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[REVIEW] collection

How about we collect all the reviews we find of the release version of the Nexus?
Here are all the reviews in this thread collected:
Mobile Syrup
Cnet
The Verge
Engadget First Impressions
gazedice
First Look from Wired
First day with the Nexus from Techcrunch
Mashable
Android Central initial Review

Cnet review
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-nexus/4505-6452_7-35042961.html#reviewPage1

The Verge

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That one was EPIC !

Amazing how Josh Topolsky goes from annoying android fanboy to pretty regular and an Android fan soon as he's gone from Engadget.
Im noticing that the 4.65 screen is more like 4.3 usable screen. Makes getting a different phone less painful outside of the obvious Res advantage.
Bummer that the camera isnt best in class after the efforts made.

The one from engadget
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...tegory=classic&postPage=2&icid=eng_latest_art
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Samsung Galaxy Nexus video review roundup
http://gazedice.com/2011/11/17/samsung-galaxy-nexus-video-review-roundup/

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Cnet review
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-nexus/4505-6452_7-35042961.html#reviewPage1
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"Though we were hoping that it would be different, the Galaxy Nexus still has that slight laggy effect that we've seen on other Android phones. Indeed, you'll notice it here when scrolling through lists. It is better than we've seen on previous models, so it doesn't ruin the touch interface, but you do notice the difference when switching from an iOS or Windows Phone 7 device."
I thought Hardware Acceleration will line up android smoothness with IOS and WP7

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"Though we were hoping that it would be different, the Galaxy Nexus still has that slight laggy effect that we've seen on other Android phones. Indeed, you'll notice it here when scrolling through lists. It is better than we've seen on previous models, so it doesn't ruin the touch interface, but you do notice the difference when switching from an iOS or Windows Phone 7 device."
I thought Hardware Acceleration will line up android smoothness with IOS and WP7
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Funny, every video I've ever seen of it, the interface looks smooth as anything out there.

omrij said:
"Though we were hoping that it would be different, the Galaxy Nexus still has that slight laggy effect that we've seen on other Android phones. Indeed, you'll notice it here when scrolling through lists. It is better than we've seen on previous models, so it doesn't ruin the touch interface, but you do notice the difference when switching from an iOS or Windows Phone 7 device."
I thought Hardware Acceleration will line up android smoothness with IOS and WP7
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It probably doesn't have anything to do with "lag" as it appears on non-hardware accelerated devices, but with the touchscreen not being sensitive enough(trails finger). This can and will be tweaked(just look at the SGS2). Also I wouldn't trust CNET that much.

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It probably doesn't have anything to do with "lag" as it appears on non-hardware accelerated devices, but with the touchscreen not being sensitive enough(trails finger). This can and will be tweaked(just look at the SGS2). Also I wouldn't trust CNET that much.
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I'm not even sure if they have even the slightest basis for stating that, like they claim that they have eliminated the learning curve in some aspects, but re-created it in others. I can't really see where they've done that.
I also disagree with that it's "Just another Android device" without ICS, it's true that it's definitely not anything like the Nexus One when it was released, but i will say that the screen, no buttons and zero-shutter lag(That is a hardware thing, right?) does atleast differentiate it from every other android phone out there.

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I'm not even sure if they have even the slightest basis for stating that, like they claim that they have eliminated the learning curve in some aspects, but re-created it in others. I can't really see where they've done that.
I also disagree with that it's "Just another Android device" without ICS, it's true that it's definitely not anything like the Nexus One when it was released, but i will say that the screen, no buttons and zero-shutter lag(That is a hardware thing, right?) does atleast differentiate it from every other android phone out there.
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Most of her complaints stem from the fact that it's not obvious that swiping left and right does things.
This is really pretty ridiculous. Once you learn this motif, it's consistent across a lot of stuff. It's a very slight learning curve that brings an enormous amount of utility. She's complaining that it has a learning curve at all, which is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody would want to use a device that has zero learning curve - it would take forever to do anything.

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Cnet review
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-nexus/4505-6452_7-35042961.html#reviewPage1
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You can tell from their tone that they just don't like the Galaxy Nexus.
"GPS features performed well, though we were a little wary given the GPS issues that have plagued previous Samsung Galaxy devices."
"Just keep in mind that the Galaxy Nexus has just 32GB of internal memory."

