussion back in the Epic 4G forums earlier in the year. Something that everyone needs to understand is that the developers are no better than anyone else. Everyone in the community plays a role.
I would argue that the developers should be setting the example of how to conduct one's self and not fall victim to the god complex that has affected some of us. I always throw my friend k0nane under the bus at times like this not because of anything he has done wrong but because of the example he sets. He is easily one of the best developers I've met and yet he treats everyone with respect and affords them the dignity that they deserve.
There will always be a-holes out there but if you lower yourselves to there level than your no better than they are.
As developers, we need to remember that we are no better than anyone else. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect whether they are developing or simply asking an honest question.
Please remember that the Epic Touch 4G is only a phone. Life is way bigger than this and if the biggest thing you have to worry about is flashing a phone than count yourself lucky.
This is way to early in the cycle to have the forums going down the toilet. Take control back and lead by example. You should NOT be afraid to ask a question, especially if you tried to find the answer or simply need clarification.
While I'm far from the best developer I do always try to respond to everyone's questions and PM's. Hit my up on my blog and send me an email. I'll get back to you when I can. Please don't ever be afraid to ask me a question.
Let's keep this community moving forward.

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daryelv said:
Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.
It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.
Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.
-Daryel
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It's because all of these things have been answered, or there's a thread dedicated directly to it. It takes only a few seconds to search. I'm not a dev and I already find it irritating seeing 5 new threads about the same thing every day. If people would simply search on the forums, or even do a quick Google search, I'm 100% sure they'll find the answer to any questions about any of the topics you just brought up.
ptfdmedic said:
I had this very same discussion back in the Epic 4G forums earlier in the year. Something that everyone needs to understand is that the developers are no better than anyone else. Everyone in the community plays a role.
I would argue that the developers should be setting the example of how to conduct one's self and not fall victim to the god complex that has affected some of us. I always throw my friend k0nane under the bus at times like this not because of anything he has done wrong but because of the example he sets. He is easily one of the best developers I've met and yet he treats everyone with respect and affords them the dignity that they deserve.
There will always be a-holes out there but if you lower yourselves to there level than your no better than they are.
As developers, we need to remember that we are no better than anyone else. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect whether they are developing or simply asking an honest question.
Please remember that the Epic Touch 4G is only a phone. Life is way bigger than this and if the biggest thing you have to worry about is flashing a phone than count yourself lucky.
This is way to early in the cycle to have the forums going down the toilet. Take control back and lead by example. You should NOT be afraid to ask a question, especially if you tried to find the answer or simply need clarification.
While I'm far from the best developer I do always try to respond to everyone's questions and PM's. Hit my up on my blog and send me an email. I'll get back to you when I can. Please don't ever be afraid to ask me a question.
Let's keep this community moving forward.
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Theoretically, no devs aren't better than anyone else. Realistically, yes they are. They are the people who spend hundreds of hours (unpaid) doing something that directly benefits you. I'm sure they get hundreds of the same question every single day that they've answered already. If I were a dev, spending all my time doing something for other people, then get spammed with messages because someone is too lazy to spend a few seconds of their time (when I'm spending hours of my own) searching the forums, I'd get pissed too. Have you ever donated to a dev? Have you ever even said thank you for all of their hard work? Why are the only things devs get repetitive questions and complaints?

Anyone with questions about Odin, flashing, or need help finding an apk you accidentally deleted or just have a general question, PM me anytime. It wasn't very long ago that I had to search to see what root was. Ask anyone with an Epic..I will help out in any way I can so don't hesitate to ask. On a side note, I sure am glad ptfdmedic got an ET4G...pure class and he was the same way on the Epic threads as well. That's why everyone over there respects him so much.
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i dont know what exactly happened in the IRC, buuut like someone posted earlier... there are two sides of the story so im not agreeing with anybody, BUT i will point this out...
the person asking the question was right in the sense of asking a question because s/he was confused... on the other other hand, i understand ppl here repeat a lot of questions that have an open thread on that very same subject and make devs inpatient but turning this into a racist argument was uncalled for in my opinion... what does being indian, even if the person asking the question isnt one, have to do with being confused?
seems silly to me, cuz being confused DOES NOT have anything to do with color or race! just my two cents....

