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Galaxy S II with WP7 ahhh

Granted I haven't had my hand on the new Samsung Galaxy SII but looking at (I hate to say engadget review on the hardware) I think this would be an ultimate flagship design for wp7 (I know the processor hasn't been approved) but man that device looks nice and I have been very happy with my focus for a while now I am wanting this bad boy (am I bad I have had an HTC for the last 6yrs).

Mental diarrhea sprayed onto an XDA post. Nice work!

dreaming is not diarrhea lol
The Os performs great with the current standards if they are going to make a tiered version (which they will if Nokia intends on making a low cost wp7) why not make a high dollar one?

Yes its android its gud
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Actually, watching the video on Engadget, it still lags (Android I mean)...

Yes, GS2 with WP7 FTW!
I think GS2 is currently the ultimate phone.

amtrakcn said:
Yes, GS2 with WP7 FTW!
I think GS2 is currently the ultimate phone.
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Yeah, the specs are nice...but it's ugly, as was the Galaxy S
Why can't the do a design like the Galaxy S had in the Gorgio Armani edition? Or something like the SE X10?
The Omnia7 is the only Samsung high-end phone that looks good (could be better but at least it has edges and isn't rounded everywhere).

skycamefalling said:
Yeah, the specs are nice...but it's ugly, as was the Galaxy S
Why can't the do a design like the Galaxy S had in the Gorgio Armani edition? Or something like the SE X10?
The Omnia7 is the only Samsung high-end phone that looks good (could be better but at least it has edges and isn't rounded everywhere).
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So you like Captivate

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So you like Captivate
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Yeah, that one looks like the Armani Edition -really nice. I may have ended up with Android when the Galaxy S in Austria looked like this. So I waited for a decent phone and finally ended up with the Omnia7...it has been a good decision after all

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Actually, watching the video on Engadget, it still lags (Android I mean)...
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if you notice, he's doing a full screen screen capture, while using the camera, with sound, in720p, I wouldn't call that lag, I'd call it awesome.

ohgood said:
if you notice, he's doing a full screen screen capture, while using the camera, with sound, in720p, I wouldn't call that lag, I'd call it awesome.
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I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.

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I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.
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What I was saying/hinting in order to make a statement (which don't get me wrong everyone including my girl that I have let play with my wp7 want one and thats coming from iphone/android). But at the gym last night there was a guy with a attrix with a wp7 skin and I slapped him (silly foul for fun) because he was false claiming lol (forgive me its Friday). But really they need a wow factor phone because basically alot of people just buy for specs I hate to say (like people @ the gym I workout at) all they talk about is my phone has a 5-8mp camera and a dual processor blah blah, and I just said my phone works and quite well.

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I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.
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ahhhhh, ok i see it! I wonder if that is a beta hardware, or what version software its running. oddly, I haven't used a ota update or stock rom since the 1.x days. lag is something I just haven't experienced since then... and it puzzles me when I see so many commnets about it really.,

Lag has been the signature of Samsung Galaxy S. It remains to be seen that if S2 can improve on that. The reasons are two folds:
1. The Android OS's own problem (lack of hardware accel and poor garbage collection)
2. Samsung's insistence of using its antiquated RFS file system which is significantly worse than the common ext2 or 4 file system.
And there is really on dual-core support in Android OS in the immediate future. The Dalvik VM used in Android is single core only. Currently only the tablet OS, Honeycomb, supports dual-core.
In the end, what a waste of that beautiful hardware!

Nice work。。。。

Would love this with WP7.

You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.

vetvito said:
You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.
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we did hence the discussion about the LAG. Look I like the specs myself because they would make any developer salivate and want to at least test it for a spell - myself included. But even still, lag is lag and it's there.
We can call out all of wp inconsistencies till the cow comes home but do it to android its a fight. It's a pretty rational discussion about the SII and there have been no flames. Us, just like you, have watched the video and read the reviews. Let's not assume no one hasn't
And there is really on dual-core support in Android OS in the immediate future. The Dalvik VM used in Android is single core only. Currently only the tablet OS, Honeycomb, supports dual-core.
In the end, what a waste of that beautiful hardware!
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Technically most android d/cs...
for the moment again until something at android changes

A slight jerk one time, is that considered lag?

