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Samsung KNOX - will it end ROOTING?

Samsung KNOX will be on the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition
As this is security software will this prevent this device from being able to be rooted??
Here is a short video interview talking about Knox...... See what you think about the new software. Pay attention to the part that talks about only apps purchased or obtained from Samsung will work in the Knox environment.

You will be able to turn Knox on and off I assume

asaqwert said:
You will be able to turn Knox on and off I assume
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This just appears to be the Android version of Windows 8's secureboot and I'd assume would be able to be turned off just like Secureboot.

There's always a way around. XDA had smart members
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i wouldn't be opposed to cracking open the device and soldering a chip if that's what we end up having to do. with the blown efuses and such with the verizon s4 i wonder if we'll end up doing just that.

Knox update.
Here is a post by ChainFire.
He talks about rooting, eFuse blowing and voiding the warranty.
More info was posted here ....... read post #33.
What are your thoughts on rooting your GNote 2014.
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Just incase you have been underground for the last few weeks, but we are rooted…
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Bizack said:
Just incase you have been underground for the last few weeks, but we are rooted…
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True, but it trips Knox, and we don't know if Samsung will not honor the warranty if it's tripped.

zepfan221 said:
True, but it trips Knox, and we don't know if Samsung will not honor the warranty if it's tripped.
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We don't? I was under the impression a tripped fuse equals a voided warranty. And let's be fair here, Samsung is a big company, and company's don't become big by playing fair, so i wouldn't be surprised if the rumours are true
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Triangle away working for Note 3

TriangleAway 3.25 Now Supports Android 4.4 on the Galaxy S 4 and Note 3! http://drippler.com/updates/share/triangleaway-325-now-supports-android-44-galaxy-s-4-and-note-3 Via j.mp/drippler_app
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Hmmmmmmmm
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What's the point of resetting the flash counter when the KNOX e-fuse, by definition, will also be tripped, and can't be reset? None that I can see.

zmore said:
What's the point of resetting the flash counter when the KNOX e-fuse, by definition, will also be tripped, and can't be reset? None that I can see.
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You are right but the fact that chain fire got flash to reset means he still working on it. With the official 4.4.2 coming out he might be able to do Knox reset. Not that it matter cause we will still root.
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But isn't knox motherboard related? The e-fuse
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No app can magically go in to the guts of your phone and fix it lol
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From my understanding it's not an actual efuse, it's electronic, so it can be reset.
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O yea??? Awesome
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Don't quote me on that, I did read it from a pretty credible source here at xda...
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Warrior1975 said:
Don't quote me on that, I did read it from a pretty credible source here at xda...
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Samsung Engineer stated outright that it was a hardware efuse and once blown, that's that. If I were you, I wouldn't hold out hope....

I know what he said but he also works for them. I think someone will find a way to bypass the efuse
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Compusmurf said:
Samsung Engineer stated outright that it was a hardware efuse and once blown, that's that. If I were you, I wouldn't hold out hope....
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And multiple people who had their phones serviced got them back from Samsung Service with the KNOX flag set to 0x0. It's software. It's just very clever software that Samsung won't tell us how it works.

siraltus said:
And multiple people who had their phones serviced got them back from Samsung Service with the KNOX flag set to 0x0. It's software. It's just very clever software that Samsung won't tell us how it works.
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Lol, that just means they got back a refurb that was never tripped in the first place.

Sorry but they can reset the counter, I sent my phone in for repair of bad SD card, knox was tripped and it came back reset, same phone, same serial number and shell.

the-Mike_D said:
Lol, that just means they got back a refurb that was never tripped in the first place.
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And you know this how, speaking with such authority? Do you work for Samsung?

siraltus said:
And you know this how, speaking with such authority? Do you work for Samsung?
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No but doing microsurgery to repair an efuse isn't plausible. The only two choices would be a totally different refurb being sent back or a replaced motherboard if knox wasn't tripped. If the data and serial was all the same (which I honestly have a hard time believing) then that means Samsung had started using data cloning. But that's just far fetched because there's no reason to clone the serial and the data is usually junked and the customer knows this if the device is sent for repair and the repair requires replacement of core components. But anyway, that's just an educated guess. Agree or disagree, it's all good.

