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Gingerbread?

Aren't we like behind the times with froyo?
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Really?! I never would've thought it.
I guess you'd better get started developing it.
Texted while driving

I was just asking, I'm no developer, but I have seen other devices with it, I apologize if I offended you or interupted your texting
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You obviously missed my point. Your question was akin to telling people standing in the rain that it's raining. We all know our phone is running an outdated OS, that's why the current CM7 port is under way.

and don't worry, there won't be a release after gingerbread in a while because google is making sure that some fragmentation is going to be removed, which will allow manufacturers to catch up to the google release cycle

I'm not so sure.. And while I was interested in getting 2.2, i've been running that since December. While 2.3 is the latest, I don't believe it offers much of an improvement over 2.2, so other than just saying I'm running 2.3, I don't know what the big deal is, maybe someone can enlighten me and make me anxious for 2.3?
With that said, my guess is most people will be happy with 2.3 for all of about a week. Then they will be wanting something else for their pathetic lives.

socos25 said:
I'm not so sure.. And while I was interested in getting 2.2, i've been running that since December. While 2.3 is the latest, I don't believe it offers much of an improvement over 2.2, so other than just saying I'm running 2.3, I don't know what the big deal is, maybe someone can enlighten me and make me anxious for 2.3?
With that said, my guess is most people will be happy with 2.3 for all of about a week. Then they will be wanting something else for their pathetic lives.
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GPU acceleration in certain parts of the OS, improved JIT, better battery, need I say more?
And there wouldn't be anything to ask for if Samsung had anything other than piss poor software.

I thought only the Nexus phones had Gingerbread so far.
If I'm correct, then we're not really behind - the developer phones are just ahead as I'd expect them to be.
If I'm wrong, then I'm an idiot as I expect me to be.

dchawk81 said:
I thought only the Nexus phones had Gingerbread so far.
If I'm correct, then we're not really behind - the developer phones are just ahead as I'd expect them to be.
If I'm wrong, then I'm an idiot as I expect me to be.
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All of Sony's new Xperia phones have Gbread, though they're only released in Europe, not to mention the Gbread roms leaked for thr Droid 2/X, but so far only the NEXUS's have official Gbread in the U.S.

Oh okay thanks for that. I had no idea what the Xperias were running.
I still don't think we're actually behind. Every mid level and up phone having Gingerbread while we don't...THAT'S behind.
Of course we're not bleeding edge, but we never were.

dchawk81 said:
Oh okay thanks for that. I had no idea what the Xperias were running.
I still don't think we're actually behind. Every mid level and up phone having Gingerbread while we don't...THAT'S behind.
Of course we're not bleeding edge, but we never were.
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Just the fact that we are even uncertain about Gbread in the future is a problem. Even LG (a no name as far as Android is concerned) has promised a Gbread update for its Optimus 1 (a phone selling for between FREE an $50 on contract)

Gingerbread really
And from samsung too
Be serious
Did you know it took nearly twice the amount of time for samsung to release official gingerbread on our phones than it took google to make it
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gtuansdiamm said:
Gingerbread really
And from samsung too
Be serious
Did you know it took nearly twice the amount of time for samsung to release official Froyo on our phones than it took google to make it
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My OCD wouldn't let me go without fixing it.

In all fairness, we are not the only smartphone left out in the rain.
From a markting perspective, it sells new phones. This isn't iOS with one device to focus on selling.
If all android phones had the same OS and received updates at the same time, then you would see ads selling us hardware. Most ads point out the operating system as a selling point and this is because there's too much compitition between android devices as well as those of the same manufacturer (think samsung).
It's not fair but then again how are you to convince manufacturers to stop? Google is trying by their recent policy changes, but I don't think we will see a solid standard in android OS for another few years.
The complication is furthered by production of low cost, entry level android devices that don't play well or contain the hardware to push something like GB. You need this demographic since pay as you go appears to be a growing trend.
I am hopeful for a GB release but I know that if we want something bad enough, XDA will likely to figure it out.
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Hummm..
I have builds of GB for both my Epic and EVO.
Not sure where all the fuss over no GB comes from, must be iPhone fans who get Android phones instead, wanting to remain stock for some reason

ICS + SGSIIET4G = WANTt!!

After watching the presentation on ICS, I want ICS on this phone, more so in hopes that it will fix the issues we are having with "Android OS" which are causing extremely high CPU usage stats. The problem is, there is going to be a layer of TouchWiz on top of ICS, so here is to hoping our awesome developers can give us an awesome ROM(s), and we can get CM soon!
Plus the new voice input seems really good (only reason it messed up in the presentation in the beginning was because he started talking too early).
Not really interested in the Nexus Prime (Galaxy Nexus), but looking forward to how well our cameras operate with that new interface. I believe once we get ICS on our phones, ours will be a much better phone than the Nexus (other the instant updates on Nexus, of course).

