I had a thought the other night, as I was reading up on some tech information. The site had a post discussing the official release of Ubuntu for Phones, so far only available for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
Well, since it's possible to turn the LG Optimus G into a Nexus 4, shouldn't the Nexus 4 Ubuntu ROM work on the LG Optimus G?
I know that it's all easier said than done, but I love the Ubuntu experience and as far as I know there are people that have successfully ran the beta version of Ubuntu Touch on the LG Optimus G, like here for example, but have had problems since the Nexus 4 is technically GSM only, where as the Sprint version of the LG Optimus G is CMDA.
I'm honestly tired of Jellybean, and I am just looking for a whole new mobile experience without really having to blow any more money on a smartphone. I also assume running Ubuntu on my phone would sacrifice accessibility to the play store, which I find strange since Ubuntu is currently ONLY supported for Google's flagship device, the Nexus 4 and of course Google's Galaxy Nexus.
So I guess my main questions are:
Is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu on a phone the same thing?
And is it possible to run Ubuntu phone OS on the LG Optimus G? Whether it's porting the official Nexus 4 release, or whatever other option there may be. It's probably not worth the hassle, as I've literally dug my Optimus G out of its own grave multiple times (thank you ZVC). But all I really use on my device are the main functions like call, sms, and camera, along with social media, so a lack of games and productivity apps are fine with me.
I'm probably a n00b, considering I didn't do much digging aside from seeing a few people running ubuntu touch on the LGOG succesfully, but most if not all of it dated back to the end of August through mid September, and I know the official release of Ubuntu for the Nexus 4 only dates back a few weeks ago.
tl;dr Is there a way to run Ubuntu, fully functional, on my LGOG (LS970)?
Thanks!
Video of Ubuntu Touch running on Sprint LGOG: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gRBtMPoAEvU
causeandeffectt said:
I had a thought the other night, as I was reading up on some tech information. The site had a post discussing the official release of Ubuntu for Phones, so far only available for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
Well, since it's possible to turn the LG Optimus G into a Nexus 4, shouldn't the Nexus 4 Ubuntu ROM work on the LG Optimus G?
I know that it's all easier said than done, but I love the Ubuntu experience and as far as I know there are people that have successfully ran the beta version of Ubuntu Touch on the LG Optimus G, like here for example, but have had problems since the Nexus 4 is technically GSM only, where as the Sprint version of the LG Optimus G is CMDA.
I'm honestly tired of Jellybean, and I am just looking for a whole new mobile experience without really having to blow any more money on a smartphone. I also assume running Ubuntu on my phone would sacrifice accessibility to the play store, which I find strange since Ubuntu is currently ONLY supported for Google's flagship device, the Nexus 4 and of course Google's Galaxy Nexus.
So I guess my main questions are:
Is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu on a phone the same thing?
And is it possible to run Ubuntu phone OS on the LG Optimus G? Whether it's porting the official Nexus 4 release, or whatever other option there may be. It's probably not worth the hassle, as I've literally dug my Optimus G out of its own grave multiple times (thank you ZVC). But all I really use on my device are the main functions like call, sms, and camera, along with social media, so a lack of games and productivity apps are fine with me.
I'm probably a n00b, considering I didn't do much digging aside from seeing a few people running ubuntu touch on the LGOG succesfully, but most if not all of it dated back to the end of August through mid September, and I know the official release of Ubuntu for the Nexus 4 only dates back a few weeks ago.
tl;dr Is there a way to run Ubuntu, fully functional, on my LGOG (LS970)?
Thanks!
Video of Ubuntu Touch running on Sprint LGOG: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gRBtMPoAEvU
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Honestly, at this time, no. I may be mistaken, but I think porting Ubuntu Touch to phones other than the GNex and N4 might be a ***** within itself, much less getting them halfway functional. But the guy at talk to for this would be @xboxfanj. Dude is a God when it comes to Android.
I would suggest the MIUI ROM floating around the forums for a different Android experience, but I think that build had some issues, mainly data. Not too sure.
iamterence said:
Honestly, at this time, no. I may be mistaken, but I think porting Ubuntu Touch to phones other than the GNex and N4 might be a ***** within itself, much less getting them halfway functional. But the guy at talk to for this would be @xboxfanj. Dude is a God when it comes to Android.
I would suggest the MIUI ROM floating around the forums for a different Android experience, but I think that build had some issues, mainly data. Not too sure.
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causeandeffectt said:
I had a thought the other night, as I was reading up on some tech information. The site had a post discussing the official release of Ubuntu for Phones, so far only available for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
Well, since it's possible to turn the LG Optimus G into a Nexus 4, shouldn't the Nexus 4 Ubuntu ROM work on the LG Optimus G?
I know that it's all easier said than done, but I love the Ubuntu experience and as far as I know there are people that have successfully ran the beta version of Ubuntu Touch on the LG Optimus G, like here for example, but have had problems since the Nexus 4 is technically GSM only, where as the Sprint version of the LG Optimus G is CMDA.
I'm honestly tired of Jellybean, and I am just looking for a whole new mobile experience without really having to blow any more money on a smartphone. I also assume running Ubuntu on my phone would sacrifice accessibility to the play store, which I find strange since Ubuntu is currently ONLY supported for Google's flagship device, the Nexus 4 and of course Google's Galaxy Nexus.
