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Any fears over future development with the Note II?

I am using a HTC One X I received for free but have an upgrade burning in my pocket. I am weighing my options right now between a Nexus 4, LG Optimus G, and a Samsung Note II for AT&T. I never considered the Note II until recently when a co-worker got his. I read reviews and watched vids on various phones and everyone makes the phone out to be like its the size of Texas. After using it for a bit, pocketing it, playing with it, etc the size is not an issue unless you have some seriously dainty hands. While the screen quality is amazing on my HOX that massive screen on the Note is calling me like a Siren. If I get one I don't think I will be able to go down to a smaller screen once I am used to it
Anyways, my question is regarding future development as I am always flashing ROMs. I read last month that the Cyanogen team will no longer support Samsung devices based on the Exynos chipset. Has this changed or what is the future outlook for ROM development on this phone? Is Samsung being more proactive about releasing documentation, code, drivers, etc to help the dev community? Will CM still come to the Note II just not officially from the CM team? Any thoughts?
I need me some AOSP on my phones so if development is in question I might pass.

Check out this link, things look promising!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...enmod-support-first-cm10-nightly-already-out/

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logicrulez said:
Check out this link, things look promising!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...enmod-support-first-cm10-nightly-already-out/
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Glad to see this! Thanks for posting the link.

High fives all around with this news. I'd say go for it. This is the first device I've used my upgrade for in a long time and not regretting it one bit. But in the future I probably won't be able to get another device with at least 5 inches of screen.

Awesome! Before I came back to this thread, I was browsing the international Note forums and saw that a nightly of CM 10 was released.
I am such a needy person as I want the cool features Samsung brings with the S Pen, pop out video, multitasking with multi-view, etc but with speedy updates and without Touchwiz, carrier bloat, etc.
:Sigh
This would be amazing if it happens:
International(ish) Note 2 w/ AT&T LTE support
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1889855

SysAdmNj said:
High fives all around with this news. I'd say go for it. This is the first device I've used my upgrade for in a long time and not regretting it one bit. But in the future I probably won't be able to get another device with at least 5 inches of screen.
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Agreed. I hadn't upgraded myself in forever. The S2 was on another line.
Also great news to know its CM supported. Means AOKP may make an appearance... loved that ROM on my S2.

I wouldn't want cyanogenmod or aokp or any aosp based rom's on the note ii. Its heavily customized around the s-spen and you'd lose support for that if going with an aosp rom. The note ii is about being different, trying something different. The s-pen stylus for sure and all that goes with it, but also multi view to make use if that big beautiful display. Samsung lately has been good about toning down and streamlining touchwiz, its not nearly as visually intrusive or resource hogging as senseui. Its done tastefully. They do have some nice semi proprietary features like s beam. As long as they release updatea for the note ii now and then i am happy to stick with custom rom's based on the official rom. Just debloated, tweaked, streamlined, enhanced but at its core android with touchwiz and full hardware support, no strange little quirks or hacked drivers or something not quite working right, etc. The fun that comes with running an aosp based rom. The note 2 is top notch in performance and features and will have lots of community support for some time imho. I know several Android enthusiasts who have chosen the note 2 over other high end models. Itvsays something about the phone.
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I wouldn't want cyanogenmod or aokp or any aosp based rom's on the note ii. Its heavily customized around the s-spen and you'd lose support for that if going with an aosp rom. The note ii is about being different, trying something different. The s-pen stylus for sure and all that goes with it, but also multi view to make use if that big beautiful display. Samsung lately has been good about toning down and streamlining touchwiz, its not nearly as visually intrusive or resource hogging as senseui. Its done tastefully. They do have some nice semi proprietary features like s beam. As long as they release updatea for the note ii now and then i am happy to stick with custom rom's based on the official rom. Just debloated, tweaked, streamlined, enhanced but at its core android with touchwiz and full hardware support, no strange little quirks or hacked drivers or something not quite working right, etc. The fun that comes with running an aosp based rom. The note 2 is top notch in performance and features and will have lots of community support for some time imho. I know several Android enthusiasts who have chosen the note 2 over other high end models. Itvsays something about the phone.
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+1 AOKP was fun on the GS II, didn't like it on my One X. But for the Note, a major reason I bought it was all the S-Pen and TouchWiz stuff. I'll be sticking to stock based unless some of the pop up and side by side stuff makes its way to AOSP ROMs.
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glitchsys said:
I wouldn't want cyanogenmod or aokp or any aosp based rom's on the note ii. Its heavily customized around the s-spen and you'd lose support for that if going with an aosp rom. The note ii is about being different, trying something different. The s-pen stylus for sure and all that goes with it, but also multi view to make use if that big beautiful display. Samsung lately has been good about toning down and streamlining touchwiz, its not nearly as visually intrusive or resource hogging as senseui. Its done tastefully. They do have some nice semi proprietary features like s beam. As long as they release updatea for the note ii now and then i am happy to stick with custom rom's based on the official rom. Just debloated, tweaked, streamlined, enhanced but at its core android with touchwiz and full hardware support, no strange little quirks or hacked drivers or something not quite working right, etc. The fun that comes with running an aosp based rom. The note 2 is top notch in performance and features and will have lots of community support for some time imho. I know several Android enthusiasts who have chosen the note 2 over other high end models. Itvsays something about the phone.
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+1 AOKP was fun on the GS II, didn't like it on my One X. But for the Note, a major reason I bought it was all the S-Pen and TouchWiz stuff. I'll be sticking to stock based unless some of the pop up and side by side stuff makes its way to AOSP ROMs.
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Agree with the both of you. I just switched from a One X with CM10 to the Note II and both sentiments ring true. I miss some things from AOSP (mainly the lock screen) but Touch Wiz on this does the job perfectly, and it's needed for the S-Pen features which I am using more and more as I get comfortable with it. I've rooted to remove bloat and flashed the custom kernel available to mildly OC and UV it and that's about all I think I'll do. I'll probably try out Scrosler's ROM as I had it on my HOX a few times and was always happy with his work. And I definitely don't think I can go to anything smaller than 5'' after this, two months ago I would of thought I was crazy for thinking that. However this phone is so much more comfortable to wield for me than the original Note was and I love this thing.

