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KitKat Announced

Google officially announces KitKat release and the Nexus 5 - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/android-for-all-and-new-nexus-5.html.

Yeah we'll probably get it a year from now. ..
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I have seen absolutely nothing that this release is supposed to do for the Note 3 other than a little more memory efficiency. But hell we have 3gigs of ram (well more like 2.3 but oh well) so i dont really care about that...
Maybe a someone with a little more developing experience knows something I dont?

melead said:
I have seen absolutely nothing that this release is supposed to do for the Note 3 other than a little more memory efficiency. But hell we have 3gigs of ram (well more like 2.3 but oh well) so i dont really care about that...
Maybe a someone with a little more developing experience knows something I dont?
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Potentially tap into always on voice sensor (similar to Moto X) -- see http://www.phonearena.com/news/Alwa...standard-with-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-800_id46105...

Yeah. I asked about this in forum. Seems like there is little interest even though our SOC natively supports it. Smdh.
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Happy Holoween indeed! Hopefully this means we'll start seeing AOSP ROMs porting to the Note 3 soon, can't wait to get off of Touchwiz!
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melead said:
I have seen absolutely nothing that this release is supposed to do for the Note 3 other than a little more memory efficiency. But hell we have 3gigs of ram (well more like 2.3 but oh well) so i dont really care about that...
Maybe a someone with a little more developing experience knows something I dont?
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And more... http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...duces-battery-consumption-when-playing-audio/
Don't discount 4.4 as being uninteresting for the Note 3 -- it's still early and people are still picking things apart. Beyond the immediate tangibles, I think this is another step towards making the OS a conduit for services (like 4.3 with unified notifications). There is a lot going on and everyone is in a frenzy -- let's see what people are able to dig up.
Edit: I should point out that this is not a confirmed feature for the Note 3 but a potential one given that it is a function drawing off the Snapdragon 800. I don't think this is evident from the paragraph above -- the point being, we don't know what's possible/useful in 4.4 for the Note 3 until we figure a few things out.

I don't really see the interest in AOSP roms for Galaxy Notes, unless you don't use the S-Pen.

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And more... http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...duces-battery-consumption-when-playing-audio/
Don't discount 4.4 as being uninteresting for the Note 3 -- it's still early and people are still picking things apart. Beyond the immediate tangibles, I think this is another step towards making the OS a conduit for services (like 4.3 with unified notifications). There is a lot going on and everyone is in a frenzy -- let's see what people are able to dig up.
Edit: I should point out that this is not a confirmed feature for the Note 3 but a potential one given that it is a function drawing off the Snapdragon 800. I don't think this is evident from the paragraph above -- the point being, we don't know what's possible/useful in 4.4 for the Note 3 until we figure a few things out.
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Absolutely confirmed. You can use with s voice. S voice sucks. And Qualcomm has it listed as feature of 800 chip set.
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lightpsycho said:
I don't really see the interest in AOSP roms for Galaxy Notes, unless you don't use the S-Pen.
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The S-Pen hardware worked just fine on CM on the Note 1. I don't care about all the software tweaks as long as I can still take notes and draw with the pen which plenty of S-Pen feature capable third party apps do perfectly fine on AOSP ROMs.
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I'd rather have also but soap doesn't get as good battery life and getting the international touchwiz ROM instead of T-Mobile carrier ROM was a humongous difference. But yeah, sketchbook pro is cheap @ $5 and I am sure there are plenty of note taking apps that don't require s-pen but are better with it. Double edged sword on the note series.
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I'm still hoping for a Google edition note 3. TW framework + Kitkat so we still retain s-pen tweaks. Biggest appeal of kitkat for me is the unified hangouts/SMS app. The tw sms app along with a lot of the other ui in tw is really beginning to show it's age.
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+1
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No surprise since they just launched the Nexus 5.