I don't understand why people have to make racial comments. Not just in Daryl's story but there are other instances I saw. Nobody is better than anyone else. We all come for the same reason. If u can't handle don't log on. It would make the thread less crowded if u answered that repetitive question instead of flaming them. If anyone has anyone questions that they want to ask they can pm me as well. I know JC will go out of his way as well as ptfdmedic. There are more as well.
The Evo3D Killer!!!

musclehead84 said:
I don't understand why people have to make racial comments. Not just in Daryl's story but there are other instances I saw. Nobody is better than anyone else. We all come for the same reason. If u can't handle don't log on. It would make the thread less crowded if u answered that repetitive question instead of flaming them. If anyone has anyone questions that they want to ask they can pm me as well. I know JC will go out of his way as well as ptfdmedic. There are more as well.
The Evo3D Killer!!!
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No one said there aren't people out there that are helpful, but continuing to ask the same questions that are asked in threads pretty much daily when there's a search function is pretty frustrating.
I do agree that bringing anything racial (or anything offensive) was incredibly immature and wrong. There's absolutely no reason to be rude, but people to need to be more aware of how to get answers other than spamming devs with the same questions.

Just a little rant.......

Just seen Venum post about giving up on keeping up with discussion threads because ppl just refuse to read. One of our great devs seems frustrated....... can't blame him.
I've been playing around with this ROM sh#t for a couple years now. This ''why don't ppl just read'' thing is just always gonna be a problem. Maybe until someone way smarter then my dumbass can create some sort of program that before your able to post a question a Page or Page numbers will pop up? IDK.... Maybe some ppl are lazy and others are just too busy.
IMO starting separate discussion threads just isn't the answer. I find myself bouncing back and forth between both threads to get info on whats going on.
Hell I'm BADLY guilty of not researching. A week after a buddy from work mentioned something about roms I posted a question in the HTC dev thread when I ran into a problem. I got flamed big time. Ya know ''Hows the battery life on this rom?'' and all that.
I had an HTC TBolt before this badass phone. In two days we lost two great devs partly because of frustration with ppl in the threads. The flaming and why don't ppl just read.
I love this hobby. Just something too eff around with when I'm bored. There is ALOT of really cool and helpful peeps in these threads. Great devs too. I've looked into theming and after I found out about all the time it involved, I thought there is no way I could do this. I appreciate the time and work these devs and themers put into giving us there awesome work.
I'm 38 yrs old with a wife and a three yr old son. Don't know if I'm wise enough to give ya'll any advise but I'm going to give it anyway. All this is a cellphone and a hobby....... someone post a question that's been asked and answered a thousand times.... so what. Help if you want, or else move on. Don't take this sh#t too seriously.
This doesn't go out to the devs,contributers, or themers......I wouldn't be able to understand your frustration with some of this stuff in these threads only because of the time you put into this.
Venum,Erick,Mijjah74,BTR,Sfhub etc. etc.
Thanks.......
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Couldn't have said it better myself! Well said man.
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Beautifully said.
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One of the best devs on my old phone just dropped phantom updates and almost never posted. People would mention issues or wants and a future release would often be updated with hose thigs. He would typically just update the op without even bumping the thread.
To all you devs out there hanks for your work but do it for yourself guys life it short and you deserve to have fun and enjoy what you do. I spent the last 6 years in bs jobs and finally got back to doing what I love, IT. I dont have the skills or ability in software but I'm working on my ccna right now. I can at least keep the network running for you guys in the future.

Personally, I enjoy the questions posted in my theme threads. I wouldn't ever make a discussion thread because I find it pointless. If people want to post something positive or constructive criticism in my thread, be my quest. I'm all open for ideas and opinions. I always have my own personal variants anyways.
I can understand people being unappreciative, and that can become frustrating. The devs just gotta realize that there are people like that EVERYWHERE and shouldn't let it bother them.

Amen!
Man these things fall funny sometimes lol I was commenting on the first post but didn't quote it in my response.