avus_m3 said:
I am using a HTC One X I received for free but have an upgrade burning in my pocket. I am weighing my options right now between a Nexus 4, LG Optimus G, and a Samsung Note II for AT&T. I never considered the Note II until recently when a co-worker got his. I read reviews and watched vids on various phones and everyone makes the phone out to be like its the size of Texas. After using it for a bit, pocketing it, playing with it, etc the size is not an issue unless you have some seriously dainty hands. While the screen quality is amazing on my HOX that massive screen on the Note is calling me like a Siren. If I get one I don't think I will be able to go down to a smaller screen once I am used to it
Anyways, my question is regarding future development as I am always flashing ROMs. I read last month that the Cyanogen team will no longer support Samsung devices based on the Exynos chipset. Has this changed or what is the future outlook for ROM development on this phone? Is Samsung being more proactive about releasing documentation, code, drivers, etc to help the dev community? Will CM still come to the Note II just not officially from the CM team? Any thoughts?
I need me some AOSP on my phones so if development is in question I might pass.
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I honestly don't see any problems like your wondering about.
There is already developer interest..and I don't see interest stopping...
Now...if your just wanting a Nexus for the pushed upgrades that's one thing...but I for one would take a wait & see attitude about the LG...They have a very lack luster approach to updating anything on their lines.
As to the screen size...your quite right...going back to anything smaller would be a hindrance once you get used to the bigger screen...( for me at least it is )and when you do a side by side comparison...it clearly shows there is no comparison to it...You may find a little more detail with the smaller screens...but...a 1080P movie still looks exceptional on it. I love the looks given by guys with smaller sized phones take a look at mine then back to theirs...They usually make some dumb statement about needing a back pack to carry it around...lol...lol...lol..
I really like my Note...it is special...and when folks see you using it...they always ask to see it..and I have never seen any other phone that will cause this reaction from folks...
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glitchsys said:
I wouldn't want cyanogenmod or aokp or any aosp based rom's on the note ii. Its heavily customized around the s-spen and you'd lose support for that if going with an aosp rom. The note ii is about being different, trying something different. The s-pen stylus for sure and all that goes with it, but also multi view to make use if that big beautiful display. Samsung lately has been good about toning down and streamlining touchwiz, its not nearly as visually intrusive or resource hogging as senseui. Its done tastefully. They do have some nice semi proprietary features like s beam. As long as they release updatea for the note ii now and then i am happy to stick with custom rom's based on the official rom. Just debloated, tweaked, streamlined, enhanced but at its core android with touchwiz and full hardware support, no strange little quirks or hacked drivers or something not quite working right, etc. The fun that comes with running an aosp based rom. The note 2 is top notch in performance and features and will have lots of community support for some time imho. I know several Android enthusiasts who have chosen the note 2 over other high end models. Itvsays something about the phone.
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Totally agree.
"Touchwiz" is no longer bad on the Note 2. I WILL NOT be ROMing my Note 2. Ever. Things simply can't get faster and for the first time AOSP wouldn't add as many features as it would cause you to lose. The spen is bloody brilliant and the overall touchwiz experience on the note 2 is stellar. I'm on XDA with this device to hear about accessories and to help those that need Note 2 help.
My ROMing days are over as long as I have the Note 2 (probably Note 3,4,etc) as it's simply not needed anymore. Touchwiz brings too much to the table and is too feature rich/smooth to lose. 6h 45m battery life with 24h unplugged on LTE and 20% remaining? Man roms can't improve that and if they did, I wouldn't use or need it. Don't like ATT bloat? Go into the built in application manager un settings and disable anything you don't like or want. It's like it's not even there.
Dang I love this phone.
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avus_m3 said:
Anyways, my question is regarding future development as I am always flashing ROMs. I read last month that the Cyanogen team will no longer support Samsung devices based on the Exynos chipset. Has this changed or what is the future outlook for ROM development on this phone? Is Samsung being more proactive about releasing documentation, code, drivers, etc to help the dev community? Will CM still come to the Note II just not officially from the CM team? Any thoughts?
I need me some AOSP on my phones so if development is in question I might pass.
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hmm
Honesty I'm little worried that development isn't going to shine for ATT version.
The reason I feel that way.
Being on sprint EVO , EVO3D , GS2 and Note2 their development was rocking week into release...heck weeks before release. Lots of developers stepped up with rom preview threads etc forums had great vibe.
ATT GN2 development doesn't appear to have strong development base.
If it wasn't for scrosler are development sub forum would still be a ghost town.
The bad news is that he returned his GN2 went with different device on Verizon.
Hopefully some Devs from GS3 upgrade to Note2 time will tell.