AOSP would be nice. I wonder if ICS has rotational transition animation. Even though it seems like a useless feature when it comes to functionality. I want it!

cdszoke said:
AOSP would be nice. I wonder if ICS has rotational transition animation. Even though it seems like a useless feature when it comes to functionality. I want it!
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Yeah, I don't think that manufacturers need to put a GUI over it anymore. I hope it comes totally stock android. That would also speed up the time it takes them to update the phone.

speedy0339 said:
Yeah, I don't think that manufacturers need to put a GUI over it anymore. I hope it comes totally stock android. That would also speed up the time it takes them to update the phone.
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I know we have many different hardware configurations out there in the Android world and some people argue that's this fragmentation is the main reason we wait so long for updates. I believe the major reason is the many different skins or gui these manufacturers either plague or bless us with is causing our update woes.

speedy0339 said:
Yeah, I don't think that manufacturers need to put a GUI over it anymore. I hope it comes totally stock android. That would also speed up the time it takes them to update the phone.
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Or...give us the option of switching from TW to AOSP in the settings...would be nice...

If Google and Samsung announced all this at the original date iphone sales would have went down. ICS sure looks great.

One4mNoWhere said:
If Google and Samsung announced all this at the original date iphone sales would have went down. ICS sure looks great.
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And imagine if they had someone like Steve Jobs present for them. People might actually realize how good Android is. We get it but the average user doesn't and they need to be told this is the best thing around because we are telling you so.

[Q] Why A Nexus? Advantages of an OPEN DEVICE??

Hi guys, I have been on this forums for quite a while even though I don't own a Nexus myself. I have been browsing through the development section every day and looking at all the ROMs etc..
I know that everything is open on the Nexus, all the sources, drivers, etc. I know that the advantages of having a Nexus is stock experience, with faster updates directly from Google. But what is the advantage of having an open phone as a user? I don't find much difference between the ROMs for Galaxy S II and the ROMs for the Galaxy Nexus. In fact the Siyah kernel, i think, has many many more features than the most popular kernel on this forums, the Franco kernel.
I am not trying to spark up anything over here. I just want to know what is the benefit of having such an open phone?

Difference between being in a wheelchair in a jail cell, even a jail cell with a window and open field sunny day with your legs running however fast you can. Its like that.
let it be.

@rbiter said:
Difference between being in a wheelchair in a jail cell, even a jail cell with a window and open field sunny day with your legs running however fast you can. Its like that.
let it be.
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I would think that, but I can't see that translating to development. I mean, I must be blind to not be able to see the differences, but I really can't. I don't see any major improvements in the ROMs on the Galaxy Nexus

darkgoon3r96 said:
I know that the advantages of having a Nexus is stock experience, with faster updates directly from Google.
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You answered your own question.

I already had 2 not Nexus Samsung phones and I will never make this mistake again. The lack of updates, the crappy skin that tries to look as the iPhone, etc.
In my experience, the builds from Google are much more stable, fast and reliable. And nothing in TouchWiz add anything that matters to me. To me Android is Nexus, I dont think I will build anything that is not Nexus again (but I really hope that HTC build the next one, I love the build quality of their phones).

martonikaj said:
You answered your own question.
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Haha, that wasn't my question. I am not asking why the Nexus is a better device. I am asking how does opening up the sources and drivers improve on the development...

darkgoon3r96 said:
I would think that, but I can't see that translating to development. I mean, I must be blind to not be able to see the differences, but I really can't. I don't see any major improvements in the ROMs on the Galaxy Nexus
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Sorry man, but in my opinion the stock ICS on the GNexus is miles ahead of any build from the SII.

martonikaj said:
You answered your own question.
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The difference is some stuff on aosp
Roms still don't work on galaxy s2 but everything works on aosp roms on nexus because it's open and drivers and everything is available...
bottom line aokp cm9 etc will give u a better user experience on nexus fewer bugs
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darkgoon3r96 said:
Haha, that wasn't my question. I am not asking why the Nexus is a better device. I am asking how does opening up the sources and drivers improve on the development...
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Because your Galaxy Nexus comes with stock ICS out of the box. Sorry, but a custom ROM will never be as smooth and nice as the native out of the box OS.

juliano_q said:
Sorry man, but in my opinion the stock ICS on the GNexus is miles ahead of any build from the SII.
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I still don't get why you guys think the Stock is so much better than AOKP? I mean, isn't that very similar to stock?