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You can tell from their tone that they just don't like the Galaxy Nexus.
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I got that feeling too...I was confused why they rated it so high, since there seemed to be a lot of those passive-aggressive negative statements throughout the review.

So far I would say that the review from 'the vert' is the best.
They have very nice pictures and a very good writing style. In addition he makes you very excited about the phone but is still honest enough to admit it's weaknesses. I personally really like this site and how they are doing their work.
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The Engadget video is of very low quality! The background is a bad choice and is not leveled well. The GN keeps sliding down and it made me stop watching the video. Too irritating.
The quality of the The Verge video is awsome!

Nebucatnetzer said:
So far I would say that the review from 'the vert' is the best.
They have very nice pictures and a very good writing style. In addition he makes you very excited about the phone but is still honest enough to admit it's weaknesses. I personally really like this site and how they are doing their work.
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Agree, the verge review is the most accurate
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Updated the 1st post and found some new links.
http://mashable.com/2011/11/17/samsung-galaxy-nexus-review/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/17/my...us-and-ice-cream-sandwich-this-is-really-big/
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/11/galaxy-nexus-android/

Found another one.
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-hands-video-and-initial-review

Pipo M7 Pro vs Nexus 7 (flo)

Hey guys, so I'm going Tablet hunting and have come down with 2 leading candidates, the Pipo M7 Pro, a Chinese Tablet. or the Nexus 7 (2013).
The only thing that worries me is the development. As a Flashaholic I'd like a tablet with decent dev support, and I haven't seen any dev support for the Pipo M7 Pro.
Now, the Nexus 7 Multi touch and GPS/random reboot issues have me here at bay, making the debate a bit more intense.
I'll probably use my tablet for reading, school related work or gaming/listening to music (rarely though, I'll probably have my Galaxy Nexus for that which works fine really(or a Nexus 5 by the time it comes out ))
Any recommendations/Opinions/Point of views will be appreciated.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.

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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Mostly every blog I've read mentions it. But I guess I'm just on that "unlucky and unconventional" part of the internet.
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Been thru quite a few "shows" ... the TF101, the 2012 Nexus 7 & now the 2013 Nexus 7...
I still don't hesitate a bit to buy one. Heck, I even wish there is a refurbished sales right now.

danvee said:
Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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So it is a hardware issue? And not software related?
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Your guess is as good as theirs right now....

Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.

Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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dpaganello said:
This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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Thank you for your opinion.
Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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First,
I agree with the above line in bold.
Second,
If you aren't in a hurry to buy a tablet, I'd wait to see what the TegraTab and the LG G Pad 8.3 end up being like. That's what I'm going to do when I return/exchange my N7 flo for the 3rd time. I'm on my 2nd one now, so hopefully the 3rd try will be the the charm! I expect both those options to be more expensive, but if either of them is within 100 of the 32gb N7 flo (as long as it's 32gb or 16gb with a microsd), then I'll probably give it a shot.
Third,
If you absolutely want a tablet right now, I can't recommend the N7 in good conscience. Having had two with the same exact issue(multitouch), I would say the odds are pretty good that you'd get one with the same issue. That said, if the N7 is what you like and you don't mind potentially returning/exchanging it, get one. Just be sure to buy from somewhere with a good return/exchange program. I've had pretty good luck with Best Buy so far, as well as Amazon. I'd choose Best Buy if there's one near you for ease of returning/exchanging, i.e. no wait time.
Good Luck!

Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.

