Hi all
Is there a definite answer to how you should charge your battery? Is it better to charge it before it gets to 40% like I have read or does it not really matter?
Also does charging it overnight do any damage?
Thanks all
Chris
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The problem with battery care is that it has been tainted with old information that no longer applies to modern batteries.
The charging and discharging of the battery is tightly controlled by an IC to maximise life regardless of how you use it. All you need to be concerned with is making sure it doesn't sit fully discharged or fully charged for long periods (this is why when you first unbox a device it has about half charge)
Doesn't matter... just charge it when u think it s need to be charged...
High temperature is bad. Full charge is bad (charging 0.1V less than full generally doubles battery life). High temperature + full charge is really bad (negative synergies).
Overdischarge is bad as well, but if you stay above 3.3V or so, there should be no negative effect.
I have hacked my kernel to lower the charge voltage setting from 4.3V to a configurable value between 4V and 4.3V. I will release a kernel patch, once I have done some more testing.
BTW, a lower charge current is better for the battery as well. So if you have time, you can use a standard USB port (only provides 2.5W instead of 6W with the included charger) or add a USB extension cable/use a longer/thinner wire gauge micro USB cable (this will limit the power drawn from the included charger).
Put it this way:
You will have moved on from this device long before you would notice any battery problems caused by "bump charging", charging overnight, or any other normal charging behavior.
Check the Battery University for details about charging Lithium-ion polymer.
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High temperature is bad. Full charge is bad (charging 0.1V less than full generally doubles battery life). High temperature + full charge is really bad (negative synergies).
Overdischarge is bad as well, but if you stay above 3.3V or so, there should be no negative effect.
I have hacked my kernel to lower the charge voltage setting from 4.3V to a configurable value between 4V and 4.3V. I will release a kernel patch, once I have done some more testing.
BTW, a lower charge current is better for the battery as well. So if you have time, you can use a standard USB port (only provides 2.5W instead of 6W with the included charger) or add a USB extension cable/use a longer/thinner wire gauge micro USB cable (this will limit the power drawn from the included charger).
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Gulp none of that made sense
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Then you need not worry about it. As I said, the battery is controlled by a fairly sophisticated IC, just charge it whenever you need to.
these batteries love refridgerators. you charge it when it comes to about 20-25%. I'm not compelling anyone, it's just that I've had this type of cycle since three years on my faithful ol' HTC Desire. Now its all burned, but I did have something to compare it with. My czn also got an htc desire a couple of days after i got it, and he is charge-freak. He charges his phone in his home, car, uni, bank, everywhere he can get his hands on a socket. The result: he's run down 4 batteries, and is on the brink of a 5th one. while I had only one throughout my three-year life cycle of my Desire.
So, try not to overheat your battery. Don't use it when charging. Charge it before you sleep at night, and let it rest for overnight. This overnight rest boosts battery life, and your charge will last almost 2 days. this is my personal experience speaking, and with the multitude of custom OC UV kernels out there, you might wanna go Chuck Norris with your battery.
Generally the most common way people damage the batteries is just by heat. Other charging ideals aren't really all that important in the grand scheme of things. The phone and chargers are smart enough to handle the other aspects.
Heat's a problem because the act of charging actually creates heat. So while you think it may not be too hot when it's charging in the mid-day sun in your car, it will be when it warms up from charging. It'll get so hot, in fact, that it may even refuse to charge, although you see this happen more on phones than tablets.
Also, don't leave your tablet dead for a month. That's bad. I don't think anyone does this, though, because what's the point of having a tablet if you leave it dead for a month?
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This is going to sound ridiculous, but I have to say it anyway.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 (SGH-i777), and I have two charging cables. A U9, and a U2.
When I charge the phone overnight with the U9 cable, I get a 100% rating on the charge, but the battery dies VERY fast. I unplug the phone at 7am, and it's down to 70% by 10am with very little use.
When I charge the phone overnight with the U2 cable, I get a 100% rating on the charge as well, but then the battery dies very slowly, the way I prefer it. I can use the phone moderately all day, and still have a good 30-40% when I get home after 5pm.
