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Rooted tmobile S4 - Insurance/protection plan question

If I get the UVUAMDL file that you flash with Odin from the computer and take the root off, will they accept the phone or can they still see I voided it somehow? I pay 10 bucks a month for tmobiles premium handset insurance plan... I cracked the glass so I'm assuming I'll have to file a claim....
Another question, do they send you the new device first? Or do you gotta pay the waiting game with them?
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That won't reset the flash counter, but it will unroot it.
But if it's with T-Mobile, I don't think it will matter.
And they usually send out the phone first.

theexel said:
That won't reset the flash counter, but it will unroot it.
But if it's with T-Mobile, I don't think it will matter.
And they usually send out the phone first.
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Yeah T Mobile sends the new phoen first. Then you have like 7 days to return your old phone or they charge you $600 for it. But they'll send you a return case and everything with prepaid shipping. Just slip the old phone in there and put it in a UPS box. They are really easy to work with on stuff like this.
I have no idea if you really need to reset teh flash counter or not, but it's insanely easy to do it so you may as well. Do a search for Triangle Away by Chainfire. You just get back to complete stock rom and recovery through Odin, root using CH auto root, install Triangle Away and run it, and it will reset the flash counter. Then uninstall the Tiranlge Away app and go to the Superuser settings and click "complete unroot" (Or something like that, I forget what the term for it is, but it's obvious)
You will now have a phone with stock rom, stock recovery, no Superuser APK, and a flash counter that says 0.
I just did it last week. Took me all of 10 minutes to do the whole thing.

lucas said:
If I get the UVUAMDL file that you flash with Odin from the computer and take the root off, will they accept the phone or can they still see I voided it somehow? I pay 10 bucks a month for tmobiles premium handset insurance plan... I cracked the glass so I'm assuming I'll have to file a claim....
Another question, do they send you the new device first? Or do you gotta pay the waiting game with them?
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Flash the UVUAMDL stock file.
Use CF Auto root by Chainfire to root phone.
Use Triangle Away to reset flash counter (TA need root hence step above)
Open SuperSU app and choose "Full unroot". It will remove SU binary and SuperSU app.

baseballfanz said:
Flash the UVUAMDL stock file.
Use CF Auto root by Chainfire to root phone.
Use Triangle Away to reset flash counter (TA need root hence step above)
Open SuperSU app and choose "Full unroot". It will remove SU binary and SuperSU app.
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Don't forget to uninstall the Triangle Away app too! (It's kind of a giveaway that you messed with it. hahah!)
It installs as a user app though, so a factory reset after this would wipe the app out anyway.

Skipjacks said:
Don't forget to uninstall the Triangle Away app too! (It's kind of a giveaway that you messed with it. hahah!)
It installs as a user app though, so a factory reset after this would wipe the app out anyway.
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Asurion never said squat to me about it and I still had a custom ROM on it when I sent it back.

muqali said:
Asurion never said squat to me about it and I still had a custom ROM on it when I sent it back.
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Ha!
I once took a phone with Cyanogenmod to a t mobile store to get some help with something. The guy asked how I made the phone look so different. I told him it was an app from Google Play. He believed me. (Technically that was true. He was commenting on the theme, which was an apk downloaded from google pkay)
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Why does everyone get warranty and insurance confused? When you file and insurance claim it does NOT matter if it's rooted, if you bricked it, or dropped it in water. You're paying the $175 deductible sobit doesn't matter. If it was a warranty exchange THEN you would have to return to stock since they only charged you $5 for an exchange.
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Get Triangle Away. Run the app FIRST. Then Odin back to stock. Make sure to do wipe....then its all good
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alloycowboy said:
Get Triangle Away. Run the app FIRST. Then Odin back to stock. Make sure to do wipe....then its all good
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TA will not reset the counter unless your on the stock Rom, kernel and recovery.
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alloycowboy said:
Get Triangle Away. Run the app FIRST. Then Odin back to stock. Make sure to do wipe....then its all good
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The Odin flash to stock always increases the binary counter for me. Triangle Away is used after all your Odining is done.
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Skipjacks said:
The Odin flash to stock always increases the binary counter for me. Triangle Away is used after all your Odining is done.
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Well I guess it must be different than the S3. Cause I have always did Triangle Away, then Odin. Counter was then zero.
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Skipjacks said:
Ha!
I once took a phone with Cyanogenmod to a t mobile store to get some help with something. The guy asked how I made the phone look so different. I told him it was an app from Google Play. He believed me. (Technically that was true. He was commenting on the theme, which was an apk downloaded from google pkay)
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I guess if you rooted, then used Rom Manager to put CM on there it would be an "app" that made your phone have Cyanogenmod after all.

