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HIGHLIGHT: Froyo on .29 kernel!

I decided to put this in development section to be sure that EVERY cooker sees it! In the dream's zone they've already ported an almost fully-functional froyo! And guess what...IT RUNS ON .29 KERNEL! Does it mean that all the drivers for eclair will work with froyo too? I'm not really sure about it but I suppose you're all waiting for the complete rom are you? Then you will modify it to run on Hero? I really hope so...By the way here the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686105
I thought it might be useful to some developer that has not enough time to take a look to other sections of the forum And, in my honest opinion, I think eclair development should be stopped in favor of froyo...That's all folks!

mardurhack said:
And, in my honest opinion, I think eclair development should be stopped in favor of froyo...That's all folks!
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I second that motion.

~David said:
I second that motion.
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Since a lot of Android users is Sense whores (including myself) i second that as well. But i think i will be ready to move on as soon as a stable Froyo cook is available.

ronni.rasmussen said:
Since a lot of Android users is Sense whores (including myself) i second that as well. But i think i will be ready to move on as soon as a stable Froyo cook is available.
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Nice find. Looks like they've got further than the CDMA guys. Wonder how Benhaam is getting on.
Apologies in advance if I'v got your name wrong bruv, iv seen so many spellings of it over the last few days.

ronni.rasmussen said:
Since a lot of Android users is Sense whores (including myself) i second that as well. But i think i will be ready to move on as soon as a stable Froyo cook is available.
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By "I second that" I mean I Agree with it
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Apologies in advance if I'v got your name wrong bruv, iv seen so many spellings of it over the last few days.
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It is benhaam, and this reminds me of... [skip to 1:31]

After I fix all the bugs in VanillaEclair 3.0, I will draw my attention on Froyo. So for those who are waiting for Froyo, count on me!

RaduG said:
After I fix all the bugs in VanillaEclair 3.0, I will draw my attention on Froyo. So for those who are waiting for Froyo, count on me!
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We are only counting on you for FROYO, and I think you'll be the first one to make a ROM on the build.

RaduG said:
After I fix all the bugs in VanillaEclair 3.0, I will draw my attention on Froyo. So for those who are waiting for Froyo, count on me!
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Thank you good to see someone is already walking on the path to the light... xD

Well, camera isnt working on G1... Same as running 2.1 with .27 kernel... Dont get your hopes up!

~David said:
It is benhaam, and this reminds me of... [skip to 1:31]
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It is behnaam, not benhaam !

kkoouu said:
It is behnaam, not benhaam !
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Oops, that's what I meant to type! lol

Please have some patience
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Well, camera isnt working on G1... Same as running 2.1 with .27 kernel... Dont get your hopes up!
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Come on man give it some time.
The current builds are based on the SDK or the nexus one ota or a mix of those.
Wait till google releases the source to git and see what happens.

I have already ported Froyo since day 1 (sdk), but useability was very low.
I'll have a look at the nexus build and make a hybrid, since looks like it's the most successful atm.

mardurhack said:
I decided to put this in development section to be sure that EVERY cooker sees it! In the dream's zone they've already ported an almost fully-functional froyo! And guess what...IT RUNS ON .29 KERNEL! Does it mean that all the drivers for eclair will work with froyo too? I'm not really sure about it but I suppose you're all waiting for the complete rom are you? Then you will modify it to run on Hero? I really hope so...
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It was already clear that Froyo will work with the .29 kernel.
The earliest builds where used with the emulator-images in the SDK that got released (like adwinp did). Nothing too functional, but fun to play with for a bit.
Chefs could work with porting the officially released Nexus1 ROM...
.. but I guess, that they are waiting for the source to hit the official Android git's. (Is android even using git?). Trying to port a ROM for a device with different resolution and hardware isn't impossible, but compiling from official source is easier.
So if the source hits quickly (and people guess it is) they can compile from source, use a .29 kernel (which everybody is playing and testing with now) and have a pretty good functional froyo build

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I made a quick and dirty port from Nexus, but still not nearly useable yet.
I'll play some more once I get some free time on my hands.

speaking about "devs teaming up"...

We just started work on a Froyo build

nprussell said:
We just started work on a Froyo build
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epic.
10char

nprussell said:
We just started work on a Froyo build
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Awesome! Cannot wait

nprussell said:
We just started work on a Froyo build
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so f*****g nice

New ROM/Dev

Hey, guys. I am looking to to start developing a ROM this summer. I wanted some input from you guys on what kind of stuff you wanted in it. I want to do something DIFFERENT. Please don't expect me to make AOKP 2.0 or anything like that. This will be my first ROM ever and I want to make something cool, and learn more as I do it. Any suggestions are welcome, but I don't want any crap. Thanks guys.

