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G2 Front facing camera?

Ok so I was taking a really good look at my g2 using my nexus one led torch.
In the top left corner is a sensor and another odd looking thing.
To me and a few other people I have showed it to it looks like a camera.
I compared it to the sensors on my nexus one and it looks more like a camera than any type of sensor.
I know it doesn't mention anything about a camera in the specs
but just like my nexus one updates unlocked new features that were already there.
the hardware already existed.
I'm not saying I am right
I just want other people to take a good look at it and give your opinion.
If it is a camera then that would definitely make the g2 the phone for me

You have a proximity sensor as well as a light sensor.

JCopernicus said:
You have a proximity sensor as well as a light sensor.
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Do you actually have a g2?
you are right the phone does obviously have both the proximity and light sensors
but like I mentioned so does my nexus and this looks nothing like either of those 2
if you are right then I believe the camera looking one would be the light sensor. And that would be one hell of a light sensor
But just a note the leds are nicely hidden under the speaker grill and another sensor could be as well.
I just don't want to rule it out just yet
unless you yourself have a g2 that you have examined please don't make comments

i would love to believe that T-mobile hid this surprise from us. Even as far as to not even include it in the specs for the phone anywhere but I really don't think they would. It would also make the phone to much competition for the upcoming myTouch HD which I believe is gonna be even more expensive than the G2 was.

i have to admit it does kinda look like a little camera but that is most definately just the 2 stated sensors. The whole is wayyy to small to be a camera and there was already a tear down of this phone with nothing stating it had a front facing camera. our hopes are crushed :'(

epeets said:
i would love to believe that T-mobile hid this surprise from us. Even as far as to not even include it in the specs for the phone anywhere but I really don't think they would. It would also make the phone to much competition for the upcoming myTouch HD which I believe is gonna be even more expensive than the G2 was.
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myTouch HD is the Desire HD? If so, they ruined its looks.

ericc191 said:
myTouch HD is the Desire HD? If so, they ruined its looks.
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i agree, the myTouch plastic case just doesnt do it for me, it makes me feel like a child

you guys DO know that desire HD has a 4.3" screen as MyTouch HD has a 3.8" screen.... completely different devices.
I'd say its a variant of HTC lexicon (verizon phone) without the keyboard.

It does look a little like a cam but its smaller than all the other FFCs I've seen on other phones so I'm pretty sure its just one of the sensors
The HTC website has specs up for the Desire HD. Its a different phone from the mytouch.
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The 2 front facing holes were one of the first things I noticed.
The bottom hole looks like it could be a low res camera,
I would open it up to confirm, but im not sure im going to keep the phone so I dont want to void my warranty just yet.

They aren't going to hide something that people WANT.
They're sensors, nothing more.

epeets said:
i would love to believe that T-mobile hid this surprise from us. Even as far as to not even include it in the specs for the phone anywhere but I really don't think they would. It would also make the phone to much competition for the upcoming myTouch HD which I believe is gonna be even more expensive than the G2 was.
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If you open the back panel and look underneath the SD card there is actually a flux capacitor - it's for a future update allowing time travel!

khaosxiii said:
If you open the back panel and look underneath the SD card there is actually a flux capacitor - it's for a future update allowing time travel!
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Thats why the back of the phone is made of brushed metal, to help with the flux dispersal.

Fact: Cyanogen could, if he wanted to, make a front-facing camera using just the proximity sensor and the light senor.

joebobjoe said:
Fact: Cyanogen could, if he wanted to, make a front-facing camera using just the proximity sensor and the light senor.
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I really hope that was a joke

funkadesi said:
I really hope that was a joke
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Cyanogen has a rooted G2 locked in a vault under his desk right now. After a brief conference call with Chuck Norris and Batman it was decided that he not release it due to the amazing uncontrollable power that would be unleashed on the earth and the possible consequences of it falling into the wrong hands.
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Smh @ this thread
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khaosxiii said:
Cyanogen has a rooted G2 locked in a vault under his desk right now. After a brief conference call with Chuck Norris and Batman it was decided that he not release it due to the amazing uncontrollable power that would be unleashed on the earth and the possible consequences of it falling into the wrong hands.
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dammmmmmmmnn that was the funniest thing I heard yet

someone already tore the phone apart. Don't you think they would have mentioned a FFC?

funkadesi said:
joebobjoe said:
Fact: Cyanogen could, if he wanted to, make a front-facing camera using just the proximity sensor and the light senor.
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I really hope that was a joke
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Well...it might work -- if you were OK with 1-pixel images.