elflip88 said:
Why does everyone get warranty and insurance confused? When you file and insurance claim it does NOT matter if it's rooted, if you bricked it, or dropped it in water. You're paying the $175 deductible sobit doesn't matter. If it was a warranty exchange THEN you would have to return to stock since they only charged you $5 for an exchange.
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Yup. If you broke your screen you are paying the 180 or whatever for a new phone. May as well tell them you lost the phone and keep your cracked one for Battery and what not. Even a good back up phone.
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tylerholbrook said:
Yup. If you broke your screen you are paying the 180 or whatever for a new phone. May as well tell them you lost the phone and keep your cracked one for Battery and what not. Even a good back up phone.
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It will not work as a backup phone. The IMEI will be blocked.
Also, while I get what you are saying and understand you are trying to suggest the most cost effective way to do something....what you are suggesting is insurance fraud and could be a felony.
Im not judging you because I agree the insurance company is dumb for making it advantageous to lie aboit what happened to a phobe. Im just saying you are advocating a crime. XDA tends to prefer that you don't do that here.
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Skipjacks said:
It will not work as a backup phone. The IMEI will be blocked.
Also, while I get what you are saying and understand you are trying to suggest the most cost effective way to do something....what you are suggesting is insurance fraud and could be a felony.
Im not judging you because I agree the insurance company is dumb for making it advantageous to lie aboit what happened to a phobe. Im just saying you are advocating a crime. XDA tends to prefer that you don't do that here.
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I didn't meant to promote insurance fraud. I just always at least keep battery and when micro sim cards came with the phone 4 years ago. Figured paying 180 for a new phone should cover that but I get what you mean
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elflip88 said:
Why does everyone get warranty and insurance confused? When you file and insurance claim it does NOT matter if it's rooted, if you bricked it, or dropped it in water. You're paying the $175 deductible sobit doesn't matter. If it was a warranty exchange THEN you would have to return to stock since they only charged you $5 for an exchange.
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Thank you. I knew I wasn't looking for a warranty exchange cuz I cracked the screen too... So I knew I was gonna have to file a claim, and it does cover whatever you do to it, so it does make sense that messing with the system like that wouldn't matter. Thanks again. I don't even run custom roms, the s4 rooted is fine too me.
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My T-Mobile account app?

Anyone else that is rooted notice the app has a tab called device health and it shows that you are rooted.... Is this a bad thing? Should I delete the app?
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The FBI is probably on their way over with the T-Mobile police
Lol kidding! It's just telling you that your device is rooted and apps may do harmful things. It's just stupid to have that there. Don't worry about it. I have the app too.
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cryptic3 said:
Anyone else that is rooted notice the app has a tab called device health and it shows that you are rooted.... Is this a bad thing? Should I delete the app?
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I did awhile ago when i discovered it was creating a log file on my SD of everything my phone was doing network wise (even wifi). I don't think tmo needs to keep track of my Wifi activity being my home wireless has nothing to do with their network. To me it just seemed like Tmobile spyware on my phone. :laugh:

elesbb said:
The FBI is probably on their way over with the T-Mobile police
Lol kidding! It's just telling you that your device is rooted and apps may do harmful things. It's just stupid to have that there. Don't worry about it. I have the app too.
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So your warranty hasn't been voided?
I'm afraid that the app ratted you out to T-Mobile and they may have voided your warranty.
Even if you Odin back to stock and triangle away T-Mobile knows you were rooted.
I hope I am wrong.
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I really wouldn't worry about it. I just returned a rooted s4 to T-Mobile.
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Ash359 said:
So your warranty hasn't been voided?
I'm afraid that the app ratted you out to T-Mobile and they may have voided your warranty.
Even if you Odin back to stock and triangle away T-Mobile knows you were rooted.
I hope I am wrong.
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You are overthinking it.
If you contested that they'd have to prove the phone was rooted and that their app wasn't just going haywire adn reporting the wrong data. And you'd have the physical phone which showed a reset flash counter and official recovery so you'd have a much stronger argument than they do.
Also, since you are rooted you can do various things to prevent apps like this from telling T Mobile anything. First you can block their permissions and second you can us a firewall app to prevent it from having access to the Wifi or Mobile data. Of course it would be able to give your minutes or data usage or anything like that. But it wont' be able to tell T Mobile anything about yoru phone either.

Android_Monsters said:
I really wouldn't worry about it. I just returned a rooted s4 to T-Mobile.
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Did you Odin back to stock and reset the counter?
Did you have the new app feature wiring that tells if you are rooted?
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Skipjacks said:
You are overthinking it.
If you contested that they'd have to prove the phone was rooted and that their app wasn't just going haywire adn reporting the wrong data. And you'd have the physical phone which showed a reset flash counter and official recovery so you'd have a much stronger argument than they do.
Also, since you are rooted you can do various things to prevent apps like this from telling T Mobile anything. First you can block their permissions and second you can us a firewall app to prevent it from having access to the Wifi or Mobile data. Of course it would be able to give your minutes or data usage or anything like that. But it wont' be able to tell T Mobile anything about yoru phone either.
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Well only if you catch it in time and see what this app update will do. Otherwise blocking permissions might not appear to be necessary until too late.
You make a good argument however saying that their app can be malfunctioning.
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Rooting SM-N900T with MI7 firmware without tripping KNOX

Hey Guys,
I went through the forums trying to root my newly purchased Note 3 (what a sexy beast she be) without tripping the KNOX counter. I followed the vega root method but had issues generating the firmware with the script provided, It was returning an error saying the exynos version isn't compatible. After some searching I found this site:
http://www.android.gs/root-t-mobile-...s-not-tripped/
It's basically the same process as the vega method but the firmware for MI7 is ready for download and to be put into odin. I literally followed the instructions 5 mins ago and can confirm I have root and have not tripped the KNOX 0x0 counter.
Hope this helps anyone with the same specific set up on their Note 3.

I know people have had problems with kingo method of rooting but I rooted with it no problem and no firmware worries either. And no tripping knox. And I can unroot when I want. Which is great for updating via ota.
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I heard kingo works well but there is some worry add the application seems to send your info, IMIE (sp?) for example, to some Chinese server.

I used Kingo on my Tmobile Note 3 without any problem. It was super easy, and I have root.
It did not trip Knox.

Mr Global said:
I used Kingo on my Tmobile Note 3 without any problem. It was super easy, and I have root.
It did not trip Knox.
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As said above, your IMEI may be sent to a some random Chinese company. I'd hate to see a ton of Note 3 users suddenly have bricked phones.

Let's play this out. . . Say the Chinese gets my number please tell me exactly what happens next. EXACTLY please. No well basically, or from what I heard. . . How would the Chinese brick my phone by having my number? Exactly.
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Can someone that has my imei clone my phone?
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justice26 said:
Can someone that has my imei clone my phone?
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Possibly, but this root method works for me, successful no KNOX warranty trip:
http://www.android.gs/root-t-mobile...-root-de-la-vega-tool-knox-flags-not-tripped/

justice26 said:
Can someone that has my imei clone my phone?
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Good question and i would have to say that the most that they can do is report that number as stolen and temporarily disable your network access. All of your apps, mail, porn log ins are safe since those are stored on your phone. All you have to do is call T-Mobile and prove you owned that phone originally. Honestly your number is written on the outside of your box so anyone could have access to it.
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Just got my replacement phone and....