First off good luck to ya! I have dipped my toes in some of the dev'ing world but have never had enough time to get fully immersed.
Second, keep it fun. From what I can tell most of the devs that keep doing it for the long run enjoy what they are doing, and generally don't get too caught up in the drama.
Finally, I would like a ROM that is just different. I don't know how to describe it right now, but going from CM9 to AOKP to Gummy just feels like I am just changing a couple features. I would love a ROM that is just nothing like anything out there right now. Like I said, I don't know how you could do that but i'm sure there is stuff out there.

Make the most kick ass ginger bread ROM
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BrianDigital said:
Make the most kick ass ginger bread ROM
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The funny part is that people actually want that.

Hi,
It may be hard to build a new rom different from the others.Each rom here provides everything that one can hope,stock to highly customisable (maybe a little bloated),fast,light,themed,etc...
I think it's good to start to ask for ideas and opinions but keep mainly your own ideas because if you take into account all the ideas of everyone,once started you cannot do it to please everyone...
I think the most people here want a fast/customisable rom but we have already a big choice...Take a look in the dev section to check what all rom proposes...
For me no more idea of what I would like more than my actual rom or others I've tested...
Maybe like the most here a fast,light and clean rom,customisable but just the necessary (navbar,toggles,lockscreen) and maybe a themed rom directly (the risk of not pleasing everyone).But the problem is this kind of rom already exists...Arghh,hard!Just find a balance between pure stock and highly customisable.A kind of Revolution rom (by Mike1986) with the mods I said above.
Some users wants almost pure stock...but with 2/3 things customisable not a full customisable rom,maybe look at it,in this direction?
It's just my opinion,I never build a ​​rom but when you look into the dev section sometimes the devs must pull out his hair (sorry,Google translate for this ).
But in any case good luck
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Amphibliam said:
The funny part is that people actually want that.
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LOL,it's right ...or Donut/Froyo maybe You'd perhaps happy people

Build roms with Superhero Themes....
Sent from a phone...

Go beyond the standard launcher. Create a hub that will blow people away with it's usability/features/difference/etc..
Taking theming to the next level, passed MIUI.
Create your own widgets that are excellent to use and optimized as can be.
Also, make an awe inspiring Messaging app. One that's fast, themable, that let's you set a signature properly, and has a decent pop up. (People claim GoSMS to be too bloated.)
Code your own set of widgets into the notification pull down (not just toggles).
Build it using linario, if possible.
Create your own, integrated and optimized, rom manager.
Code dragging up on the navigation bar to have more controls/other goodies.
Create a clean looking (but themable) lock screens with short cuts to essential apps. And add a cool animation or two.
Oh, and good luck on your first rom!
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Something visually different. All these roms have tons of features, but they still look like AOSP. I'm not saying full out port Touchwiz or Sense 4 (which I would love btw) but make it look different.

Try working on a Sense 4 or GSIII Touchwiz port

Pat123 said:
Try working on a Sense 4 or GSIII Touchwiz port
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You want him to start crying and then give up?
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Let's team up. PM me.

Pat123 said:
Try working on a Sense 4 or GSIII Touchwiz port
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That is a good idea.

Amphibliam said:
Hey, guys. I am looking to to start developing a ROM this summer. I wanted some input from you guys on what kind of stuff you wanted in it. I want to do something DIFFERENT. Please don't expect me to make AOKP 2.0 or anything like that. This will be my first ROM ever and I want to make something cool, and learn more as I do it. Any suggestions are welcome, but I don't want any crap. Thanks guys.
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What are your qualifications?
Not taking a pot shot or being douchey. Just wondering.
Without knowing that, people will throw every ridiculous idea at you without knowing what you are or are not capable of.

This is bordering on being a hype thread way before development has begun
But seriously, Google would have been the first place to start. And there are PLENTY of "so you wanna build (insert rom name) for the galaxy nexus" threads. So if you can't build from someone else's source yet, than this thread is pointless in its own way.
good day.

I know how to build from source.
To Adrynalyne: no much tbh. Pretty much just what I've picked up from my time on here and from friends. I figure I need to start somewhere lol.

