May sound a little odd coming from a newbie like myself... but I see a lot of threads posted in the development section where the OP date for the rom update is not updated... LOL if that makes sense.
Take this for instance....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621678
It says 6/14 in the title, but it appears that it was updated last night? How come the main thread title does not get updated? Just wondering.. I seen other threads like this too, and it makes it a little inconvenient to check each thread independantally to see which one was really updated, and which one was not.
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That was the alpha CM9 rom created by Team Chopsticks (last updated 6/14). They are now official maintainers for the CM9 Nightlies which can be found on the CM site. The OP hasn't been updated because that was their last build and the thread is more or less just used to discuss the latest nightlies.
really this again!
Trololol
ssmr2t said:
May sound a little odd coming from a newbie like myself... but I see a lot of threads posted in the development section where the OP date for the rom update is not updated... LOL if that makes sense.
Take this for instance....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621678
It says 6/14 in the title, but it appears that it was updated last night? How come the main thread title does not get updated? Just wondering.. I seen other threads like this too, and it makes it a little inconvenient to check each thread independantally to see which one was really updated, and which one was not.
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Hes right. Can the mods delete those threads or start handing out violations or some type of demerit to the devs
People should be reading the threads anyway.
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People should be reading the threads anyway.
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in all fairness some of those threads are pretty long to actually go and read through the whole thing
They only post their releases in the title of the thread. Nightlies aren't considered to be releases. XDA is a development forum, hence the long threads about DEVELOPMENT. :good:
Absolutely ridiculous. Read the damn thread. These guys are making you free software at the expense of countless hours of work, and you gripe about a release date in the OP when its a NIGHTLY that your whining about? Nightly- meaning every night. Figure it out
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In my defense, I would like to point out the Miui thread.. That is not a nightly... its more or less a weekly, yet the date still remains as 5/27.
I understand the "development forum is for development purpose only and we should read the threads"... but really? Have you read through half of those posts? Like 5700000 pages of "Thanks" and "10Char"... not trying to be rude, just saying.. it would be helpful.
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eugene373 really this again!
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Why would you say that? Im not trolling dude, im just voicing an opinion. Furthermore, I never intended to disrespect you when I said "File a complaint form"... I dont know why you took it in a harsh way especially considering I put
a face afterwards.. I would think that you understand its a joke... again, I apologize for disrespecting you if you felt that way.
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Yeah totally true.
Can someone make a call to Mark Twain in the afterlife and any writer that writes anything longer than a twit and tell him that Huckleberry Finn should be in a twitter compliant length. Can we just get a color coded system in the dev threads. where we have green for "go and flash" and red for no go.Why should we be expected to read anything at all, we need a color coded system
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In my defense, I would like to point out the Miui thread.. That is not a nightly... its more or less a weekly, yet the date still remains as 5/27.
I understand the "development forum is for development purpose only and we should read the threads"... but really? Have you read through half of those posts? Like 5700000 pages of "Thanks" and "10Char"... not trying to be rude, just saying.. it would be helpful.
Why would you say that? Im not trolling dude, im just voicing an opinion. Furthermore, I never intended to disrespect you when I said "File a complaint form"... I dont know why you took it in a harsh way especially considering I put
a face afterwards.. I would think that you understand its a joke... again, I apologize for disrespecting you if you felt that way.
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lol easy now... that Trololol was for me Trolling, nothing more.... "File a Complaint forum" that wasn't me that got mad...
further more, all I was saying in retro spec was we already had one of these threads posted...
Nothing more :laugh::victory::highfive:
~Eugene
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Can we just get a color coded system in the dev threads. where we have green for "go and flash" and red for no go.Why should we be expected to read anything at all, we need a color coded system
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Because--and this is not an attack--:
Every user has different needs, and every developer has different taste. Before users go and rant about something, they should read (!) the posts in question and make their own decision based on judgment. Not on a simple color.
Reading is informative, and considering you are flashing firmware on a $200+ device I wouldn't find it wise to just blindly flash a ROM based on a color code.
Some ROMs have specific parameters and information that the developers intend users to read before using said download.
There are questions, and then there are questions that are asked a thousand times that clutter threads for no meaningful reason--especially questions that the OP already answered in the first post. We may not always have the time to update the original post for everyone. But Samsung and T-Mobile don't even have time to make a proper update for us so the trade off for whom you want support from is your choice.
Because reading is good for the mind, and it's good to know what you're doing before you do it :good:
I do agree some threads are obnoxiously long.