Clearly, I use the U2 cable, as this achieves my goal. My question is, why does it work this way? Is there something wrong with the U9 cable? Does it charge the battery differently than the U2?
Check what kind of charging the phone recognize "USB" or "AC". If it is USB the charging is slower (450mA) when AC is faster (650mA).
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Check what kind of charging the phone recognize "USB" or "AC". If it is USB the charging is slower (450mA) when AC is faster (650mA).
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. Is there a place in the menu of the phone to check for this?
I used to use the wall-outlet adapter with the U9 cable. Now I am using the same wall-outlet adapter with the U2 cable.
It`s hidden in Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Status (AC/USB)
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. Is there a place in the menu of the phone to check for this?
I used to use the wall-outlet adapter with the U9 cable. Now I am using the same wall-outlet adapter with the U2 cable.
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When you connect the usb cable the phone says that is connected like a media device and a usb symbol appear in status bar and notification area, it means that are charging at 450 mAh (like usb connected to PC), but if only see a charging battery indicator then is charging at 650 mAh (like Power AC Adapter).
But I really dont know if the charge duration is affected, maybe is overcharging your battery. Try this, charge until 100% with both, but disconnect it when the phone says that charge is complete and try. Maybe with the time the battery is overcharged and has more battery with one of the cables.
At a molecular level, the slower charging is more thorough and actually deposits more charge (energy) into the battery, which is why a slow charge rate results in a better performing cell or battery. Remember, batteries (or cells; a battery is just a collection of cells) change energy from chemical to electrical when providing power, and accept energy when being charged by converting electrical energy to chemical energy. That chemical change doesn't happen instantaneously, and is why a slow charge can actually raise a cell or battery's energy level higher.
Generally, the charger measures the charge state of the battery by the voltage of the cell or battery, and charging slowly allows the charge to more thoroughly dissipate through the cell. Rapidly charging, on the other hand, builds potential (voltage) quickly, but the quick charging doesn't allow the chemical change to occur thoroughly throughout the cells, and misleadingly indicates a higher voltage (charge state) than has actually occurred.
Think of the game of Tetris: When the blocks (incoming electrons) are falling slowly, it's easy to pack them tightly and fit more into the play area (battery). When they're coming in quickly, eventually you become unable to fit them all tightly without leaving voids, and the height of the stack (perceived charge level, or voltage) reaches the threshold without being fully packed (charged).
I hope this helps, four years after the question --Mike Jernigan, Greensboro
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At a molecular level, the slower charging is more thorough and actually deposits more charge (energy) into the battery, which is why a slow charge rate results in a better performing cell or battery. Remember, batteries (or cells; a battery is just a collection of cells) change energy from chemical to electrical when providing power, and accept energy when being charged by converting electrical energy to chemical energy. That chemical change doesn't happen instantaneously, and is why a slow charge can actually raise a cell or battery's energy level higher.
Generally, the charger measures the charge state of the battery by the voltage of the cell or battery, and charging slowly allows the charge to more thoroughly dissipate through the cell. Rapidly charging, on the other hand, builds potential (voltage) quickly, but the quick charging doesn't allow the chemical change to occur thoroughly throughout the cells, and misleadingly indicates a higher voltage (charge state) than has actually occurred.
Think of the game of Tetris: When the blocks (incoming electrons) are falling slowly, it's easy to pack them tightly and fit more into the play area (battery). When they're coming in quickly, eventually you become unable to fit them all tightly without leaving voids, and the height of the stack (perceived charge level, or voltage) reaches the threshold without being fully packed (charged).
I hope this helps, four years after the question --Mike Jernigan, Greensboro
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4 year? You waited 4 year ???
Hey guys,
I've used my HP touchpad charger a couple times now and it seems to drastically speed up charging. I thought I'd see if anyone else had experienced this as well.
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I would not recommend using tablet chargers like that. Although it does speed up charging I think you might also wear out your battery quicker.
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I would not recommend using tablet chargers like that. Although it does speed up charging I think you might also wear out your battery quicker.
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That's not right. The charging speed is limited by the battery and their charging managemend, not by the charger. If the battery management is configured at 1A it is charging with 1A even if you use a 2A charger.