Nutsonfire said:
I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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Jimlarck said:
Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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They are not, but fans of Chinese stuff like to go crazy about them and use them to compare with brand name products. If I see two products with similar scores I would expect similar function but clearly it's not the case.
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I had Asus Infinity TF700T before, but I was very disappointed about the build quality and the lagging of the device. I hated that tab every moment. I didn't install custom rom because it required unlocking the device and loosing the warranty. So I sold it and bought Pipo M7pro.
I like the screen and size of the tablet and this is much faster and smoother than Asus TF700. Also the build quality is better than on Asus, which had loose screen even repaired three times for warranty.
Multi window feature is pretty cool! Check the video from youtube.
I'm really satisfied of this cheap Chinese tab!
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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Jimlarck said:
So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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I think the Chinese phones and tablets may have some issues but then again so do other phones. In my opinion it is best to wait for a very comprehensive review before you buy. And only buy from a near-by supplier that is willing to take it back if it is faulty, do not buy direct from China because it is unlikely to get your money back, plus the shipping costs and customs would make it uneconomical to return items.
For example, a year ago I bought a Chinese phone, with superb specifications. It seems to have two faults (at least). First, it is very fussy with the SD card, many applications do not work with it and especially GPS Navigation applications that store huge maps on the SD card. Secondly the GPS receiver is either broken or simply very, very bad. My dedicated Garmin GPS, my wife's iPhone4, my son's Samsung S3 : they all lock on to the GPS almost instantly. The Chinese phone needs to be absolutely stand still for like 5-10 minutes before it can lock on. Completely useless in the car for example, I have to stop the car, and then wait 5-10 minutes so it can lock.
Someone said above that high-end Chinese phones and tabs use Qualcomm and Samsung parts and not their own. Well, no **** Sherlock! That qualifies as one of the most idiotic statements I have read. Every single electronic device in the world uses parts made by various/hundreds of other manufacturers. This has always been the case. I would not expect the Pipo M7 Pro to have components made by Pipo - and it does not matter anyway. My Sony VAIO laptop does not use a "SONY" CPU, or chipset, or GPU, or memory, or capacitors, or resistors, actually I doubt that a single component inside my laptop is actually made by Sony, except perhaps the badge!!!

I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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RKight said:
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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Here's a problem for those with N7 Pro : the speakers crackle at high volume.

Do not buy M7 Pro
OK I guess finally I may have something to help after getting so many helps from this nice forum.
I live in China and I'd say I'm quite familiar with Chinese tablets and nexus devices. (proud owner of both types) I've yet to find a Chinese native brand tablet that marches either Nexus 7's build quality or OS stability. (always search for teardown pics before decision) Usually they have small problems here or there, but you don't have a bug list and workaround thread in a good forum simply because they don't have enough users.
There are worth buying Chinese tablets though. They are usually much cheaper than Nexus 7, don't have fatal problems, have good user base and forums to post workarounds of those small issues, and recently they start to come in so many varieties of screen size. (there used to be a time when they are mainly 7" widescreen, before the mighty Nexus 7's arrival.)
IMHO if you prefer 7" tablet, just grab the new Nexus 7. If not, don't buy M7 Pro for the following reasons:
1 Rockchip is not as friendly to devs as its rival SoC company Allwinner. I can find unofficial CM10.2 on AllWinner platform but I find almost nothing on Rockchip;
2 RK3188 seems strong, but in practice it's not a good chip for HD "Retina" display due to poor design choice of a single channel 32bit memory controller, which results a memory bandwidth that nearly kills GPU performance. BTW that's just a fraction of bandwidth compared to the new Nexus 7. I heard the GPU performance is so poor that even stock launcher can't go butterly smooth.
However RK3188 + a 1024*768 display is fine.
Summary: don't buy RK3188+HD display like the M7 Pro; strongly recommend new Nexus 7
correction: No Chinese SoC performs well on 1080p display. I'd guess 720p is the limit.
Hope it helps

[Q] Want to buy N7, how are the impressions by owners?

hey guys, wanna buy the new nexus 7.
just want to ask the "nerds" how they think about their device. can u advice it other people. just read about a few bugs on amazon, just need a few impressions if those bugs are still existing, at least i am going to flash a custom rom xD
is the multitouch bug software or hadware related or even already solved?
read about noisy backspeaker when low volume. are this general existing bugs or just some people which had no luck to get a good n7?
thx in advance