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You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.
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My hd7 is lagy and inernet browsing is pain full with ie ****

Engadget Review

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/24/galaxy-nexus-hspa-review/
Here's engadgets review.
5hrs battery rundown, 28hrs normal usage they're getting.
They say in terms of speed, Galaxy note with exynos still feels faster. But GN browser is of course amazing with lowest sunspider ever.
Camera is a big let down apparently, they're saying its barely better than the 5mp on the Nexus S etc in terms of quality/detail.
Overall though, i'd say the GN is still a beast of a device.

It is a beast engadget is just really biased. They find little things of every Android or try making it sound worse look up another review if you wanna see
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pewpewbangbang said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/24/galaxy-nexus-hspa-review/
Here's engadgets review.
5hrs battery rundown, 28hrs normal usage they're getting.
They say in terms of speed, Galaxy note with exynos still feels faster. But GN browser is of course amazing with lowest sunspider ever.
Camera is a big let down apparently, they're saying its barely better than the 5mp on the Nexus S etc in terms of quality/detail.
Overall though, i'd say the GN is still a beast of a device.
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I agree with most of what they said, but they were a bit hard on the camera imo.
Sure, it's not overwhelming - but just because something isn't overwhelming doesn't mean that it's necessarily underwhelming.
And I love the speed of the browser - it's actually faster than browsing on my laptop

Drzfr3shboialex said:
It is a beast engadget is just really biased. They find little things of every Android or try making it sound worse look up another review if you wanna see
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I usually tend to agree that Engadget shows a lot of bias and favor Apple, but they did call the Galaxy Nexus the "possibly even the best phone available today, period".

Those pictures they have taken with their Galaxy Nexus is actually better, or as good, as the pictures I have taken with my Galaxy S II.

Drzfr3shboialex said:
It is a beast engadget is just really biased. They find little things of every Android or try making it sound worse look up another review if you wanna see
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Not sure why everyone thinks this. You ever listen to the mobile podcast? Myriam is far from an Apple fangirl. She takes things for what they are and I think she's honest on the pros and cons of the Galaxy Nexus.

I dont understand why reviewers get labeled as fan boys. They are fans of tech, and thats hard when apple makes a great device. Sure its not for everyone but it is good and its the benchmark. I love android just as much as the next person but lets get real people.

The camera is definitely not the best (from the video or from the sample photos)

camera really sucks i should prob just wait until the next 4.0 phone

audi09 said:
camera really sucks i should prob just wait until the next 4.0 phone
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I don't understand why people make such a big deal about cell phone camera's. If you are a photographer, then get a real camera.
I guess everyone uses their phone differently, and has certain expectations. For me, as long as it takes decent pictures, and doesn't take 30 seconds to focus and snap i'm happy.

At this point anyone who doesn't know how biased an unreliable engadget reviews are I don't know what to tell you. They're utterly useless. There's a reason Topolsky goes from Android brasher and apple fanboy to nexus s user and android fan with a new site. And it sure as hell ain't gingerbread.
Engadget = Purchased reviews and Apple bias plain and simple.

Guys I really need 8 MP so I can compress the **** out of it and convert to JPEG 640x480 and upload it to Facebook mannnnn.
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Engadget is AOL. Says enough. It has to make profit somehow.

martonikaj said:
Not sure why everyone thinks this. You ever listen to the mobile podcast? Myriam is far from an Apple fangirl. She takes things for what they are and I think she's honest on the pros and cons of the Galaxy Nexus.
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FYI Myriam is a guy... Yeah I know.

I thought it was a very favourable review, hardly grounds to call them apple fan boys.

juicytuna said:
I thought it was a very favourable review, hardly grounds to call them apple fan boys.
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+1
I always think Engadget is ifans.
But this review has nothing wrong with the comments.

rcfcyl said:
FYI Myriam is a guy... Yeah I know.
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So you saying he didnt listen to myriams podcast or does this myriam have a flutey voice?
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If you want the best camera get a iphone4s. If you want cutting edge adroid get the galaxy nexus

I actually liked the review, let's see if Gizmodo even bothers reviewing it. They have Apple's balls on their chins every time a new iPhone comes out, it's so obvious it makes me angry and I don't dislike Apple.

I guess all the trendy techy people have to favor the Apple stuff because that's what sells easy to the masses. I thought the Engadget review was pretty good. Gizmodo are the Apple fanboys, the stuff some of their reviewers write is outrageous...
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[Q] Showing phone off and...