If you can charge the HTC One with a bigger charger faster than it is not negative for the battery because it's allowed by the battery management. But I don't think, that it is really faster. I will test it for myself later with the 2A Charger from the ipad.
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I would not recommend using tablet chargers like that. Although it does speed up charging I think you might also wear out your battery quicker.
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I do know where this is coming from but just isn't the case anymore. All batteries made for cells phones in the last 2 years have smart charging chips in them. Meaning they can not overcharge, charge too fast, or discharge too much. These batteries have tech built in that could charge them in about a hour. People think this was disabled to help prolong the life of the battery. This is also false. Fast charging does have a slightly negative effect but we are talking about 2% negative. So if the battery would have went through 2000 charge cycles normally than with a fast charge it would only last around 1180 charge cycles. It's a non difference. It is the reason people have been saying that the fast charge feature is disabled but they have no idea and it sounds good so the community here has decided it to be true.
Now technically it should not matter what amp charger we plug in as the phone should only take a certain amount. Now I know this is false as I also use the 2amp Touchpad charger and can confirm it does charge around 30% faster.
Can someone explain why the power capability of the charger makes any difference?
Rules of electronics. V = IR or in this case I = V/R Current = Voltage / Resistance
By definition if too much current is drawn from the power supply the voltage will collapse. Similarly, at any given voltage and input resistance, the current will never exceed a certain level.
So the worst that can happen is you damage a power supply trying to charge a greedy iPad with an under spec'd power supply.
But I see certain devices that say, never use a 2A charger as it can damage the device? Why? By definition it will never draw more current than the circuit is designed for.....what am I missing?
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Can someone explain why the power capability of the charger makes any difference?
Rules of electronics. V = IR or in this case I = V/R Current = Voltage / Resistance
By definition if too much current is drawn from the power supply the voltage will collapse. Similarly, at any given voltage and input resistance, the current will never exceed a certain level.
So the worst that can happen is you damage a power supply trying to charge a greedy iPad with an under spec'd power supply.
But I see certain devices that say, never use a 2A charger as it can damage the device? Why? By definition it will never draw more current than the circuit is designed for.....what am I missing?
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Nothing at all :cyclops:
Now if you use a .5 amp you do run the risk of burning it out as the device will try and pull more than .5amp and will succeed putting too much strain on the charger.
AFAIK the charging voltage/amperage is dynamically controlled by software(kernel). Starting from empty the voltage will be higher, but decreasing when battery is getting fuller.
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AFAIK the charging voltage/amperage is dynamically controlled by software(kernel). Starting from empty the voltage will be higher, but decreasing when battery is getting fuller.
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The voltage of the power supply should be a controlled 5V (I know some poor supplies are not so perfect). The only way of changing the current being drawn is to change the resistance , but that would be a constant as determined by the battery itself (its current draw will change depending on how full it is at the time). If there was actually a charge controller circuit in the phone itself, then it should not matter whether you have 2A, 5A or 50A, because it should only ever draw the power it needs. Also if there was effectively a "short circuit" and you tried to draw 2A from a 1A power supply, the power supply voltage would collapse and charging would simply stop. Therefore the charging circuit will have been designed with an expected current flow. As voltage is 5V and the input resistance always remains constant, the charging current can never be more or less than what was intended by design! Of course if the power supply outputs 10V instead of 5V, then it WILL draw more current and do lots of damage!
Think of it this way. If you run at 5 mph, it doesn't matter whether you are 3 feet tall or 6 feet tall, you will still arrive at the destination at exactly the same time.
There are different cables that can be purchased that essentially have just the positive and negative connections in use. This removes the control connections that allow the phone to regulate the amount of power so it allows the device to charge at a faster rate.
I have used these cables for years on many devices and have never had a problem but it is worth noting that I only use them sparingly and the vast majority of the time I use the standard chargers that come with the devices.
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Stop with the FUD people, the only thing that matters is the voltage of the charger. It needs to be 5V or else it will damage the phone. Otherwise, the phone will self limit the amount of charge taken in.
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Using a higher current charger will degrade the life of the battery faster than normal. It will also be hotter when chraging, thus further degrading the life of the battery.