So I guess my main questions are:
Is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu on a phone the same thing?
And is it possible to run Ubuntu phone OS on the LG Optimus G? Whether it's porting the official Nexus 4 release, or whatever other option there may be. It's probably not worth the hassle, as I've literally dug my Optimus G out of its own grave multiple times (thank you ZVC). But all I really use on my device are the main functions like call, sms, and camera, along with social media, so a lack of games and productivity apps are fine with me.
I'm probably a n00b, considering I didn't do much digging aside from seeing a few people running ubuntu touch on the LGOG succesfully, but most if not all of it dated back to the end of August through mid September, and I know the official release of Ubuntu for the Nexus 4 only dates back a few weeks ago.
tl;dr Is there a way to run Ubuntu, fully functional, on my LGOG (LS970)?
Thanks!
Video of Ubuntu Touch running on Sprint LGOG: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=gRBtMPoAEvU
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Thanks for the kind words, @iamterence. It really means a lot.
Anyway, to answer the original question: the only major barrier to us having a (mostly) working Ubuntu Phone ROM is the fact that their telephony stack (the part of the OS itself that deals with all phone operations, and communicates with the RIL (Radio Interface Layer), which communicates with your hardware and software radio/modems) does not support CDMA yet. Even if everything device specific is in place, the OS itself does not support CDMA yet, which is possible to fix, but is something that would have to be done by people much smarter than me. Part of the reason that CDMA is not supported is that most of the development of Ubuntu takes place in Europe, which banned CDMA, as it didn't want the competing standards mess we have in the United States, meaning that the core team would be unable to test it and likely wouldn't want to focus on it yet. Verizon is on the Carrier Development Committee, so that should mean we'll get some CDMA support relatively soon (next Spring maybe).
xboxfanj said:
Thanks for the kind words, @iamterence. It really means a lot.
Anyway, to answer the original question: the only major barrier to us having a (mostly) working Ubuntu Phone ROM is the fact that their telephony stack (the part of the OS itself that deals with all phone operations, and communicates with the RIL (Radio Interface Layer), which communicates with your hardware and software radio/modems) does not support CDMA yet. Even if everything device specific is in place, the OS itself does not support CDMA yet, which is possible to fix, but is something that would have to be done by people much smarter than me. Part of the reason that CDMA is not supported is that most of the development of Ubuntu takes place in Europe, which banned CDMA, as it didn't want the competing standards mess we have in the United States, meaning that the core team would be unable to test it and likely wouldn't want to focus on it yet. Verizon is on the Carrier Development Committee, so that should mean we'll get some CDMA support relatively soon (next Spring maybe).
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I too am interested in this. Sounds like we're pretty much stuck until official CDMA support is rolled in. Hopefully this will happen sooner than later (spring isn't too far away, but sooner would be nice ) I'm not at all trying to pin you down or make you commit to anything, but I am curious if this is something you'd consider taking up when CDMA support does become native? Just curious if I should be hopeful to see Ubuntu Touch on our phone or not. I for one am pretty excited by their OS thus far, at least from the things I've seen. Haven't held one in my hands or anything.
mobius1484 said:
I too am interested in this. Sounds like we're pretty much stuck until official CDMA support is rolled in. Hopefully this will happen sooner than later (spring isn't too far away, but sooner would be nice ) I'm not at all trying to pin you down or make you commit to anything, but I am curious if this is something you'd consider taking up when CDMA support does become native? Just curious if I should be hopeful to see Ubuntu Touch on our phone or not. I for one am pretty excited by their OS thus far, at least from the things I've seen. Haven't held one in my hands or anything.
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Absolutely. I really like the OS, but can't run it for more than five minutes considering the lack of CDMA, although, I heard from GEEB users that they also don't have service. Not sure why that is, since mako and us use the same radio libraries.
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Absolutely. I really like the OS, but can't run it for more than five minutes considering the lack of CDMA, although, I heard from GEEB users that they also don't have service. Not sure why that is, since mako and us use the same radio libraries.
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Very nice. Hopefully things will move along quickly. I also hope that the OS matures at a rapid rate so that it will meet a reasonable user's needs in the near future.
From what I've read/seen, the operating system IS able to boot on our phones, but as xboxfanj said, the lack of cdma support is what kills us. If we were on a gsm network (or once everything moves on to the lte network) , as is the rest of the world, it would hypothetically be non-issue. However, it is still in development preview regardless, so features haven't necessarily been fully implemented. Regardless, I like to break things, so I'm eventually going to see if I can't get it to boot, just to see how it feels if it ever does gain cdma support, or I just happen to eventually upgrade
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Hey guys, if your still interested, you may want to take a look at my post on dual-booting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48890845
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Hey guys, if your still interested, you may want to take a look at my post on dual-booting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48890845
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That was a bit fun having a go on. It definitely feels early in maturity. Hopefully the development community will move it along quickly.
mobius1484 said:
That was a bit fun having a go on. It definitely feels early in maturity. Hopefully the development community will move it along quickly.
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Yeah I never got around to messing with the dual boot yesterday but the OS is pretty smooth. Navigation may take a bit to get used to(Im so used to the home and back capacitive buttons) but it does still feel early in maturity. I would like to get a running version of this simply because it's so completely different from our other choices currently. AOSP roms are obviously going to have a lot in common so this would be a nice change.