sling said:
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Honesty I'm little worried that development isn't going to shine for ATT version.
The reason I feel that way.
Being on sprint EVO , EVO3D , GS2 and Note2 their development was rocking week into release...heck weeks before release. Lots of developers stepped up with rom preview threads etc forums had great vibe.
ATT GN2 development doesn't appear to have strong development base.
If it wasn't for scrosler are development sub forum would still be a ghost town.
The bad news is that he returned his GN2 went with different device on Verizon.
Hopefully some Devs from GS3 upgrade to Note2 time will tell.
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Word. :crying:
Ive been rocking the GS2 for almost 2yrs. Rooted within a week and will never like a stock device unless its aokp or cm (AOSP). I've been using PA for months now. My GN2 is supposed to arrive tomorrow and of course I wanted to root it but dont like dealing with all the bugs and instability that I experienced with the GS2. It was a slow show for the i777 as well for a while then it picked up really quick so I hope the same happens for the i317 only faster :good:

projekt1 said:
Word. :crying:
Ive been rocking the GS2 for almost 2yrs. Rooted within a week and will never like a stock device unless its aokp or cm (AOSP). I've been using PA for months now. My GN2 is supposed to arrive tomorrow and of course I wanted to root it but dont like dealing with all the bugs and instability that I experienced with the GS2. It was a slow show for the i777 as well for a while then it picked up really quick so I hope the same happens for the i317 only faster :good:
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Right on.
You will be stoked on GN2 its a sweet device.
I didn't realize how different it would be moving to ATT device.....Forums have a East Coast - West coast feel.
Sprints development side of the pond had a couple head developers that took control with lots of How to threads Video demos etc.
Tars were put together fast , all safety nets were in place in a couple days
I just need to get use to my new playground Sprint dev forum days are over.
But hey, my data Speed is 100% better so its worth the move.

Let's hope we get a lot of leaks quickly like how our International model brethens are getting.
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Let's hope we get a lot of leaks quickly like how our International model brethens are getting.
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it's great that samsung starts to sell similar models with same cpu to the world, like iphone.
developer in the world can coop with each other. gs2 and Gs3 is a bad example.

I am not scared this is the best phone around.
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I am on a stock based debloated ROM right now and it is beastly. I am not sure why you guys are worried about AT&T
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Well, the SGN2 is running so well that I don't see what the custom ROMs can add to it at this moment!
I have replaced the Touchwiz UI with the ADW EX launcher + Circle launcher to fully customize my screens to my liking.
Now I have the best of both- full Samsung's cool features, including S-Pen features, and my style screens and customization.
I will monitor the Dev section for a while before I decide to root the phone or not.
This phone is definitely the king of all Android smartphones for now.

if samsung abandons this device for the galaxy s4 or whatever next year and drags their feet on releasing/leaking updates, the developers will move on to something else. a lot of us here upgrade to new phones at least once a year, especially if development is an issue

cm10 vs Touchwiz. Loss of features.

Cm10 is my favorite rom on the market and I feel its the fastest and smoothest thing you can get as well as adding some very functional features. With any other phone, I would without a doubt be doing everything in my power to install cm10. The note is in a different category however. The note 2 has added functionality in its touchwiz rom that allows for running multiple applications on the screen at the same tine, as well as s pen features such as taking a screen shot and then drawing right onto it.
For those of you that have installed cm10 or other non touchwiz rom, do you miss any of the touchwiz features?

Of course they do.........
but everyone is different the features that they miss still may not be enough to drop CM10 its light and fast and def has its advantages......
i personally on the note will only use TW based roms, i like the features added in it this time around.

I am curious about this. 4.2 has new features I'm excited about, so I'm curious how CM10.1 will turn out. I know the nightly is still fairly new, but I'd like to hear what people say about it, and I'm especially curious if it's possible to port (I'm not sure if I'm using the right term) over that Samsung's TouchWiz has, such as S Note and the ability to trigger it to open when the S Pen is removed.