Compusmurf said:
Samsung Engineer stated outright that it was a hardware efuse and once blown, that's that. If I were you, I wouldn't hold out hope....
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Samsung also said that the kit kat update did not break 3rd party accessory compatibility (namely sview) but it did, and they knew it, and they got caught in the lie and are pushing a fix to make 3rd party stuff work again... sooooooo... could be the same with the efuse. then again, maybe not, but who knows.

the-Mike_D said:
No but doing microsurgery to repair an efuse isn't plausible. The only two choices would be a totally different refurb being sent back or a replaced motherboard if knox wasn't tripped. If the data and serial was all the same (which I honestly have a hard time believing) then that means Samsung had started using data cloning. But that's just far fetched because there's no reason to clone the serial and the data is usually junked and the customer knows this if the device is sent for repair and the repair requires replacement of core components. But anyway, that's just an educated guess. Agree or disagree, it's all good.
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Uhh... they whole point we're making is that it's NOT an eFuse and that Samsung has a way to reset it. They contradict themselves all the time in their public statements (one department doesn't know what another is doing - completely common in huge corporations, I know, I work for one), so I'm pretty sure they were wrong on that too. Just because Chainfire or others couldn't find a way to reset it themselves doesn't mean a way doesn't exist - we just don't know it.

Look guys, think from an engineering stand point off view. I am a electrical engineer. If I was on samsung enginerring team I would not make knox a efuse when blown you would need to replace a whole mother board or something for a small thing. Samsung knows knox is not for everyone. Therefore I am sure knox thing is resettable and for now samsung only knows how to reset it.
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topgun303 said:
Look guys, think from an engineering stand point off view. I am a electrical engineer. If I was on samsung enginerring team I would not make knox a efuse when blown you would need to replace a whole mother board or something for a small thing. Samsung knows knox is not for everyone. Therefore I am sure knox thing is resettable and for now samsung only knows how to reset it.
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Let me just work for samsung and find out (joke) lol

atlzonly89 said:
Let me just work for samsung and find out (joke) lol
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Lmao the note 3 looks massive on you
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Just got my replacement phone and....

It unfortunatly came with knox... now what if i dont care to trip knox... will having knox effect the way i glash roms... or can i even flash roms? [Ive searched everywhere for my answer and all i get is mixed answers...] some say i cant flash with knox... others are talking in threads like they tripped knox and flashing roms... HELP PLEASE... thanks in advanceee!
btw from all the reading i ha e done it seems that a "Tripped knox counter" only affects the ppl sending it thru repair and not warrenty... please if someone can shed light on this... again... thanks in advance!
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Knox doesn't prevent you from rooting or flashing ROM.
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Thanks but what about warranty rejecting the phone because of Knox or is it only for repair by the way I'm in New Jersey
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Slicktune said:
Thanks but what about warranty rejecting the phone because of Knox or is it only for repair by the way I'm in New Jersey
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Your warrenty (The phone no longer powers on, send me a new one) is voided by tripping Knox.
Your insurance (The $9 a month you may or may not pay for damage or loss) is not voided.
Please search next time. There are literally 30 threads asking this exact question. Searching avoids filling up the forum with repeated questions, which makes finding unique questions more difficult.

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Knox doesn't prevent you from rooting or flashing ROM.
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Opps but ive updated to tmobile stock 4.4.2... does this mean i cant root? ive searched everywhere for the answer but it seems like ppl just started updating....
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Skipjacks said:
Your warrenty (The phone no longer powers on, send me a new one) is voided by tripping Knox.
Your insurance (The $9 a month you may or may not pay for damage or loss) is not voided.
Please search next time. There are literally 30 threads asking this exact question. Searching avoids filling up the forum with repeated questions, which makes finding unique questions more difficult.
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The warranty is not voided if you void Knox I did and I was running custom u sent mine in after it broke and they sent me a new one because it was still under warranty
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spyke1999 said:
The warranty is not voided if you void Knox I did and I was running custom u sent mine in after it broke and they sent me a new one because it was still under warranty
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Let me rephrase that...
Tripping knox is SUPPOSED to void your warrenty. Many people are finding that Samsung/T Mobile aren't properly checking the Knox status with a warrenty claim and are honoring the warrenties anyway. But it's not a guarentee.

Skipjacks said:
Let me rephrase that...
Tripping knox is SUPPOSED to void your warrenty. Many people are finding that Samsung/T Mobile aren't properly checking the Knox status with a warrenty claim and are honoring the warrenties anyway. But it's not a guarentee.
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I hear that tmobile doesn't care much seems it's more of a Samsung thing
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spyke1999 said:
I hear that tmobile doesn't care much seems it's more of a Samsung thing
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T Mobile is going to care once Samsung stops saying Knox tripped phones back from T Mobile. Remember, it's not T Mobile that is repairing the borken devices are reselling them as refurbished. Samsung is still doing that. T Mobile just asks as a middle man in that process. The warrenty is still Samsung's. And when Samsung tells T Mobile they won't accept any more knox tripped phones, T Mobile is going to start checking more closely.
That said, the warrenty is still invalid per the user agreement with Knox tripped. T Mobile could decide tomorrow or 6 months from now to start checking. If they do they are well within the law to deny a warrenty claim on a knox tripped phone. Just because they are ignoring it now doesn't mean they have to.