But if everyone closely reads a thread at its early stages, it'll stunt unnecessary growth.
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Because--and this is not an attack--:
Every user has different needs, and every developer has different taste. Before users go and rant about something, they should read (!) the posts in question and make their own decision based on judgment. Not on a simple color.
Reading is informative, and considering you are flashing firmware on a $200+ device I wouldn't find it wise to just blindly flash a ROM based on a color code.
Some ROMs have specific parameters and information that the developers intend users to read before using said download.
There are questions, and then there are questions that are asked a thousand times that clutter threads for no meaningful reason--especially questions that the OP already answered in the first post. We may not always have the time to update the original post for everyone. But Samsung and T-Mobile don't even have time to make a proper update for us so the trade off for whom you want support from is your choice.
Because reading is good for the mind, and it's good to know what you're doing before you do it :good:
I do agree some threads are obnoxiously long.
But if everyone closely reads a thread at its early stages, it'll stunt unnecessary growth.
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I was being sarcastic but it is sad that people are so demanding of devs that it could be seen as possibly a serious comment.
Your list is a good run down of reasons to read. When did we get to the point that reading more than a single paragraph is torture?
If you are about to do something to a 300+ dollar device. read a bit.
I think there's an app that will read through the entire thread and find what your looking for.... oh wait, that's what the search button does.... my bad, nevermind.
Lazy ass go through last page of thread and you will know whats going on thread. If you can't search such small thing ; go to some crazy guy from craiglist to put ROM on ur phone paying him $$.
Nobody is here to serve you meal.
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I was being sarcastic but it is sad that people are so demanding of devs that it could be seen as possibly a serious comment.
Your list is a good run down of reasons to read. When did we get to the point that reading more than a single paragraph is torture?
If you are about to do something to a 300+ dollar device. read a bit.
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I blame twitter, and to the OP, are you referring to the bottom of the page where it says last updated?
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Its really not to much of an issue here. But other devices have had it bad with thread flooding.
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seriously, folks....
Did you not read any of the forum guidelines before you started posting? Did you not understand them? IF YOU AREN'T POSTING UP DEVELOPMENT MATERIAL (e.g a new ROM, a new kernel, a system hack, a new radio) STOP STARTING THREADS IN THERE.
the q and a forum is for questions.
and, if you are having an issue with a particular kernel, rom, radio, troll the thread concerning that particular item. chances are that someone else has had the problem, and that another person solved it. if it hasn't been solved, post in that thread, with specifics to your issue.
you do not need to start a thread. in fact, when you start threads that have to be moved, your leftovers have to be cleaned up behind you.
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and no, i don't need some person (db, i'm looking at you) to come in here and say "blah blah blah you're just a wanna be mod", or some other non-helpful comment. the fact of the matter is that there is a place for everything. please keep it in its place. you're more likely to find your answer by searching first, and posting in the correct place. you will also find that you are not starting a load of silly flaming as people bicker and fight about stupid crap.
Wanna be mod.
Thanks.
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I agree with you. But why do you always have to be that guy who complains about eveyones posts. It gets kinda old also.
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If more developers came in here instead of developer wanna b's answering in such a way as to post boost, then we wouldn't have to...
I personally think the PRI question should be a sticky over there until resolved...but that would be too easy I guess?
nvm.............
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I agree with you. But why do you always have to be that guy who complains about eveyones posts. It gets kinda old also.
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why am i complaining? because why should i have to sift through 8 tons of crap because someone else can't read? the development forum is busy enough. if 15 threads weren't moved every day, you'd have to sift through page after page after page of complete nonsense just to find the actual things that belong in there.
sorry. i don't have the time to baby step someone through a complex process when they don't bother to read the simple things.
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why am i complaining? because why should i have to sift through 8 tons of crap because someone else can't read? the development forum is busy enough. if 15 threads weren't moved every day, you'd have to sift through page after page after page of complete nonsense just to find the actual things that belong in there.
sorry. i don't have the time to baby step someone through a complex process when they don't bother to read the simple things.
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I did say I agree with you. But you make yourself "that guy".
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I did say I agree with you. But you make yourself "that guy".
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But "that guy" isn't alone. Lately I've noticed 8+ of us that are "those guys" and growing.
A simple analogy would be comparing parking in the handicapped space at the mall, not worth the risk so you don't... on XDA there is no risk so people park their Q's in the handicapped space (dev) all day long. Neither scenario is right, nor should be tolerated.