I can never go back to a touchwiz ROM. I never use the s pen, never use multi window, and I despise the capacitive buttons since my palm always triggers them in landscape. The customizable navbar and spell check are my main reasons for using cm10

simonxliu said:
I can never go back to a touchwiz ROM. I never use the s pen, never use multi window, and I despise the capacitive buttons since my palm always triggers them in landscape. The customizable navbar and spell check are my main reasons for using cm10
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If you never use the S-Pen or multi-window, what was the reason you got the Note II versus other phablet-style devices?

raduque said:
If you never use the S-Pen or multi-window, what was the reason you got the Note II version other phablet-style devices?
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1+ very interesting question......
Sent From An Incognegro Galaxy Note 2

raduque said:
If you never use the S-Pen or multi-window, what was the reason you got the Note II versus other phablet-style devices?
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What phones are you referring to? The phone is pretty much the top of the line as far as hardware is concerned and if your locked into a carrier your options are even more limited.

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What phones are you referring to? The phone is pretty much the top of the line as far as hardware is concerned and if your locked into a carrier your options are even more limited.
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There's the Droid DNA, the Spectrum II, the Optimus, even the Nexus 4 and S3. These are all 4.7+ high-resolution (720p or FullHD) devices that I consider competition with the Note II. The main draw and defining feature of the Note II is the S-Pen. If it wasn't for the S-Pen combined with the 5.5" display and Touchwiz software, I probably would not have considered it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phablet

5.5 inch screen and the quad Samsung processors and very nice screen is some very good reasons to go to note 2 versus any of the other phones even if you don't use spen.
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sabre31 said:
5.5 inch screen and the quad Samsung processors and very nice screen is some very good reasons to go to note 2 versus any of the other phones even if you don't use spen.
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Exactly. I don't get how someone else tell u why u should like your phone. Huh?

esincho said:
Exactly. I don't get how someone else tell you why you should like your phone. Huh?
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Nobody was telling anybody how they should like their phone. I was simply wondering why somebody would buy the Note II and not use (or even be interested in) it's defining feature.
To me, that's like buying a convertible and never putting the top down, or buying a Boss 302 Mustang and not tracking it. Just doesn't make sense to me.
PS: I fixed your spelling mistakes.

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Nobody was telling anybody how they should like their phone. I was simply wondering why somebody would buy the Note II and not use (or even be interested in) it's defining feature.
To me, that's like buying a convertible and never putting the top down, or buying a Boss 302 Mustang and not tracking it. Just doesn't make sense to me.
PS: I fixed your spelling mistakes.
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I purchased the Note 2 for the screen size, 2GB of RAM, and Quad Core Exynos. The S-Pen is interesting but I almost never use it and didn't factor it in when making my purchase.

ishmael2 said:
I purchased the Note 2 for the screen size, 2GB of RAM, and Quad Core Exynos. The S-Pen is interesting but I almost never use it and didn't factor it in when making my purchase.
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I agree. The S-pen comes in handy for certain things, especially notes, but I don't use it as much as I thought I would.
I had a Treo 750 (came with a stylus) some years ago, the beginning of smartphones. Just having the stylus made things easier. The stylus didn't make the phone it just complemented it IMO. Same with this one only its way advanced and almost part of the phone, again a great thing but not necessary.
I would like to see some type of CM10/TW Hybrid or something that will keep the "cool" features of TW and the S-pen. Maybe someday lol

The DROID dna has some nice hardware but the lack of an sd card slot is a huge turnoff for me. With games coming out being 2+gb its totally unacceptable to be stuck with only 16gb of storage. This also kills the nexus 4 for me. The spectrum 2 SoC sports a weaker gpu and has a smaller screen so that's no competition in my eyes. The Optimus G is competition and S4 with the Adreno 320 gpu seems to edge out the notes 2's SoC but I'm in favor the 5.5 screen and have not had the the best experience with LG phones. The note 2's battery life beats the Optimus G and the Note 2 takes better video if you care about that sort of thing. As far as pictures are concerned the LG has a higher mp rear camera but it doesn't seem to produce better quality images and the front facing camera on the LG is a lower mp camera. The Spen is a nice feature but I like having CM 10/ASOP so that I can have pdroid. If your not familiar with pdroid look it up as it is a great app.