Camera quality (lack of)

Who has got the GN and is happy with the camera quality.
I took the plunge on this phone based on some sample pics i had seen but my first pics are awful. My htc desire took much better pics, in fact my Nokia N97 was better than this.
I took some pics today but it was quite dull but the pics came out wishy washy and out of focus.
Will the camera be improved with an update? Or am I stuck with it? I was going to sell my previous phone the S2 but I think I might hold fire a couple of weeks because i can't live with this.
Otherwise the Nexus seems great.

its the NexusOne camera

Can you post some of the pictures you took up please?

Look ate these, not good. :-(

Very bad... any other shot from anyone?
Maybe without resizing them...

That definitely looks like the photographer's fault. The first picture clearly has motion blur, and the second one is poorly focused.
Are you sure you're tapping the screen to focus before taking the picture?

low light and (to be fair) not the most photogenic of subjects ....
much better than my HTC Desire would have managed.
please note i dont claim to be a photographer

Yes tried to tap to focus but if anything, this makes it worse.

i noticed much better results using the tap to focus .....

Camera on mine is pretty good, I cant complain. Just took a quick one for you
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.....oh and the image resize doesnt really do them justice. a lot of the detail is obviously lost.

Mh, saw this on G+ today which looks pretty good in my opinion.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/113273913706138669399/posts/3AtgttXQHK6

MysteriousDiary said:
Mh, saw this on G+ today which looks pretty good in my opinion.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/113273913706138669399/posts/3AtgttXQHK6
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That does look good.
Im pleased with the camera. im old enough to remember early attempts to put a camera on a phone

http://i.imgur.com/8JhuK.jpg random spider. I'm happy with the camera.

alsex87 said:
http://i.imgur.com/8JhuK.jpg random spider. I'm happy with the camera.
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lol..... if thats a 'random spider' im glad i live in the UK

wilbur-force said:
low light and (to be fair) not the most photogenic of subjects ....
much better than my HTC Desire would have managed.
please note i dont claim to be a photographer
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Haha those pictures are awesome. Cool pets
MysteriousDiary said:
Mh, saw this on G+ today which looks pretty good in my opinion.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/113273913706138669399/posts/3AtgttXQHK6
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That really is a nice photo.
alsex87 said:
http://i.imgur.com/8JhuK.jpg random spider. I'm happy with the camera.
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Holy jeebus. Gives me the creeps... Something about those lanky ones. Up in WA we have 'Hobo spiders'... kinda look the same.

here's my comparison article: http://www.freeyourandroid.com/inthenews/sgs2-vs-galaxy-nexus-camera-comparison

wilbur-force said:
lol..... if thats a 'random spider' im glad i live in the UK
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You'll be glad to know that this is in the UK hahaha.

alsex87 said:
You'll be glad to know that this is in the UK hahaha.
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OK.... ive just lifted my feet up from the floor and checked under the sofa

just our regular toilet spider

Camera?

Has anyone found a good camera for the nexus? I can't seem to get the stock one to give me a good crisp picture.
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Vignette.
If you don't it, you wont like any camera app.

djgdroid said:
Has anyone found a good camera for the nexus? I can't seem to get the stock one to give me a good crisp picture.
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are you tapping the screen on the focus point you want? if you dont, it wont focus on that target.

stock app is fine. you just need some practice on how to take pictures.

Yes i've found one - it's Nikon D3100. Now i'll try seriously. Google has damn good coders and if it was posible to simply write better camera app they've had it done already. No offence for other developers.
If camera is very important for you shall get some other phone with better camera, it isn't hard to find one. Or buy a proper DSLR camera (yes, i'd be fruity happy if they were as compact as mibile phones).

MS. said:
Yes i've found one - it's Nikon D3100. Now i'll try seriously. Google has damn good coders and if it was posible to simply write better camera app they've had it done already. No offence for other developers.
If camera is very important for you shall get some other phone with better camera, it isn't hard to find one. Or buy a proper DSLR camera (yes, i'd be fruity happy if they were as compact as mibile phones).
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idk about that; google can't even get gmail contact images to be above 96x96, despite us asking them since 2009.
google wouldn't have done anything with this camera, samsung would have. the camera hardware on the nexus just isn't good compared to the competition, as you alluded to