We were comparing my SGN to my friends 2 year old windows phone. He was interested in browser speed and performance so I showed him, then he showed me his, then I got sad. I can hear the jokes starting, lol...
His windows browser was silky smooth, zooming in and out, and even the rotating was great. I read somewhere that Google did that rotaing delay so it won't accidentally rotate while in your pants or something like that. Well I don't want that, I would like that option. And I know for a fact it can rotate instantly and fluently. I say this because if you open stock camera, and rotate it around, the small indicators and gallery preview rotate flawlessly and silky smooth. Is it the ram? Why would a 2 year old device out perform a 1.2 processor these days in browser performance? I'm a little bummed.
And let me not mention that multi task soft button... And info would much be appreciated, thanks...

I guess we would need to know what model of windows mobile phone your friend had to start off.
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spencer88 said:
I guess we would need to know what model of windows mobile phone your friend had to start off.
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Windows Trophy, and I think it released this summer... ?

What's wrong with the multitask soft key? I think it's pretty awesome.
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Ask him if he wants to trade. I can have a guess as to who is getting the better deal
Also, if its an HTC Trophy, it was released May 2011. Hardly a 2-year old phone as you described in OP
I mostly have 2 things to say: 1) By most accounts the SGN has one of the fastest browsers of any mobile device (benchmark wise) and 2) You'd be pleasantly surprised how well WP7 performs on a single core 1ghz processor.
People really need to kick the stigma on WP7. Its not a POS platform. You shouldn't be surprised that it performs like it should.

It has to do with how each OS handles UI rendering and what gets loaded. Go to a site that requires flash and you'll start seeing limitations in WP
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xHausx said:
It has to do with how each OS handles UI rendering and what gets loaded. Go to a site that requires flash and you'll start seeing limitations in WP
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I see your point but thats not the best comparison. Specifically choosing a site that only will load fully on one of the devices doesn't prove that device is better.
Loading a page that both devices can render fully and seeing which one does better (in benchmarks and look/feel) is the best head to head comparison.

rabaker07 said:
What's wrong with the multitask soft key? I think it's pretty awesome.
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It's one of my fave new features, just laggy... But I am running stock. It did release May, still half the ram... But he was amazed by the speedy UI stock and, of course, the screen...

WP 7 is just a faster UI and is more efficient than android in a lot of ways.
Also consider that his phone isn't pushing as many pixels as yours.
Microsoft has really focused on UI speed and touch response in WP 7, and it's pretty obvious when using one of those devices.
Even with ICS, android just doesn't match WP7 in terms of touch response and UI fluidity.
Nothing wrong with your device or his device. They're both great devices for different reasons.
4.03 helps quite a bit with the multi-tasking button lag, though.. so you'll see that improve when you get that update in the next few weeks.

Its been known that Microsoft went all out with windows phone and made the smoothest UI of all time and did extremely low level drivers with qualcom to get such performance out of the snapdragon chip set. Its the most fluid smooth UI I've ever seen. I'm just glad ice cream sandwich moved in that direction finally.

Andrmgic said:
WP 7 is just a faster UI and is more efficient than android in a lot of ways.
Also consider that his phone isn't pushing as many pixels as yours.
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I thought ICS was supposed to have hardware acceleration so the graphics don't burden the CPU ? So, if anything, the nexus should have an advantage over the Windows phone.
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Its been known that Microsoft went all out with windows phone and made the smoothest UI of all time and did extremely low level drivers with qualcom to get such performance out of the snapdragon chip set. Its the most fluid smooth UI I've ever seen. I'm just glad ice cream sandwich moved in that direction finally.
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Well the Windows phones are all single core as well. I would doubt that ICS will ever compete on a single core. Even the hardware on the nexus struggles to run it. I guess in a month or so when the quads and higher clocking phones come out with ICS, we will get to see how they compare. Thats why I ditched my GN's. I just don't think the hardware is enough for ICS. I went back my trusty Atrix 2, slapped an ICS theme on it, and it does everything better than the nexus.