HPTesla said:
Yeah I never got around to messing with the dual boot yesterday but the OS is pretty smooth. Navigation may take a bit to get used to(Im so used to the home and back capacitive buttons) but it does still feel early in maturity. I would like to get a running version of this simply because it's so completely different from our other choices currently. AOSP roms are obviously going to have a lot in common so this would be a nice change.
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I agree about the navigation bit, definitely feels like it will take some getting used to, however I must say that swiping up from the bottom of the screen (brings up the back button and what should be the rest of the navigation ) does seem fairly intuitive for the OS. I am going to miss the home and back buttons being so quick to access. It is certainly the biggest digression from the normal stuff around here. With the fact that it can be dual booted with Android, I think there is a lot of potential down the road for this. Especially since that way users can experience and dabble with it while it gains maturity and has kinks worked out, but a simple reboot takes brings back full functionality. Seems like the best of both worlds honestly.
mobius1484 said:
I agree about the navigation bit, definitely feels like it will take some getting used to, however I must say that swiping up from the bottom of the screen (brings up the back button and what should be the rest of the navigation ) does seem fairly intuitive for the OS. I am going to miss the home and back buttons being so quick to access. It is certainly the biggest digression from the normal stuff around here. With the fact that it can be dual booted with Android, I think there is a lot of potential down the road for this. Especially since that way users can experience and dabble with it while it gains maturity and has kinks worked out, but a simple reboot takes brings back full functionality. Seems like the best of both worlds honestly.
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Yeah I totally agree - and I do like the swiping up bit. It's how I have PIE controls currently enabled. Being able to dual boot in and of itself would be awesome. I would also like this to gain some traction. I can run a full ubuntu desktop on my lgog now(via terminal emulator and androidvnc), its much smoother than my old evo, but still far from perfect. It's funny seeing someones face the first time they see me use GIMP or vlc on my phone. I understand why ubuntu touch/phone is a bigger priority for Canonical though.
EDIT: Just read an article where Mark Shuttleworth (CEO of Canonical) stated that Ubuntu for TV,Tablet and Android will be available in Ubuntu 14.04 (Next LTS version due this April), so hopefully he isn't bsing.
HPTesla said:
Yeah I totally agree - and I do like the swiping up bit. It's how I have PIE controls currently enabled. Being able to dual boot in and of itself would be awesome. I would also like this to gain some traction. I can run a full ubuntu desktop on my lgog now(via terminal emulator and androidvnc), its much smoother than my old evo, but still far from perfect. It's funny seeing someones face the first time they see me use GIMP or vlc on my phone. I understand why ubuntu touch/phone is a bigger priority for Canonical though.
EDIT: Just read an article where Mark Shuttleworth (CEO of Canonical) stated that Ubuntu for TV,Tablet and Android will be available in Ubuntu 14.04 (Next LTS version due this April), so hopefully he isn't bsing.
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That's pretty cool running the full desktop. I remember seeing that back when it was announced. I think it would be really neat. I mean it makes a lot of sense to me as phones become increasingly more powerful. It seems like ARM support is still needing some refinement. I've been running xubuntu in a chroot on my Samsung Chromebook. While it does work not everything does as smoothly as x86 and 64 hardware.
Is androidvnc a VM app? Sounds pretty interesting. I have free access to VMWare for PC, because of my major, but have yet to mess with it. Yeah I can see why Canonical places so much importance on the touch version, I mean the mobile market is exploding.
I really hope the information in your edit comes to pass. Hopefully that means they're focusing on improving ARM support.
mobius1484 said:
Is androidvnc a VM app? Sounds pretty interesting. I have free access to VMWare for PC, because of my major, but have yet to mess with it.
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VNC stands for Virtual Network Computing but not the same as VMWare. Think "remote control" for a pc. So basically you use Terminal emulator to install Ubuntu and run it, then you use vnc to remotely control it by connecting to whats running in the terminal. It will bring up the OS when connected. It's meant to control the computer remotely, but in this case it's the only way I know of to use the Ubuntu thats running in the terminal(at least graphically). I have both Oracle Virtualbox and VMWare on my computer because I only use Linux. So if I REALLY need something windows based(Like LGNPST for our phone) I'll use VMWare. The wine frontend for Linux is pretty hit or miss so I never use it(I dont even have it installed anymore), I just load Windows virtually. Normally I use WindowsXP on Virtualbox but LGNPST doesnt play well with Virtualbox(USB isnt handled the same way as VMWare).
If you see an app in the play store called Complete Linux Installer, that's what it does. It installs the ARM version of Ubuntu(or whatever distro you pick), then runs it in terminal emulator. But to see the GUI you then have to log in via AndroidVNC(or a similar VNC program, only ever used AndroidVNC though).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that their are some other requirements, like a kernel that supports loopback devices.
HPTesla said:
VNC stands for Virtual Network Computing but not the same as VMWare. Think "remote control" for a pc. So basically you use Terminal emulator to install Ubuntu and run it, then you use vnc to remotely control it by connecting to whats running in the terminal. It will bring up the OS when connected. It's meant to control the computer remotely, but in this case it's the only way I know of to use the Ubuntu thats running in the terminal(at least graphically). I have both Oracle Virtualbox and VMWare on my computer because I only use Linux. So if I REALLY need something windows based(Like LGNPST for our phone) I'll use VMWare. The wine frontend for Linux is pretty hit or miss so I never use it(I dont even have it installed anymore), I just load Windows virtually. Normally I use WindowsXP on Virtualbox but LGNPST doesnt play well with Virtualbox(USB isnt handled the same way as VMWare).