The biggest thing I see is that Android 4.4 no longer requires a secure element for NFC. Rather, it emulates a secure element at a software level. Which means that even though the Note 3 for T-mobile most likely doesn't have a secure element built-in, Google Wallet tap-to-pay will work! The only way carriers can block it now is if they remove the secure element emulation framework from 4.4 for their phones.
Another cool thing with that emulation framework is that in 4.4, your phone can also receive NFC payments from another phone or card! I'm excited to see how this pans out.

lazaro17 said:
I'm still hoping for a Google edition note 3. TW framework + Kitkat so we still retain s-pen tweaks. Biggest appeal of kitkat for me is the unified hangouts/SMS app. The tw sms app along with a lot of the other ui in tw is really beginning to show it's age.
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The new hangouts, as well as many other apks (play services, launcher, search, camera, clock, keep, etc) work fine on my Note 3 (and Nexus 7) right now. The APKs are all over G+ right now. No need to wait for a hybrid to bring these new apps to our phones.
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AOSP has always gotten better battery life than touchwiz. Simply because with AOSP you have less pointless features burning your battery and it is a lighter ROM overall. I came from the note II and once I installed a AOSP ROM going back to touchwiz was like a downgrade in battery, speed and actually useful features like easily customizable navbars and Halo.
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I agree I am a huge AOSP Rom fan but don't see myself flashing AOSP because I'll loss S-Pen functionality. The S-Pen is a huge plus on the Note 3.
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bryanthomas007 said:
I agree I am a huge AOSP Rom fan but don't see myself flashing AOSP because I'll loss S-Pen functionality. The S-Pen is a huge plus on the Note 3.
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The hardware functionality of the stylus still works in AOSP. The only thing you lose is the proprietary software (pen window, etc). There are a ton of alternatives on the Play store. I use the stylus everyday but I never use any of the Samsung apps.

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AOSP has always gotten better battery life than touchwiz. Simply because with AOSP you have less pointless features burning your battery and it is a lighter ROM overall. I came from the note II and once I installed a AOSP ROM going back to touchwiz was like a downgrade in battery, speed and actually useful features like easily customizable navbars and Halo.
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What? No not always man.. twiz for how heavy it is gets pretty awesome battery life.
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Still worth picking up a note 3

Looking for new toy AMD I've always been intrigued by the note 3. Was considering grabbing one from T-Mobile is it still worth it ? Sure they will be announcing the note 4 soon .
I currently have the nexus 5 and like it but crave a bigger screen .
Is there root for the note 3
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You're at the half way point. Have a phone that's been half a year out... or wait half a year for the Note 4. Your call.
Yes, there's root out. It's XDA after all.

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You're at the half way point. Have a phone that's been half a year out... or wait half a year for the Note 4. Your call.
Yes, there's root out. It's XDA after all.
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Not all gave root here on XDA sadly
And from read the note 4 is going to have a wrap around screen
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I have the note 3 and I love it. The galaxy s5 demo unit came into my store the other day and I have no desire to switch to it... don't get me wrong it's REALLY nice. But I wouldn't switch to it. I say go for the N3
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Do yourself a favor and get a note 3 you can thank me later
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Wait for note 4 boot loader / Knox situation . if it's locked and Knox situation has not changed then either get a note 3 or stay away from Samsung all together . note 4 will have that dual WiFi antenna thing which is the only feature worth getting other wise I do t see them slapping 4 g of ram of 64 GB memory . faster CPU is useless and redundant as of now specially the way google is lowering requirement for their OS. The wrap around screen thing is useless to me because my phone is always encased

OP I was in the exact situation as yours. I've been using Nexus 5 and wanting to get a bigger screen, namely a Note. I weighed in the current trend, and am convinced that Samsung isn't gonna make Note 4 super interesting, so i decided to get a Note 3.
So far I am not disappointed. Touch Wiz has matured and there is no need to deviate from stock based ROMs.
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Samsung has been crap this year. I really wouldn't have my hopes up for their next upcoming flagship. After all, it's just a phone. I waited a whole year for the damn s5 and it turned out to be a disappointment. I got the note 3 instead,and I totally recommend it. It will feel huge at first, but you will eventually adapt to the point of no return.After all, it's just a phone.

Just picked up the note 3 ....um wow just wow
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Awww my good friend. Do it, do it, it'll make you feel good good good.
Really, do yourself a favor and get the 3. I did last month and oh boy, everything is great and no you don't really need to root, I did because I can't live without Viper audio and cerberus and remove bloat to clear up memory, ( not just disable them). Using a custom rom, it was wicked but I've changed to hyper drive rom, both fantastic. So long story short get it, and become happy for ever, until next year at lease.