I chose the Note II over the S III for the S-Pen. And, at the time, the multi-view. I want the big screen and big battery and the best performance. But I also want the TouchWiz features. Smart stay, smart alert, pop up play, multi-view, S beam, AllShare Cast, none of that will work on CM10, or AOKP (at least not at the performance TouchWiz will give). I wanted the best Android hardware, and (IMO) the best Android software. If I wanted AOKP more than I wanted TouchWiz I would have a nexus 4, or Galaxy nexus. After the One X I don't plan on buying another HTC device, and the Thrill turned me off LG. Samsung is the only Android OEM I trust for solid hardware and software support after the device ships.
I use the S-Pen just about every time I use my device. I thought after a while the novelty would wear off and I would stop using it. But, I find I enjoy it quite a bit. The only reason I rooted and flashed another ROM was to get multi view. As an added benefit I get to keep all the TouchWiz features I use constantly, and I get to resolve my only two complaints with TouchWiz: more icons on the stock launcher (and keep page buddy), and to choose and re-order the Notification toggles. I can think of many reasons to stay on TouchWiz, but I can't think of a single reason to go on an AOSP based ROM. For me, I don't plan on even trying CM10 or AOKP on this device, even though I couldn't stand running anything else on my One X or S II.
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Ironically for me, I bought the Note 2 for the screen and hardware. I knew spen, multi window, and some other features for me would be gimmicks. The ironic part is, that although I rarely use them, for some reason that is why I'm staying on Tw instead of CM10. I rarely use the spen, but I love having those options. I just don't really see how the spen makes anything easier or more efficient. That being said, I love that stupid thing anyway. I considered Nexus 4 but liked removable battery and bigger screen much better.
G●Note~2 {Jedi X5}

raduque said:
Nobody was telling anybody how they should like their phone. I was simply wondering why somebody would buy the Note II and not use (or even be interested in) it's defining feature.
To me, that's like buying a convertible and never putting the top down, or buying a Boss 302 Mustang and not tracking it. Just doesn't make sense to me.
PS: I fixed your spelling mistakes.
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You're so smart. And not at the same time...

esincho said:
Exactly. I don't get how someone else tell u why u should like your phone. Huh?
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now a days, people need someone to tell them how to wipe their own arses, so, its not surprising when ridiculous questions like this get asked all over this site...
What makes it ever worse, is the fact they don't even post them in the correct (Q&A) section...

Maybe everyone should relax...
I think raduque has a bit of a point. Some people, such as myself, like some of the features TW has associated with the S Pen. Some can care less, as many have you stated. For you guys who don't care about the S Pen features, CM10 the way it is now might work out for you. For those of us who do want some of the S Pen features, hopefully it's something as simple as copying some of the APKs containing those features and porting them over. (I wouldn't know the process yet. I haven't even rooted my phone as of yet.) I can personally care less about the TW launcher, itself, since I use and really like Go Launcher EX, but that said, I'd still like to be able to use the S Pen features, like S Notes, Air View, etc.
But then there's features that I'm not sure whether or not comes from TW that I like, such as Quick Glance, Direct Call, Smart Alert, Turn Over to Mute/Pause, Palm Swiping to Screenshot, Palm Touch to Mute/Pause, etc...

BlackPhantomX said:
But then there's features that I'm not sure whether or not comes from TW that I like, such as Quick Glance, Direct Call, Smart Alert, Turn Over to Mute/Pause, Palm Swiping to Screenshot, Palm Touch to Mute/Pause, etc...
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All these features are built into the core Touchwiz UX. They could be put in AOSP/AOKP, but so far nobody seems to be interested in coding in those features.
I use most of those features daily, and I'm always scribbling something down in Snote.
Not to mention I find the default Google-stock Android theme to be flat and boring.

Galaxy S4 apps requested

If i was to get a galaxy s4 stock rom and extract the apps (not all of them just a few that i seen and like) and then push them into the nexus 4 do you think the app would work correctly work???

Most of the Samsung apps need touchwiz framework and few other things to work. So if you just push those apps to system they will not work.
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You can get s4 launcher with samsung framework so there isnt problem with framework.

Why would you want Samsung's bloatware into a true AOSP device?

calanizzle said:
Why would you want Samsung's bloatware into a true AOSP device?
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Because he just can! Problem?
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That is why its great having an AOSP device. We have the base to add anything we want in top of it.

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Because he just can! Problem?
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ur reply was classic lol

Having played with my friends s4 for a few hours I honestly feel like the s4 apps are worthless. They cause a ton of battery drain and really make the phone feel sluggish. Don't bother
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I would live to get mulitiview if it was possible
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the only reason i dint go for samsung and bought a LG (first yet) is because of samsung bloatware
i love the launcher and a few more stuff but trying a s4 in my nearby mall made me feel that buying a nexus was totally worth it (a snapdragon 600 quadcore was laggy)

Did anyone find a way to port the camera app or the ability to multiview? (More interested in camera)

A lot of this stuff particularly multi window is probably hard to port.
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Multi-window is implemented deep within the touchwiz framework, so porting it will be difficult. However, PA has sort of implemented a floating window view, so in the future we might see a multi-window feature that's independent of touchwiz and whatever-LG-call-theirs.
OP, good luck with trying to get other apps ported over. Some of them should be possible, but the camera app is most likely hardware dependent, so you might have some issue with that.
To everyone else who's expressing their opinion on touchwiz app, this is not a discussion thread. If you want to express your hatred for Samsung apps so badly, go start your own circlejerk thread in General Discussion.

do you think email app can be extracted from S4 and ported over to S3?

It would be easier to get an S4, and replace TW apps with AOSP apps. You can stripe TW down to look AOSP, and still use all the TW apps you like.By buying a Google Device like an N4, your pretty much locked into using AOSP apps. Porting TW apps these days to AOSP devices is pretty difficult, and not worth the time.