I'm not big on the idea of having 2 threads either. I always liked it better when it was one thread in development and everything was done inside that thread. But I also think people should read a little more and also utilize the search tool. If you go over the threads you will see the same questions asked in different ways, over and over again. I actually avoid the Hydra rom thread because of this. The devs definitely show a lot of restraint and still try their best to be helpful. Maybe once the official drops and we quit getting leaks every couple of days, things will get better. I myself definitely appreciate everything that all of the devs do in this community.
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I feel that users who jumped onto the dev thread grabbing 2nd 3rd 4th post etc just for fun of it. It would be so nice if you did not grab those post and leave it to the dev or since you do have it, try to do something proactive and post relevant updates/status/bugs. Simple questions & answers. I remember on the miui.us forum Just_S did an amazing job on tackling this even before he was promoted to moderator.

Every forum on XDA is like this.

Another good reason to search through the threads is that you learn so much other good stuff that comes in handy down the road. If I had just asked a question every time I ran into trouble I wouldn't know half of what I know now. Although half of nothing is still nothing I guess!

im0rtalz said:
I feel that users who jumped onto the dev thread grabbing 2nd 3rd 4th post etc just for fun of it. It would be so nice if you did not grab those post and leave it to the dev or since you do have it, try to do something proactive and post relevant updates/status/bugs. Simple questions & answers. I remember on the miui.us forum Just_S did an amazing job on tackling this even before he was promoted to moderator.
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I completely agree with this. If you take a 1st page post, do something constructive with it. Have your jokes and whatnot at first, but go back and add some value to it.
That's a great way to help the devs keep info and Q & A updated.
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I hate stupid questions ..
Like "are you going to rape me?"
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iSaint said:
I hate stupid questions ..
Like "are you going to rape me?"
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If i flash ics, will it taste like an ics?

Ascertion said:
If i flash ics, will it taste like an ics?
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the snozberries taste like snozberries

I don't mind people asking repetitive questions unless the answer is on the same page or in the op.
The "give me" generation doesn't seem to understand the ...give/teach a man to fish analogy
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Overstew said:
Personally, I enjoy the questions posted in my theme threads. I wouldn't ever make a discussion thread because I find it pointless. If people want to post something positive or constructive criticism in my thread, be my quest. I'm all open for ideas and opinions. I always have my own personal variants anyways.
I can understand people being unappreciative, and that can become frustrating. The devs just gotta realize that there are people like that EVERYWHERE and shouldn't let it bother them.
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I actually agree with Overstew wholeheartedly here. What was referred to in the op was a comment I made in another thread when asked about the discussion thread I had. I'm sure my frustration showed through in my comments but that doesn't mean I want to quit or even really blast people. I wanted to use the rom thread as an actual problems thread and the discussion thread as "I love this rom" "I hate this rom" etc. So I wouldn't have to read through 30 pages of this and that to find issues.
As Overstew said and I feel the same way I enjoy the questions and I DO appreciate the feedback. Because I ACTUALLY do use the feedback good or bad to make tweaks or changes in regard to users as a whole. In hindsight its obvious the 2 thread roms are probably not a good idea. And I'll probably stop it.
Having said all that I want everyone here on the ET4G forum to know that you all have been great to me and in know way do I plan on leaving or getting so pissed off that I quit you guys. On the contrary, I appreciate all of you, and plan to be on the ET4G for the forseeable future trying to make our great phone even better... in addition please remember that we developers are human too and sometimes we may come across as being snippy or disrespectful. But in actuality we probably are having a bad day or something is not going well. Its not personal and we also try not to take things to personal. I think for those of you who know me I try to be as helpful and polite as I can be and represent XDA in the manner I would like to be treated as. And I was new once, and I haven't forgotten what it felt like to be lost or need help...
Sorry got carried away... so I'll end here by saying we have a great community here and it's because if YOU!!!