Skipjacks said:
T Mobile is going to care once Samsung stops saying Knox tripped phones back from T Mobile. REmember, it's not
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That will suck
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Slicktune said:
Opps but ive updated to tmobile stock 4.4.2... does this mean i cant root? ive searched everywhere for the answer but it seems like ppl just started updating....
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No?
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As of right now no.
There will need to be a new modified tar image or other loop whole to get root.

How To Root M919UVUFNB4 Android 4.4.2 KitKat On T-Mobile Galaxy S4 SGH-M919
http://true-android.blogspot.com/2014/03/root-m919uvufnb4-t-mobile-galaxy-s4.html

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How To Root M919UVUFNB4 Android 4.4.2 KitKat On T-Mobile Galaxy S4 SGH-M919
http://true-android.blogspot.com/2014/03/root-m919uvufnb4-t-mobile-galaxy-s4.html
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I love you... youre my hero... lol thanks
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Slicktune said:
I love you... youre my hero... lol thanks
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You're very welcome! If I were you though, I would wait and see that it is a confirmed "working" method. So many variables involved, like KNOX, better to be safe than sorry.

I have a friend that manages tmobile. He said that mobile CANNOT refuse an issured costumer. Because there is signed documents before Knox was even in the picture... If someone tries to refuse it. Tell them to show you some type of paper work that you have signed that says so. Or ask them to pull up your original. Contract/ or the insurance rules from day one.
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I have a friend that manages tmobile. He said that mobile CANNOT refuse an issured costumer. Because there is signed documents before Knox was even in the picture... If someone tries to refuse it. Tell them to show you some type of paper work that you have signed that says so. Or ask them to pull up your original. Contract/ or the insurance rules from day one.
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And if that doesn't work, you can call the Insurance Commission in your state. Every state has one. They regulate ALL insurance matters.
The T Mobile insurance is just a normal property and casualty policy. Insurance commissions do not play around and they have absolute authority in a state to force an insurance company to pay a claim if you can prove they have no valid reason to deny it.
I am a licensed insurance rep in several states and I have dealt with insurance commissions all over the country. So I am absolutely positive about this. Every state has a process to dispute a denial for any policy, no matter how small.
All that said, I doubt you would ever have to fake it that far. Especially since the policy covers loss as much as damage. If they did deny the claim, just lose it and file the claim as a loss.
Now the warrenty is a whole different animal that is covered very differently. All different rules and hardly any governmental protections.
Sent from your phone. You should be more careful where you leave that thing.

Tmobile Knox

Does tmobile check the knox count, because I want to root but im not sure and if so can someone supply a link to root 4.4.2 please
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MrPapito429 said:
Does tmobile check the knox count, because I want to root but im not sure and if so can someone supply a link to root 4.4.2 please
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Do they check it for what? They won't just show up to your house to inspect it. But if you send it back with a warrent yclaim they could potentially deny it based on Knox. That hasn't been happening much so far, but they technically could.
Please use the search feature to find how to root. The information is readily accessible.

Skipjacks said:
Do they check it for what? They won't just show up to your house to inspect it. But if you send it back with a warrent yclaim they could potentially deny it based on Knox. That hasn't been happening much so far, but they technically could.
Please use the search feature to find how to root. The information is readily accessible.
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I mean like if I turn it in for the jump to get the s5, I already have a warranty and insurance but if I root and then unroot, will tmobile check the knox count?
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MrPapito429 said:
I mean like if I turn it in for the jump to get the s5, I already have a warranty and insurance but if I root and then unroot, will tmobile check the knox count?
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Probably not.
The S4 you trade in will get factory refurbished anyway and (theoretically) have firmware completely reflashed, which will wipe KNOX out, letting them resell that phone as a refurb. (No, you can't do that by reflashing firmware. But Samsung can.)
So T Mobile is unlikely to care. And the guy working the T Mobile store is unlikely to even know to check about KNOX.