Only Thing I truly want from the S4 is the message App!!!!
You can send them all the pics you want and it wont show up as a Slideshow!!!!!
Stupid that Android hasn't adressed this issue.
That's the one thing that iOS got right and so did Samsung!

I would love to have the camera and gallery app, even if some dev copy the new features and put it in a their own app I would love. Animated Pictures :victory: like... GIFs... with your camera... :victory::victory::victory::victory: and sound :victory::victory:

danishdhanshe said:
the only reason i dint go for samsung and bought a LG (first yet) is because of samsung bloatware
i love the launcher and a few more stuff but trying a s4 in my nearby mall made me feel that buying a nexus was totally worth it (a snapdragon 600 quadcore was laggy)
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Uh, actually the Snapdragon 600 is supposed to be faster than the S4 Pro that's inside our Nexus. Not that the S4 Pro is bad or anything - quite the contrary, but the 600 is higher up on the food chain. The lag you noticed was most certainly caused by Samsung's bloatware, plain and simple. Wait till the Galaxy S4 Google Edition comes out and everyone on YouTube makes comparison videos of these devices AOSP vs. AOSP - that will give a better indication of who has the stronger hardware. The performance will be close, but Samsung does have the upper hand, even if just by a little bit.
Also... Yuck, Touchwiz! WHY!?

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Uh, actually the Snapdragon 600 is supposed to be faster than the S4 Pro that's inside our Nexus. Not that the S4 Pro is bad or anything - quite the contrary, but the 600 is higher up on the food chain. The lag you noticed was most certainly caused by Samsung's bloatware, plain and simple. Wait till the Galaxy S4 Google Edition comes out and everyone on YouTube makes comparison videos of these devices AOSP vs. AOSP - that will give a better indication of who has the stronger hardware. The performance will be close, but Samsung does have the upper hand, even if just by a little bit.
Also... Yuck, Touchwiz! WHY!?
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Just the launcher!
BTW I will not go for any Google edition phones as they are unnecessarily given such a high price tag!
Imagine they I but 3 nexus⁴ instead of sgs4 Google edition (2½ in case of HTC one Google edition)
And snapdragonn s4 and 600 are almost same, just 60 is overcloakable till 1.9ghz which is really cool

danishdhanshe said:
Just the launcher!
BTW I will not go for any Google edition phones as they are unnecessarily given such a high price tag!
Imagine they I but 3 nexus⁴ instead of sgs4 Google edition (2½ in case of HTC one Google edition)
And snapdragonn s4 and 600 are almost same, just 60 is overcloakable till 1.9ghz which is really cool
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Those devices are cheaper than retail value in many territories... that primarily pay retail value for phones.
Even the N4 didn't receive the Play prices in most of Asia. It still retails close to $400 even.

Anyone coming from gnex (Samsung galaxy nexus)?

Hi there,
Anyone coming from gnex (Samsung galaxy nexus)?
Just need some feedback on software support, size handling and personal impression.
Thank you

The Note 2 is better at everything, screen, battery, and if you like aosp, there are a lot of those roms for you. The only thing we are missing from a nexus, as far as I can tell, is photoshpere. The devs for this phone are fantastic, so many roms to choose from. The size of the phone should not bother you. Oh yeah, the camera on the Note 2 blows away the Galaxy Nexus. I've had the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4, and the Note 2 when running an aosp rom is just as smooth as the Nexus 4, IMO.
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Touchwiz is bearable on the gnote2 because most of the features are actually useful AND work. Great all around phone. Reception, form factor is great for its size, put your own launcher like nova to get the aosp launcher feel, volume is great on ear speaker and loudspeaker and the 720p screen is beautiful even when compared to 1080p. And the SD card slot and removable battery are bonus. Oh yeah, can't forget battery life. Battery just doesn't stop. Expect 6+ hours of screen time easily. Only the most demanding of games will put a hurt on it and even then it still does great. All that and you can get this phone for less than $550 currently and it should still hold nicely for at least another year and I wouldn't be surprised if it holds it down another 2. Don't forget to get a wireless receiver to put inside the battery compartment and a compatible wireless charger.
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It's definitely worth upgrading. This phone is better in every respect - sure we only have Android 4.1 officially but unless you really need the multi user feature then you actually gain quite a bit from TouchWiz. The launcher itself blows but the rest is great - things like multi window and driving mode. I don't even run custom roms anymore it's that good - rooted stock is all you need on this bad boy.
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lyall29 said:
The Note 2 is better at everything, screen, battery, and if you like aosp, there are a lot of those roms for you. The only thing we are missing from a nexus, as far as I can tell, is photoshpere. The devs for this phone are fantastic, so many roms to choose from. The size of the phone should not bother you. Oh yeah, the camera on the Note 2 blows away the Galaxy Nexus. I've had the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4, and the Note 2 when running an aosp rom is just as smooth as the Nexus 4, IMO.
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what rom you are running ?