Bear in mind USB2.0 can only provide 500mA and makes charging slower.
Using a 2A charger ON OCCASION will be fine, but long term use will degrade your battery, it's that simple.
fast charging batteries is not as good as slow charging for the batteries. It's not terrible, but it is worse for their health.
the smart chips in the phones are allowing to be faster charged = faster charge times. HTC probably allowed this because they knew it would pacify complaints about their slow charge.
The htc engineers saw it fit to include the charger they did, they know its charges slow, it's for a reason.
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Fast charging does have a slightly negative effect but we are talking about 2% negative. So if the battery would have went through 2000 charge cycles normally than with a fast charge it would only last around 1180 charge cycles. It's a non difference. It is the reason people have been saying that the fast charge feature is disabled but they have no idea and it sounds good so the community here has decided it to be true.
Now technically it should not matter what amp charger we plug in as the phone should only take a certain amount. Now I know this is false as I also use the 2amp Touchpad charger and can confirm it does charge around 30% faster.
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Your numbers are a little off i'm afraid. If its only a 2% issue from 2000 charges.. you show 1180 to be then new charge..thats almost 50%. 50% would be 1000 charges.. 2% from 2000 would be 1960 Better number for your point
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Using a higher current charger will degrade the life of the battery faster than normal. It will also be hotter when chraging, thus further degrading the life of the battery.
Bear in mind USB2.0 can only provide 500mA and makes charging slower.
Using a 2A charger ON OCCASION will be fine, but long term use will degrade your battery, it's that simple.
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Yeah it will degrade it quicker, but not significantly. I agree with the previous posts. Its fine to use a charger with higher amps than needed but its not good to use lower amps. (lower than 500ma) Lower amps will kill chargers quick. If usb is 500ma then these phones must be fine with variable amps (within its limits) I dont know what the variable numbers are but say its 500ma min, 2A max.. using a 3A charger or a 5A charger shouldnt make a difference in charge speed. It'll only draw 2A. (again hypothetical 2A here, 1.5 may be the max.) That being said... i wouldnt use a 2A as your primary or overnight charger though(unless you only sleep 3 hours ), no need for it..Since these phones dont have a replaceable battery your overnight charger should probably be 1A. Use a 2A during the day if you need a quick boost.
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Yeah it will degrade it quicker, but not significantly. I agree with the previous posts. Its fine to use a charger with higher amps than needed but its not good to use lower amps. (lower than 500ma) Lower amps will kill chargers quick. If usb is 500ma then these phones must be fine with variable amps (within its limits) I dont know what the variable numbers are but say its 500ma min, 2A max.. using a 3A charger or a 5A charger shouldnt make a difference in charge speed. It'll only draw 2A. (again hypothetical 2A here, 1.5 may be the max.) That being said... i wouldnt use a 2A as your primary or overnight charger though(unless you only sleep 3 hours ), no need for it..Since these phones dont have a replaceable battery your overnight charger should probably be 1A. Use a 2A during the day if you need a quick boost.
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I used a Samsung 0.7A OEM charger for a while for my previous phones and always thought that the power is capped by the output of the adapter. If it's rated 0.7A the adapter can output up to what it was rated for; That is wrong on that assumption. Using Current Widget app also appear to support this as well as it was drawing on my S3, 0.999 mA when this adapter as in. I have switched to the 1A adapter because of that; the read outs using the app still shows up as 0.999 mA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40630411#post40630411
If using a higher one is no good like 2A, I guess we would be able to see what Current Widget saids as well. Supposedly the phone pulls what it needs to my understanding.
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Using a higher current charger will degrade the life of the battery faster than normal. It will also be hotter when chraging, thus further degrading the life of the battery.
Bear in mind USB2.0 can only provide 500mA and makes charging slower.
Using a 2A charger ON OCCASION will be fine, but long term use will degrade your battery, it's that simple.
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I'd love to hear where your "simple" comment comes from? Facts, please. I will withhold my view until you can state sources... (Hint: heat will be the only factor in a properly designed system)
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I'd love to hear where your "simple" comment comes from? Facts, please. I will withhold my view until you can state sources... (Hint: heat will be the only factor in a properly designed system)
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here's a source. HTC engineers decided to include the charger they did.