Fears and Rooting

I have always rooted my phones. I've walked out of the Sprint store and rooted my last phone after getting a refurbed phone from insurance. This time with my new note 4, it seems different. I am half afraid to because of the Knox tripping. What happens if say in 1 year my phone has some sort of issue and I need to turn it back in for insurance? Before I just un-rooted and took it back in. Now there is no reverse for the knox. I could really care less for the knox and have no need for it.
Any suggestions for calming my fear?

jeepers128 said:
I have always rooted my phones. I've walked out of the Sprint store and rooted my last phone after getting a refurbed phone from insurance. This time with my new note 4, it seems different. I am half afraid to because of the Knox tripping. What happens if say in 1 year my phone has some sort of issue and I need to turn it back in for insurance? Before I just un-rooted and took it back in. Now there is no reverse for the knox. I could really care less for the knox and have no need for it.
Any suggestions for calming my fear?
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I'm in the same boat as you man. This is the 1st device I haven't rooted in many years. The main reason that I'm not is I'm on the easy pay plan so in one years time I walk in to sprint, hand them this, pay the taxes which are next to nothing, and walk out with the note 5. So long as I don't mess with it. Which btw so far if you do root you will trip Knox and currently there is no way to reverse it. I'm kinda ok with it with this device though as I had the Note 2 before this running cm11 and while it was good something always went wrong somewhere. I'd take a pic and the phone would freeze or something and never ended up getting the pic/vid so it's kinda nice having a device as good as this and everything actually works.
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t4d73 said:
I'm in the same boat as you man. This is the 1st device I haven't rooted in many years. The main reason that I'm not is I'm on the easy pay plan so in one years time I walk in to sprint, hand them this, pay the taxes which are next to nothing, and walk out with the note 5. So long as I don't mess with it. Which btw so far if you do root you will trip Knox and currently there is no way to reverse it. I'm kinda ok with it with this device though as I had the Note 2 before this running cm11 and while it was good something always went wrong somewhere. I'd take a pic and the phone would freeze or something and never ended up getting the pic/vid so it's kinda nice having a device as good as this and everything actually works.
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I didn't or haven't yet added $10.00 early upgrade option to my account. Frankly I forgot about it until you mentioned it.

t4d73 said:
I'm in the same boat as you man. This is the 1st device I haven't rooted in many years. The main reason that I'm not is I'm on the easy pay plan so in one years time I walk in to sprint, hand them this, pay the taxes which are next to nothing, and walk out with the note 5. So long as I don't mess with it. Which btw so far if you do root you will trip Knox and currently there is no way to reverse it. I'm kinda ok with it with this device though as I had the Note 2 before this running cm11 and while it was good something always went wrong somewhere. I'd take a pic and the phone would freeze or something and never ended up getting the pic/vid so it's kinda nice having a device as good as this and everything actually works.
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To my knowledge tripping KNOX does not affect your upgrade eligibility. The policy simply says the phone must still be in good condition. That is all. They just want to be able to sell it a refurb and they can actually have it sent to Samsung and have KNOX reset. It can be done with JTAG equipment and knowing which bit needs to be flipped.

Solarenemy68 said:
To my knowledge tripping KNOX does not affect your upgrade eligibility. The policy simply says the phone must still be in good condition. That is all. They just want to be able to sell it a refurb and they can actually have it sent to Samsung and have KNOX reset. It can be done with JTAG equipment and knowing which bit needs to be flipped.
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Maybe. But they did say they cannot accept a rooted device. Whether or not they actually knew what they were talking about I don't really know. But there are ways to bring it back to stock though.
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t4d73 said:
I'm in the same boat as you man. This is the 1st device I haven't rooted in many years. The main reason that I'm not is I'm on the easy pay plan so in one years time I walk in to sprint, hand them this, pay the taxes which are next to nothing, and walk out with the note 5. So long as I don't mess with it. Which btw so far if you do root you will trip Knox and currently there is no way to reverse it. I'm kinda ok with it with this device though as I had the Note 2 before this running cm11 and while it was good something always went wrong somewhere. I'd take a pic and the phone would freeze or something and never ended up getting the pic/vid so it's kinda nice having a device as good as this and everything actually works.
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I'm on the easy pay plan
I rooted the same day i got it
Nothing to be afraid of sprint doesn't check if you're rooted or not
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I'm a technician for Sprint and it isn't that big of a deal since we can just flash it all back to stock. And for upgrade purposes the reps in my store don't even know what rooting is so it shouldn't be a huge issue for that either.
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tjward5489 said:
I'm a technician for Sprint and it isn't that big of a deal since we can just flash it all back to stock. And for upgrade purposes the reps in my store don't even know what rooting is so it shouldn't be a huge issue for that either.
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Thanks. That's good to know. I've rooted and flashed many custom roms for years but never really knew that end of it. What about the KNOX tripping thing? I thought I heard before here on xda of people all of a sudden getting whacked with a $400 or so hit on their bills because they messed with their devices. Any insight on that? Or is that a non issue these days?
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I've not heard that charge before.