Or do as I did and get the Note 3 and pay the extra $ for Jump! and when the Note 4 comes out switch

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Just picked up the note 3 ....um wow just wow
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Enjoy it bro, the "wow" factor has yet to leave me. Lots of great devs here with great roms and kernel support, as well as nice community that will help you out when in need.
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Had it since day one and there is nothing better out there now. No S5, HTC One (M8) or IPhone can beat this beauty and the beast phone. Only the Note 4 can surpass it when it comes out.
You will not regret getting a Note 3. May want to wait till S5 comes out in case you can get a Gear watch bundled for cheap if interested in it.
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I kinda agree that there really isn't anything out there better yet. I mean things like 2k display (not needed and bigger battery drain) 2gb ram is a step backwards, and no stylus (if you use it) and the Snap Dragon 801 is only 200mhz faster with the same gpu. So at the minimum I probably wouldn't even look til the 805 SoC came out or 64 bit (which isn't even needed yet).
That not even mentioning someone has to come up with something really innovative or significantly better like the isocell with OIS. At this point, we're really at a point of saturation.

Nexus 6 or Note 4??

I'm not sure where the right place is to put this question.
It's a real question for me, dominated by the fact that the specs look pretty similar (except no. Locked bootloader etx) , but the price will be significantly lower. Of. Course we don't have the facts yet, but I'm holding off until the nexus 6 announcement before pulling the trigger on one of them.
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This is a very odd question to me. Do you want a high productivity phablet with the s-pen, touchwiz and a ton of features, or do you want a no frills stock Android device?
They are two extremely opposite phones.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
This is a very odd question to me. Do you want a high productivity tablet with the s-pen, touchwiz and a ton of features, or do you want a no frills stock Android device?
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In every Note forum there are always a slew of people who obviously are consumption users that don't need/want/care about all the features that, to me, are what make a Note a "Note."
Here's an interesting survey...
Clearly 35% would be better off without S Pen and 40% wouldn't miss it terribly if it weren't there. For them, like OP, any big screened phone would do.
Here's the current supposed specs of the Nexus 6...
The Nexus 6 is all but a secret at this point with a multitude of leaks telling us everything we needed to know about the handset. The smartphone is expected to be packing a 5.9 inch Quad HD display, a 13-megapixel camera with OIS, 3GB of RAM, a Snapdragon 805 chipset, a refined version of Android L (Android 5.0) and a mammoth 3,300 mAh battery. It could be shown off sometime later this month, possibly during Halloween. Google announced the Nexus 5 quietly during Halloween last year, so there’s no reason why the trend shouldn’t continue this year.
http://thedroidguy.com/2014/10/motorola-nexus-6-hits-fcc-certification-98187#z8pV1eRuP2vkzxdm.97​It's pretty close to the Note 4. But... Google's camera's have always sucked, the display will most likely be decent but not fantastic, and battery life will probably be worse because, for some reason, Google has a hard time tuning battery usage on their own phones. Add to that it won't have expandable storage and most likely come in 32/64GB versions. Second but... The 32GB version will probably be $499-549 which undercuts the Note 3 by almost $300 which for those that could care less about S Pen and the faults I listed makes it a great value. That and it'll get updated directly from Google are its two biggest benefits over the Note 4.

My biggest issue so far in thinking about a Nexus 6 (or whatever it will be called) is the fact that Samsung/AT&T has been locking down the Note to the point where they void the warranty as soon as the knox is tripped.
That and the fact that the Note 2 is my third Samsung device and I want to try a different route.

They are the same, aside from the pen, which I never use on all three of my notes. And far nicer not to have all the bloatware I never used.
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ekerbuddyeker said:
They are the same, aside from the pen, which I never use on all three of my notes. And far nicer not to have all the bloatware I never used.
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Sight unseen I'd bet anyone here the camera's worse, the display not as good, and the battery life poorer. Those traits are more or less "Nexus things" unless something changes this round. Now whether this time with Motorola it's different is a wild card. But there were a ton of issues with the first Moto X when it came out (I don't know if they all got resolved, I don't follow Motorola). And a potentially huge not "the same" is the lack of external storage. Want to show off full res vids on that spiffy new QHD display? You better have a 128GB external MicroSD, be on an old AT&T unlimited plan, or get on the "pay for 15GB, get 30GB" plan before it expires. I'm not bashing the Nexus 6 (especially because you can't bash vapor ) just saying they've never been the "same." Where they win hands down is value and that probably won't change this round.

ekerbuddyeker said:
They are the same, aside from the pen, which I never use on all three of my notes. And far nicer not to have all the bloatware I never used.
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Stock Android and Touchwiz are the same? I'm sorry, but I don't agree. At all.
IMO, the two devices can't be more different.