If you see an app in the play store called Complete Linux Installer, that's what it does. It installs the ARM version of Ubuntu(or whatever distro you pick), then runs it in terminal emulator. But to see the GUI you then have to log in via AndroidVNC(or a similar VNC program, only ever used AndroidVNC though).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that their are some other requirements, like a kernel that supports loopback devices.
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Oh okay, actually can't say I've ever heard of that before. Sounds pretty interesting really. I always love tinkering with things. Honestly I need to spend more time in Linux so I can become a CLI ninja master. I originally added it to my chromebook so I could use Open/Libre Office for when I needed a more complete experience for things like papers which are a bit hellish to format properly in GDrive (one of its weakest aspects honestly). Does the stock CM11 kernel have the loop back support? Is it much work to remote in? I've only used Chrome remote before.
mobius1484 said:
Oh okay, actually can't say I've ever heard of that before. Sounds pretty interesting really. I always love tinkering with things. Honestly I need to spend more time in Linux so I can become a CLI ninja master. I originally added it to my chromebook so I could use Open/Libre Office for when I needed a more complete experience for things like papers which are a bit hellish to format properly in GDrive (one of its weakest aspects honestly). Does the stock CM11 kernel have the loop back support? Is it much work to remote in? I've only used Chrome remote before.
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Yeah cm11 kernel should. My experience has been that most non stock kernels should have it. And by non stock I mean the exact kernel that came with your device, both the lgog and my old evo wouldnt support loopback until I either flashed something like CM or in the case of my lgog flashed viper kernel(still running stock). It's not hard to do at all, but if you want the easiest quickest method here is the play store link for Complete Linux Installer. Even the free version has step by step instructions on what you need and how to use it. It will also download some of the distro images for you thru the app. They are big images obviously so Wifi is recommended.
On Canada E973 post they have rom for ubuntu touch
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2600702
[ROM] Ubuntu Touch [Jan-8-2014]
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Hey everyone!
I just came over from the n900 camp.
I bought the new Captivate Glide (SGH-I927) yesterday (from Rogers), and I'm loving it so far. It is my first Android phone, though I also have a rooted Iconia Tab a100.
I'm a *nix administrator and hope to be able to contribute something useful to this community.
At the moment, I'm trying to get root, but it looks like I'm the only person in the world with this device, so far. I've tried a few things, but I'm cautious as it seems Samsung hasn't released the stock firmware yet (annoyingly).
Patience, I know. Anyway, if anyone is interested, here are the phone details:
Android 2.3.5
Baseband: I927RUXKJ5
Kernel: 2.6.36.3
Build number: GINGERBREAD.RUXKJ5
If anyone's curious to know more about it, ask away.
If I do manage to find the firmware or get root, I'll post it here.
Try super one click to root.
i'm sure if that device is somewhat popular it will get its own dedicated forum soon.
Have you ever had the OG captivate? Just wondering if you like it better than the original. How is the keyboard and the performance? We just got a ICS port, maybe you shoulda got an og
studacris said:
Try super one click to root.
i'm sure if that device is somewhat popular it will get its own dedicated forum soon.
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Trying, but I'm having a hard time getting ADB working under Windows. It's running in a virtualbox VM, so I guess that may be the problem. Still working on it.
ponyoninja said:
Have you ever had the OG captivate? Just wondering if you like it better than the original. How is the keyboard and the performance? We just got a ICS port, maybe you shoulda got an og
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Nope. First Android phone.
I'm hoping ICS will make its way to this one eventually... right now I'd just settle for root.
Keyboard is okay. n900's was better. Performance is, well, for an ex-n900 user, unbelievable.
Got my Samsung Glide on Sunday at the AT&T store. They only received two of them and I was lucky enough to get one. I am coming from a Sony X10 which I rooted with Super One Click. I am afraid to do Super One Click on the Glide until others with more knowledge give it a try.
This phone is so much faster and the camera is 1,000 times better (even though the X10 was 8.1 MP).
The keyboard is why I bought it and so far, LOVE the phone!!! Would love it even more if rooted, so hopefully others have luck rooting it.
sscianna said:
Got my Samsung Glide on Sunday at the AT&T store. They only received two of them and I was lucky enough to get one. I am coming from a Sony X10 which I rooted with Super One Click. I am afraid to do Super One Click on the Glide until others with more knowledge give it a try.
This phone is so much faster and the camera is 1,000 times better (even though the X10 was 8.1 MP).
The keyboard is why I bought it and so far, LOVE the phone!!! Would love it even more if rooted, so hopefully others have luck rooting it.
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Tried SuperOneClick; no luck. Looks like the kernel we're running is actually from Honeycomb and I guess they patched the vulnerability zergRush was exploiting.
This is really irritating, coming from the n900 world. Google should really clamp down on this whole anti-root nonsense. It is unbelievably customer-hostile.
Got my wife a Glide on Sunday. Glad to see others trying to root like myself. Super one click did nothing for me also:-(
+1 on rooting this thing. Its only been out for 2 days, but it doesnt seem like many people are getting the phone. It would help if we had our own forum.