L-ViZ said:
hey guys, wanna buy the new nexus 7.
just want to ask the "nerds" how they think about their device. can u advice it other people. just read about a few bugs on amazon, just need a few impressions if those bugs are still existing, at least i am going to flash a custom rom xD
is the multitouch bug software or hadware related or even already solved?
read about noisy backspeaker when low volume. are this general existing bugs or just some people which had no luck to get a good n7?
thx in advance
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I love, love, love mine! Both the 16gb Wi-Fi and the LTE model I just bought. (Dad will get the Wi-Fi model now that i have the LTE version.) Both are stock unrooted with no chrome beta app installed. And zero issues on either one. The WiFi model had a GPS issue which has been fixed with a software update and it has been very solid since. I have had no freezes or reboots (except once when I plugged in a micro SD card reader device, probably related to the Nexus media importer app.) I haven't seen the multi touch issue, not sure exactly how that shows up. It could be that my usage is different. I suggest you buy it from a vendor that allows you to return or exchange it and try it for yourself with no risk.
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kisrita said:
I love, love, love mine! Both the 16gb Wi-Fi and the LTE model I just bought. (Dad will get the Wi-Fi model now that i have the LTE version.) Both are stock unrooted with no chrome beta app installed. And zero issues on either one. The WiFi model had a GPS issue which has been fixed with a software update and it has been very solid since. I have had no freezes or reboots (except once when I plugged in a micro SD card reader device, probably related to the Nexus media importer app.) I haven't seen the multi touch issue, not sure exactly how that shows up. It could be that my usage is different. I suggest you buy it from a vendor that allows you to return or exchange it and try it for yourself with no risk.
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that's what i wanted to hear
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You may want to check this out...
On Google's own forums...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[726-750-false]

Another 7" tablet to consider is the Kindle Fire HD 2 which will have better hardware including the Snapdragon 800 CPU.

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Another 7" tablet to consider is the Kindle Fire HD 2 which will have better hardware including the Snapdragon 800 CPU.
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I read somewhere although cpu on our new nexus s4 pro but something is very similar to the s600 CPU also kindle will lack NFC wireless charging and most important system update
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big_b0sss said:
I read somewhere although cpu on our new nexus s4 pro but something is very similar to the s600 CPU also kindle will lack NFC wireless charging and most important system update
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With the better hardware, hopefully more ROM developers will be on board to take full advantage of it.

I would hold off until Google make another official announcement about either of the touch/sound issue.
However, It is a great tablet, way snappier than any of the Samsung tabs in my opinion.
Also the other plus side is the new KitKat update for Android that Google is unveiling around Oct. probably will be pushed out to Nexus devices shortly after.

FluffyR said:
I would hold off until Google make another official announcement about either of the touch/sound issue.
However, It is a great tablet, way snappier than any of the Samsung tabs in my opinion.
Also the other plus side is the new KitKat update for Android that Google is unveiling around Oct. probably will be pushed out to Nexus devices shortly after.
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I have no problems with my touch or sound or GPS. My tablet is perfect. Only had it for about 2 weeks not but so far so good. Absolutely LOVE it. I sold my Galaxy Note 8.0 to buy this and i dont regret it one bit.I miss not having a MicroSD slot but that is going to be fixed by buying a Seagate 1tb wireless hard drive.

Same here, no problems at all :victory:
(32GB Wifi version)
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I have it since Friday and I just love it. Over the weekend I've been using it very extensively and have found no issues at all. It's fast, smooth, the screen is great (so much so that I'm looking at my various other displays quite differently now - everything seems blocky and pixelated).
If you're in for a small tablet, it's hard getting around this one.
The LG G Pad 8.3 looks interesting too, but I much prefer having a device that will be updated with new Android versions for the coming years.

very happy with the new nexus 7
got it since 1 week, and traveled already 1/3 around the world.
I just found a little hiss sound on top speaker at low volume. i didn't not notice it before.
everything is much better than the previous nexus 7.

yay, a lot of positive feedback hope there will be good customroms hopefully psx will be available as stable. already using it on my maguro

My first one had a speaker issue. Replaced and current one has no issues at all besides what i considered "low volume" from the speakers. I have since fixed that via Faux Sound.

32gb owner here, love it. Does everything very well. Fast, fluid, no touch issues, running PA and runs like a charm. Using it on a daily basis. Love customising it as with any android products.
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With the better hardware, hopefully more ROM developers will be on board to take full advantage of it.
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Kindle will never have the support the Nexus devices have.
Go N7II

xbs said:
Kindle will never have the support the Nexus devices have.
Go N7II
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We will see on how it compares.