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seriously, folks....
Did you not read any of the forum guidelines before you started posting?...yada yada yada and blah blah blah
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I could honestly be missing the point here, but by posting your complaint in the Q&A aren't you just griping to those of us who are already in the correct place for general EVO questions instead of in the dev forum where the offenders actually are?
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If more developers came in here instead of developer wanna b's answering in such a way as to post boost, then we wouldn't have to...
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I think a developer wouldn't want to answer the question of some fool who can't even post in the right forum.
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I could honestly be missing the point here, but by posting your complaint in the Q&A aren't you just griping to those of us who are already in the correct place for general EVO questions instead of in the dev forum where the offenders actually are?
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yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
I'm with you OP, its irritating and actually disrespectful to the community
BTW, this should have been posted in dev.. lol
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yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
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I hear you and I just joined XDA not too long ago at all. A few things I learned right away:
- USE THE DAMN SEARCH BUTTON
- READ READ READ READ READ READ
- If you can't find an answer using the search button, open a new tab and Google it
- Still can't find an answer? You'd better search through the other threads before starting a new thread
- These threads wouldn't be so long if people would simply read the OP
- Kittehz r dyin cuz u dont no how 2 reed
Seriously though, I hate to see a great community become angered over lazy people. It ruins it for those of us who do heed the rules.
I am with the OP and to the persons aying if more devs came and answered there questions in QA they wouldnt ask in dev .... most of the people answering questions in DEv arent the DEVS. the DEVS are busy developing things and shouldnt be expected to waste there time answering the same 3 questions everyday all day.
Many people on the forum DO come to the Q&A and try to provide insight. Some are less helpful then others but in general you will get flamed less, you will get the answer and you wont cause issues with the "neatness" of the forums.
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yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
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Fair enough. As a seasoned XDA vet of a whopping 3 posts (including this one), I would defer to you on this issue, but I just think it looks like you're complaining to the wrong people. We're already in the Q&A which means we're already doing what you devs have been trying to get the offending posters (who are over in the dev forum) to do. They're not gonna see your OP in here because they're too busy bypassing the Q&A and heading over to Dev to annoy you guys with generic questions again.
Basically what has happened is the Evo and other somewhat likfe phones have blown up. Word spread like wildfire that XDA was the place to get any and all help with your phones. (Which don't get me wrong 99% of the people here are more then willing to help.) This brought a lot of new people on the scene and wanting information and help. Unfortunately some of those people don't want to play by the rules of the road.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like over the past couple months this is what's happened. I seem to remember another thread this was brought up and a suggestion was made about being a member for a certain period of time before being able to create a new thread. I'm not saying this needs to happen because I don't think that would solve anything actually.
Ok...my rant's over now too.
*Just my 2 cents*
I'm running SkyRaider 3.0 Vanilla RC3 on my Inc w/2.6.32.15-g5e1ad8b [email protected] #1 and today I got an Update Notification from VZW. I have read that rooted/ROM'd devices are not supposed to get, nor should they, install these updates... what should I do? How do I make it go away? Thanks...
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what should I do?
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don't install it
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How do I make it go away?
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don't know about that, but posting in the correct section might make it stop
How do these topics keep popping up? There's a damn Droid Incredible Q&A forum!
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I'm running SkyRaider 3.0 Vanilla RC3 on my Inc w/2.6.32.15-g5e1ad8b [email protected] #1 and today I got an Update Notification from VZW. I have read that rooted/ROM'd devices are not supposed to get, nor should they, install these updates... what should I do? How do I make it go away? Thanks...
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Head to My Droid World and ask, the members there don't jump down your throat for asking a question. Yes we all know you "Pros" lose a little of your soul each time someone who isn't in your league of Android superiority asks a question you already know the answer to, but really, your constant responses berating people who ask questions, "Let me Google that for you", "Search NAO!", etc, are more annoying that people asking a question that may have already been posted.
It seems many people forget how and why forums were created....to share information regarding a common interest. People use these forums to learn, and it is a great tool for it. Now sure, I agree people should do a little search before posting, it saves everyone time, but there really is an overwhelming amount of information out there, and a lot of it can be contradicting. There should not be a problem with people asking for a clear, updated answer. Also, many times when people are new to the development world, some of the answers out there just don't make sense, or aren't perfectly clear to the askers specific situation.