Post here so to help the chances of us getting our own forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301121
Give zergRush a shot. That thing is rooting just about anything.
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zergRush doesn't work; I don't know much about it but I recall it being a kernel exploit, and the SGH-I927 uses 2.6.36.3 (I think the standard Honeycomb kernel).
I'll be picking up my Captivate Glide tonight or tomorrow I think. Hopefully we can find a root. Doesn't look like many people are buying this device just yet. Hopefully we'll get a dedicated forum.
I picked up one of these on Sunday when it became available (I have been waiting for this phone for months!).
This is now my 3rd Android phone on ATT (Moto Backflip, Moto Flipside, and now Samsung Captivate Glide).
You'll notice that every phone so far has had a physical QWERTY kb (I can't stand using touchscreens for typing).
I do have to say though, that this keyboard is my least favorite of the 3 devices (both the Moto's had a much better feel to the keyboards, sort of bubble buttons, not 100% flat like the kb buttons on the Glide).
The negative difference in the keyboard though is not enough to out-weigh ALL of the positives this phone has over the Moto's (CPU(!!!), screen size, camera, built-in storage, etc, etc). Not to mention getting Gingerbread(2.3) over Android 2.1!
Anyways, I too had looked briefly into rooting this phone, and I just began with looking for root programs for Android 2.3.5 (the Glides android version), and I could not easily find one, granted, I did not look all that hard.
I had/have previously rooted my previous 2 android phones though. And even installed the latest CyanogenMod onto my Backflip (that CPU was just TOOO SLOW, UGH...)
I would hope that a dedicated forum for this phone is coming, as it really has potential. I am holding off on the root search for now, and just looking for basics... like USB drivers / mass storage capabilities when hooked up to a computer.
Does anyone have some directions on this basic stuff?
Thanks!
Well, at least switching it to mass storage mode is easy:
Settings->Wireless and network->USB utilities->Connect storage to PC
I agree with you on the KB. It sucks. It's not unusable, but my n900's keyboard was way better. Still doesn't detract significantly from the overall awesomeness of the device.
... except the root issue, which is seriously aggravating.
Your computer should automatically download the drivers needed for USB connectivity.....if that's what you were referring to.
Have you guys tried the boog kernal??
gatormatt said:
Have you guys tried the boog kernal??
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I think the problem is no root access, hence no access to applications that would allow custom kernels to boot. Getting my g/f one in the coming weeks so hopefully development takes off!
i guess your other option is to whip up a rooted stock kernel and drop it in through Odin/Heimdall. Thats what i used on my Galaxy S 2. Good Luck.
I doubt there will be much dev action for the Glide, as they seem to have moved on to SGS II i777. Unfortunately for people who like physical boards, they are basically dead. Android started out strong for physical boards with the G1 and the DROID, but after DROID 2, no carrier has been carrying a flagship device with a 'board. Even the DROID 3, which is an impressive phone in it's own right, was already overshadowed by Verizon's 4G LTE, which currently doesn't have a high-end keyboarded device.
I wish they would keep going with physical boards, but I finally gave up hope and got an iPhone. My need for high-end phones is greater than my need for a keyboard, so I'm admitting defeat.
I was actually going in to att today to grab a sky rocket, and saw the glide by accident. As soon as I saw the physical kb, I was sold. Love the glide so far.
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http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
An interesting change, I'd say...
Care to give those of us to lazy to read this, the readers digest version?
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mauricehall said:
Care to give those of us to lazy to read this, the readers digest version?
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CM9 will come with root access turned off (from the rom) by default. There is a new option so that you can turn root on be it for
Disabled,
Enabled for ADB only
Enabled for Apps only
Enabled for both.
That's all this really is.
Root is taken out of the builds for security purposes. You can enable root through adb.
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CharlyDigital said:
Root is taken out of the builds for security purposes. You can enable root through adb.
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You CAN enable ADB root using ADB which almost seems like a security flaw ADB root access is off by default as well.
But from what I have read ADB will not be required to set this. It just has to be changed by the user from the development options.
I have been wondering about this for a looooooong time. When we root our devices we are voluntarily opening up the biggest hole possible. I'm glad to see it addressed in such a practical manner.
Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
kthejoker20 said:
Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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....maybe it's just the devices you've owned?
Ask someone with an OG droid, or someone with an Evo, or a Hero, or a GSM Samsung Anything....Hell, CM7 is fantastic on my Nook Color....Cm9 is too, though--I don't remember--I think It's a kang....
The only issue I've had has been with CDMA Samsung handsets...
EDIT: I guess what I mean to say is, there is so much to support that unless you have one of the heavily supported (or easily supported) devices then the fact that it boots up and works at all should be impressive enough.....On all the above mentioned devices I had a nearly flawless experience far preferable to stock....and even with the CM7 kangs (though I haven't tried the CM9s yet). I'm not so sure we'll ever get official support at this rate, though I'm not convinced that's a death sentence. Bubby's Cm7 was working nearly flawlessly for me, aside from a scant few mildly irritating bugs....
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Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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I saw nightlies left and right on my OG Evo and though the E4GT may not get official CM7 support, We'll surely get offical CM9.
They couldn't get much done for a while because they were using older servers that couldn't keep up. Now they have nightlies going on the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Xoom, Asus Transformer, Asus Transformer Prime, and the HP Touchpad.
I'm sure we'll get nightlies soon enough and you'll be seeing official functioning ROM's everywhere.