After 3 weeks of use I love this thing. Working out as GPS really well too. Love it~

Love my 32GB Wifi (I share my phone as a hotspot and work pays for data so I wasn't going to get a LTE version, especially as my phone connects via LTE).
The first difference was to be noticed was the screen. The colour and sharpness are truly outstanding, you don't even need to have the two next to each other to appreciate it. Also apps and settings load faster and close faster as well as opening the task browser, no doubt the extra memory and CPU grunt at play. The sound from the speakers is a lot better, clearer and louder and stereo is noticeable but to avoid covering the speakers I either pinch the top or bottom in the middle or cup my hand around the speakers. I used to hold the end that did not have speakers but now that there is speakers at either end that you don't want to block with your hand so I would recommend holding one is store to make sure you can be comfortable with it and not block the speakers.
When I first got it I downloaded the latest TWRP Recovery mode (2.6.2), when coupled with the latest 4.3 update from Google with the latest patches built in the OS would not boot, it would stay at the coloured X loading screen permanently. I used an earlier versions of TWRP (2.6.0) with the same OS and it was fine- it may have been something I did and not the same for everyone but if anyone has the same issue try using the earlier version. Once this was complete and the device rooted I have not had a single problem.
The screen resolution truly is something to behold- HD movies look great as do games, especially cartoon style graphics, due to the brilliant colour reproduction. Even books and webpages with smooth letters, no jaggies, look fantastic. The rear camera, should I ever use it takes pictures that are not quite as good as with HTC One but a heap better the front camera on either device. I can't see myself using it much- maybe to show something while on Skype- but at least it is decent.
I do miss the textured back of the original model, it had some grip but the new one is smooth, a little too smooth, with the only grip coming from the Nexus logo with is indented. Also, the USB plug is still upside-down but the same occurs on the HTC One so at least they are the same.
Lastly, the headphone jack is on the top so if you are charging and have headphones on at the same time you will have cables coming out either end. This bugs me a bit but I’ll get over it.

not bad
If you have the original Nexus 7 you might not see much of a difference. Of course things have improved but in my opinion its pretty minor. I currently have an issue with the heat it puts out when playing certain games but even without this it's not much different than the original one. If you never owned a Nexus 7 then I highly recommend it. For browsing the web, watching youtube videos its the best. I hardly ever open my laptop since buying one.

[Q] Buy Nexus 7, wait for Nexus 8 or buy Dell Venue 8?

With all the screen issues, I'm very hesitant to buy a Nexus 7. Actually, I'd buy two; one for my wife and one for me. But, there seems to be no fix in sight for the all the screen issues. I'd rather have an 8 inch screen than a 7 inch screen, but I have no idea whether Google will produce a Nexus 8 in the next six months or so. And, Dell has their Venue 8 available for sale. It's screen resolution may not be as good as the Nexus, and it uses a dual core instead of a quad-core CPU. But, for web surfing, email, watching videos, it seems to do pretty well.
Wondering what forum members thoughts are. Will probably wait a little while and see if there are any negative reports on the Dell in the next few weeks. (All existing buyer reviews are pretty positive.)

Why do you need 8 inch? You should either buy 7 inch or 10+inch if you ask me, anything more than 7 inch is NOT portable, if you want a multimedia device to use at home don't buy 7 inch tablet. I don't have any screen issues, i think you should give more thought on what you need.

I have no idea why so many people think Google is going to make a nexus 8 when there is a nexus 7. They're not going to make a tablet from 5 to 10 just to satisfy every person who wants an obscure sized tablet. If Google ever makes 3rd nexus tablet choice it'll be larger than the 10 not in between 7 and 10.
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It's a hit or miss. Why not go to your most trusted retailer and test a couple out then pick the best screen you can find.
I don't have any issues with my unit.

Not sure what "screen issues" OP is referring to. Been using mine everyday for little over a week with no probs.

Bought one at Sams' Club last night and the screen has no issues.