I'm not such a fan of touchwiz and the bells and whistles, that's all. And I usually load up a different launcher in any case. The decision for me will be based on the quality of the screen (which to be realistic, is probably a Samsung win...). I guess we will see.
By the way since my Note 1, I have bought and returned so many devices which the Samsung Note beat out for me. Same on note 2 and Note 3 (the last one being the g3). The Note has won every time. So far...
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ekerbuddyeker said:
I'm not such a fan of touchwiz and the bells and whistles, that's all. And I usually load up a different launcher in any case. The decision for me will be based on the quality of the screen (which to be realistic, is probably a Samsung win...). I guess we will see.
By the way since my Note 1, I have bought and returned so many devices which the Samsung Note beat out for me. Same on note 2 and Note 3 (the last one being the g3). The Note has won every time. So far...
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Yeah bro, I can almost bet anything that the Note 4 screen will kill the Nexus 6 screen. Not only are Nexus screens of lower quality compared to the competition (to cut costs), but it will also most likely be a LCD. Which I don't like compared to SAMOLED anyway.
I'm curious to see which direction you go, but the Note 4 is a killer package. I have played with it a few times at my local Best Buy.
Good luck!

I have gone into so many best buys to try out the Note 4 and I think it's lovely. ( I wouldn't buy the edge as I think it will be difficult to sell 2nd hand down the road.) But sometimes I need a change (and frankly the 4 is not that different to my Note 3). I'm sure I will buy both... But, Highlander, there can be only one (and as I mentioned above Sammy has won every other battle)...
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
This is a very odd question to me. Do you want a high productivity phablet with the s-pen, touchwiz and a ton of features, or do you want a no frills stock Android device?
They are two extremely opposite phones.
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DING DING DING. We have a winner!
It is puzzling to me that people are asking about Moto X and crap vs. a Note 4.
The Note 4 is an S pen enhanced phablet, half the questions are about plain old stock large screen phones. Different audience for the most part. I imagine there are people that will buy the Note 4 just for the size and never touch the things that make it what it is.

Go see nexus 6 section as there is a great discussion on Note 4 v Nexus 6
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Is it worth the jump from the Note 3 to the Note 4

Covered Design, Features, What was removed as well as added and a Speed Test. Is it worth the jump from the Note 3 to the Note 4?
After using the Note 3 as my main device for a year then getting the Note 4, I like to say that there is a difference and it feels refreshed. With the 1440p Display, New Touch Wiz Ui, and a few new features. Now I did notice that there are somethings missing from the Note 4 that the Note 3 had. There are also something that have been moved and changed, like the Pen Window feature is now used with the Multi-Window feature on the Note 4. Spec wise there is not a massive push but its still a beast of a phone. Watch the Full comparison below and let me know what you think. Is it worth the jump from the Note 3 to the Note 4?

No, not really. According to Engadget's review, the Note 4 barely pulls ahead benchmark wise. The Note 3 is still a very capable phone and one I will be keeping for two years. Samsung is taking a step backward and has removed the ability to add lockscreen widgets. I know some of you may not think this is a big deal, but why remove a feature that you have the OPTION to use? It's ridiculous and I personally use lockscreen widgets. Google made it a feature for a reason and for them to remove it is just absurd.
The Note 4 does not blow the Note 3 out of the water enough to justify the upgrade price for me.

Agreed, If you have the note 3, keep it. i got the note 4 only because i could go to it and keep my note 3 to give to my g/f. I will say, i do like some of the improvements in the UI, but there are a bunch of things that bug me as well. Specifically the menu button is no longer a menu button. And a lot mor bloat to turn off by default.