MS. said:
Yes i've found one - it's Nikon D3100. Now i'll try seriously. Google has damn good coders and if it was posible to simply write better camera app they've had it done already. No offence for other developers.
If camera is very important for you shall get some other phone with better camera, it isn't hard to find one. Or buy a proper DSLR camera (yes, i'd be fruity happy if they were as compact as mibile phones).
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You could hit the middle ground and get a Micro 4/3 camera. That's my choice.
But really, the GNex doesn't take awful photos. Compose properly and take 2sec and you'll get a good enough photo for things you're taking pictures of with a phone (posting to Facebook, G+, Twitter, etc.).

jayochs said:
idk about that; google can't even get gmail contact images to be above 96x96, despite us asking them since 2009.
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Sometimes it takes a lot of effort and time to convince a developer to add a simple button on a web site and once it's done, then everyone wonders how could they live without it so long. There's loooooong story behind this from my own experience
jayochs said:
google wouldn't have done anything with this camera, samsung would have. the camera hardware on the nexus just isn't good compared to the competition, as you alluded to
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Yes, but don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that GNex has bad camera. It's just not as good as some others. And those people who actually need a good camera on their smartphones, usually going trough few reviews before buying it.
Martonikaj> absolutely agree with you, but i'm not one of those who complaining about GNex camera. I saw sample pictures/videos before i bought this phone and even more to that - take a look at my signature (the last three owned phones)

From my experience with this camera so far.
1) If you have a good light source, your fine.
2) For indoor shots, they work best when the light source is coming from behind you. Cuts down the pixelation.
3) Tap the screen at the focus point you want.
4) For night shots, I find they work best when you disable the flash. Don't use night scene mode, never had much luck with that.
Outdoor this camera can take some great shots, but indoors you have to handle it a certain way.

I was pretty sure when I decided on the nexus that the camera was going to be the weak spot. I just loved that it was pure Android. I've tried camera fx and have noticed a slightly better quality picture but I'm just not loving the interface. I was hoping someone had tried a camera app that I hadn't and liked it. I really liked the camera on my old HTC incredible but that was the only thing better than my nexus.
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Camera Question

So a while back I was using the HTC One S. I got it for the camera. I prefer samsung, for the most part, and have gone from a vibrant to galaxy s 4g to galaxy s 2. The only reason I did not go to the galaxy s 3 originally was because I needed a better camera. I wound up having to sell my HTC One s for some cash, and now I have the change to get a phone again, I am stuck, once again, between the one s and the s3. Personally, I would like to wait for the note 2, but I don't have the time. I am stuck with a basic flip phone right now, and while i don't mind using a flip phone, I have to have something for tethering with my tablet while I am work. So that is the rock and a hard place. Any phone I buy is going to be a few hundred bucks anyways, so I would rather go another hundred or two more and get the one s or s3.
Personally, the One S was great with the Axiom ROM. The battery lasted forever, and it had great extra features.
However, the s3 is still my preferred choice because of the bigger screen, the 720p, svoice, voice actions, and many other things. Not to mention the extra compatibility with my note 10.1 tablet.
My only real issue here, admidst all my rambling, is the camera. I know the HTC One S has an f/2.0 aperture, and the s3 has a f/2..6 aperture which makes a difference (although some people report the aperture as f/2.4)...my concern is how people actually like the photos and video. Ive noticed some washed out looks compared to the one s. I know the f/2.6 will give better depth vs the f/2.0, but thats about the end of the benefits.
My main concern is quality of photos/videos, and quickness of the picture. I have two young boys and I want to be able to snap a photo that is clear and of good quality, at a moments notice without having to worry about missing it or getting a blurry shot.
Any comments or thoughts on this would be helpful.

Ohai search button
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809547

If the cam is your main concern, I think you will be happy either way. There may be a difference side by side but if you're not ccomparing the two like that you probably wouldn't care either way.
While some may have had issues with the camera I would say the vast majority have not.
There are a number of things that could cause pic problems here. Lots of people are running jb leaked firmware. Lots are using the cam from the note2. I seem to remember a few had problems fixed by updating the cam firmware...
But like I said, I doubt you'd be dissatisfied with the gs3. I dont know how theyd compare side by side but unless you're doing just that I dont think you'd notice or care.
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psykhotic said:
Ohai search button
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809547
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Ive seen plenty of camera shot examples, but pretty much all (most, but not all) are from still photos are "posed" shots. It takes good pictures, and I think my only issue is its a little washed out vs the One S. However, I can deal with that. My biggest question is lag from button press to picture taken.
So, how much lag is there in taking a picture? If I wanted to take a picture right when somewhat hit the water diving off a diving board, or of my cat jumping from fence pole to fence pole and wanted a shot right in the middle between two poles, etc....how easy would it be? With the One S I could get pretty much zero lag. if I hit the capture button its taken the picture right then, and I can click the capture button over and over and over in rapid succession (not burst mode) and take multiple pictures. I really want the GS3 over the One S for other reasons, but need the camera to be on the same level.
So how quick does it take a picture when the button is pressed?...and how quickly does it recover to take another picture?