Dakura said:
Why do you need 8 inch? You should either buy 7 inch or 10+inch if you ask me, anything more than 7 inch is NOT portable, if you want a multimedia device to use at home don't buy 7 inch tablet. I don't have any screen issues, i think you should give more thought on what you need.
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I can only guess that you don't know the physical size of the 8 inch is the same as the 7 inch, there's less screen border on the front.

Wubbz said:
I have no idea why so many people think Google is going to make a nexus 8 when there is a nexus 7. They're not going to make a tablet from 5 to 10 just to satisfy every person who wants an obscure sized tablet. If Google ever makes 3rd nexus tablet choice it'll be larger than the 10 not in between 7 and 10.
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I guess people think there will be Nexus 8 because of the pic released by Google a few months ago. It was quickly photoshop'd to a Nexus 7 after the roar on the net. Since Google actually took a picture of someone using what appeared to be a Nexus 8, a number of people, including me, expected Google to release a Nexus 8 sometime.

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Not sure what "screen issues" OP is referring to. Been using mine everyday for little over a week with no probs.
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There's a nine page thread entitled Potential Touch Screen Fix. This forum is full of Nexus 7 2nd gen touch screen problems. It looks a hardware grounding issue. Some people are on their fourth and fifth units and still having the problems.
I'm glad your's has worked well for one week and another poster's has worked well for one day, but this seems to be a hit and miss issue. Plus, many people notice the problem after having had the unit a while.

dulber said:
It's a hit or miss. Why not go to your most trusted retailer and test a couple out then pick the best screen you can find.
I don't have any issues with my unit.
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That seems to be the only real option. At least buying locally means you won't have to mail the unit back if its defective. You only have to return it to the store.
Unless, you want the additional geography of an 8 inch screen. I guess waiting seems to be the best bet.

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There's a nine page thread entitled Potential Touch Screen Fix. This forum is full of Nexus 7 2nd gen touch screen problems. It looks a hardware grounding issue. Some people are on their fourth and fifth units and still having the problems.
I'm glad your's has worked well for one week and another poster's has worked well for one day, but this seems to be a hit and miss issue. Plus, many people notice the problem after having had the unit a while.
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Gotcha, I guess I will just cross my fingers and hope that I don't experience any of the same issues. I will go ahead and look that thread up though, to at least familiarize myself with them in case they do arise. Thanks!
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I have had 2 with screen issues. The first one was extremely bad. 3 spots that didn't register touches practically at all. And the second one had touch issues and rebooting when the tablet was in a case. I was very disappointed. I am going to get a hp slate 7 extreme that runs the tegra 4. I play games often and the tegra 4 beats the snapdragon in gaming. The 1 gig of ram is still fine for the hp since kitkat is going to be running on it. The screen resolution is lower than the 7 v2 but it's still better than 720hd. The 7 v2 was my first choice but I feel that I gave Nexus 2 chances with their product and they failed.

Certainly don't wish anyone difficulties with their 7. In fact, the more positive current sales turn out to be, the more likely Asus has fixed these issues during manufacturing.
My wife and I have had a pair of Nexus 4 phones for over a year, and both are performing flawlessly. I guess we're looking for the same kind of reliability with a 7-8 inch tablet.
I'd love for Google to come out with a Nexus 8, like in the "old" screen shot. And, seeing what happens in the next few weeks seems like the safe bet.
Neither of us is a gamer, so we don't need the speed gamers require.

Mine made in August 2013, totally fine.
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The new Nexus 7 is my favorite device ever, and I use it hours a day even after months of having it. I'm actually glad I didn't get the LTE version because then it would never leave my side (tempting though, since TMobile offers free data for tablets).
From what I've seen on my Dell Venue 11, Windows 8 is nowhere near as easy to use or as useful as Android. It actually pisses me off sometimes, for well-known issues like battery drain and control panel. PM me if you want more thoughts on the Dell Venue.

dmkozak said:
There's a nine page thread entitled Potential Touch Screen Fix. This forum is full of Nexus 7 2nd gen touch screen problems. It looks a hardware grounding issue. Some people are on their fourth and fifth units and still having the problems.
I'm glad your's has worked well for one week and another poster's has worked well for one day, but this seems to be a hit and miss issue. Plus, many people notice the problem after having had the unit a while.
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Hi -- I've had my unit since October and I've had absolutely zero problems with it. :3 I bought it from Best Buy.