It's really not a fair comparison, looking at one particular aspect. WP7 has only one resolution, much lower than the GNex. All the graphics are simpler, and it can't run all the things in the background.
It's like comparing a hot air balloon to a helicopter, based on how smooth they are.
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T-Keith said:
It's really not a fair comparison, looking at one particular aspect. WP7 has only one resolution, much lower than the GNex. All the graphics are simpler, and it can't run all the things in the background.
It's like comparing a hot air balloon to a helicopter, based on how smooth they are.
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Agree about the simplererer graphics. I am loving the metro theme they uave going. Simple, yet elegant. But nothing beats Android as far as customization and personalization goes...
I tell everyone if two people were to drop their ihones, and I were to pick them up I wouldn't be able to differentiate one by the other because they all look the same, maybe except for the background but you can't even tell since all those static icons are in the way I have no idea where I am going with this so yea....
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I'm still skeptical about the Metro UI. It has a bit too much text for my taste. What happened to the "a picture is worth a thousand words"? The UI is very beautiful though

Who do you think is responsible for gimping the nexus phones?

The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording. It also never had a 32GB variant which didnt make sense since there was no card slot. Isnt google competing with apple?
Okay now the situation is a bit different with the galaxy nexus. It brings forward the sharpest SAMOLED screen to date but it just couldn't do without those shockers.
It turns out its the dimmest SAMOLED screen on any phone, hurrah samsung this is supposed to have the greatest display. It could still be said to have but the brightness seriously puts a dent on it.
5MP camera anyone? And yes MP dont matter that much but the overall quality of the nexus camera just doesnt compare with the S2 and iphone 4S.
720p resolution but weak GPU in a world of android where game optimization is poor? Ya that one puts a nail in the coffin for me.
And then where is the 32GB galaxy nexus? A phone with 1080p recording is only 16GB with no card slot? Really google?
When apple upgraded the GPU for the new ipad, it showed me they plan things with applications as the priority. Google on the other hand slapped a regular chipset for a 720p pentile screen that isnt actually HD but requires the GPU to output a million pixels.
Dont mind me guys I know you are all happy with your phones. I am a nexus S owner looking to upgrade but it seems like I will have to sacrifice software support for my next phone for better hardware and performance.
So then who is to blame? People say samsung and it makes sense in a way. Samsung doesnt own the nexus brand and if samsung makes this killer nexus phone that goes on to be a best seller, google could simply ask some other manufacturer to make the next nexus phone as they are not tied to anyone. So some other company benefits from a brand name that samsung helped establish as a top one.
On the other hand is google really that powerless to not be able to just tell samsung what they want in their phone?? It could very well be the case that google itself doesnt want it's nexus to utterly destroy everything else like the S2 did. Google doesnt want to discourage other manufacturers. There is one big thing which google miss out in all of this, it's nexus phone doesnt dominate the iphone feature wise the way it really should.
So your thoughts?

Gambler_3 said:
The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
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They're not *supposed* to be "destroying the competition". Nexus devices are meant to serve as an example for the direction they want Android to take. That's it.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording. It also never had a 32GB variant which didnt make sense since there was no card slot. Isnt google competing with apple?
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No. Google is not competing with Apple. All they care about is that you (and iPhone users) continue to use google.com. Android serves that purpose. The Nexus serves as a guidepost for Android.
Okay now the situation is a bit different with the galaxy nexus. It brings forward the sharpest SAMOLED screen to date but it just couldn't do without those shockers.
It turns out its the dimmest SAMOLED screen on any phone, hurrah samsung this is supposed to have the greatest display. It could still be said to have but the brightness seriously puts a dent on it.
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Um. Ok.
5MP camera anyone? And yes MP dont matter that much but the overall quality of the nexus camera just doesnt compare with the S2 and iphone 4S.
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That's because Google wanted to emphasize a camera with instant photo capture. The Galaxy Nexus takes worse photos than my Nexus S 4g.
720p resolution but weak GPU in a world of android where game optimization is poor? Ya that one puts a nail in the coffin for me.
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Ok, then get another phone. Easy solution, no?
And then where is the 32GB galaxy nexus? A phone with 1080p recording is only 16GB with no card slot? Really google?
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The 1080p is only at 10mbps...
Either way, having limited space actually serves google's interests once again, as they want you to use Google+ sync for photos, and Google Music to stream music.
MTP so users don't have to bother mounting their phones' storage.
A modest GPU to show how much hardware acceleration can help the experience on even "older" chipsets.
You (and I) don't have to like it. Not at all. But them's the breaks. There are a LOT of other phones with better specs.
When apple upgraded the GPU for the new ipad, it showed me they plan things with applications as the priority. Google on the other hand slapped a regular chipset for a 720p pentile screen that isnt actually HD but requires the GPU to output a million pixels.
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Cool.
Dont mind me guys I know you are all happy with your phones. I am a nexus S owner looking to upgrade but it seems like I will have to sacrifice software support for my next phone for better hardware and performance.
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Yes, yes you will.
So then who is to blame? People say samsung and it makes sense in a way. Samsung doesnt own the nexus brand and if samsung makes this killer nexus phone that goes on to be a best seller, google could simply ask some other manufacturer to make the next nexus phone as they are not tied to anyone. So some other company benefits from a brand name that samsung helped establish as a top one.
On the other hand is google really that powerless to not be able to just tell samsung what they want in their phone?? It could very well be the case that google itself doesnt want it's nexus to utterly destroy everything else like the S2 did. Google doesnt want to discourage other manufacturers. There is one big thing which google miss out in all of this, it's nexus phone doesnt dominate the iphone feature wise the way it really should.
So your thoughts?
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You are to blame for owning a Nexus already, and yet not understanding the point of Google creating Nexus devices.
The Nexus S was no trend-setter either. It was a GalaxyS but without an SD card. Why on earth would Google do that with the Nexus S? Because, again, their goals for the device were to showcase their new Gingerbread theme (which SAMOLED screens do best) and push manufacturers into making more cloud-centric devices (ie no SD card). They wanted a larger screen, and a "sexy" looking device to show that Android can have style.