We already have functional CM9.
What is AOKP built on anyway?
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http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
An interesting change, I'd say...
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I think they're trying to go mainstream, maybe OEMs will start putting CM on their phones instead of their own skins. It would be a huge selling point.
phatmanxxl said:
maybe OEMs will start putting CM on their phones instead of their own skins. It would be a huge selling point.
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Problem is the root is still easily accessible. You would see them providing rooting methods for their own software before you saw that. The carriers would also want nothing to do with it. The manufacturer still has the concern of warranty while the carriers have the concern of tethering etc. Carriers likely would never reject an entire manufacturers line, they will always have to cave to some things they do not like.
Though selling unlocked devices with CM much as PC manufacturers will sell hardware with alternative operating systems isn't outrageous. As for the concern of warranty and software caused damage. Routers for example have set a precedent in the support of custom firmware while maintaining warranty. There is plenty of unbricking support in routers. Though providing accessible jtag interfaces in devices that would be sold both retail and unlocked would probably be interesting. Thats just a need in a worst case scenario though not required.
They do seem to be moving in that direction for whatever intent or purpose.
The Samsung Galaxy S2 is actually listed by Mozilla as a supported device for Firefox OS....
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites
... with one important note:
Samsung Galaxy S2
The only model that works is the i9100; no other variants are officially compatible. (i9100P might work, since the only change is a NFC chip added)
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Does this mean our SGH-T989 will not be compatible? Has anyone actually tried Firefox OS with our model?
If someone tried it, there would probably be a thread on it somewhere. About it working on our devices, just take a step back and think, can we run i9000 roms? Our phones and the i9000 are pretty different and I doubt Mozilla would go out of their way to get a t989 and do the work themselves, since our phone isnt International and only sold in a handful or markets. Can it be made to work on our phones? Possibly, with a knowledgeable Dev doing the work, and even then who knows.
The OS as a whole seems to be still in a "beta" form so its not ready yet for the consumer so I doubt anyone would do all the work to port it over to have a half assed OS on their phones, but possibly with time, when the OS is good to go for the market someone will do the leg work to port it over to our phones, but I probably wouldnt hold my breath.
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If someone tried it, there would probably be a thread on it somewhere. About it working on our devices, just take a step back and think, can we run i9000 roms? Our phones and the i9000 are pretty different and I doubt Mozilla would go out of their way to get a t989 and do the work themselves, since our phone isnt International and only sold in a handful or markets. Can it be made to work on our phones? Possibly, with a knowledgeable Dev doing the work, and even then who knows.
The OS as a whole seems to be still in a "beta" form so its not ready yet for the consumer so I doubt anyone would do all the work to port it over to have a half assed OS on their phones, but possibly with time, when the OS is good to go for the market someone will do the leg work to port it over to our phones, but I probably wouldnt hold my breath.
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Still to this day android is still a beta imo
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Does this mean our SGH-T989 will not be compatible?
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The only model that works is the i9100; no other variants are officially compatible.
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not clear enough?
don728871 said:
Still to this day android is still a beta imo
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You could say that. I personally think it was beta back in the Gingerbread days, and ICS was a huge improvement and JB is the topping to the ice cream sandwich lol, imo JB is like rc, its a finished product, it can only get better.
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You could say that. I personally think it was beta back in the Gingerbread days, and ICS was a huge improvement and JB is the topping to the ice cream sandwich lol, imo JB is like rc, its a finished product, it can only get better.
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Then sooo were iOS 1,2 and 3 lol. You guys just say that because even in the 2.x days android was faaaaar lagging behind iOS in both the software AND hardware requirements. Jellybean was the first rendition to properly render GUI elements using the GPU (ICS started it, wasn't complete though) hence the notorious "android lag.". IOS was smooth from the start, powervmr .
That being said, I personally dislike Apple products, go figure
RXDriv3r said:
If someone tried it, there would probably be a thread on it somewhere. About it working on our devices, just take a step back and think, can we run i9000 roms? Our phones and the i9000 are pretty different and I doubt Mozilla would go out of their way to get a t989 and do the work themselves, since our phone isnt International and only sold in a handful or markets. Can it be made to work on our phones? Possibly, with a knowledgeable Dev doing the work, and even then who knows.
The OS as a whole seems to be still in a "beta" form so its not ready yet for the consumer so I doubt anyone would do all the work to port it over to have a half assed OS on their phones, but possibly with time, when the OS is good to go for the market someone will do the leg work to port it over to our phones, but I probably wouldnt hold my breath.
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don728871 said that Android is still a Beta. In a sense, that is true. It's a work in progress that will probably not end. Ever. In that sense, it is still a beta as it also takes in data and user submitted reviews about their issues, likes, dislikes and the such to make it better and better and better.
Now, for Firefox OS, I'd consider it more of a pre-release alpha. They've got the concept down, they've got a working-ish OS for the most part but yes, like you said, it's a half assed ish OS for the most part and probably, nobody would use this as their daily driver until a stable beta (after extensive testing, updates and stuff) is released.
So for now, nothing to expect here. Let's move along shall we?
Wait a sec, let's look at iOS.
Now, yeah, people say it's lag free. True-ish for the most part...
but let's look at it from another perspective. Has iOS 6 changed in any way?
Yeah, I guess in optimization and whatnot but come on, what OS has changed so dramatically?