VeNuM said:
I actually agree with Overstew wholeheartedly here. What was referred to in the op was a comment I made in another thread when asked about the discussion thread I had. I'm sure my frustration showed through in my comments but that doesn't mean I want to quit or even really blast people. I wanted to use the rom thread as an actual problems thread and the discussion thread as "I love this rom" "I hate this rom" etc. So I wouldn't have to read through 30 pages of this and that to find issues.
As Overstew said and I feel the same way I enjoy the questions and I DO appreciate the feedback. Because I ACTUALLY do use the feedback good or bad to make tweaks or changes in regard to users as a whole. In hindsight its obvious the 2 thread roms are probably not a good idea. And I'll probably stop it.
Having said all that I want everyone here on the ET4G forum to know that you all have been great to me and in know way do I plan on leaving or getting so pissed off that I quit you guys. On the contrary, I appreciate all of you, and plan to be on the ET4G for the forseeable future trying to make our great phone even better... in addition please remember that we developers are human too and sometimes we may come across as being snippy or disrespectful. But in actuality we probably are having a bad day or something is not going well. Its not personal and we also try not to take things to personal. I think for those of you who know me I try to be as helpful and polite as I can be and represent XDA in the manner I would like to be treated as. And I was new once, and I haven't forgotten what it felt like to be lost or need help...
Sorry got carried away... so I'll end here by saying we have a great community here and it's because if YOU!!!
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Venum our community wouldn't be the same without you. Thank you for all you do and I'm glad you have the persistence to put up with us.
I've enjoyed every one of your ROMs that I've run and still hold Anakonda up as one of my very favorites.
You and your team (including that crazy themer dude ) are one of the main reasons I'll be hanging onto my phone for the foreseeable future regardless what phone comes out next.
In short terms, you guys rock!

It does look like the two thread idea is not working as well as others would expect but you must admit its a great idea. Honestly xda is for developers to show off their stuff and for us to leech or not to leech. You would assume that we should be able to follow directions. Lets be honest a developer using his free time to make your product better has asked you too simply only post problems in his thread to make it better for you and easier for him to figure out what needs to be fixed. Ask yourself is that really that hard to do.
A developer takes his time to create a beautiful OP to answer all your questions and lets you know exactly what to do to achieve greatness on your phone. Are the directions really that difficult. At what point to we let common sense jump in and go hey before I post this let me think for a sec.....
Rom posted 5:45 post at 6:00 "Hows battery life" - Seriously
Op says camera does not work post will say "Camera is buggy rom sucks" - Why
Sorry I get it why developers get angry and I understand you want people to move on but really with all that's out there to help just take a sec and use your brain...
Remember its called xda DEVELOPERS

I believe it's just fickle times right now in the e4gt forum. Only dedicated xda users know to read thoroughly before jumping in. More and more people join the Android community and a lot more of those people are migrating to custom development. Normally this wouldn't be an issue but currently you have to 'lift your right leg, whirl your finger counter-clockwise, and sing the National Anthem backwards' just to simply flash anything. While most of us are fairly coordinated, myself included , the rest of the community just want to sit back and enjoy the music. In due time, we will all settle back in again and the user that doesn't read will not have to ask any questions, cause it will go smoothly the first time. Patience is key right now. It will get better.
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Esoteric68 said:
Venum our community wouldn't be the same without you. Thank you for all you do and I'm glad you have the persistence to put up with us.
I've enjoyed every one of your ROMs that I've run and still hold Anakonda up as one of my very favorites.
You and your team (including that crazy themer dude ) are one of the main reasons I'll be hanging onto my phone for the foreseeable future regardless what phone comes out next.
In short terms, you guys rock!
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Can't believe you called rounsy a crazy themer dude.. Lol
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Request about the mod date in the dev section...

May sound a little odd coming from a newbie like myself... but I see a lot of threads posted in the development section where the OP date for the rom update is not updated... LOL if that makes sense.
Take this for instance....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621678
It says 6/14 in the title, but it appears that it was updated last night? How come the main thread title does not get updated? Just wondering.. I seen other threads like this too, and it makes it a little inconvenient to check each thread independantally to see which one was really updated, and which one was not.
Thanks!