It unfortunatly came with knox... now what if i dont care to trip knox... will having knox effect the way i glash roms... or can i even flash roms? [Ive searched everywhere for my answer and all i get is mixed answers...] some say i cant flash with knox... others are talking in threads like they tripped knox and flashing roms... HELP PLEASE... thanks in advanceee!
btw from all the reading i ha e done it seems that a "Tripped knox counter" only affects the ppl sending it thru repair and not warrenty... please if someone can shed light on this... again... thanks in advance!
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Knox doesn't prevent you from rooting or flashing ROM.
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Thanks but what about warranty rejecting the phone because of Knox or is it only for repair by the way I'm in New Jersey
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Slicktune said:
Thanks but what about warranty rejecting the phone because of Knox or is it only for repair by the way I'm in New Jersey
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Your warrenty (The phone no longer powers on, send me a new one) is voided by tripping Knox.
Your insurance (The $9 a month you may or may not pay for damage or loss) is not voided.
Please search next time. There are literally 30 threads asking this exact question. Searching avoids filling up the forum with repeated questions, which makes finding unique questions more difficult.

baseballfanz said:
Knox doesn't prevent you from rooting or flashing ROM.
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Opps but ive updated to tmobile stock 4.4.2... does this mean i cant root? ive searched everywhere for the answer but it seems like ppl just started updating....
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Skipjacks said:
Your warrenty (The phone no longer powers on, send me a new one) is voided by tripping Knox.
Your insurance (The $9 a month you may or may not pay for damage or loss) is not voided.
Please search next time. There are literally 30 threads asking this exact question. Searching avoids filling up the forum with repeated questions, which makes finding unique questions more difficult.
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The warranty is not voided if you void Knox I did and I was running custom u sent mine in after it broke and they sent me a new one because it was still under warranty
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spyke1999 said:
The warranty is not voided if you void Knox I did and I was running custom u sent mine in after it broke and they sent me a new one because it was still under warranty
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Let me rephrase that...
Tripping knox is SUPPOSED to void your warrenty. Many people are finding that Samsung/T Mobile aren't properly checking the Knox status with a warrenty claim and are honoring the warrenties anyway. But it's not a guarentee.

Skipjacks said:
Let me rephrase that...
Tripping knox is SUPPOSED to void your warrenty. Many people are finding that Samsung/T Mobile aren't properly checking the Knox status with a warrenty claim and are honoring the warrenties anyway. But it's not a guarentee.
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I hear that tmobile doesn't care much seems it's more of a Samsung thing
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spyke1999 said:
I hear that tmobile doesn't care much seems it's more of a Samsung thing
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T Mobile is going to care once Samsung stops saying Knox tripped phones back from T Mobile. Remember, it's not T Mobile that is repairing the borken devices are reselling them as refurbished. Samsung is still doing that. T Mobile just asks as a middle man in that process. The warrenty is still Samsung's. And when Samsung tells T Mobile they won't accept any more knox tripped phones, T Mobile is going to start checking more closely.
That said, the warrenty is still invalid per the user agreement with Knox tripped. T Mobile could decide tomorrow or 6 months from now to start checking. If they do they are well within the law to deny a warrenty claim on a knox tripped phone. Just because they are ignoring it now doesn't mean they have to.

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T Mobile is going to care once Samsung stops saying Knox tripped phones back from T Mobile. REmember, it's not
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That will suck
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Slicktune said:
Opps but ive updated to tmobile stock 4.4.2... does this mean i cant root? ive searched everywhere for the answer but it seems like ppl just started updating....
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No?
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As of right now no.
There will need to be a new modified tar image or other loop whole to get root.

How To Root M919UVUFNB4 Android 4.4.2 KitKat On T-Mobile Galaxy S4 SGH-M919
http://true-android.blogspot.com/2014/03/root-m919uvufnb4-t-mobile-galaxy-s4.html

norml said:
How To Root M919UVUFNB4 Android 4.4.2 KitKat On T-Mobile Galaxy S4 SGH-M919
http://true-android.blogspot.com/2014/03/root-m919uvufnb4-t-mobile-galaxy-s4.html
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I love you... youre my hero... lol thanks
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Slicktune said:
I love you... youre my hero... lol thanks
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You're very welcome! If I were you though, I would wait and see that it is a confirmed "working" method. So many variables involved, like KNOX, better to be safe than sorry.