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No, not really. According to Engadget's review, the Note 4 barely pulls ahead benchmark wise. The Note 3 is still a very capable phone and one I will be keeping for two years. Samsung is taking a step backward and has removed the ability to add lockscreen widgets. I know some of you may not think this is a big deal, but why remove a feature that you have the OPTION to use? It's ridiculous and I personally use lockscreen widgets. Google made it a feature for a reason and for them to remove it is just absurd.
The Note 4 does not blow the Note 3 out of the water enough to justify the upgrade price for me.
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Agreed, If you have the note 3, keep it. i got the note 4 only because i could go to it and keep my note 3 to give to my g/f. I will say, i do like some of the improvements in the UI, but there are a bunch of things that bug me as well. Specifically the menu button is no longer a menu button. And a lot mor bloat to turn off by default.
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Agree as well, I did the jump cause It didn't make a difference in my payments on my Phone Bill. I sold the Note 3 and payed it off, now I have the Note 4. Truly its a step forward and two steps back in some places.

freeza said:
No, not really. According to Engadget's review, the Note 4 barely pulls ahead benchmark wise. The Note 3 is still a very capable phone and one I will be keeping for two years. Samsung is taking a step backward and has removed the ability to add lockscreen widgets. I know some of you may not think this is a big deal, but why remove a feature that you have the OPTION to use? It's ridiculous and I personally use lockscreen widgets. Google made it a feature for a reason and for them to remove it is just absurd.
The Note 4 does not blow the Note 3 out of the water enough to justify the upgrade price for me.
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Note 4 rom on the horizon?
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Probably not. I won't have one to test it on :'(

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Specifically the menu button is no longer a menu button.
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The menu button is a menu button if you hold the button...
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I played with the note 4 today for about an hour at the store and just could t justify the upgrade. To be honest, the "premium" build quality didn't feel much different from. My note 3. I put the phones side by side and I honestly could not see a difference in screen clarity. The speaker wasn't loud at all.
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rooting and custom roms will hopefully throw this phone into overdrive

Good comparison video. I will definitely be rockin my Note 3 a bit longer until the Note 5 comes out. IMHO the Note 4 is simply not that big of a deal..

Not worth switching to.

don't get me wrong, i'm loving it but coming form the note 3 its eh. Coming from the Note 2 or S3 then yes.

I'm coming from the note 3 and not at all regretting it, absolutely love the phone. Feels much nicer in the hand, runs a lot faster, I have amazing vision so I could see the pixels on the 3, but I can't on the 4, and I'm loving the camera so far. Freeza I'm sad to see you're not making the switch, yes I am pissed about the widgets myself, only thing I dislike about the phone. I never ran anything other than what you put out for the 3 and it saddens me to not have your skill anymore. I'm sure some other developer will hopefully enable lockscreen widgets and shortcuts. As for the price, yeah it is a lot, but I sold a cheap phone to best buy for two hundred and my 3 is up on eBay right now for 300, so I made money by upgrading

Damn,no freeza? Might have to take this thing back

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No, not really. According to Engadget's review, the Note 4 barely pulls ahead benchmark wise. The Note 3 is still a very capable phone and one I will be keeping for two years. Samsung is taking a step backward and has removed the ability to add lockscreen widgets. I know some of you may not think this is a big deal, but why remove a feature that you have the OPTION to use? It's ridiculous and I personally use lockscreen widgets. Google made it a feature for a reason and for them to remove it is just absurd.
The Note 4 does not blow the Note 3 out of the water enough to justify the upgrade price for me.
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Wow huge blow to the note 4 not having freeza get it they should send you one for free!!!! No im not so sure I'll be getting it..
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Its a have to have hands on to see if your interested.

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THIS! A thousand times this! I hate the menu button being changed. I've found that if you long press the new preview pane button, it gives you the same result as the old menu button.
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this is loaded question, per se. It's too subjective.
I think a lot of it depends on what tasks you're wanting to do with the phone. You already know the hardware updates. Do you use the stock Samsung or Spring software, there are improvements, especially on the Samsung side.
I even say the coming from the Note 2, it's a bit of a upgrade, which is what I'm coming from. Don't get me wrong, it's a great phone. But it wasn't the leap I experience when going from the Evo4g to the Note 2. I wasn't expecting it either.

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THIS! A thousand times this! I hate the menu button being changed. I've found that if you long press the new preview pane button, it gives you the same result as the old menu button.
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I got use to the settings button now being a recent button. Took time and it did bother me, but im over it now.

UPDATE: After almost two weeks of use, I feel as if my Note 4 has more problems than my Note 3. It crashes and lags worst than what my Note 3 ever did on a bad day.