Evolved in such a way that it's already awesome but it just keeps getting better and better?
That, as we all know, is android. From Cupcake, we've come a long way to Jelly Bean.
That was 4 years ago. Took a while...
Now knowing how other OS's evolved,
it is now safe to assume that Firefox OS isn't going anywhere far for now.
Ooshi said:
don728871 said that Android is still a Beta. In a sense, that is true. It's a work in progress that will probably not end. Ever. In that sense, it is still a beta as it also takes in data and user submitted reviews about their issues, likes, dislikes and the such to make it better and better and better.
Now, for Firefox OS, I'd consider it more of a pre-release alpha. They've got the concept down, they've got a working-ish OS for the most part but yes, like you said, it's a half assed ish OS for the most part and probably, nobody would use this as their daily driver until a stable beta (after extensive testing, updates and stuff) is released.
So for now, nothing to expect here. Let's move along shall we?
Wait a sec, let's look at iOS.
Now, yeah, people say it's lag free. True-ish for the most part...
but let's look at it from another perspective. Has iOS 6 changed in any way?
Yeah, I guess in optimization and whatnot but come on, what OS has changed so dramatically?
Evolved in such a way that it's already awesome but it just keeps getting better and better?
That, as we all know, is android. From Cupcake, we've come a long way to Jelly Bean.
That was 4 years ago. Took a while...
Now knowing how other OS's evolved,
it is now safe to assume that Firefox OS isn't going anywhere far for now.
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Excellent point! Android Evolution has been gradual and drastic ... but still, when it did pick up, it was different. I think if Firefox OS can include a captivating element right from the start, it can make an impact. However, I don't see it being too radically remarkable.
Hey all, I've been informed by my carrier (Rogers Canada) that I'm eligible for a phone upgrade- and the Optimus G is one of the cheap options!! I have a few questions for the community before I'm totally sold...
1) How big are the /system and /data partitions? I'm on an old Optimus One and it's PAINFULLY low on storage.
2) Any word on NFC working in CM 10.1? I've done searches and whatnot but it seems to be quite the quandary right now. NFC is a pretty big draw for me and unfortunately I read that the hardware chip is different from the Nexus 4.
3) What is the latest root-able stock ROM? A lot of guides I see advise against going past 4.0.3, but I would like to run 4.1 (Google tells me an update was released in December) .
4) What are the odds of custom kernel/ROM support going forward? I have no idea what the community is like for this phone, and these boards look rather sparse. Hack-ability is a big (perhaps the biggest) feature for me too.
I really am leaning towards this phone- it's either the G or a Note 1, and it's a tad behind the times (dual core, 1 gig/ram). Though the Note 1 does have a really active hacking community.
Thanks to anyone who takes the time to reply. Cheers!
Keep everything stock, just root it and delete all the bloat ware.. works great.
1)On korean version sysyem is 2gb and data 25gb
sunami88 said:
Hey all, I've been informed by my carrier (Rogers Canada) that I'm eligible for a phone upgrade- and the Optimus G is one of the cheap options!! I have a few questions for the community before I'm totally sold...
1) How big are the /system and /data partitions? I'm on an old Optimus One and it's PAINFULLY low on storage.
no idea but it's a 32gb phone, there is probably no problem with it.
2) Any word on NFC working in CM 10.1? I've done searches and whatnot but it seems to be quite the quandary right now. NFC is a pretty big draw for me and unfortunately I read that the hardware chip is different from the Nexus 4.
no rom support NFC or hardware cap keys as of now
3) What is the latest root-able stock ROM? A lot of guides I see advise against going past 4.0.3, but I would like to run 4.1 (Google tells me an update was released in December) .
The latest Rogers is rootable (it's easier to root first and update later, keep root). Korean 4.1 update is rootable so I would guess Rogers 4.1 will also be rootable. We actually have a pretty good Can Dev community.
4) What are the odds of custom kernel/ROM support going forward? I have no idea what the community is like for this phone, and these boards look rather sparse. Hack-ability is a big (perhaps the biggest) feature for me too.
As of now there isn't much custom roms (you can see that yourself) But there is lots of potential.
I really am leaning towards this phone- it's either the G or a Note 1, and it's a tad behind the times (dual core, 1 gig/ram). Though the Note 1 does have a really active hacking community.
Thanks to anyone who takes the time to reply. Cheers!
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I also got a OG from Rogers and I might sell it and just use my N4. Storage is not an issue for me. More money in my pochet in the end and endless community support.
I would get a LGOG. The Note is really old and it's going to be two generations behind once new phones are launched in Q1 2013.
Wow, thanks for the replies! All that's left now is hope Rogers doesn't try and pull a fast one on me.
Update: The phone's on order! Can't wait to play around with my new device.
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Keep everything stock, just root it and delete all the bloat ware.. works great.
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I tend to agree. I was planning on flashing some ROMs, but after playing around with the phone for a few days, I must say I actually like LG 's Android skin. Not as heavily skinned/modded as Sense, but enough tweaks to add to the stock experience rather than detract from it.
In my opinion anyway.
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Update: The phone's on order! Can't wait to play around with my new device.
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Once you get it, root it, unlock it and throw the jelly bean Rom on it.. I loved my phone before but I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is better now.. more responsive, some nice built in features and better battery life..