I find it to be quite quick on all accounts. Hasn't caused me any issues as of yet. Also, there is a feature where you can just record video and then capture the pics you want from the video.
Have you seen the commercial with the hikers and the goat?
The only complaint I have about the camera is the lack of hardware buttons for it. But I can deal with that.
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I can get the no texting and driving sign while typing this.
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DocHoliday77 said:
I find it to be quite quick on all accounts. Hasn't caused me any issues as of yet. Also, there is a feature where you can just record video and then capture the pics you want from the video.
Have you seen the commercial with the hikers and the goat?
The only complaint I have about the camera is the lack of hardware buttons for it. But I can deal with that.
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Thanks for the feedback.
Its rather important to be quick on the camera trigger. Even with the zero lag of the One S I did miss some things. I have my two boys and they can be making a face or doing a little dance to their favorite tv show and I want to capture it, but the moment may just last a few seconds, and I need a quick trigger finger. So I dont want to have to focus and then 'click'. I want to hit and click at the same time.
Right now, however, I am stuck my an LG Mytouch Q and definitely not the best in the camera department. lol

Yeah I hear you on wanting to be able to get that quick shot. Its the msin reason I miss the csm button. But theres also a motion setting where you tap and hold on lock screen whil rotating to landscape takes you straight to the camera. I just added to my lockscreen shortcuts. Auto focus is pretty good too btw.
Dont forget you can always get the S3 and try it for 14 days. If it doesn't meet your needs return it and get the One S.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Yeah I hear you on wanting to be able to get that quick shot. Its the msin reason I miss the csm button. But theres also a motion setting where you tap and hold on lock screen whil rotating to landscape takes you straight to the camera. I just added to my lockscreen shortcuts. Auto focus is pretty good too btw.
Dont forget you can always get the S3 and try it for 14 days. If it doesn't meet your needs return it and get the One S.
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Thats where my problem lies. I work for T-Mobile. Mind you everything I do here is personal and not affiliated with my tmobile employment, but I work for them, and I know just about everything there is to know about the phones, but because I have not had a chance to really test shutter lag on the phone, I dont know if it meets my needs. I am VERY picky. I don't work in a retail store or anything so I dont deal with the phones in my hand daily.
...and because I work for the company, I do not get a buyers remorse period on my purchases. Once I order it, give or take a couple of exceptions to the rule, its mine. So while I can tell you about every wifi share options, every motion and voice control, and so on, I dont know for sure if the camera lag will be a problem in practical use because I do not have the phone physically with me. ..and when I did have the phone physically with me...I never tested it cause I either had my one s or was not in the mindset of having to buy a phone lol. I will probably get a chance to check out a demo model tomorrow when I head in to work, but I was trying to get it ordered over the weekend, so it would start processing my order. Our order system is different and the sooner the better.

Galaxy S3
phoenixbennu said:
So a while back I was using the HTC One S. I got it for the camera. I prefer samsung, for the most part, and have gone from a vibrant to galaxy s 4g to galaxy s 2. The only reason I did not go to the galaxy s 3 originally was because I needed a better camera. I wound up having to sell my HTC One s for some cash, and now I have the change to get a phone again, I am stuck, once again, between the one s and the s3. Personally, I would like to wait for the note 2, but I don't have the time. I am stuck with a basic flip phone right now, and while i don't mind using a flip phone, I have to have something for tethering with my tablet while I am work. So that is the rock and a hard place. Any phone I buy is going to be a few hundred bucks anyways, so I would rather go another hundred or two more and get the one s or s3.
Personally, the One S was great with the Axiom ROM. The battery lasted forever, and it had great extra features.
However, the s3 is still my preferred choice because of the bigger screen, the 720p, svoice, voice actions, and many other things. Not to mention the extra compatibility with my note 10.1 tablet.
My only real issue here, admidst all my rambling, is the camera. I know the HTC One S has an f/2.0 aperture, and the s3 has a f/2..6 aperture which makes a difference (although some people report the aperture as f/2.4)...my concern is how people actually like the photos and video. Ive noticed some washed out looks compared to the one s. I know the f/2.6 will give better depth vs the f/2.0, but thats about the end of the benefits.
My main concern is quality of photos/videos, and quickness of the picture. I have two young boys and I want to be able to snap a photo that is clear and of good quality, at a moments notice without having to worry about missing it or getting a blurry shot.
Any comments or thoughts on this would be helpful.
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IMHO the Galaxy S3 takes the best pics I have ever taken with a phone. See for yourself. I am attaching two pics of a sunset/day-time at Vanderbilt Beach, Florida. Rarely have I been disappointed with the quality of the pics. At least for me, they almost always turn out perfect. I highly recommend the Galaxy S3. Even in low-light situations, you still get a great pic.