Amphibliam said:
I know how to build from source.
To Adrynalyne: no much tbh. Pretty much just what I've picked up from my time on here and from friends. I figure I need to start somewhere lol.
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We always start somewhere.
Folks, stop asking him to rewrite AOSP!

adrynalyne said:
We always start somewhere.
Folks, stop asking him to rewrite AOSP!
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Why, AOSP is almost as laggy as iOS now a days lol.
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miketoasty said:
Why, AOSP is almost as laggy as iOS now a days lol.
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Maybe you need to optimize a little. Please don't take offense, it's just that many of us have very smooth running devices with great UX.
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execute_method said:
Maybe you need to optimize a little. Please don't take offense, it's just that many of us have very smooth running devices with great UX.
Sent from my sourcerized 'nixNex using Tapafux.
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You might need to send in your sarcasm detector for some warranty work

adrynalyne said:
You might need to send in your sarcasm detector for some warranty work
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I agree, looks broken to me.
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ROMS for LG Optimus G

Anyone recommend a ROM that I could flash onto my LG OG. I've heard Lifeless is pretty good but I've yet to see any screen of it or what is featured. I have CM on my Epic 4G and would rather not have it on my current phone as well. I've seen Paranoid Android and really like that but have they ported that onto LGOG yet? Any other suggestions would be pretty sweet

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Wha
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javskies said:
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Hahaha I lol'd at this longer than I should have!
But no I revised the Original post

GeekasaurusWrex said:
Hahaha I lol'd at this longer than I should have!
But no I revised the Original post
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its just a great picture lol. this is what you are looking for http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2243487

javskies said:
its just a great picture lol. this is what you are looking for http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2243487
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Thanks. I know I should search before posting, but I'm new and Im trying to reach 10 posts so that I can leave feedback on developer threads.

Hit up the ROM Review. Also, what is your skill level and what are you looking for in a "ROM".
Stock Based
Agent- Beginner user that likes stock but wants more control and performance tweaks
Lifeless- Flashaholic that like bells and whistles and predefined goodies
Initiative- Advanced user that want a minimal base to build to suit.
AOSP/CM Based (some things are still broken but gives you "I has the latest" bragging rights)
CM- Flashaholic that loves him some Cyan Jellies
AOSP Eos 4.0- Flashaholic prefer to get as close to pure Android as possible while getting some nice bells and whistles
AOKP- Flashaholic that does care where the code comes from just as long as it works.

I've been linked to! Oh, joyous day.

Lifeless and Initiative sounds pretty good, but I'm most interested in Paranoid Android. I like the hybrid feature but to my knowledge, it was just recently ported and not everything works yet
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Try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2254185
Stable and has hybrid settings

stevek216 said:
Try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2254185
Stable and has hybrid settings
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i can vouch for this, i'm currently using it & so far so good

I stumbled upon this myself a few days ago as a matter of fact and I'm loving it.! You guys know where I can download additional bootscreens?
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There are a million apps to change the boot logo

I've been want to root this phone soo bad, but there are some downsides is that.. I messed up the battery life due to previous phone I had when I constantly charge it every time the battery dies within 5 hours or so, (I'm in school for 8 hours, graduating senior) and the reception gets sucky some parts of school (normal with everyone's phones that school blocks the receptions) and some areas in Newport News. I have this phone for two weeks now and I really love it. Is there any pro and cons to this ROM as posted for link? I love the minimalistic look.

Lokifish Marz said:
Hit up the ROM Review. Also, what is your skill level and what are you looking for in a "ROM".
Stock Based
Agent- Beginner user that likes stock but wants more control and performance tweaks
Lifeless- Flashaholic that like bells and whistles and predefined goodies
Initiative- Advanced user that want a minimal base to build to suit.
AOSP/CM Based (some things are still broken but gives you "I has the latest" bragging rights)
CM- Flashaholic that loves him some Cyan Jellies
AOSP Eos 4.0- Flashaholic prefer to get as close to pure Android as possible while getting some nice bells and whistles
AOKP- Flashaholic that does care where the code comes from just as long as it works.
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Love the AOKP description :good:

GeekasaurusWrex said:
I stumbled upon this myself a few days ago as a matter of fact and I'm loving it.! You guys know where I can download additional bootscreens?
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If you're looking for more boot animations you can check this site out:
http://androidbootanimation.com/
I'm also running Vanilla Rootbox Rom and love all of the options.
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Noob4337 said:
If you're looking for more boot animations you can check this site out:
http://androidbootanimation.com/
I'm also running Vanilla Rootbox Rom and love all of the options.
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Thanks about for the link. One other question. I've been trying to get the YouTube app UI to look like the 3D-ish the way it does on tablet. I change to 720p as that is the highest option I'm given and it just looks like a smaller phone version with too much white space. Anyone got that to work that way?
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AOSP anytime Soon?