That was the alpha CM9 rom created by Team Chopsticks (last updated 6/14). They are now official maintainers for the CM9 Nightlies which can be found on the CM site. The OP hasn't been updated because that was their last build and the thread is more or less just used to discuss the latest nightlies.

really this again!
Trololol

ssmr2t said:
May sound a little odd coming from a newbie like myself... but I see a lot of threads posted in the development section where the OP date for the rom update is not updated... LOL if that makes sense.
Take this for instance....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621678
It says 6/14 in the title, but it appears that it was updated last night? How come the main thread title does not get updated? Just wondering.. I seen other threads like this too, and it makes it a little inconvenient to check each thread independantally to see which one was really updated, and which one was not.
Thanks!
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Hes right. Can the mods delete those threads or start handing out violations or some type of demerit to the devs

People should be reading the threads anyway.

yaldak said:
People should be reading the threads anyway.
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in all fairness some of those threads are pretty long to actually go and read through the whole thing

They only post their releases in the title of the thread. Nightlies aren't considered to be releases. XDA is a development forum, hence the long threads about DEVELOPMENT. :good:

Absolutely ridiculous. Read the damn thread. These guys are making you free software at the expense of countless hours of work, and you gripe about a release date in the OP when its a NIGHTLY that your whining about? Nightly- meaning every night. Figure it out
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In my defense, I would like to point out the Miui thread.. That is not a nightly... its more or less a weekly, yet the date still remains as 5/27.
I understand the "development forum is for development purpose only and we should read the threads"... but really? Have you read through half of those posts? Like 5700000 pages of "Thanks" and "10Char"... not trying to be rude, just saying.. it would be helpful.
Yesterday 02:39 PM
eugene373 really this again!
Trololol
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Why would you say that? Im not trolling dude, im just voicing an opinion. Furthermore, I never intended to disrespect you when I said "File a complaint form"... I dont know why you took it in a harsh way especially considering I put
a face afterwards.. I would think that you understand its a joke... again, I apologize for disrespecting you if you felt that way.

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in all fairness some of those threads are pretty long to actually go and read through the whole thing
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Yeah totally true.
Can someone make a call to Mark Twain in the afterlife and any writer that writes anything longer than a twit and tell him that Huckleberry Finn should be in a twitter compliant length. Can we just get a color coded system in the dev threads. where we have green for "go and flash" and red for no go.Why should we be expected to read anything at all, we need a color coded system

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In my defense, I would like to point out the Miui thread.. That is not a nightly... its more or less a weekly, yet the date still remains as 5/27.
I understand the "development forum is for development purpose only and we should read the threads"... but really? Have you read through half of those posts? Like 5700000 pages of "Thanks" and "10Char"... not trying to be rude, just saying.. it would be helpful.
Why would you say that? Im not trolling dude, im just voicing an opinion. Furthermore, I never intended to disrespect you when I said "File a complaint form"... I dont know why you took it in a harsh way especially considering I put
a face afterwards.. I would think that you understand its a joke... again, I apologize for disrespecting you if you felt that way.
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lol easy now... that Trololol was for me Trolling, nothing more.... "File a Complaint forum" that wasn't me that got mad...
further more, all I was saying in retro spec was we already had one of these threads posted...
Nothing more :laugh::victory::highfive:
~Eugene

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Can we just get a color coded system in the dev threads. where we have green for "go and flash" and red for no go.Why should we be expected to read anything at all, we need a color coded system
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Because--and this is not an attack--:
Every user has different needs, and every developer has different taste. Before users go and rant about something, they should read (!) the posts in question and make their own decision based on judgment. Not on a simple color.
Reading is informative, and considering you are flashing firmware on a $200+ device I wouldn't find it wise to just blindly flash a ROM based on a color code.
Some ROMs have specific parameters and information that the developers intend users to read before using said download.
There are questions, and then there are questions that are asked a thousand times that clutter threads for no meaningful reason--especially questions that the OP already answered in the first post. We may not always have the time to update the original post for everyone. But Samsung and T-Mobile don't even have time to make a proper update for us so the trade off for whom you want support from is your choice.
Because reading is good for the mind, and it's good to know what you're doing before you do it :good:
I do agree some threads are obnoxiously long.
But if everyone closely reads a thread at its early stages, it'll stunt unnecessary growth.