jeepers128 said:
I've not heard that charge before.
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Yeah I'm not even sure how true that is. I think I'm gonna root tonight. If anything I'll at least be able to get rid of all the damn ads on this thing. That's one of the most annoying things about not being rooted. Lol.
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t4d73 said:
Yeah I'm not even sure how true that is. I think I'm gonna root tonight. If anything I'll at least be able to get rid of all the damn ads on this thing. That's one of the most annoying things about not being rooted. Lol.
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I think I am going to root it too!

jeepers128 said:
I think I am going to root it too!
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Just make sure you know how to fix/solve issues should they arise.
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t4d73 said:
Just make sure you know how to fix/solve issues should they arise.
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What problems are you talking about? I've rooted a lot of phones over the years. Just wasn't sure about knox. Otherwise it was a go!

jeepers128 said:
What problems are you talking about? I've rooted a lot of phones over the years. Just wasn't sure about knox. Otherwise it was a go!
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rooting itself causes no problems. -_- Problems arise when you start using titanium backup or removing apks manually, and you don't know EXACTLY what they do. Many resources out there will tell you, and sometimes a friendly question in a thread may solve your problems quickly. One good lol for you is : If you use xposed thats typically going to get blamed first for your issues xD

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What problems are you talking about? I've rooted a lot of phones over the years. Just wasn't sure about knox. Otherwise it was a go!
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What he said. ^^
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Im a sales rep at a sprint store and I can say with certainty that we do not check to see if a phone is rooted when we do a giveback on them. honestly the only thing we check is if it turns on and if the screen is broken. most of us wouldn't care regardless, ive even given advice on rooting to a few customers ive helped.

SkyeTheGuy said:
Im a sales rep at a sprint store and I can say with certainty that we do not check to see if a phone is rooted when we do a giveback on them. honestly the only thing we check is if it turns on and if the screen is broken. most of us wouldn't care regardless, ive even given advice on rooting to a few customers ive helped.
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I learned about rooting long time ago from a service tech

Just be ready to pay the premium.
jeepers128 said:
I have always rooted my phones. I've walked out of the Sprint store and rooted my last phone after getting a refurbed phone from insurance. This time with my new note 4, it seems different. I am half afraid to because of the Knox tripping. What happens if say in 1 year my phone has some sort of issue and I need to turn it back in for insurance? Before I just un-rooted and took it back in. Now there is no reverse for the knox. I could really care less for the knox and have no need for it.
Any suggestions for calming my fear?
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I see it this way - you have to by insurance anyways. I could buy a house with what I have given Asurion over the years. If my phone goes down it costs $200 to get another. If I have to trade it in the claim will be for broken hardware. They will get enough pieces to identify what it was.
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t4d73 said:
What he said. ^^
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The only problem I'm worried about is that I won't get my copy of 5.0 if I root before I get it. Is there a way around that?
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Maybe. But they did say they cannot accept a rooted device. Whether or not they actually knew what they were talking about I don't really know. But there are ways to bring it back to stock though.
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I think you are fine on a trade because the only reason you would need to trade is if it is not working. If it is for a repair it is going to be the hardware anyways. I've taken rotted phones in for repair and they didn't even know.
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planb234 said:
I see it this way - you have to by insurance anyways. I could buy a house with what I have given Asurion over the years. If my phone goes down it costs $200 to get another. If I have to trade it in the claim will be for broken hardware. They will get enough pieces to identify what it was.
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The only problem I'm worried about is that I won't get my copy of 5.0 if I root before I get it. Is there a way around that?
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I think you are fine on a trade because the only reason you would need to trade is if it is not working. If it is for a repair it is going to be the hardware anyways. I've taken rotted phones in for repair and they didn't even know.
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Is there a way to bring it back to stock right now. I've never owned a phone this close to it's release date. I haven't had a chance to look in to what's out there yet. I want to root with just ADB and not use a recovery but I can't get the USB through with out superuser and if I did get him in there I think he would be dead before I could tell him about the Knox.

question... Just to be sure...
I have been waiting to see the lollipop update before rooting my note 4.
But... if I were to root the phone (and add TWRP)... but did not install a new rom, would I still be able to get the OTA update from Sprint without issue? Will the OTA break root? Could the update brick my phone?

Alright Im also in the same boat as you guys. I been rooting phone since htc hero loll. Slow piece of **** lol. Anyway im scared of tripping knox and having a fear if anything happen to my phone like crack screen water damage etc. I have a best buy insurance and not sure if i do root it and best buy can still find out if my phone is rooted and my warranty is voided after that so waste of $12 a month. So what should I do?