OK, let me see if I can answer it. I'm not a developer, so take it with a grain of salt.
The phone I had before this was the Samsung Captivate. I bought it August 2010. At the time, it was one of the more advanced phones on the market. However, within about an hour of using it, I realized that the AT&T bloatware was a problem. Though the device had a lot of memory available, the app drawer was harder to navigate because of 15 different AT&T apps on the phone, most of which charged a monthly fee to do what Google's equivalent apps did for free. So, I had to root it.
Things were fine for a couple weeks, but then I noticed that there were several apps that I couldn't download because everyone was on Froyo and I was stuck on Eclair. There was no word when either samsung or AT&T was going to provide me with an update, so I had to take matters into my own hands and get a ROM from someone else. I'm not saying the devs didn't do a good job, but they were hamstrung by both AT&T and Sammy who were not giving them the tools they needed to do the job right the first time.
I should also point out that a lot of these problems were caused by AT&T's insistence that they have their own version of the Galaxy S that was different from everyone else's. Thankfully, all the carriers learned from that mistake.
Over the course of a year and 8 months, I tried at least a dozen different ROMs on my phone to either try to keep up with the changes in the market, or just to keep it from freezing. Even stock Gingerbread had problems, likely because it was rushed out. I finally found a stable build in a ROM that used ICS (ironically, ported from the GNex). So that meant, if not for the great work of Team ICSSGS, my Captivate would NEVER have been a stable phone. All those commercials about being a smartphone beta tester seemed to be designed with the Captivate in mind.
The point of all this: When it came time for me to get a new phone, I was considering waiting for the GSIII, but then Google offered the GNex off contract for $400, a not unreasonable price for the hardware at all, but what I was really paying for was getting off the treadmill. Now granted, at this point I've only had the phone for about a week, but it performs every function I need it to, and AT&T has no say in it. Samsung only had a say in the hardware. And that's how it should be, and honestly why I think Apple had such a marketing edge for such a long time. Apple told AT&T exactly where they can shove their customizations, and now we have Google doing the same, but not publicizing it enough.
TL;DR: Google experience and faster updates. But those are more valuable than you think.

darkgoon3r96 said:
I still don't get why you guys think the Stock is so much better than AOKP? I mean, isn't that very similar to stock?
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You just answered yourself... great roms/builds like aokp would not be possible without the Android Open Source Project. Even after saying that the quality on aosp devices running aokp like the gnex and ns are miles ahead of say the sensation or something along those lines due to the very face the the nexus phones have open source readily available.
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The open let's you literally change ans re-code any part of the device you want. A touch wiz phone cannot do this cause the code is closed.
Custom roms on other devices are not the same though you may think they are. Most of the time something doesn't work cause it relies on a closed touch wiz framework function that has to be reverse engineered or hacked, or usually never works at all..
You need the kernel source code to really make any legit custom rom, and often have to wait months foe it to be released.
With an open device, you literally can implement anything your imagination can cone up with. No bugs or work a rounds.

In my opinion, there are two major differences:
1. On a Nexus device, you are guaranteed a large developer community. The SGSII may have a large developer community, but that's because it's pretty much of the most popular phones. If you buy something like the Samsung Galaxy Infuse (which several of my friends have) then you won't have nearly as big a developer community as the one for the Galaxy Nexus.
2. It's much much easier to root/customize/flash a Nexus device than any other device. All you need is "fastboot oem unlock" and the phone opens up for you. No need for bootloader downgrading/rooting exploits/HTCDev/manufacturer restrictions. This phone is designed to be a developer device. Also, when you screw up a Nexus, it is much easier to solve problems. Phone not booting? Use CWM. Recovery borked? Fastboot. Fastboot not working? ODIN flash. Lots of fail-safes.

Thanks a lot guys for taking the time just to help me out

I got my gnex last wednesday. No regrets at all, it's an amazing phone. My next phone will definitely be another nexus.

Advantage of having a Nexus?
It is like Burger King, you can have it your own way.

A quick word about JB hate.