[Q] Android L Samsung Note 4 - Dissapointed

I'm sorry, but I think some of you can agree with me on this. I will ask a question at the end, but for now, just... Samsung. So we hear that Android L is READY for thesince 4 but the carriers haven't decided to release it, even though the LG G3 just got the update...
Then, I hear that Samsung has the update ready and "done" for the S5 and Note 3. But no Note 4?...
And THEN I hear that Samsung is STILL working on the coding for Android L for the note 4! Best part, Samsung does not do a SINGLE thing to announce to its viewers what there doing for Android L, there just going off on there own little path doing what they want. The S6 Is coming out soon, why would update the S5 first then the note. Note users just got this phone, because it came out in October.
Honestly, I don't know about you guys but I feel completely put off and disrespected. I mean really, they have ZERO announcements for Android L and YET they update other phones before there Note 4 which just came out.
I've been waiting eager for this update since December, and nothing. People said soon in January, and nothing. And I was eager for the end of February. Nothing. This is getting to a point where I feel like users are going to start become irritated with this company.
So do you guys have any concrete evidence that gives a hint towards the update? I apologize for my rant, but all of its true and a lot of people I know who own the note 4 are just as fed up as me :/

I won't defend or make apologies or gripe about the delay. There was a rumor that the Oculus/Samsung Gear VR kernel developers were holding up the release of Note Lollipop. My guess is that were tweaking trying to resolve crashes and heating issues.
I also hear rumors of streamlining the update process but you also have carrier bloat and Google releasing Lollipop later. I do hope the bloat is reduced on all the aspects but I also want my S-Pen to function.
Now I will complain about the following:
KitKat was not so perfect for Google or Samsung. I didn't like the limitations on sdcard media or inability to follow links or the attempts to run apps within apps and hose the proper back and recent app jumping. There were fixes for that use Xposed framework modules. At any rate, if lollipop is more if the same, I'm in no rush to jump to lollipop without Xposed fixes for Samsung devices.
I hope Samsung listens and doesn't keep caving to Google's will like they did with the menu button. I'd hoped they would have continued the option to keep menu or recents like they initially did with the s5. I looked closely at the s5 when it came out and there was a lot to like. I checked the menu/recents swap feature and walked away confident that Samsung did a good thing pleasing all with the swapability and black background in menus but I heard that went away with updates so I'm not so encouraged going forward without without Xposed. Please ban the white background themes already.
I have a Note 8 on 4.4.2 and this on 4.4.4 which forced me to use Xposed to switch the menu and home buttons back to the classic Samsung way on the Note 4. Can't understand why Google thinks recents key is so great when you could just program a long press to switch back and forth between the two most recent apps. Oh yeah, they broke that too, meaning I have to install two Xposed modules to fix that; I did. Shame on you Google; shake on you Samsung for following after trying not change.
Edit: Just a little off topic but just watched the s6 unpack and I'm not liking the departure from removable battery. It's good that they didn't forget about fast charging with the move to wireless charging built-in but the glass back? Fingerprints? LOL! Apart from the best Amoled screen, 14nm processor, faster/efficient and cutting edge camera, Samsung is losing some of it's uniqueness and character. Admittedly, I rarely remove my battery or rear cover with the battery lasting all day. May take some getting used to the idea but I was hoping the rear cover would be removable and battery pull and replace still a user option. Fixed memory options wouldn't be bad if the price doesn't bite. Faster memory without the permission restrictions limiting apps and read write workarounds would be gone. Maybe it's only the one percent that really cares about the chassis changes and the components and specs will offset?

talk about update is here---
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-sprint/general/sprint-note-4-lollipop-leaks-t3021018

Don't blame Samsung. They've already released lollipop for some time. We are waiting on Sprint. Other carriers have pushed out the lollipop update for the note 4 a few of weeks ago
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I know that t mobile s5 has 5.0 i havent heard about any of the U.S. carriers getting the update to note 4
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Im not in any hurry for the OTA 5.0 . I use the Hybrid-X rom and it works much smother than the stock rom did, waaay tooo many bugs in the stock rom that was delivered with the Note 4 (at least the sprint version). I have Lolipop on my Nexus 7 but do not see what all the hype is about, no major pluses or upgrades for what I use my devices for. I can wait for Lolipop to show up then get turned into an even better rom!
beezar said:
Don't blame Samsung. They've already released lollipop for some time. We are waiting on Sprint. Other carriers have pushed out the lollipop update for the note 4 a few of weeks ago
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