LG GPad 8.3, Google Play Edition.
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Is these issue's still happening on the Nexii 7 2013? I want to buy one myself.

I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas, it was purchased from Best Buy. I already have an HTC One, and I have to say -- the Nexus 7 keeps up fine, despite inferior specs. And my HTC One feels so very small now. It only beats the Nexus 7 in sound. I was reluctant to open up my Nexus 7, I gave a lot of thought to returning it for the credit, but I'm glad I kept it now. Go get a Nexus 7!

And today's current rumor, from various component suppliers, is the Nexus 8 will be introduced this summer. (Background comments are that Google is disappointed in the sales of the current Nexus 7.)
Currently, the choices are Nexus 7 (2013) at $269 for 32 gb; LG G Pad 8.3 at $299 (street price) for 16gb but w/SDHC; or Dell Venue 8 at $179/$209 for 16/32 gb but w/SDHC. The Dell has less dense screen, but equal to the rest of the competition, and twin core CPU which is more than capable for videos.
I don't know how to "convert" std G Pad to Google Edition w/less bloatware and quicker OTA updates. If the OTA updates along from LG, and LG doesn't modify them, then the question becomes how much of delay in getting them from LG rather than from Google.
If either LG or Dell comes up with sweet deal, that might be the way to go. I'll have to keep my eyes open.

Off-topic, other device, comparisons to other devices, and upgrading phone discussion

Please use this thread to discuss devices other than and any comparisons with other devices on or about the Find 7 in this thread and any other off-topic issues that are not needing a new thread.
Post with respect, this is a helpful community, hope we all learn from this stuff in here.

Hey guys..
Oneplus one has been launched today..
Do u think the extra gig of ram makes it better than the Find 7a?

peRFect! said:
Hey guys..
Oneplus one has been launched today..
Do u think the extra gig of ram makes it better than the Find 7a?
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You also have to consider the fact that with the OnePlus One you're not getting VOOC charging, 128GB micro sd support, swappable batteries, complete open support for ROMing etc. In the end, InMyHumbleOpinion, the Find 7a is more versatile. There was a comparison made between the Nexus 5 and the OnePlus One in that they both had a "Nexus-like" appeal (one of those for obvious reasons...). You get a stock experience with no super flashy hardware appeals.
I think that you have many more options with the 7a, that you don't get on the One. Yes, you pay a little more for it, but you have the OPPOrtunity to do much more with it (see what I did there? )

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You also have to consider the fact that with the OnePlus One you're not getting VOOC charging, 128GB micro sd support, swappable batteries, complete open support for ROMing etc. In the end, InMyHumbleOpinion, the Find 7a is more versatile. There was a comparison made between the Nexus 5 and the OnePlus One in that they both had a "Nexus-like" appeal (one of those for obvious reasons...). You get a stock experience with no super flashy hardware appeals.
I think that you have many more options with the 7a, that you don't get on the One. Yes, you pay a little more for it, but you have the OPPOrtunity to do much more with it (see what I did there? )
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That VOOC charging is really alluring!
Only thing im thinking about is ram.. The ram issues on my dad's s3 really makes me think twice before purchasing any phone..
Waiting eagerly for Find 7a to release in india.. So i can have the OPPOrtunity (even i did it now ) to experience the phone!

I am considering the Find 7 to replace my Note 2.
Any other devices I might want to consider? I really like a big screen but I can't go much over the height of a Note2/3.
Is there any info about the release date of Find 7?
Thanks

Find 7 (QHD) preorders will not start before the half of June.

I'll be replacing my iPhone 5 with the Find 7A. I've still got a Nexus 4, but feel the jump between those Android devices is pretty huge.

Logistiks said:
I'll be replacing my iPhone 5 with the Find 7A. I've still got a Nexus 4, but feel the jump between those Android devices is pretty huge.
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You must not have kids, I cant hang on to my previous phone very long before one of my kids has dibs on it. Saddly nowadays my grandkids are starting to go after them.