We've seen lots of complaining in the last couple of days about what is and isn't working in these ports.
It seems GPS may or may not be working correctly, that it may or may not be due to the Leap Second.
WiFi, Bluetooth, volume... if you have these issues, they can mostly be remedied. If not, gratz.
The fact is, these Roms are ports of development previews on a phone slightly but importantly different than yours running an OS that hasn't been released yet.
I was deeply amazed and impressed that some developers had working ports to CDMA the very night it was announced for GSM.
I'd you are running one of these JB ports and you find that it works well enough as a daily driver, consider yourself fortunate and hit the thanks button on the OP, maybe even donate.
If you are trying it out, but find that it lacks the stability or functionality that you require, click the thanks button on the OP anyway because they spent the time to give you something now for free that which you would otherwise have to wait weeks for, or, considering VZW's track record, maybe never.
This is how I'm looking at it- I'm getting to preview the latest update for free before it officially comes available. Just like those lucky bastards at Google I/O, except how much did they pay per ticket?
Thanks, devs, for doing what you do.
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Jubomime said:
This is how I'm looking at it- I'm getting to preview the latest update for free before it officially comes available. Just like those lucky bastards at Google I/O, except how much did they pay per ticket?
Thanks, devs, for doing what you do.
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They paid $900 per ticket. But they get $1200 or so free of stuff. So they actually received 300 for going to it if you look at it that way.
Nevertheless I'm very pleased with JB. Everything is working beautiful for me. I using daily driver now without any issues. Just the stock JB at that. I'm not much for all the features of Roms. More into kernel tweaks which I do miss from glados kernel. But Franco is doing fine for now.

M3drvr said:
They paid $900 per ticket. But they get $1200 or so free of stuff. So they actually received 300 for going to it if you look at it that way.
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Thats why I put going to Google IO one year at least on my bucket list.

i think people are forgetting these roms are from nandroids! lol!

I most definitely appreciate the efforts. I ran the Vicious JB stock port on my VZW Gnex but in the end, I couldn't stick with it because the Verizon framework apps don't work on Jelly Bean yet. This means I couldn't use the My Verizon or NFL Mobile apps, and that's a deal breaker. I understand that you can blame Verizon for requiring the back end framework in order for their branded apps to work, and that's all fine and well, but at the end of the day, I couldn't run them.
Be that as it is, I still appreciate the efforts of those developers to have a working CDMA port the same night. Thanks to all who do what you do. I'm a software developer myself so I know how tedious this crap can be.

Half of the JB "hate" posts are not "my app doesn't work, JB sucks!" but rather "my app doesn't work, I'm posting it in case someone has stumbled upon a fix"

The problem is 80% of the people who own a GN are:
a. Bronies (so they're inherently tools),
b. it's their first Android device (so they're inherently tools).

CMNein said:
The problem is 80% of the people who own a GN are:
a. Bronies (so they're inherently tools),
b. it's their first Android device (so they're inherently tools).
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Thanks for such an insightful comment. Any more bright ideas?
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chancy319 said:
Thanks for such an insightful comment. Any more bright ideas?
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No, it succinctly indicates the issue at hand.
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oldblue910 said:
I most definitely appreciate the efforts. I ran the Vicious JB stock port on my VZW Gnex but in the end, I couldn't stick with it because the Verizon framework apps don't work on Jelly Bean yet. This means I couldn't use the My Verizon or NFL Mobile apps, and that's a deal breaker. I understand that you can blame Verizon for requiring the back end framework in order for their branded apps to work, and that's all fine and well, but at the end of the day, I couldn't run them.
Be that as it is, I still appreciate the efforts of those developers to have a working CDMA port the same night. Thanks to all who do what you do. I'm a software developer myself so I know how tedious this crap can be.
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I used My Verizon on JB. You just need to install the VerizonSSO apk in order for it to work...I can upload the file if you need it.

well you know what the say "everything's amazing these days, nobody's happy"

[email protected] said:
I used My Verizon on JB. You just need to install the VerizonSSO apk in order for it to work...I can upload the file if you need it.
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Would you mind? I can find download locations out there but I'm not sure what version's needed.

CMNein said:
The problem is 80% of the people who own a GN are:
a. Bronies (so they're inherently tools),
b. it's their first Android device (so they're inherently tools).
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I hate you for making me google bronies.

jesusice said:
I hate you for making me google bronies.
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Bring on the hate :cyclops:

These aren't "ports" of Jelly Bean roms. They are the real deal made specifically for this chipset and device. And, everything works.

I had to look up bronies as well.... I am sending along my hate alone with jesusice

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These aren't "ports" of Jelly Bean roms. They are the real deal made specifically for this chipset and device. And, everything works.
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That sort of depends. There are some changes that have to be made to a ROM for the GSM model to be 'ported' to the CDMA models. So, it's a 'port' for those phones, because only the GSM developer preview was 'released'.

They do realize other top phones are just getting ice cream sandwich, and we Nexii already have Jelly Beans sweet taste in our mouths?? Ridiculous!
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One of those lucky ones everything is working just fine, still couldn't see any issues, and I flashed my phone on the 28/06

Funny how ICS was the major update but jb is more of a complete experience.
butter and jelly please...