yaldak said:
Because--and this is not an attack--:
Every user has different needs, and every developer has different taste. Before users go and rant about something, they should read (!) the posts in question and make their own decision based on judgment. Not on a simple color.
Reading is informative, and considering you are flashing firmware on a $200+ device I wouldn't find it wise to just blindly flash a ROM based on a color code.
Some ROMs have specific parameters and information that the developers intend users to read before using said download.
There are questions, and then there are questions that are asked a thousand times that clutter threads for no meaningful reason--especially questions that the OP already answered in the first post. We may not always have the time to update the original post for everyone. But Samsung and T-Mobile don't even have time to make a proper update for us so the trade off for whom you want support from is your choice.
Because reading is good for the mind, and it's good to know what you're doing before you do it :good:
I do agree some threads are obnoxiously long.
But if everyone closely reads a thread at its early stages, it'll stunt unnecessary growth.
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I was being sarcastic but it is sad that people are so demanding of devs that it could be seen as possibly a serious comment.
Your list is a good run down of reasons to read. When did we get to the point that reading more than a single paragraph is torture?
If you are about to do something to a 300+ dollar device. read a bit.

I think there's an app that will read through the entire thread and find what your looking for.... oh wait, that's what the search button does.... my bad, nevermind.

Lazy ass go through last page of thread and you will know whats going on thread. If you can't search such small thing ; go to some crazy guy from craiglist to put ROM on ur phone paying him $$.
Nobody is here to serve you meal.
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I was being sarcastic but it is sad that people are so demanding of devs that it could be seen as possibly a serious comment.
Your list is a good run down of reasons to read. When did we get to the point that reading more than a single paragraph is torture?
If you are about to do something to a 300+ dollar device. read a bit.
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I blame twitter, and to the OP, are you referring to the bottom of the page where it says last updated?
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Its really not to much of an issue here. But other devices have had it bad with thread flooding.
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Please Make a Poll about ROMS, and let people vote..

I am not a pro user of these forums, but I would like someone, especially the Mods to make a thread about most popular roms of DHD and let people vote.. It would give one an idea of what rom is trending and what is the most widely used.. Sure would help ignite the competition too ..
If any such thread already exists on this forum, please tell me...

You can do it yourself...and you might be the first one to do so (i havent searched to see if there is one out there already...)

It is not done do the fact we are all tired of hearing the same question over and over again what's the best rom what's a solid stable rom and they all get closed. Each rom works different for everyone. What's good to one is utter crap to another and your topic will only start a flaming war hence the reason why such threads are closed. Only you can tell what's good for you by trying a few out or reading comments on the devs threads. Hmm I think I hear zels footsteps.
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Reinaldo33897 said:
It is not done do the fact we are all tired of hearing the same question over and over again what's the best rom what's a solid stable rom and they all get closed. Each rom works different for everyone. What's good to one is utter crap to another and your topic will only start a flaming war hence the reason why such threads are closed. Only you can tell what's good for you by trying a few out or reading comments on the devs threads. Hmm I think I hear zels footsteps.
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Might be nice to centralize it though. No comments, just a pure poll. (Not sure if there's a way to do that.) It might cut down on the one-post immediately-closed "which is the best ROM" threads.

A poll with no comments may work.
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Well there is something similar. Its not a poll.. but it gives a pretty decent breakdown on the roms currently available broken down into categories Jellybean, ICS, GB etc. It might help out?
>>> Development List <<<

fallenkirmit said:
Well there is something similar. Its not a poll.. but it gives a pretty decent breakdown on the roms currently available broken down into categories Jellybean, ICS, GB etc. It might help out?
>>> Development List <<<
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Yeah, I know about that, but I see a lot of threads opened that basically ask "I'm new, what is the most popular/best/favorite ROM?" The index gives a good list of available ROMs, but it doesn't shed a lot of light on how many people use each one, which seems to be what newbies would like to know (to help them decide which to install). Maybe a poll would cut down on such threads. I've PMed a mod to see if such a poll would be well-received.