I recently sae a post by the Admin at AndroidForums(I think, it was a big Android site tho) directing their mods to not do this. To remember that all members should be welcomed, and there is no need for condescending attitudes towards people asking questions. Also, the people at My Droid World are the same way...they are willing to help, be it a Android vet or a "n00b". I know XDA could be considered an "advanced" development forum, but if you don't allow new members in and pass the knowledge along, it's just an elitist club rather than a community forum. There is no "community" in these kinds of attitudes.
And really, what good is "Google is your friend", "Use the Search", and related type responses. Obviously it is an ego thing, consiously or not. It doesn't help the person asking, and does nothing for the person answering, beside making them look like a jerk. Especially the people whining about having to waste so much time responding to duplicate questions. The simple answer is to NOT respond. But then their superiority isn't known to everyone. If you don't wanna help the OP out with an answer or link, and having nothing worth mentioning on the topic, just move along. Don't waste your precious time, that is obviously more important than the rest of ours, and simply move along.
Anyway, to the OP, I came here looking for similar info as well. I am using Skyraider Sense, but having the same issue. There is one thing I have noted tho. I use my DInc as a "backup", so there is no service on it. I then turned off wifi thinking that I would not get the update requests, but I still am. So I was wondering if the requests are originating locally, and if so if there is a file that could be deleted to stop the requests. However, I believe that even tho I don't have service, Verizon can still peach my phone and send me updates. There could be another explanation as well lol. But anyway, if I find anything out I will let ya know. If you don't find any answers here, check out My Droid World.
You hit the nail on the head. It would take no longer to respond with an answer (if you know it and don't just wanna appear to) as it does to appear as an all knowing elitist android asshat.
Not everyone on here eats/sleeps/dreams android, but like prob 60% or more of the people on here are journeyman or lower gadget freaks that like to play around with the newest stuff for there phone/toy.
I for one have tried many a time to find an answer to a prob I have but find it daunting when some of the threads get 100+ posts added a day.i end up dealing with the issue I'm having, doing a nandroid restore, or just changing roms b/c I don't wanna see the flame fest ill prob get for asking a question that might have been answered already in a thread with 4000 posts....
Grift said:
You hit the nail on the head. It would take no longer to respond with an answer (if you know it and don't just wanna appear to) as it does to appear as an all knowing elitist android asshat.
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Trust me when I say that these forums are anything but elitist. Also trust me when I say that evenly applied moderation would go a long way toward making these forums more productive.
Look around; do any developers (not ROM chefs!) actively visit XDA any more?
nobody told the op to search.
it doesn't take an android wiz or forum guru to read the rules and post in the correct place.
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Trust me when I say that these forums are anything but elitist. Also trust me when I say that evenly applied moderation would go a long way toward making these forums more productive.
Look around; do any developers (not ROM chefs!) actively visit XDA any more?
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This coming from someone who over half of his posts are nothing more than bashing blackdroid or other forum members, how does that help the community? Posting in the correct section makes it more productive. How hard is it to post a QUESTION in the "QUESTION & ANSWER" section?
I told him not to install the update because it would make him possibly lose root and other things. I told him I did not know about the other half of the question that he was asking, but that it would be much better if he asked it in the proper section. (and if you can't take a little sarcasm over the internet... i don't know how long you will make it in life)
I'm sorry I posted in the wrong section... Months ago, when I found this site I bookmarked the "Droid Incredible Android Development" thread directly. I didn't think to click back one link to the "HTC Droid Incredible" thread to see other sections... I have done searches before, but spend WAY to much time sifting through post after meaningless post. I don't have hours to spend reading threw thousands of posts to find an answer...
I did find a resolution though without the help of anyone here... using ROM Manager, I dl'd the latest Virtuous ROM = problem solved.
At least I know now where to post a question... thanks for that.
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This coming from someone who over half of his posts are nothing more than bashing blackdroid or other forum members, how does that help the community? Posting in the correct section makes it more productive. How hard is it to post a QUESTION in the "QUESTION & ANSWER" section?
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Whoa, I'm in complete agreement with you.
RE: Backdroid - one would thinly there would be agreement amongst community members that his brand of dishonesty and disingenuous mea culpas would be unwelcome.
The WinMo threads I used to lurk on here aactually contained development (read: coding) talk. The Android subforums seem to be all about clamoring for themes and conflating ROM cooking with development. I expected a similarly articulate set of users here.
Moved to Q&A as not development.