Google are in the business of making money. The Nexus phone is a consumer device for ORDINARY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. It is NOT a developer phone for geeks!
All this nonsense about Google not caring about the phone competing is absolute complete and utter uninformed nonsense from people who are more than happy to champion poor, over priced, old tech.
Google would do very well to stop advertising the Nexus is it's just for developer geeks, because the adverts i've seen for the Nexus are incredibly similar to the adverts I see for the iphone.
Google dropped the ball on this phone, plain and simple, and only fan boys will argue otherwise.
I will say one thing, thank god for AOKP! The latest AOKP Rom is amazing.

biffsmash said:
Google are in the business of making money. The Nexus phone is a consumer device for ORDINARY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. It is NOT a developer phone for geeks!
All this nonsense about Google not caring about the phone competing is absolute complete and utter uninformed nonsense from people who are more than happy to champion poor, over priced, old tech.
Google would do very well to stop advertising the Nexus is it's just for developer geeks, because the adverts i've seen for the Nexus are incredibly similar to the adverts I see for the iphone.
Google dropped the ball on this phone, plain and simple, and only fan boys will argue otherwise.
I will say one thing, thank god for AOKP! The latest AOKP Rom is amazing.
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Right. Because Google is *REALLY* pushing it hard on all 4 carriers in the US, huh? Really trying to get that market-share for the Nexus.
They still refuse to sell the GSM Galaxy Nexus in the US, some 6 months after release. They've dropped "official" support for the CDMA binaries for the VZW Galaxy Nexus, and have shown no signs of that changing anytime soon.
But yeah, sure, Google really cares a lot if this phone competes with other Android phones. No reason why they should care, since an Android phone is an Android phone.
Riiiight, if you say so.

I said please dont mind what I am saying. I am not here to merely bash this phone but for a reasonable discussion.
I really dont mind the lack of SD card at all thats why I have a nexus S. I also dont really mind heaving inferior video recording, I'll much rather have an LED flash which the galaxy S didnt have.
What I do care about is the still picture camera and gaming performance, 2 areas the nexus S was up with the best for it's time but the galaxy nexus isnt. The nexus S didnt bring in a new screen but it was still the best you could get. It didnt bring in a new chipset but again it was the best you could get(yes shortly bested by the tegra 2) but it was still more than adequate for 800x480.
While the galaxy nexus would have superior screen to my nexus S, it would have inferior sunlight legibility which is an unfortunate compromise that shouldn't be there considering how bright the note is. While it plays all games fine for now you never know when it's time would be up due to how poorly optimized android games can be.
I agree with the above user google dropped the ball on this there is no way to go around it. The galaxy nexus unlocked is now cheaper than the galaxy S2, that shows how it has performed. The nexus S never became cheaper than galaxy S.