salman1497 said:
I am not a pro user of these forums, but I would like someone, especially the Mods to make a thread about most popular roms of DHD and let people vote.. It would give one an idea of what rom is trending and what is the most widely used.. Sure would help ignite the competition too ..
If any such thread already exists on this forum, please tell me...
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I completely disagree, bcoz u can't compare all the efforts of devs. Every single piece of their work is truly admirable. Whatever they have done is absolutely priceless.
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I didn't mean that devs work isn't priceless, of course that is commendable!! And its not strict comparing either.. I just meant that one should have idea about new trending romS and also how many people are using which rom.... I know one rom may be excellent for someone and crap for another, have probably flashed more than 100 roms myself. I am just taking about the current trend of roms
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I agree with a poll with no comments, just a simple poll with rom names allowing members to state what they are using, we don't need to know their reasons why.
One thing I don't always understand is people read threads, see what features the rom has but still want other people to tell them.... Just install it and have a look yourself! Most common case I've seen is in the Sabsa Prime thread as it's what I use, people ask for updates and then when one comes along, they ask people to try it out and report back if it's worth updating. Grrrrr!! It's your phone, you want the updates so try it out and see if it suits YOU. Simples.
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I see a lot of talk, but no one stepping in to start a poll? You guys do realize anyone can start poll as a part of the thread!!

ai6908 said:
I see a lot of talk, but no one stepping in to start a poll? You guys do realize anyone can start poll as a part of the thread!!
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I have PMed the mods (since they would need to lock comments) a couple times. No response yet.

The mods say that locking a thread while leaving the poll open is not possible.

bananagranola said:
The mods say that locking a thread while leaving the poll open is not possible.
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I saw your PM yesterday and had been giving it some thought. It looks like my co-moderator has contacted you already and let you know that the system will lock the poll as part of closing thread. Even if it was possible to separate the two, I'd be inclined to close down polls like the one you suggest. While some of you might think a poll like this a good idea, it smells a bit too much like a popularity contest.
Some of you may already know that many moderators in other forums have a wholesale ban on "Best ROM" threads. This is because a lot of these threads tend to be a breeding ground for rivalries and disrespecting others' work that can degenerate into infighting and other nastiness. I don't want to be heavy-handed on this topic because I see some benefit to discussions that compare/contrast ROMs and kernels IF they are done objectively and with respect for others. The last part of this is the most important here.
You might have already seen comments that say, "there is no best, try it and see what you like" and that's true. We all have different needs and likes, so there can be no best, but some sharing of knowledge and experiences with various ROMs can be helpful to others. Again, all of this needs to be done objectively and with respect for others. There's already a thread in General with many opinions and nobody's been really causing any trouble there, so I suggest all of you continue those discussions there. Please... no "best" polls.
I'm sorry to threadjack this from the OP, but since the idea has been shot down, I welcome your thoughts on the matter. If you don't want to air it out publicly, my PM box is always open.

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Thanks for explaining. I just thought that a more centralized and easy-to-read format would help newbies who are confused when they first see that (seemingly endless) list of ROM threads that is so appealing to those of us who've been around a little longer. But I respect your position and it makes sense. Also, without the comment-locked-forum option, I agree that these types of threads do tend to degenerate.

Which ROM I have to choose?

Hi guys! I deliver this phone yesterday.
It uses stock 2.3.5 and I want to upgrade a newer version.
I see many roms but really do not know which to use with.
As for my expectations from rom. I need as everybody stability, performance and good battery life.
I need your opinions.
From now thanx for your advices.

If you bothered to read any stickied thread in this forum you'd have an answer for this.. It amazes me how not one person reads forum rules or stickies before asking the same question daily...
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NFleck said:
If you bothered to read any stickied thread in this forum you'd have an answer for this.. It amazes me how not one person reads forum rules or stickies before asking the same question daily...
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Reading stickies/forum rules aside; if you're gonna ask a question that's been asked a hundred times before, why not, at the very least, revive one of the multiple dozens of threads where that question has been asked already instead of creating more useless clutter in an already irreparably cluttered board?
Hey, at least he's not asking how to root, or what's with the error after flashing CWM over official ICS