Posting questions in the right place keeps everything organised, and makes it easy to find people needing help.
Don't post questions in the development forum, and remember to search thoroughly before posting. This kind of thing regarding OTA updates is addressed in virtually every device forum on XDA.
Finally, finish with the flaming guys.
I see people using different kernels with different roms. Why so many kernels and whats their use?
Kernels basically run the back end of your phone. A lot of people make different/ update the kernels because they find a different way to improve battery life and make the phone run smoother and faster. Also, SBC kernels implement trickle charging which makes it so your phone is at or near a 100% when you take it off the charger
This question belongs in the Q&A section, not in the development section.
it posts in the correct section for starters....or does some research as this question has been asked a million times already
Looks like XDA needs to make a 20 post min now.
This is going to by my new trademark...
ROM Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Oh, and please post your new kernel that you must be developing. I must have missed that somewhere in the OP.
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This is going to by my new trademark...
ROM Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Oh, and please post your new kernel that you must be developing. I must have missed that somewhere in the OP.
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Better late than never, I suppose Quoting because I like Big Red chewing gum.
Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didnt know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didn't know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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This made me LMAO!!! All that had to be said was, "Hey this is the wrong section, do a search in the Q&A forum and if you can't find it let people know you aren't having any luck with searching and someone should be able to point you in the right direction." Instead you get "**** OFF FNG!!!!" Good reason to stay apart of XDA huh. But of course everyone is a hard ass on the internet, duh.
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Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didnt know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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There are many forum police. You can either abide by their law or be stoned.
bostonsbrash2 said:
Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didnt know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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Wow, you got us. To stick with your lunch table metaphor, imagine this subforum as a lunch table in a cafeteria. You and your friends are enjoying a nice conversation when out of nowhere 500 people run to your table and start vomiting all over it.
This subforum is set up so that they don't need to sticky legitimate development threads. Instead, they created other subforums for questions like these.
Yeah, it looks kind of bad when ten people run in going "wrong forum! wrong forum!," but they're trying to help in whatever way they can since this forum doesn't have a downvoting system.
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This made me LMAO!!! All that had to be said was, "Hey this is the wrong section, do a search in the Q&A forum and if you can't find it let people know you aren't having any luck with searching and someone should be able to point you in the right direction." Instead you get "**** OFF FNG!!!!" Good reason to stay apart of XDA huh. But of course everyone is a hard ass on the internet, duh.
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Your skill in 'White Knight' increases by 0.3.
Level up! You are now 'White Knight' Level 02.
One more reason people dont come to XDA anymore..... good job the the seasoned "grumps" who at one point asked questions as well. You guys have forgotten what the forums are all about and why your here.... FAIL.
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One more reason people dont come to XDA anymore..... good job the the seasoned "grumps" who at one point asked questions as well. You guys have forgotten what the forums are all about and why your here.... FAIL.
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Rule number 1
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
there's ALWAYS new thread's by someone that doesnt search, whether new to forums in general or just didnt take the time to search.. steer them in the right direction rather than away from the forums...
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agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
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well if he had to ask what a kernel is and what it does then at least we know if he doesn't come back the Development section won't be losing a great asset lol
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This made me LMAO!!! All that had to be said was, "Hey this is the wrong section, do a search in the Q&A forum and if you can't find it let people know you aren't having any luck with searching and someone should be able to point you in the right direction." Instead you get "**** OFF FNG!!!!" Good reason to stay apart of XDA huh. But of course everyone is a hard ass on the internet, duh.
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This is my theory... maybe this will scare and annoy people enough that they will actually think twice and possibly search before posting in the wrong section. They should be scared to come in here and start a thread about a non-development topic.
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Wow, you got us. To stick with your lunch table metaphor, imagine this subforum as a lunch table in a cafeteria. You and your friends are enjoying a nice conversation when out of nowhere 500 people run to your table and start vomiting all over it.
This subforum is set up so that they don't need to sticky legitimate development threads. Instead, they created other subforums for questions like these.
Yeah, it looks kind of bad when ten people run in going "wrong forum! wrong forum!," but they're trying to help in whatever way they can since this forum doesn't have a downvoting system.
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LMAO!!! +609783469078409 on this post, sir!
Comrade P said:
Rule number 1
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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QFT
klubhead said:
agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
there's ALWAYS new thread's by someone that doesnt search, whether new to forums in general or just didnt take the time to search.. steer them in the right direction rather than away from the forums...