I have a friend that manages tmobile. He said that mobile CANNOT refuse an issured costumer. Because there is signed documents before Knox was even in the picture... If someone tries to refuse it. Tell them to show you some type of paper work that you have signed that says so. Or ask them to pull up your original. Contract/ or the insurance rules from day one.
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egren58 said:
I have a friend that manages tmobile. He said that mobile CANNOT refuse an issured costumer. Because there is signed documents before Knox was even in the picture... If someone tries to refuse it. Tell them to show you some type of paper work that you have signed that says so. Or ask them to pull up your original. Contract/ or the insurance rules from day one.
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And if that doesn't work, you can call the Insurance Commission in your state. Every state has one. They regulate ALL insurance matters.
The T Mobile insurance is just a normal property and casualty policy. Insurance commissions do not play around and they have absolute authority in a state to force an insurance company to pay a claim if you can prove they have no valid reason to deny it.
I am a licensed insurance rep in several states and I have dealt with insurance commissions all over the country. So I am absolutely positive about this. Every state has a process to dispute a denial for any policy, no matter how small.
All that said, I doubt you would ever have to fake it that far. Especially since the policy covers loss as much as damage. If they did deny the claim, just lose it and file the claim as a loss.
Now the warrenty is a whole different animal that is covered very differently. All different rules and hardly any governmental protections.
Sent from your phone. You should be more careful where you leave that thing.

My T-Mobile app update

New update will supposedly check for root access.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2917024
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DigitalChris602 said:
New update will supposedly check for root access.
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Doesn't it already do that?

mgbotoe said:
Doesn't it already do that?
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It does already, but I guess the T-Mobile app reports to them if your phone is rooted. If it is I guess T-Mobile can terminate your phone warranty and your insurance. At least that's what the thread says. I'm not to worried because I uninstalled that stuff. Dunno if this is legit though.

aclegg2011 said:
It does already, but I guess the T-Mobile app reports to them if your phone is rooted. If it is I guess T-Mobile can terminate your phone warranty and your insurance. At least that's what the thread says. I'm not to worried because I uninstalled that stuff. Dunno if this is legit though.
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Some who had their phone send of the information about root been denied service for sure

digitalchris602 said:
new update will supposedly check for root access.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2917024
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aclegg2011 said:
It does already, but I guess the T-Mobile app reports to them if your phone is rooted. If it is I guess T-Mobile can terminate your phone warranty and your insurance. At least that's what the thread says. I'm not to worried because I uninstalled that stuff. Dunno if this is legit though.
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tmobile could give 2 ****s if your rooted .. i handed my note 3 in with custom rom and the guy said OH cool your rooted and running the same rom and me we talked about about 30 mins

Not exaxtly. The old app just ran a diagnostic that happened to tell you if you're rooted. The new app will actually request root access and report findings to T-Mobile.
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DigitalChris602 said:
Not exaxtly. The old app just ran a diagnostic that happened to tell you if you're rooted. The new app will actually request root access and report findings to T-Mobile.
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thats strange i updated mine and its not asking for root permission

I've never had an issue with tmobile carrying about a phone being rooted I've traded in rooted phones and gone through insurance to replace rooted phones. I doubt they care. Store manager by me is running a custom rom on his own phone

Use Xposed RootCloak and it will hide root from T-Mobile App. When I hit diagnose it says my phone is not rooted. That is if you guys care to use the app, of course.

If you're rooted, why not just remove the app completely? Freezing it is fine too, but if you know it's 100% safe to remove...
Also, this "technology" is and has already been in use... It's called Carrier IQ or Caller IQ. Typically, this is only used to report you if you are searching for bad things on the interwebz... IE, how to make a bomb, kiddy porn, etc.
Additionally, you are protected under the "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act", and cannot be denied a warranty claim, regardless of Root, within reason of course... Please see this post for reference and further info:
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/