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here's a source. HTC engineers decided to include the charger they did.
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Wow, aren't you a helpful one. There is much more to the H/W selection than what the charging circuit is capable of... Chargers don't "force" a current on the battery. The charging circuit draws what it needs from a charger, assuming it can supply what is drawn. A well designed charging circuit will draw no more than what the battery is capable of without damage. The only factor is heat, which should be accounted for at a nominal level. If heat was't properly accounted for, or they short changed the charging circuit (like the charger) there could be an issue long term.
As an application side note, I had a 2 or 2.1A charger on my Atrix 4G for the 2+ years I owned it and still on the original battery that will last me an 18hr day. You don't do anyone favors talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
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Wow, aren't you a helpful one. There is much more to the H/W selection than what the charging circuit is capable of... Chargers don't "force" a current on the battery. The charging circuit draws what it needs from a charger, assuming it can supply what is drawn. A well designed charging circuit will draw no more than what the battery is capable of without damage. The only factor is heat, which should be accounted for at a nominal level. If heat was't properly accounted for, or they short changed the charging circuit (like the charger) there could be an issue long term.
As an application side note, I had a 2 or 2.1A charger on my Atrix 4G for the 2+ years I owned it and still on the original battery that will last me an 18hr day. You don't do anyone favors talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
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It's already documented that other chargers charge the phone faster. HTC included a slow charger for a reason. You don't know more about battery technology then they do. Fast chargers are like $5 for us on amazon. htc can buy them for a $1. There reason is not cost. Why do you think HTC inclduded the charger they did.
There is no perfect battery with unlimited recharge cycles no matter how perfectly designed. Fast charging won't cause you device to explode, but it will accelerate the regular degradation process.
Htc knew people would complain about slow charging, so they allow other chargers to charge the battery faster on case by case, even if it means degradation (slight to moderate) of the battery over time.
You read more about fast charging vs slow charging in the battery geek forums.
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I'd love to hear where your "simple" comment comes from? Facts, please. I will withhold my view until you can state sources... (Hint: heat will be the only factor in a properly designed system)
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It comes from my own knowledge and experience. These are facts. If you choose not to believe them that's fine. And yes, I mentioned heat if you look back. And no, these are not properly designed systems.
The HTC One definitely takes a while to charge. What’s interesting however is that the charge curve gets the One to 85–90 percent under the normal 3 or so hours, it’s that last ten percent that takes forever. I also have confirmed that Qualcomm’s Quick Charge is not being used on the HTC One, for whatever reason, possibly to maximize compatibility with the portable USB battery chargers that are now proliferating. The PMIC is there, it just isn’t enabled. My guess would be that HTC wants to prioritize battery longevity and minimize any even potential extra wear since the battery on the One is sealed inside.
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source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/3
told ya =)
Hey guys. Within a minute or so after my phones removed from the charger it drops to 95%.is this normal?im using the 1.8a LG charger that comes with the phone F240L.i read somewhere that they are using the LG charger 1.2a out of the box.does this phone have two different out of the box charger..thanks..
Completly normal. The method that seems to be employed for the battery percentage is read the voltage itself and make a guess
This high voltage drops down quite quickly both as a "load" is applied to the battery,. Plus there is not a lot of change in capacity from the very high voltages to the more normal voltages, in any li-ion battery. So while the voltage can be used to guestimate a range of charge levels, between like 4.0 and 4.3 there isnt much changed in the battery itself.
Further from what i have seen so far (not totally sure) they are charging to 4.35v which is a rescent slight change in the chemistry of the li-ion to allow for higher charge levels without it gassing or reducing the life (Havent tested that theory long enough yet either).
Also All li-ion alogrythms for charging do a CC CV charge, where the final charge is just "holding" the voltage at the high, till the batterys charge state floats up to that level. This can (not facted out yet) mean that leaving it on the charge past the time it claims it is fully charged , it will put tiny bits more into it. This happens more with my big fat zerolemon battery because it seems to have more resistance to the other connected cell items than would be desired.