Bn Waheed said:
what rom you are running ?
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I am what you would call a flashaholic. At the moment I'm running Hawkish rom with Perseus kernel. On the days I want aosp I either use Sentinel rom or ParanoidAndroid.
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My friend has a Gnex, He definitely likes the ability to change screentone but didn't feel huge difference between the two screens, He is quite happy with the gaming performance where he said even games like vector would sometimes have framedrop on the gnex, But he is soooo annoyed that we don't have 4.2 yet, he knows it's not an important update but the feeling that he actually needs to "wait" for the update is really annoying him, that alone is making him consider the Nexus 4

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My friend has a Gnex, He definitely likes the ability to change screentone but didn't feel huge difference between the two screens, He is quite happy with the gaming performance where he said even games like vector would sometimes had framedrop on the gnex, But he is soooo annoyed that we don't have 4.2 yet, he knows it's not an important update but the feeling that he actually needs to "wait" for the update is really annoying him, that alone is making him considering the Nexus 4
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That is my main fear! !

albsat said:
That is my main fear! !
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Touchwiz hurts my eyes but at least you have the "choice", my advice to you is to go for it at least you can install CM and switch back to TW,Just don't get it new, the Note 3 is on the horizon get a cheap note 2 for now, good luck buddy

Hell Guardian said:
Touchwiz hurts my eyes but at least you have the "choice", my advice to you is to go for it at least you can install CM and switch back to TW,Just don't get it new, the Note 3 is on the horizon get a cheap note 2 for now, good luck buddy
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Touchwiz isn't so bad on gnote2. Put nova launcher to get rid of the eyesore on the home screens and the rest is OK.
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@rbiter said:
Touchwiz isn't so bad on gnote2. Put nova launcher to get rid of the eyesore on the home screens and the rest is OK.
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Coming from a Galaxy Nexus I personally couldn't stand Touchwiz for long. However AOSP roms are pretty much stable by now and almost everything is working correctly. That said the Note 2 is one of the best phones I've ever owned so I highly suggest it or waiting for the Note 3

albsat said:
That is my main fear! !
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Have no fear my friend. Like I said, I came from a nexus 4 running Paranoid Android. My note 2 running PA ROM is just as smooth and has every feature that the nexus 4 has minus photosphere. The devs that are working with the note 2 will most likely keep working on new ROMs for at least another year or 2, probably longer. You will not be dissatisfied with either the Nexus 4 or a Note 2. My personal opinion would be get the Note 2.
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Have come over to Note 2 from galaxy nexus..I really liked the gnex but couldn't stand the horrible camera and battery life.
I would say the better camera and brilliant battery life on the Note2 should be reason enough. Plus there is some great development work for Note 2 . So no fears. Using the Project AOSP v1.4 ROM by modstorm .. And this makes the Note2 almost perfect.:laugh:

i came over from the gnex too and the battery was terrible. The note 2 is pretty much better in everything. Only thing i preferred on the gnex was the position of the led notification

We may not be on the cutting edge when it comes to Android versions but we do gain several enhancements over stock. Better camera software, driving mode, voice control of apps, and multi window are my favourites. Smart stay and motion gestures seem more gimmicky to me although others my get value from them. Also I prefer having my toggles at the top of the notification window rather than in a separate box.
Oh then there is the micro sd slot, battery life, removable battery, and s-pen.
I don't miss my Nexus 4 one bit.
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my impressions after 1-2 weeks with note2 (vs gnex):
better:
- samsung-only (proprietary) features
- battery life
- reading PDFs in landscape possible at last (fonts at least for me in gnex were too small)
- FM radio!!! (last phone from sammy that supports this? such moron assumption that everybody now has/will have limitless data plans)
- much nicer for watching videos
- supernice camera, actually anything better than camera in gnex is supernice
- micro sd
- spen (sam ROM only, yeah i know about apps for aosp...still)
- removable battery (the same actually, just want to stress the fact it is there)
worse:
- samsung-only (proprietary) features, i.e they will never-ever be available for AOSP ROM (BIG ONE for me, means I have to stay on samsung ROM) or suffer tons of features in AOSP simply not there
- btw. camera because of this somehow reported to work a lot better in samsung ROM than AOSP
- touchwiz is a bit painful to use after AOSP, miss the flexibility/configurability of cyanogen...
- shape/size of gnex is ideal for my hand, this one is a bit too much, not a big deal though and apparently getting used to (BUT i will never use armor case, makes it simply far too big)
- unstable WIFI (lots of disconnects) in 4.1.2 by samsung, some fixes available currently testing one to revert 4.1.1 wifi stack (rooted phone needed)
- a bit more gimmicky rooting/custom recovery - not a big deal
- not worse but dont like: handwriting seems to work only with samsung keyboard app? sort of eliminates slide-it,swype etc... need to find some workaround...
- pockets: yeah defo a challenge to fit in shirt's pocket, barely fits in trousers' pockets

@yogi
Thanks man. This was exactly the necessary info needed before taking a decision.