Well 1) it's a camera phone and 2) ymmv. There isn't more "lag" than a cheap point and shoot but this isn't a dslr, it's a phone. It's going to come down to to you and each unique situation.

Upgrade camera sensor

What's the chances of installing the camera sensor from a Desire 816 or an M8 ultra to get a 13mp camera rather than the 4mp? They obviously work with sense 6, but will they fit?
Let's say it, would you be tempted?

mwatson said:
What's the chances of installing the camera sensor from a Desire 816 or an M8 ultra to get a 13mp camera rather than the 4mp? They obviously work with sense 6, but will they fit?
Let's say it, would you be tempted?
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Lol, why would you do that. HTC isn't stupid, they wouldn't put better camera in midranger than in flagship.
For my purpouses, camera is great. Night photos are the best. Daily are sometimes overexposed, but play a little with settings and they won't be. Pictures are good even on the monitor screen.

I would say chances are less than zero. Even if it was the same ribbon cable pinout, there's no way it's the same physical footprint so it wouldn't fit, and the software would have no idea how to talk to it. You have a better chance of your phone sprouting legs.

mwatson said:
What's the chances of installing the camera sensor from a Desire 816 or an M8 ultra to get a 13mp camera rather than the 4mp? They obviously work with sense 6, but will they fit?
Let's say it, would you be tempted?
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lol.... ¬¬ are you serious? impossible

eltoffer said:
lol.... ¬¬ are you serious? impossible
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It was once said to be impossible to split an atom... I don't know if you've ever check out some of the homebrew electronics sites & forums, but I have seen more unbelievably amazing things than soldering a cmos onto a board. While it may be highly impractical, improbable even, few things are impossible.

GSLEON3 said:
It was once said to be impossible to split an atom... I don't know if you've ever check out some of the homebrew electronics sites & forums, but I have seen more unbelievably amazing things than soldering a cmos onto a board. While it may be highly impractical, improbable even, few things are impossible.
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If this guy is asking for that it is impossible (st least for him/her, also don't know why we would want a worse camera on this device, not impossible for HTC but for us :/ easy
Desde HTC One M8

GSLEON3 said:
It was once said to be impossible to split an atom... I don't know if you've ever check out some of the homebrew electronics sites & forums, but I have seen more unbelievably amazing things than soldering a cmos onto a board. While it may be highly impractical, improbable even, few things are impossible.
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You could solder a Subaru onto the side of the phone too, it doesn't mean it can drive. There's more to these things than a little fun with a soldering iron.
Given enough time, ambition, and access to the full source of everything involved (kernel, drivers), I'm sure it's POSSIBLE. But no one is going to do it -- that's the part that has zero percent chance of happening. For that amount of effort and time just buy a different phone that suits you better, or wait a year.

Crikey I'm not being funny but what's the big hang up with m8 camera, it's a phone for crying out loud? There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It takes perfectly good photos. Really if you need a top notch camera go and buy one that is designed for the job.

It is still funny to me, how people think the bigger number is always better.
13 mediocre mega pixels vs 4 excellent mega pixels. I prefer a camera that can actually handle different lighting conditions like the M8. I had an S5 for 2 days before returning it. The camera wasn't that great. I prefer the M8 .
It is sad that ignorant people can stifle real innovation with such blind devotion to bigger numbers. That's why Samsung does so well, they keep hyping numbers in a cheap phone and people buy it.
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Impossible :good:

It's not impossible I've done it! ! I've also constructed a rocket and lunar lander from egg boxes and managed to fly to the moon and spend the night there. Just got back to see this post! I'll post some pictures I took with the modified m8 in a while, they're absolutely cracking! If anyone else wants the mod done on there m8 off a trip to the moon send me a check for £500 and some solder oh and some egg boxes.
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