Anyways all is well, just dont believe anything a computer tells you , and it will be fine The other methods have thier own deficiencies.
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Li-Ion batteries really do not prefer to be left at their high charge voltages, as they degrade faster there. so when you read the above, or try "bump" charging methods (thats just restarting the charge) It is not good for it. The battery will be happier, using it like it was designed, taking it off the charge when it states it is full. all of this being more info than anyone needs to know, or freaking care about.
As a li-ion battery becomes old and weak, it will exhibit even more of these charateristics that have people wondering. It will drop off the highs quicker still, have less total capacity, and increse a tiny bit in resistance , which will cause it to drop even more under load. At some point the battery would be so bad at that, you would want to replace it.
Heat, the li-ion cells dont like these extreeme heats. they prefer to work more at normal room temps and cold but not extreeme cold. So take that in also as a factor in keeping your battery more happy, again if you want to waste half your life pampering the thing
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Hey guys. Within a minute or so after my phones removed from the charger it drops to 95%.is this normal?im using the 1.8a LG charger that comes with the phone F240L.i read somewhere that they are using the LG charger 1.2a out of the box.does this phone have two different out of the box charger..thanks..
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It's the calibration. Happens to me too sometime. Drops rather fast to 95%, then goes stable around 89%. Just leave it on charge for an extra 45 minutes or so, then let the battery die down to at-least 10% before charging again. Not exact science, it's just what I do.
I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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You made my night... Slower charger kills battery not fast charging.. fast charge save battery to be honest. And you dont have to be worry since the batteries now are LI-lon . Go get info in google about the batteries . All i can say you got infos wrong.
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Agree with previous post. But if it makes you feel better, just don't use a dash charger...
Very simple.
lummujaj said:
You made my night... Slower charger kills battery not fast charging.. fast charge save battery to be honest. And you dont have to be worry since the batteries now are LI-lon . Go get info in google about the batteries . All i can say you got infos wrong.
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OK. I didn't know.
I was speaking from my past experience with Samsung Galaxy Note 4. I bought couple of original Samsung batteries and rotate them throughout daily usage. I noticed a significant difference in battery life comparing the ones that I used fast charge on vs the ones I didn't. After that I stick to NOT using fast charge.
Of course, that's nothing scientific. And Samsung uses a different fast charge mechanism (higher voltage) than OnePlus (higher current), so there could be difference there too.
Because Dash Charge seems to be re-labeled Vooc charging from OPPO, I can tell you, that the last two years with charging minimum one times every day, there is no bad effect on the battery (still the first one).
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OK. I didn't know.
I was speaking from my past experience with Samsung Galaxy Note 4. I bought couple of original Samsung batteries and rotate them throughout daily usage. I noticed a significant difference in battery life comparing the ones that I used fast charge on vs the ones I didn't. After that I stick to NOT using fast charge.
Of course, that's nothing scientific. And Samsung uses a different fast charge mechanism (higher voltage) than OnePlus (higher current), so there could be difference there too.
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Samsung devices are notorious for killing batteries and its more likely hardware than it is the battery itself, u will be fine
I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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I use Samsung 1.5 Amp charger and keep my battery between 40% to 80%
I think these are best for long term usage.
repsol89 said:
I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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Well, it was my first thought, but everyone in this topic is telling me that OP works different than Samsung!
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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that's the problem of the charger or the phone itself. thecharger is designed not to charge when the battery is full. What I want to say is you experienced an accident and sorry for you.
The most serious threat to the battery is high temperature. OnePlus 3 reduce the charging heat by its dash charge. The dash charge pushes low voltage directly to the phone, which mitigates the heating problem by pushing high electric current and making the voltage transition process in dash charger. Most of other phones still use high voltage because they fail to create high current. recalling the physics in high school, the power is current multiplied by voltage and energy equals to power multiplied by time. than you would understand the powerful feature of dash charge
dlhxr said:
that's the problem of the charger or the phone itself. thecharger is designed not to charge when the battery is full. What I want to say is you experienced an accident and sorry for you.