mannn im dying to flash some aosp on this toy! any idea on how long is it gonna take to see the first aosp rom? :fingers-crossed:

tsunami2312 said:
mannn im dying to flash some aosp on this toy! any idea on how long is it gonna take to see the first aosp rom? :fingers-crossed:
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Hold your horses man... We still waiting for a safe and working recovery that works for all.

tsunami2312 said:
mannn im dying to flash some aosp on this toy! any idea on how long is it gonna take to see the first aosp rom? :fingers-crossed:
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When the first dev Is up to it and when we get devs who buy the phone.
Chill it's going to be about a month or so till the development gets flowing
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Yeah, I agree with both responses. I give it a few months. This phone is still a baby (a big and healthy one at that), but based on what I saw in the Note 2 forums when it first got released, there's a good chance we'll be seeing TONS of excellent ROMS and kernel choices coming our way. I thought my flashing addiction was over, but I have a feeling I'm going to relapse and hit rock bottom when the inevitable flood of custom ROMs comes.
Personally, I am anxious for AOSP too, but I really can't say that I am hating this version of touchwiz (solely for the S Pen functionality). If one of our devs can implement S Pen functionality in an AOSP-based ROM I'm going to need to invest in a new pair of jeans, because I will undoubtedly soil my current pair.
Be patient, brotha, this phone won't get overlooked as far as development is concerned. I'm just excited to see which developers we'll get. And when we do, let's try not to run them off.
Sub question out of curiosity, who are some developers that you guys would be thrilled to see developing for our beloved Note 3? Based on our first ROM developer, jovy23, we are off to a very promising start! My experiences with his previous works have been nothing but solid.
My $0.02; Cl3Kener, ptmr3, Jamison904, gs2usr, elbermu, prbassplayer, thederekjay, ThdDude, ayysir, Master&Slave... The list could go on. Pipedreams, man.

stereotripical said:
Yeah, I agree with both responses. I give it a few months. This phone is still a baby (a big and healthy one at that), but based on what I saw in the Note 2 forums when it first got released, there's a good chance we'll be seeing TONS of excellent ROMS and kernel choices coming our way. I thought my flashing addiction was over, but I have a feeling I'm going to relapse and hit rock bottom when the inevitable flood of custom ROMs comes.
Personally, I am anxious for AOSP too, but I really can't say that I am hating this version of touchwiz (solely for the S Pen functionality). If one of our devs can implement S Pen functionality in an AOSP-based ROM I'm going to need to invest in a new pair of jeans, because I will undoubtedly soil my current pair.
Be patient, brotha, this phone won't get overlooked as far as development is concerned. I'm just excited to see which developers we'll get. And when we do, let's try not to run them off.........
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+1!!! lol

I just need Bajee to come back so we can get RootBox for the Note3

truthkillszz said:
I just need Bajee to come back so we can get RootBox for the Note3
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+++111!!! :good:

AOKP with S pen support! I'm actually still using my S4 as my dd until that happens because I hate Touch wiz.

im ok with liquidsmooth or slim, they were great on my sgs3!

Give it some time peeps...
Note 3 brings a whole new set of hardware... Qualcomm 800 is new and so is the GPU.
U see things happening in this order....
1) Safe Recovery
2) Kernel (Probably with SELinux set to "Permissive")
3) AOSP or at least the bits of it....
I see all this happening over the next few weeks to a month. This device is only a week old peeps... it'll happen. People are still making way of getting the device. S4 was a huge step, some people used their upgrades, some people have to buy the phone outright... I happen to be one of them lol. Just give it a bit more time....

April 26th......
1992 there was a riot on the streets tell me where we're you
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AOKP with S pen support! I'm actually still using my S4 as my dd until that happens because I hate Touch wiz.
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Not going to happen. The most you would get is limited support. For example just basic usage but not any of the advanced features Samsung added because those are tied to TouchWiz. Unless a team writes the code to add Spen features from scratch kind of like how the PA Team created Halo, which brought multi-screen to AOSP.

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Not going to happen. The most you would get is limited support. For example just basic usage but not any of the advanced features Samsung added because those are tied to TouchWiz. Unless a team writes the code to add Spen features from scratch kind of like how the PA Team created Halo, which brought multi-screen to AOSP.
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I think you are wrong Google AOKP S pen it was pretty legit for the note 2.

sbell7105 said:
I think you are wrong Google AOKP S pen it was pretty legit for the note 2.
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I thought you were talking about the more advanced features that samsung added like Air Command and stuff. I just came from the note 2 and AOSP only supports basic usage.