How a Sprint Phone is born

I read this article from Phone Scoop and all I can think is... Note 2- nah. Fu-q I-Phone5- and maybe no to even the S4.
I will hold out till mid 2013 when things get really interesting. I really enjoyed this article and thought I would share. I love the timeline pic- BTW
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10935&p=5166

jpkelly05 said:
I read this article from Phone Scoop and all I can think is... Note 2- nah. Fu-q I-Phone5- and maybe no to even the S4.
I will hold out till mid 2013 when things get really interesting. I really enjoyed this article and thought I would share. I love the timeline pic- BTW
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10935&p=5166
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Very informative. Kudos for posting it here. Ty
One thing for sure.. Jelly bean OTA is atleast 3-5 months away

Thank you for the Kudo's!
What I noticed was the Key Lime Pie on that timeline. If Sprint has that on there official timeline- does that mean that may be the official name? I was hoping for "King Cake" as I don't really like Key Lime Pie -LOL. Just would have gone with Ice Cream Sandwich much much better.
Also what I noticed was the availability of 800 MHz LTE around mid 2013 (What is 2500 MHz LTE? It will also be available). Also the flexible OLED screen means what exactly. Maybe we will have flexible phones?

Nice article but Sprint is a bunch of liars. If that article was based on truth then there would not be so many issues with new phones on release. My old Samsung Moment is a premium example of this. That phone barely worked for the first 6 months it was out.

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Nice article but Sprint is a bunch of liars. If that article was based on truth then there would not be so many issues with new phones on release. My old Samsung Moment is a premium example of this. That phone barely worked for the first 6 months it was out.
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It didn't work for you doesn't mean it didn't work for others.
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someguyatx said:
Nice article but Sprint is a bunch of liars. If that article was based on truth then there would not be so many issues with new phones on release. My old Samsung Moment is a premium example of this. That phone barely worked for the first 6 months it was out.
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So that has to be Sprint's fault alone!?
Well forget that Samsung is involved in your venture. (Maybe even Google a little bit) If i have read right it is only recently that Samsung has become aware that to make customers happy, it has to keep up there side of support to ensure phones work properly- and I am mostly talking about when a phone needs to be upgraded, but it seems the article points out that most phones are released with problems -Furthermore- "fixes" are released post-deployment. If Samsung didn't care at the time the Moment was deployed, would they also be to blame or maybe both Samsung and Sprint? Maybe there has been a learning curve for all with Android?
In either case- bummer that you went through it. And I totally mean that. I hope you didn't pay much out of pocket for a lemon.
I keep reading articles about phones going to other providers, and if my girlfriends parents didn't live in a Sprint only area, or my job didn't need me to have a phone 24/7- I would jump ship. But for now, I have to be optimistic as I am stuck. If you or any others aren't stuck, move on or deal with it, and/or vent a little.
Me- i deal with what I got optimistically and well -"content" actually. We are so lucky to have these phones! They may have limitations, but if you look back just 4-5 years ago, look what the majority had for phones. I would have been happy just to read email on my phone. The fact that I can do just as much on my laptop as on my phone and sometimes faster on my phone- pure bliss. I do realize more and more that not everyone will always be happy, sorry if the article made you upset.

Yeah it was Samsungs fault too. For those not familiar the Moment was a very early android phone on Sprint with various software bugs early including 911 not working and a horrible gps. Thanks to the dev community the phone became workable. I just have a hard time believing that if the process really went like they claim phones would get released with so many issues and even now there are well known bugs in the current releases that just are not fixed. The reality is that these phones get rushed to market, carriers all want custom versions which creates development issues for manufacturers, and consumers have a choice between crap or junk.
I'm just fortunate this great dev community exists. Without you guys and all of your hard work I could never tolerate an Android phone. Without being rooted and running a custom rom it would be unbearable.

jpkelly05 said:
Thank you for the Kudo's!
What I noticed was the Key Lime Pie on that timeline. If Sprint has that on there official timeline- does that mean that may be the official name? I was hoping for "King Cake" as I don't really like Key Lime Pie -LOL. Just would have gone with Ice Cream Sandwich much much better.
Also what I noticed was the availability of 800 MHz LTE around mid 2013 (What is 2500 MHz LTE? It will also be available). Also the flexible OLED screen means what exactly. Maybe we will have flexible phones?
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2500MHz is the frequency of Clearwire's TDD LTE. Which Sprint will be using along with their own 800 and 1900MHz frequencies.
Nice read by the way. Thanks for posting.
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