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My post actually clarified what this section was for. I think it should be clear enough where NOT to post topics like this. I think it was helpful
deathsled said:
well if he had to ask what a kernel is and what it does then at least we know if he doesn't come back the Development section won't be losing a great asset lol
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Exactly.
klubhead said:
agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
there's ALWAYS new thread's by someone that doesnt search, whether new to forums in general or just didnt take the time to search.. steer them in the right direction rather than away from the forums...
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Spoken like a true White Knight. +1 to your Divine powers.
jeebuz.....
Way off topic, lock the thread already...
If it were one person, people probably wouldn't jump all over you, but its multiple threads daily, so people are a little less patient.
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Is it just me or shouldn't be mandatory to have the dates entered in the titles of threads in the development sections? I know it's mandatory throughout many other device forums, I'm not sure why it isn't on this one, and others that I've seen. I believe is makes everything much easier to follow rather than a sling of rom names and / or version numbers, etc.
I'm on the fence on this because I'm so appreciative of the Devs who support the T989 with quality Roms.
On one hand I think they should run their threads however they like with reason but on the other it would make keeping up with development a whole lot easier.
I remember when the ICS leak dropped I was all kinds of confused (still am a little) on their update frequencies. This made it a bit more difficult to pinpoint a Devs work ethic (which I factor in as well as quality) because it was untimely coupled with posts from anybody bumping threads up for any reason.
M&S has one of the best titles to his threads because he updates the date, and Rom version with titles so I can't miss his from a mile away.
With that said it would be nice to have dates (especially for those who don't frequent XDA daily) or in the least change the Rom versions in the title.
I don't mind searching but it would be quicker/efficient for dates.
Can you imagine when TMob drops the official ICS...
Not sure how Dates will help? Revision is just the same, forcing a Date to be Posted wont make the Revision any newer...
this is imo that is, most times you can just check the last time the posted was edited to know when it was last updated.
eugene373 said:
Not sure how Dates will help? Revision is just the same, forcing a Date to be Posted wont make the Revision any newer...
this is imo that is, most times you can just check the last time the posted was edited to know when it was last updated.
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I don't mind searching a bit to see an OP's timestamp edits.
However, the dates imo help with breaking down a Rom's status quicker by scrolling the forum threads by title without much digging than that.
I think the dates would help those who aren't on XDA much because they can catch up quicker on Rom changes.
Also, I think it's easier for those use the XDA app primarily because (as far as I've searched) it doesn't readily show timestamps for edits in OPs.
I don't view titling threads with dates as increasing development speeds just readily available info. I hope others don't as well, cause great things come over time
The devs don't do enough already...lets add more BS. Dl
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you don't like version number but you want dates. that does not make sense. moving forward a date, is the same as moving up a version number.
Why do all the regular users here keep thinking they know how the show should be run for us devs. We're doing our part for you guys, just do yours and deal with our threads they way we choose to set them up.
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you don't like version number but you want dates. that does not make sense. moving forward a date, is the same as moving up a version number.
Why do all the regular users here keep thinking they know how the show should be run for us devs. We're doing our part for you guys, just do yours and deal with our threads they way we choose to set them up.
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I'm especially amused by this considering the hell storm when the mods tried regulating how regular users post in dev threads
eugene373 said:
Not sure how Dates will help? Revision is just the same, forcing a Date to be Posted wont make the Revision any newer...
this is imo that is, most times you can just check the last time the posted was edited to know when it was last updated.
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the only difference between last modified on the op and a date in the title is that last modified could be fixing a typo or something. imo, revision number is just as good, but one or the other is/should be necessary because just checking the thread title is easy (i.e. i'm lazy). though, some revision numbers are inconsistent. and a date usually makes it easy to tell if something is based off the newest leak or not (which THAT should be mandatory: the android version number and the build/leak it's based off cause i've seen a bunch of roms missing that basic info in the op).
Imposing too many rules on devs who provide a free service is a bad idea. Leave things the way they are.
I vote no.
I think it should be mandatory for users to open a thread and read the op and changelog before asking if there was an update. Derp.
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suggesting rules on someone who is giving away something for free ......
well im sure you can get my drift.
be thankful, and do a little more reading.
To add with previous comment. There is no need to cater to people who want to flash a ROM without reading OP. ROM Manager tried to do this and all that ended up happening is people bricking their device because they got used to flashing without reading and as soon as a International s2 ROM was accidently posted in t989 rom section you had people bricking.