Gambler_3 said:
The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording.
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480p recording was an operating system limitation at the time. Vanilla android just didn't support HD recording. People are giving manufacturers boatloads of crap for skins, but the reality remains that they add functionality that the underlaying OS wouldn't otherwise have. My 2010 HTC Desire had HD recording because of Sense, but my Nexus S didn't have because of vanilla android.
The FM radio that is inside both Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? Vanilla android doesn't support it so we don't get to use it. Also I believe skins have added quite a bit of HW acceleration to their devices before the OS itself had it in any meaningful way. Android is quite barebones OS in itself, though now with ICS things are looking much better.

reuthermonkey said:
They're not *supposed* to be "destroying the competition". Nexus devices are meant to serve as an example for the direction they want Android to take. That's it.
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Well said.
From Google:
"...Nexus, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock."
From Engadget:
"Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders."
Again from Google:
"As part of the Nexus brand, Nexus S delivers what we call a “pure Google” experience: unlocked, unfiltered access to the best Google mobile services and the latest and greatest Android releases and updates."
From ZDnet:
"The Galaxy Nexus will be the next Google flagship phone, insuring owners will always get Android updates, and in a timely fashion."
From Gottabemobile:
"The “Pure Google Experience” phone skips all of the bloatware (pre-installed apps that nobody asked for) and custom UIs that manufacturers and carriers commonly tag onto Android phones."
Starting to get the picture of what Nexus is all about? Nexi are Google's flagship phone not Samsung's, not HTC's, not Sony's or anyone else.

Cmmts said:
480p recording was an operating system limitation at the time. Vanilla android just didn't support HD recording. People are giving manufacturers boatloads of crap for skins, but the reality remains that they add functionality that the underlaying OS wouldn't otherwise have. My 2010 HTC Desire had HD recording because of Sense, but my Nexus S didn't have because of vanilla android.
The FM radio that is inside both Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? Vanilla android doesn't support it so we don't get to use it. Also I believe skins have added quite a bit of HW acceleration to their devices before the OS itself had it in any meaningful way. Android is quite barebones OS in itself, though now with ICS things are looking much better.
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What are you talking about? The nexus S still doesnt have HD video recording with ICS.
If it really was an OS limitation you didnt think someone here at xda would have long been able to find a hack??
And GB nexus S is one of the smoothest if not the smoothest single core android phone I have used.

But the nexus is a consumer phone not a dev phone....quote all u want
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What are you talking about? The nexus S still doesnt have HD video recording with ICS.
If it really was an OS limitation you didnt think someone here at xda would have long been able to find a hack??
And GB nexus S is one of the smoothest if not the smoothest single core android phone I have used.
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Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.

So let's see. You (OP) criticizes the GN because you think it has a weak GPU even though you admit it runs all current games fine. If the screen lacks brightness, you know this is configurable. As for the SD card slot, Google finds it is a nuisance because it splits the filesystem in half and you need to juggle where to put stuff.
Most of the camera problems were fixed with firmware 4.0.4 and it is definitely comparable with the GS2 (I own one too so I know).
The GN is a well designed device and comes with the best Android stock experience, not some skinned nonsense.
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As some said, its a base for other devices. Kinda like a minimum requirement for future phone. whatever other device makes, i don't care. I'm happy cuz Android is that powerful and has varieties. of course, i'll be staying with Nexus.

Cmmts said:
Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.
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I'd be inclined to agree, having a Desire for almost 24 months. However, the girlfriends Desire S is also single core and faster, she would never let me take Sense off of it but I dare say it could well have been better.

Here's a discussion where a number of users state that the 720p issue is because of the OS.
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/238837-why-doesnt-nexus-s-record-video-720p-30fps.html