The most serious threat to the battery is high temperature. OnePlus 3 reduce the charging heat by its dash charge. The dash charge pushes low voltage directly to the phone, which mitigates the heating problem by pushing high electric current and making the voltage transition process in dash charger. Most of other phones still use high voltage because they fail to create high current. recalling the physics in high school, the power is current multiplied by voltage and energy equals to power multiplied by time. than you would understand the powerful feature of dash charge
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The power is current multiplied by voltage so what's the difference between high current mutiplied by low voltage versus low current multiplied by high voltage ?
2V x A = V x 2A
lapocompris said:
The power is current multiplied by voltage so what's the difference between high current mutiplied by low voltage versus low current multiplied by high voltage ?
2V x A = V x 2A
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qc3.0 uses low current and high voltage. Dash uses high current and low voltage. As a result, they have similar power and both charge quickly. However, the heating problem is more serious for qc 3.0. The difference of the battery voltage and charger voltage is the leading factor that determines the transition efficiency. The bigger the difference is, the more heat charging process generates.
So~ you could look up for qc3.0. for mi 5, it has three adaptive mode: 5V2.5A、9V2A、12V1.5A. for dash, we have 5V4A
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I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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There is no problem with leaving your phone on the charger. I do this with every phone since years.
If people experience something bad with it, their phone or battery are broken. The current tech just keeps the battery at full capacity once it's full. Never had any problem.
So many "opinions" but mostly incorrect. The answer to the OPs question is that you don't have to worry about quick charge destroying your battery. It will not have significant impact on your battery capacity. I would have been more worried about breaking the usb type-c port(see point 2 below). All things considered, after 2-3 years you will probably buy a new phone anyway and also you can always buy a replacement battery cheap. But you can simply use a normal charger which delivers <3A with 5V so you don't have to worry about anything.
1- Slow charge does not damage lithium-ion chemistry batteries. You can read about lithium-ion charging here. But neither fast charge will damage lithium-ion as long as the battery temperature is not extremely high. Also temperature at different charge stages effect the capacity decrease (source) But you will be fine as long as the battery temperature is less than 45C. The charging IC should stop the charging process if it exceeds it anyway.
2- Qualcomm's quick charge is much better than voop/dash charge from an engineering standpoint. This is why also USB organization's power delivery (PD) standard uses similar scheme. The problem is the cable and the connector. The maximum allowed current at 5V is 3A with usb type-c connector (source). If you provide more current, you need to use a thicker cable(dash/vooc cables). But you can't change the connector, and it may damage your connector in the long run to use 3+A currents to charge. Because there is a contact resistance (R) and the power lost in the connector is square of current (I) times R. Meaning R*I^2, it will wear off the connector faster. This is why some companies with some engineering skills opt in to use higher voltages instead of higher currents.
3- You can't push more current to lithium-ion battery than it accepts. The maximum current is voltage delta (between charging voltage and battery voltage) divided by internal resistance. This is why you can charge empty battery much faster. If you use an app like Ampere from play store, you can see the voltage of your battery before and after you plug in your charger. If you plug in a normal charger, you will see that it goes up a little bit. If you plug a quick charger it goes up to ~4.35V
4- Yes, there is conversion inefficiencies for quick charge inside the phone, and it will warm up the "phone" and battery only indirectly. The conversion IC are normally >90% efficient (source). This does not mean that your battery will be destroyed. It is perfectly fine to charge lithium-batteries with up to 45C temperatures (source).
4- If overnight charging killed your battery, your battery was faulty (or you had 3rd party battery?). The battery should be capable of holding 4.35v charge. You would need to store battery at 4.35V full charge for over 3 months to loose 20% capacity (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries). Having full charge few hours overnight won't destroy it unless your battery or device is faulty.
With all this information, I would rather opt in for USB-PD/Qualcomm Quick Charge solutions than VOOC/DASH solutions. I think eventually only USB-PD will remain and everybody will use it as a standard only.
Hello guys,
To offert at my battery the best treatment I'm looking for a lower amperage wall charger for my Pixel 2XL.
Between 1 and 1.5 Amp it will be excellent. I read some interesting suties about battery life and how manage it and fast charge is part of that.
Thank you all anf have good evening.