I vote no, the developers can choose to post and manage their threads how they see fit....besides...its not that hard to open up the thread and look at the bottom of the OP and see the last time it was updated...
Yes, yes and yes. Why is it a big deal to let people know by looking at a thread title when it was updated? Why make someone open a thread and search for when it was revised? If you are putting a revision number in there, why not a date? It is not so much imposing a rule as it is a valid suggestion to help the end user. Is it really that big of a request that someone would stop developing because they were asked to put a date in the title? Getting real tired of hearing all the crying about devs doing this for free as well. If you are going to post work on a forum you are going to get requests, you may get criticism, you will definitely get repeat questions and people that have no clue. Yes it is free, and it is on your own time and all that, but no one is forcing anyone to come here either.
I do appreciate the work that is done here, I would probably still be using a cry phone if it wasn't for this community and having the ability to customize my device. So thank you to all the devs that do this because they enjoy doing it.
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Yes, yes and yes. Why is it a big deal to let people know by looking at a thread title when it was updated? Why make someone open a thread and search for when it was revised? If you are putting a revision number in there, why not a date? It is not so much imposing a rule as it is a valid suggestion to help the end user. Is it really that big of a request that someone would stop developing because they were asked to put a date in the title? Getting real tired of hearing all the crying about devs doing this for free as well. If you are going to post work on a forum you are going to get requests, you may get criticism, you will definitely get repeat questions and people that have no clue. Yes it is free, and it is on your own time and all that, but no one is forcing anyone to come here either.
I do appreciate the work that is done here, I would probably still be using a cry phone if it wasn't for this community and having the ability to customize my device. So thank you to all the devs that do this because they enjoy doing it.
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Appreciate the honesty as opposed to voting one way and posting another.
On the other hand I do think its funny but not unexpected that people think it is asking too much to ask people to posts only dev related information in dev topics or not post duplicate questions (ie read before posting) but its not too much to ask for a new rule on devs.
Gimme gimme gimme some more.
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I'm especially amused by this considering the hell storm when the mods tried regulating how regular users post in dev threads
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posting trash in dev threads and not being arsed to read thread edit dates and track version numbers of development that interests you are two different things, but both bad habits that users could possess
the fact that every dev posts a change log just makes this suggest even more ridiculous.
Keep micromanaging the devs to death and they will just go elsewhere. It is the truth.
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posting trash in dev threads and not being arsed to read thread edit dates and track version numbers of development that interests you are two different things, but both bad habits that users could possess
the fact that every dev posts a change log just makes this suggest even more ridiculous.
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If the last few weeks have proven anything it is that people dont see those things as bad habits but things to be proud of.
After further deliberation I vote: No
To me Roms/Kernels/etc are like cars/engines/etc. if one is given either for free and it has been proven worldwide that it wont hurt one who uses it...
Wouldn't the model info be enough... I believe so.
Eugene's right, it's not like dates make it fresher.
In fact I think threads without it gives the Rom/Kernel/etc. timelessness.
I love Android/T989 forums.
Its where questions/comments are met with... passion.
Those IOS forums have no clue what they're missing out on. lol
People seem to forget that xda is a knowledge sharing site and those that share shouldn't be slapped with stupid rules and regulations on how they choose to title their work. My 2 cents.
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Hi guys! I deliver this phone yesterday.
It uses stock 2.3.5 and I want to upgrade a newer version.
I see many roms but really do not know which to use with.
As for my expectations from rom. I need as everybody stability, performance and good battery life.
I need your opinions.
From now thanx for your advices.
If you bothered to read any stickied thread in this forum you'd have an answer for this.. It amazes me how not one person reads forum rules or stickies before asking the same question daily...
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NFleck said:
If you bothered to read any stickied thread in this forum you'd have an answer for this.. It amazes me how not one person reads forum rules or stickies before asking the same question daily...
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Reading stickies/forum rules aside; if you're gonna ask a question that's been asked a hundred times before, why not, at the very least, revive one of the multiple dozens of threads where that question has been asked already instead of creating more useless clutter in an already irreparably cluttered board?
Hey, at least he's not asking how to root, or what's with the error after flashing CWM over official ICS
Lol. Yeah that's true.. Its funny if you go back to the sub forum there's (estimate without actually checking) probably about 5 asking what's the best ROM, or how do I root.. Meanwhile there's like 2 or 3 stickies explaining it... In the same exact page!