TlDr but I got bits out of it.
The nexus doesn't need a super gpu for 720p rendering the 4460 OMAP has the best HD decoding in the industry. The screen is fine. The camera is sub par in the amount of pixels it can fit in a square but the quality is fine. It does the job. Its a phone ffs.
Honestly all I can say is to read my signature.
Also, this phone was never meant to compete with iOS or other Androids. It was meant to help set an industry standard for the next generation of Android hardware.
Please, can we stop making threads about how the Nexus isn't everything you wanted it to be? There's plenty of other phones you mentioned, so go use em and stop cluttering our General.
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Cmmts said:
Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.
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Galaxy nexus does HD video and nexus S is running the same OS so what does lack of HD has to do with OS?
And I have found the nexus S app drawer to be as smooth as iphone, cant get smoother then that. And home screens are pretty smooth as well without too many widgets. Ofcourse other phones could be just as smooth.
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This thread sucks.
Well said.
From Google:
"...Nexus, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock."
From Engadget:
"Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders."
Again from Google:
"As part of the Nexus brand, Nexus S delivers what we call a “pure Google” experience: unlocked, unfiltered access to the best Google mobile services and the latest and greatest Android releases and updates."
From ZDnet:
"The Galaxy Nexus will be the next Google flagship phone, insuring owners will always get Android updates, and in a timely fashion."
From Gottabemobile:
"The “Pure Google Experience” phone skips all of the bloatware (pre-installed apps that nobody asked for) and custom UIs that manufacturers and carriers commonly tag onto Android phones."
Starting to get the picture of what Nexus is all about? Nexi are Google's flagship phone not Samsung's, not HTC's, not Sony's or anyone else.
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So where does it say that the pure google experience gets hampered if you put the latest tech inside a phone? Seriously what is this ridiculous argument that just because it is dev phone it isnt about hardware.

Cmmts said:
Here's a discussion where a number of users state that the 720p issue is because of the OS.
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/238837-why-doesnt-nexus-s-record-video-720p-30fps.html
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2010 dude this is 2012. Obviously it has nothing to do with OS as nexus S is now running an OS that does support HD video.

Smallsmx3 said:
But the nexus is a consumer phone not a dev phone....quote all u want
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Who said it's a dev phone?
We (and Google, and the entire tech industry) has stated that the phone is a guidepost for Android. It's a reference phone.
Now, it's quite normal for developers to prefer Nexus phones because... well... they're the reference. But no one ever said it wasn't a consumer phone. It's just not going to be the latest and greatest of everything. It's not meant to be - never was.

Which is the question of the thread why the hell cant it be the latest and greatest when the greatest company samsung is making it??
Why should they leave out features that dont need any rocket science to put into? Why cant those who love the reference phone have all the greatest features when the company making it is clearly capable of delivering them?

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Galaxy nexus does HD video and nexus S is running the same OS so what does lack of HD has to do with OS?
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And some phones with ICS support UMS, yet we support MTP. The OS does have to do with it, considering it likely has checks in it, and/or the Nexus S specific overlay LIMITS it to 480p.
The Nexus S has 320mb of usable ram and a single core CPU. Do you expect it to record in 720p like a boss? I know my Droid Incredible had 720p enabled in an update, and it was a joke.

SGS3... What do you think?

Just watched the live unveiling of the Samsung Galaxy S3. What are your thoughts? I'm very impressed!
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not that,not that great
dave2metz said:
Just watched the live unveiling of the Samsung Galaxy S3. What are your thoughts? I'm very impressed!
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That's what happened when you have high expectations of anything... you get disappointed. Personally, I think they could have done a better job. Yea they have some cool new features, but there should have been more. And that siri like voice thing is a fail.. they should have copied that.
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Just watched the live unveiling of the Samsung Galaxy S3. What are your thoughts? I'm very impressed!
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That's what happened when you have high expectations of anything... you get disappointed. Personally, I think they could have done a better job. Yea they have some cool new features, but there should have been more. And that siri like voice thing is a fail.. they should have copied that.

Had no expectations and I'm still disappointed.
I don't need a phone to tell me which of the captured photos is the "best"
one.

I felt certain things can be better but that eye recognition & pop out player was amazing to me (if you can do it with all videos like YouTube, etc.) I'll sell my other SII today...
But I might hold off til they get a 1080p display because I'm not jumping ship for a 720p display

I'm debating whether i should wait for the GS3 to be released and export it, or to buy the galaxy nexus now. It's kinda disappointing that its almost the same screen as the nexus, and the back of it looks like SHI*.

MrKnitty said:
I felt certain things can be better but that eye recognition & pop out player was amazing to me (if you can do it with all videos like YouTube, etc.) I'll sell my other SII today...
But I might hold off til they get a 1080p display because I'm not jumping ship for a 720p display
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On a 4.8in screen, I don't think the eye can determine the difference between 1080p and 720p. The difference is literally microscopic. On a 60inch TV you can for sure tell the difference though.