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@yogi
Thanks man. This was exactly the necessary info needed before taking a decision.
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thanks, happy to hear...actually I just noticed note2 has also non-AOSP custom ROMs, which after gnex is kind of new category for me. What this seems to mean I will have the chance to get the combined samsung ROM + AOSP-type extra customization, one example seems Hawkish mentioned earlier on this thread -> sounds interesting, I will give it a try in next 1-2 weeks and can report here if you are interested?

Alright, Tell it to me straight. :)

I am between purchasing a Nexus 6 and a Galaxy Note 4 in December, currently leaning towards a Nexus 6.
But this is the deal, because of my employer, I will not be able to root my phone. Yeah, I know there are some xposed modules that can hide root, but everytime my work apps update then I'd have to wait for the xposed module to update and basically don't want to deal with that. So my question is, how is the Note 4 stock unrooted? I've heard some negative commentary regarding TW lagging. I'm also concerned about waiting forever for the Android L update. So basically, Android L and lagging are the two biggest reasons I'm leaning towards a Nexus, but I definitely want to do my due dilligence in hearing user feedback regarding lagging, specifically with TW.
Thanks all.
PS. I had to switch to an iPhone earlier in the year due to a work agreement, but now I'm allowed to go to Android if I want, so can't wait to be back.

mjs2011 said:
I am between purchasing a Nexus 6 and a Galaxy Note 4 in December, currently leaning towards a Nexus 6.
But this is the deal, because of my employer, I will not be able to root my phone. Yeah, I know there are some xposed modules that can hide root, but everytime my work apps update then I'd have to wait for the xposed module to update and basically don't want to deal with that. So my question is, how is the Note 4 stock unrooted? I've heard some negative commentary regarding TW lagging. I'm also concerned about waiting forever for the Android L update. So basically, Android L and lagging are the two biggest reasons I'm leaning towards a Nexus, but I definitely want to do my due dilligence in hearing user feedback regarding lagging, specifically with TW.
Thanks all.
PS. I had to switch to an iPhone earlier in the year due to a work agreement, but now I'm allowed to go to Android if I want, so can't wait to be back.
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I ran unrooted for two weeks, and performance was fine. The only reason I finally rooted was to kill the ads in some of the apps I use. Personally I have no issues with TW, not laggy at all and I think it adds some useful functions.
I think the choice comes down to features. Can you do without an SD card, removable battery and fingerprint sensor? If so, then having pure android and fast updates may be worth it. Since I keep 50 gigs of media on my card and use the fingerprint sensor it was an obvious choice

I've only experienced lag since I rooted and installed xposed, there's a fix now, but if you're unrooted it shouldn't be an issue. The only reason I rooted this time was to kill the home button wake feature and take advantage of greenify.

Thanks guys. Makes me wonder if the people citing lag issues are just anti Samsung. I think it will come down to how it feels in the hand. The sd card isn't a big deal since I'll subscribe to Google Music.
Personally, I want Android Lollipop pretty bad, but I think where the Note 4 has a lead is that the features support the size of the phone better than the Nexus, which is just huge.

Note 4 has am SD card n removable battery nexus gets direct updates ...
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Have you considered the Note Edge? I heard it was coming out next month. The touch wiz interface allows you to use touch wiz software camera, fingerprint scanner and sheath are all super useful.

jamice4u said:
Have you considered the Note Edge? I heard it was coming out next month. The touch wiz interface allows you to use touch wiz software camera, fingerprint scanner and sheath are all super useful.
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I haven't. It looks cool but I get a little scared of gimmicks like that.
Looks like the Nexus 6 is getting some pretty unfavorable reviews and played around with a Note 4 at Sprint this evening. I think I'm leaning towards the Note now.

My reasons for getting the Note 4 over the Nexus 6 is features. The Nexus 6 is a big screen phone but the Note 4 is really a phablet.
No multi window, fingerprint scanner, no S-Pen and no S-Health features.
Would love lollipop but otherwise very happy with the Note 4

I've read some great reviews about the nexus 6. I couldn't give up my note, though. The multi window and the s pen are a must for me now. I think there's always somebody who complains about lag on every phone. The only lag on this phone that bugs me (3/10) is when I click the recent apps button. It's a 2 second lag. I can count it every time. I'm just getting used to it because of the 1000 other reasons I love the phone.

emeraldayotte said:
My reasons for getting the Note 4 over the Nexus 6 is features. The Nexus 6 is a big screen phone but the Note 4 is really a phablet.
No multi window, fingerprint scanner, no S-Pen and no S-Health features.
Would love lollipop but otherwise very happy with the Note 4
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Sansung has it on the note 4 but not for public yet saw on youtube
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My Note 4 is not rooted and I am very happy with it, no lags at all.

I'm stock rooted and My N4 is butterly smooth.No issues at ALL.

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Sansung has it on the note 4 but not for public yet saw on youtube
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I saw a vid of lollipop running on an S5. Looks sweet! No if we can get the update timely.