Um all for forum activity, and a live forum is definitely better than a dead one but come on people seriously.. I'm not trying to be a jerk and sorry if it comes off that way but I've only been a registered member for not even a year and it does get frustrating. Just try to read some posts before making a dumb one.. If you have a question its pretty much guaranteed its been answered.
The forum rules, which are actually a global announcement if I'm not mistaken; clearly state that if you're too lazy to experiment with the ROMs and find out for yourself which one is best then this isn't the right place for you.. And I wholeheartedly agree. I've only had the p930 since last November or so and I've been testing ROMs since day one and I've never once had to ask how to root or which ROM to use... That's the whole fun/enjoyment of android dev IMO.
There's my two cents. If you honestly still can't find an answer then there's probably no hope. Get a friend to mod your phone.. Lol
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Lol. Yeah that's true.. Its funny if you go back to the sub forum there's (estimate without actually checking) probably about 5 asking what's the best ROM, or how do I root.. Meanwhile there's like 2 or 3 stickies explaining it... In the same exact page!
Um all for forum activity, and a live forum is definitely better than a dead one but come on people seriously.. I'm not trying to be a jerk and sorry if it comes off that way but I've only been a registered member for not even a year and it does get frustrating. Just try to read some posts before making a dumb one.. If you have a question its pretty much guaranteed its been answered.
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My conclusion is that the "Search this forum" box doesn't seem to appear for 95% of the people... I mean, that's the only logical explanation, right?
lordcheeto03 said:
My conclusion is that the "Search this forum" box doesn't seem to appear for 95% of the people... I mean, that's the only logical explanation, right?
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Seems that way eh...
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I asked a simple question, and need an opinion. Absolutely I had searched the forum,
there are so many different q/a posts. I have just confused.
Yes. I don't ask how to root or flash. I'm not new on android.
Maybe I know more than you think.
I this is the way you help other peoples who need help.
This is your satisfactionary.
If you don't want to help, just don't type anything. Let it be blank,
So may the others can share their opinions.
And I didn't post for you to chat here. You can send eachother pm (acording your thoughts) about people who want an opinion.
Btw. I don't need your opinion.
ibrahim244 said:
I asked a simple question, and need an opinion. Absolutely I had searched the forum,
there are so many different q/a posts. I have just confused.
Yes. I don't ask how to root or flash. I'm not new on android.
Maybe I know more than you think.
I this is the way you help other peoples who need help.
This is your satisfactionary.
If you don't want to help, just don't type anything. Let it be blank,
So may the others can share their opinions.
And I didn't post for you to chat here. You can send eachother pm (acording your thoughts) about people who want an opinion.
Btw. I don't need your opinion.
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Look, I'm glad to have you as a part of the community; there is not one single person who shouldn't be a part of what we have here. All I'm saying is that, instead of posting a new thread to ask a question that has been thoroughly covered in multiple other threads; why not, at the very least, revive an old thread for this purpose instead of adding more clutter to an already cluttered board? It's posts like this which are the reason that there are "already so many different q/a posts."
I never said or implied that you were new to Android, and I never once said or implied that you were ignorant when it comes to Android devices. Believe me, I'm far from knowing anywhere near what I would like to know; but I guarantee you that almost every single question that has been, and will be asked on this board has already been covered multiple times; including "which rom is best". The development section has discussions covering the bugs and gremlins for every ROM released for this device via XDA. No real need to read every single page of each threads, just skim the last few pages and you'll get an idea of where the ROMs stand in their current form.
With that being said, I DO apologize for being a complete jackass and for the tone which I put across; but the sentiment remains.
Also, I have put forth an answer buried in my reply here; although it is a little verbose and requires you to do a little more leg-work to form your own opinion... which is what counts the most.
The answers you seek are on the very page you posted this in...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206596
^ There you go.
If you want the latest Android experience (4.22), the best all around bet is probably the unofficial PAC-ROM + Wind kernel 1.7 or 1.8. Bluetooth works pretty well, I think the only bugs are the other common CM10.1 ones- 1080p recording crashes, hitting the power button while in the camera app crashes. If you don't care about bluetooth and just want speed and battery, check out JellyBAM- it is slightly less stable than PAC but it flies.
If you are ok with ICS (4.0X) then HO!NO!'s CM9, Liquid Nitro or HO!NO!'s V20f are solid.
But in the future, search around and do a lot of research before posting a question- on most forums it annoys the members to be answering the same questions repeatedly
OP no, just try for yourself....