I am sure it will charge on either one, but how fast who knows? If you are rooted and have Magisk, download the ACC module and you can control your charging that way instead.
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Hello guys,
To offert at my battery the best treatment I'm looking for a lower amperage wall charger for my Pixel 2XL.
Between 1 and 1.5 Amp it will be excellent. I read some interesting suties about battery life and how manage it and fast charge is part of that.
Thank you all anf have good evening.
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Older USB chargers are mostly slow 1A chargers, like the cube Apple chargers
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I am sure it will charge on either one, but how fast who knows? If you are rooted and have Magisk, download the ACC module and you can control your charging that way instead.
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I'm not rooted and I don't think I gonna it
Le_Combattant said:
Hello guys,
To offert at my battery the best treatment I'm looking for a lower amperage wall charger for my Pixel 2XL.
Between 1 and 1.5 Amp it will be excellent. I read some interesting suties about battery life and how manage it and fast charge is part of that.
Thank you all anf have good evening.
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I am an electrical engineer, and have some knowledge about how Li batteries function.
I have always wondered this, I always see people mentioning that slower charging is better for the longevity of Li-ion batteries. There is always a trade-off here. Slower charging also means the battery takes much longer to charge, and the battery stays hotter for longer period of time, which should affect it's lifetime. Fast charging also does the same thing, but the temperature is much hotter but is exposed for shorter period of time.
Now these is merely a speculation on my part, I don't have any theoretical or experimental evidence to back this up - I think regular 5V 2A charging is a balance between those two scenarios.
Also, I recall that the peak charging current is limited in P2XL, so using the stock charger shouldn't harm that much either.
Pixel 2XL is my first smartphone who do not Come hot when it charge so...
But I know that high temperature are not the best things for battery in general.
And about the level of charge ? Some people said they stop at 80% to manage battery
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I am an electrical engineer, and have some knowledge about how Li batteries function.
I have always wondered this, I always see people mentioning that slower charging is better for the longevity of Li-ion batteries. There is always a trade-off here. Slower charging also means the battery takes much longer to charge, and the battery stays hotter for longer period of time, which should affect it's lifetime. Fast charging also does the same thing, but the temperature is much hotter but is exposed for shorter period of time.
Now these is merely a speculation on my part, I don't have any theoretical or experimental evidence to back this up - I think regular 5V 2A charging is a balance between those two scenarios.
Also, I recall that the peak charging current is limited in P2XL, so using the stock charger shouldn't harm that much either.
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I use a 5 watts charger and the phone stay completely cold during the charge process.
Also there was a recent 2017 scientific paper that tested what degraded the battery. It's a really interesting read with many tested model.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...e-model-under-different-charging-stresses.pdf
Number 1 cause is high battery voltage at the end, second one is battery charging speed. Any speed faster than 1c will degrade the battery much faster.
This is why i charge at 5w plus stop charging at 80% (unless i know I'll need 100% that day, where i fully charge, but for my usage 80% is more than enough for the usual day).
von_block said:
I use a 5 watts charger and the phone stay completely cold during the charge process.
Also there was a recent 2017 scientific paper that tested what degraded the battery. It's a really interesting read with many tested model.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...e-model-under-different-charging-stresses.pdf
Number 1 cause is high battery voltage at the end, second one is battery charging speed. Any speed faster than 1c will degrade the battery much faster.
This is why i charge at 5w plus stop charging at 80% (unless i know I'll need 100% that day, where i fully charge, but for my usage 80% is more than enough for the usual day).
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I charge my phone every 48h and when it is full I unplug it from wall charger. And I charge it from 20-25% (some time I go lower because of my usage)
It's your famous amazon wall charger?
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I charge my phone every 48h and when it is full I unplug it from wall charger. And I charge it from 20-25% (some time I go lower because of my usage)
It's your famous amazon wall charger?
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I download AccuBattery and charge my phone from 25% to 80% max. The app detect directly the stock capacity of my battery (3520mAh) but after my charge, the new capacity estimated is 2982%. Is the first value is reliable or I have to do some other charges?
You have to wait for about 10 cycles. It says in the application something like that.