I'm sick of Sammy's shenanigans. The Find 7a will be replacing a Note 3. Its about the closest thing to a Nexus device with an SD card I can find.

Dumb question
I, too, am considering this to replace my phone (LG G2). But I keep hearing people refer to full ROM support, flashing, Nexus-like, etc. To me, this phone has none of those. What am I missing? There's not a single ROM in the dev section, nor on the Oppo forums. Is it just too early?
I know the other models have a Cyanogenmod edition - are we assuming that this will get the same treatment? I saw that ROMing and rooting won't void the warranty, which is awesome...but where are those options? Currently the only thing holding me back from buying this is that it has 4.3 (Color OS) rather than KitKat.
Thanks,
-Collin-

CollinFX45 said:
I, too, am considering this to replace my phone (LG G2). But I keep hearing people refer to full ROM support, flashing, Nexus-like, etc. To me, this phone has none of those. What am I missing? There's not a single ROM in the dev section, nor on the Oppo forums. Is it just too early?
I know the other models have a Cyanogenmod edition - are we assuming that this will get the same treatment? I saw that ROMing and rooting won't void the warranty, which is awesome...but where are those options? Currently the only thing holding me back from buying this is that it has 4.3 (Color OS) rather than KitKat.
Thanks,
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Nothing is available yet because the phones are shipping lol. Oppo is devoted to the Dev community. They give certain devs free devices and are open with their source code. Take a look at the Find 5, supported by ALL the big Roms; CM, Omni, AOSPA, PA, Slim, PAC, etc. Even the Samsung Galaxy devices didn't have as much support. In my eyes, Oppo is second to Nexus for the Dev community.

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Nothing is available yet because the phones are shipping lol. Oppo is devoted to the Dev community. They give certain devs free devices and are open with their source code. Take a look at the Find 5, supported by ALL the big Roms; CM, Omni, AOSPA, PA, Slim, PAC, etc. Even the Samsung Galaxy devices didn't have as much support. In my eyes, Oppo is second to Nexus for the Dev community.
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This is fantastic news! I didn't realize that not many people had these devices just yet. Thanks for calming me down Time to order mine!
-Collin-

Can anyone with the phone say how it feels in the hand and how easily it is to operate with one hand? I know this phone is big but just want to get an idea of how usable it is. I would be coming from a Nexus 4 so quite a step up in size.

if they tweak the OS properly, if you flash a custom kernel and rom, the RAM is more than enough...like cmon having 3 hard core 3D games open all at once playing switching between them rapidly isnt something that you do everyday. Also, the COLOR OS 2.0 is pretty sexy, along with its maxxaudio...makes the speakers BOOM.
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If you can touch the bezel of the nexus 4, and the bottom bezel with one hand, then you should be fine with the find 7, but if you have problems handling the nexus 4 well...just touch the top and bottom bezel and see if you can do that on a daily basis, most people cant. This phone was ment for two handed use though

loving this phone at the moment,still got my note 2 though but looks like i will sell it as i love the camera on 7a

tonybhoy said:
loving this phone at the moment,still got my note 2 though but looks like i will sell it as i love the camera on 7a
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Can you confirm, as you have both devices, that the Find 7a display is a bit smaller than the Note 2 display? (both height and width)
Thanks!

tacchan23 said:
Can you confirm, as you have both devices, that the Find 7a display is a bit smaller than the Note 2 display? (both height and width)
Thanks!
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You're still on that ? lol As 5,55 > 5,5, it's normal that it is bigger display.

L0cke said:
Can anyone with the phone say how it feels in the hand and how easily it is to operate with one hand? I know this phone is big but just want to get an idea of how usable it is. I would be coming from a Nexus 4 so quite a step up in size.
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I've got big hands and.I do struggle to use with one hand in fact I use both hands to most of the times.

riz157 said:
I've got big hands and.I do struggle to use with one hand in fact I use both hands to most of the times.
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Does it fit in your pocket?
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Toon10 said:
Does it fit in your pocket?
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It fits in the back pocket of my jeans with just about 1/4" showing. It fits fine in the front pocket. My dress slacks fits easily.
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