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I'll probably stick with the stock ROM for a while. It'll be nice when some replacement kernel's start turning up. I use CIFS a lot on my current phone, and I would like to have OTG. Hmm, I might be able to insert the relevant modules once I have root...
Hell, if it ever gets Android 5 officially I might not have to flash a third party ROM at all .
I tried out a family member's S4 and I saw the potential that Android had over apple so I got a ZL for my upgrade.
I am a bit new (I've used iphone 4 for the past 3 years). I was wondering if someone can provide me with some sort of guide that I can read about android, and what I should be doing after getting a new phone to ensure it runs smoothly.
my opinion on the phone so far.
the screen is a little bad compared to the S4 screen. The black on the S4 vs the black on this phone are much different but apart from that, they are both teh same. I like the phone so far, I only need to be able to find the apps that I was able to find on ios now.
Well if you come here then do what most of us do after got an android phone...
ROOT it...flash a custom roms, you can get many in here if you search...then you are done...apps in ios sometimes the same in android...
There are some assential app after rooting just be sure to google it or ask here if to know more...
But rooting need a little base knowledge to do and hope if there is a step by step tutorial, be sure to follow them exactly...but rooting or rather unlocking boot loader will cancel warranty..so it's up to you...
gjtalin said:
I tried out a family member's S4 and I saw the potential that Android had over apple so I got a ZL for my upgrade.
I am a bit new (I've used iphone 4 for the past 3 years). I was wondering if someone can provide me with some sort of guide that I can read about android, and what I should be doing after getting a new phone to ensure it runs smoothly.
my opinion on the phone so far.
the screen is a little bad compared to the S4 screen. The black on the S4 vs the black on this phone are much different but apart from that, they are both teh same. I like the phone so far, I only need to be able to find the apps that I was able to find on ios now.
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For the time being, I'd advise against the above poster's suggestions. Don't look into rooting or custom ROMs or anything like that if you're new to Android. Android is a great operating system, highly customisable and more fun in my opinion than iOS. I wouldn't expect you to need to worry about making it run smoothly, for your needs, as the ZL is a powerful phone.
Just search through all the settings menus and enjoy the freedom of choice that iOS never gave you. In the standard Android that comes with the ZL (known as the 'stock' operating system around here) you can't break anything, so have fun with it! Download some apps on the Play store, and build up your knowledge from there.
When you're more familiar with your needs, and Android in general, then maybe you can look into advanced options. But for now, they're really not needed. Welcome to Android!
schnidex said:
For the time being, I'd advise against the above poster's suggestions. Don't look into rooting or custom ROMs or anything like that if you're new to Android. Android is a great operating system, highly customisable and more fun in my opinion than iOS. I wouldn't expect you to need to worry about making it run smoothly, for your needs, as the ZL is a powerful phone.
Just search through all the settings menus and enjoy the freedom of choice that iOS never gave you. In the standard Android that comes with the ZL (known as the 'stock' operating system around here) you can't break anything, so have fun with it! Download some apps on the Play store, and build up your knowledge from there.
When you're more familiar with your needs, and Android in general, then maybe you can look into advanced options. But for now, they're really not needed. Welcome to Android!
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you are right, I agree with you.
It's such a pain currently, trying to unlcok my old iphone and transfer contacts/texts to my ZL.. I honestly hate all this bs but its hard to find a free procedure to get all that done
gjtalin said:
you are right, I agree with you.
It's such a pain currently, trying to unlcok my old iphone and transfer contacts/texts to my ZL.. I honestly hate all this bs but its hard to find a free procedure to get all that done
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Heres a good guide to migrate contacts from an Iphone to Android. Im sure similar exists for moving over texts.
If you don't already have a gmail account - you're gonna want one to access the Android Play Store.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-transfer-your-contacts-between-iphone-and-android/
gjtalin said:
you are right, I agree with you.
It's such a pain currently, trying to unlcok my old iphone and transfer contacts/texts to my ZL.. I honestly hate all this bs but its hard to find a free procedure to get all that done
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You can download Sony's PC companion software. It has free transfer tools for iPhone users.
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needmoregigs said:
You can download Sony's PC companion software. It has free transfer tools for iPhone users.
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that program doesn't work for me.
I honestly thing sony just made up the program and made them crash each time.
gjtalin said:
I tried out a family member's S4 and I saw the potential that Android had over apple so I got a ZL for my upgrade.
I am a bit new (I've used iphone 4 for the past 3 years). I was wondering if someone can provide me with some sort of guide that I can read about android, and what I should be doing after getting a new phone to ensure it runs smoothly.
my opinion on the phone so far.
the screen is a little bad compared to the S4 screen. The black on the S4 vs the black on this phone are much different but apart from that, they are both teh same. I like the phone so far, I only need to be able to find the apps that I was able to find on ios now.
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Welcome to Android buddy! I came from iOS as well in December, and theres no way i'm ever going back. You should also have no issue finding your apps from iOS, as the google play store is just as good in my opinion. It has all the apps i ever used, plus more.
gjtalin said:
that program doesn't work for me.
I honestly thing sony just made up the program and made them crash each time.
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Bullmud
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sincere advise give it back mate, it's not that good compared to S4, HTC One, LG optimus G Pro btw I hate S4. If it's a cost thing may i suggest go for LG Optimus G Pro, you get more for your money. That's what I've got and I Ditching my zl