I just want to say that if there is a dev out there that would be willing to write the code for all the fun features that sammy incorporated i would be willing to donate for that. i would love a rom with a lot of spen functionality and that uses google now like the s voice feature.

well people aosp is really close!!! check this out! :laugh: :victory:
https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/Bc6e1QrxYhG

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well people aosp is really close!!! check this out! :laugh: :victory:
https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/Bc6e1QrxYhG
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i wonder if there is any chance of MHL out working on the Note 3 with an AOSP rom. It never worked on the Note 2

What ever happened to don't ask for ETA's? The phone has been out for less than a month. Less than two weeks for most people. Good grief.
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@rbiter said:
What ever happened to don't ask for ETA's? The phone has been out for less than a month. Less than two weeks for most people. Good grief.
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Not asking for ETAs is like NOT thinking about a pink elephant. Thought about. Didn't ya. Yeah.

[Q] Who is so crazy to bring Android M on Galaxy Nexus?

I want to know if you guys are crazy enough to bring android M on the immortal Galaxy Nexus.
It's a challenge
@Ziyan @freshgiammi @voidz777 @zzpianoman @theBlackEnd @Carlos_Manuel @varund7726 @MWisBest

We need full codes
then under 24h will be ported but no eta

II'm ready for Android M.

M Developer Preview??? Thanks but no thanks, we'll throw a build within 24/48h after the sources will be released.
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M Developer Preview??? Thanks but no thanks, we'll throw a build within 24/48h after the sources will be released.
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I mean when android M will be officially relased
In october/november more or less

WoolTomb said:
I mean when android M will be officially relased
In october/november more or less
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Maybe sooner (like August/September):
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I want to know if you guys are crazy enough to bring android M on the immortal Galaxy Nexus.
It's a challenge
@Ziyan @freshgiammi @voidz777 @zzpianoman @theBlackEnd @Carlos_Manuel @varund7726 @MWisBest
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here have a preview

varund7726 said:
here have a preview
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Doesn't even look like something that should be called LP 5.2, more like 5.1.2.
There were more design changes from JB 4.1 to 4.2, then L to M.
LOL
Seems to me like Google is just releasing new version codes just for the media attention.

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Doesn't even look like something that should be called LP 5.2, more like 5.1.2.
There were more design changes from JB 4.1 to 4.2, then L to M.
LOL
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But I think that's okay. We (at least me!) wouldn't like major design changes every year. I'd like to settle in with the OS rather than seeing changes every year.

Would love to see a fully stable and performing 5.1.1 build before worrying about Android M.
/looks over at the FML thread and crosses fingers that a new build will post soon.

GunFishin said:
Would love to see a fully stable and performing 5.1.1 build before worrying about Android M.
/looks over at the FML thread and crosses fingers that a new build will post soon.
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+1...........for toro tho hopefully the google play services force close will be fixed as well:good:

GunFishin said:
Would love to see a fully stable and performing 5.1.1 build before worrying about Android M.
/looks over at the FML thread and crosses fingers that a new build will post soon.
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This is XDA and we want cutting edge. If you want stability go download a stock rom for your device.

Stable LP 5.1.1
We dont have stable lp roms ... i think we btr worry about stable lp roms rather than getting android M

freshgiammi said:
M Developer Preview??? Thanks but no thanks, we'll throw a build within 24/48h after the sources will be released.
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So it wont be such a pain to do like lollipop was then?

Final Dev Preview
Marshmallow final dev preview and android 6.0 SDK released :cyclops:
Someone please port Android Yum for Maguro!

erk1725 said:
+1...........for toro tho hopefully the google play services force close will be fixed as well:good:
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Also looking forward to a toro build. Luckily, its not my daily, so it doesn't have to work all the way.

I'm really thrilled for the new features coming with Android M but I would seriously prefer having stable systems instead of bleeding edge features. If you take Ziyan's cm 12.1 as an example, it's still beta but is really stable on my phone, just having some minor issues here and there... That's something you can work with, but sometimes devs declare there roms stable, even if you look at big companies they do it sometimes too, that's just a shame. If I don't need my phone for my everyday life, e.g. on weekends, I try to test some of the bleeding edge stuff, that's a process that has been working out pretty good so far.

I want to keep my galaxy nexus for year . It will be amazamazing it can run the latest version of android. I'm sure that the xda galaxy nexus developers will do this.

Android M for Galaxy Nexus is here:
http://www.tech.infysim.org/2015/10/16/android-m-for-galaxy-nexus-android-marshmallow-6-0-zmod-rom/
This is not a stable build yet, so proceed with caution.

No toro M yet? I am impressed with the compassion on this device. I really think the GNex is a great little device!!