I was impressed with the eye sleep option, liked the continuous flash that determines the best photo. Like that you can pick up the phone while texting and it automatically calls someone. Also like the quad core processor. It apparently has gotten impressive benchmark scores. The ICS with touchwiz looked pretty good to me, along with the additional toggles as well. All in all I was happy with what they released.

Honestly, it would be my absolute dream phone if only it had two things: a NOTIFICATION LIGHT/LED, and of course AOSP. Fortunately, one of those can be fixed with ongoing development, but BLN just doesn't quite fill the void for me. I miss that notification light. :/ otherwise, I like the curvy simplicity of it, and the dark blue finish rather than flat black is a nice choice!
-the ultimate black dragon-

Chochiwpg said:
On a 4.8in screen, I don't think the eye can determine the difference between 1080p and 720p. The difference is literally microscopic. On a 60inch TV you can for sure tell the difference though.
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Even on a 60 inch screen it is nearly impossible to tell. Its just all part of marketing and wanting to have the "best"
As far as the phone, I am honestly not that impressed, I think the GN is still the better choice, sure it may have nice specs and all, but when it cokes down to it. We need a phone that will have the latest software and this will he no different than the pickle we're in right now. We'll be behind again in about 3 months with next OS. Nexus all the way for me from now on.
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Hmmm... just got an awesome idea to make money of this phone... so I know will love this phone except of course the plastic feeling so I m about to invest in making ceramic or metal back covers... looks like I m finally gonna be rich... mwahahaha
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Chochiwpg said:
On a 4.8in screen, I don't think the eye can determine the difference between 1080p and 720p. The difference is literally microscopic. On a 60inch TV you can for sure tell the difference though.
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I know but you know its coming out and imma be first in line with a 7-11 chili dog

Not impressed..... Going to hold off for the new nexus instead.

Of course, samsung did a great job; however, i think ill just be sticking with my gs2 for now. In the US, it'll most probably get a Qualcomm dual core processor so besides a few improvements from the gs2, its nothing major. but definitely a nice phone!

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I dont feel theres nearly enough improvements to justify upgrading sure would be fun to have something new tho haha

im torn, I like alot of the new feature the phone offers, but the phone looks like a nexus/gs2, nothing drastic like we all hoped for. Kind of like a iphone 4s imo. What do you guys think about the upcoming nexus phone? that might be the game changer, since rumors has it that it will be a upgraded version of the s3.
when does google usually unveil the nexus phones? at their google io thing in june?
just my 2 cents

Disappointed
Overall - disappointing.
Great performance and features - absolutely!. 2100mA battery should = longer usage times (even with 4 faster cores). HD res is great. Improved UI. Some very nifty accessories. 8mp camera is fine as improved software & performance makes the picture - though Carl Zeiss optics would have been great.
4.8 screen getting too big for a phone. Was hoping for an ultra thin bezel hence reducing size.
But pentile matrix? Heavier? Thicker? No quality materials? Old Mali GPU? No LTE? 1Gb RAM? And featureless design? Very, very poor for a flagship phone that's meant to be setting the standard...
Heavier I understand (bigger battery weighs more). But there's HD Super Amoled plus on tab7.7 - why pentile here? Competition has phones 6.9mm thick. HTC, Sony, even Motorla & Huawei have better designs (not to mention Apple) and materials. So it's not as if any of this wasn't achievable.
I have a SGS 1 & 2. The S2 was well ahead of the competition, bar materials and uninspiring design. Was looking forward to a groundbreaking S3 on all fronts. It's very good, but good isn't good enough these days.
Samsung needed to tick more boxes to place this phone undisputably out in front leaving others to catch up & not easily surpass.
In no rush to get one now, and possibly might not. Will wait to see the competition - eg: Sony Ion, HTC, even (lord help me) Apple; or maybe wait for SGS4.

masamichi7 said:
Honestly, it would be my absolute dream phone if only it had two things: a NOTIFICATION LIGHT/LED, and of course AOSP. Fortunately, one of those can be fixed with ongoing development, but BLN just doesn't quite fill the void for me. I miss that notification light. :/ otherwise, I like the curvy simplicity of it, and the dark blue finish rather than flat black is a nice choice!
-the ultimate black dragon-
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The GS3 will have the LED Notification light.

DannyB513 said:
The GS3 will have the LED Notification light.
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The international didnt. Do you know if the US variants have a chance of getting the led?
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