Lol. Yeah that's true.. Its funny if you go back to the sub forum there's (estimate without actually checking) probably about 5 asking what's the best ROM, or how do I root.. Meanwhile there's like 2 or 3 stickies explaining it... In the same exact page!
Um all for forum activity, and a live forum is definitely better than a dead one but come on people seriously.. I'm not trying to be a jerk and sorry if it comes off that way but I've only been a registered member for not even a year and it does get frustrating. Just try to read some posts before making a dumb one.. If you have a question its pretty much guaranteed its been answered.
The forum rules, which are actually a global announcement if I'm not mistaken; clearly state that if you're too lazy to experiment with the ROMs and find out for yourself which one is best then this isn't the right place for you.. And I wholeheartedly agree. I've only had the p930 since last November or so and I've been testing ROMs since day one and I've never once had to ask how to root or which ROM to use... That's the whole fun/enjoyment of android dev IMO.
There's my two cents. If you honestly still can't find an answer then there's probably no hope. Get a friend to mod your phone.. Lol
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NFleck said:
Lol. Yeah that's true.. Its funny if you go back to the sub forum there's (estimate without actually checking) probably about 5 asking what's the best ROM, or how do I root.. Meanwhile there's like 2 or 3 stickies explaining it... In the same exact page!
Um all for forum activity, and a live forum is definitely better than a dead one but come on people seriously.. I'm not trying to be a jerk and sorry if it comes off that way but I've only been a registered member for not even a year and it does get frustrating. Just try to read some posts before making a dumb one.. If you have a question its pretty much guaranteed its been answered.
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My conclusion is that the "Search this forum" box doesn't seem to appear for 95% of the people... I mean, that's the only logical explanation, right?

lordcheeto03 said:
My conclusion is that the "Search this forum" box doesn't seem to appear for 95% of the people... I mean, that's the only logical explanation, right?
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Seems that way eh...
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I asked a simple question, and need an opinion. Absolutely I had searched the forum,
there are so many different q/a posts. I have just confused.
Yes. I don't ask how to root or flash. I'm not new on android.
Maybe I know more than you think.
I this is the way you help other peoples who need help.
This is your satisfactionary.
If you don't want to help, just don't type anything. Let it be blank,
So may the others can share their opinions.
And I didn't post for you to chat here. You can send eachother pm (acording your thoughts) about people who want an opinion.
Btw. I don't need your opinion.

ibrahim244 said:
I asked a simple question, and need an opinion. Absolutely I had searched the forum,
there are so many different q/a posts. I have just confused.
Yes. I don't ask how to root or flash. I'm not new on android.
Maybe I know more than you think.
I this is the way you help other peoples who need help.
This is your satisfactionary.
If you don't want to help, just don't type anything. Let it be blank,
So may the others can share their opinions.
And I didn't post for you to chat here. You can send eachother pm (acording your thoughts) about people who want an opinion.
Btw. I don't need your opinion.
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Look, I'm glad to have you as a part of the community; there is not one single person who shouldn't be a part of what we have here. All I'm saying is that, instead of posting a new thread to ask a question that has been thoroughly covered in multiple other threads; why not, at the very least, revive an old thread for this purpose instead of adding more clutter to an already cluttered board? It's posts like this which are the reason that there are "already so many different q/a posts."
I never said or implied that you were new to Android, and I never once said or implied that you were ignorant when it comes to Android devices. Believe me, I'm far from knowing anywhere near what I would like to know; but I guarantee you that almost every single question that has been, and will be asked on this board has already been covered multiple times; including "which rom is best". The development section has discussions covering the bugs and gremlins for every ROM released for this device via XDA. No real need to read every single page of each threads, just skim the last few pages and you'll get an idea of where the ROMs stand in their current form.
With that being said, I DO apologize for being a complete jackass and for the tone which I put across; but the sentiment remains.
Also, I have put forth an answer buried in my reply here; although it is a little verbose and requires you to do a little more leg-work to form your own opinion... which is what counts the most.

The answers you seek are on the very page you posted this in...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206596
^ There you go.
If you want the latest Android experience (4.22), the best all around bet is probably the unofficial PAC-ROM + Wind kernel 1.7 or 1.8. Bluetooth works pretty well, I think the only bugs are the other common CM10.1 ones- 1080p recording crashes, hitting the power button while in the camera app crashes. If you don't care about bluetooth and just want speed and battery, check out JellyBAM- it is slightly less stable than PAC but it flies.
If you are ok with ICS (4.0X) then HO!NO!'s CM9, Liquid Nitro or HO!NO!'s V20f are solid.
But in the future, search around and do a lot of research before posting a question- on most forums it annoys the members to be answering the same questions repeatedly

OP no, just try for yourself....