So the battery life absolutely sucks on my One. If I start using it at 8am its dead by 5 pm. And that's just normal usage like surfing the web over WiFi, playing games (candy crush, dots, angry birds space,) maybe watching a few short videos over WiFi and the occasional text message. I have a battery saver app and I can see that it helps but I guess there's only so much it can do,Z so I want to get one of those cases that has an external battery built in. I have a few questions.
1. Does anyone here use one of these? Please give your input.
2. What's the best one? I've done a little research and found that the i-Blason and Mophie ones seem to be most popular. They're both a bit pricey.
3. How do they work? Does the phone just start directly using the external power after you switch it on, or does it just charge the internal battery?
4. Can these things have any kind of adverse effects on the internal battery from odd charging voltage or anything like that?
5. Do they actually extend your battery time as advertised? I'd be happy with getting two full days out of a single charge and some of these things are advertised as extending it by more that 1.5x. It seems like if the external battery is just charging the internal battery it would be a bit less efficient than if it were directly powering the phone. Does that make sense? It just seems like there couldn't possibly be a direct conversion of 2300 mAh from one battery to completely charge another 2300 mAh battery.
I hope that wasn't too confusing. Personally, I can't wait until lithium-sulfur batteries are in all our electronic devices (potentially 4x energy density.) Google it. Sounds promising.
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JGress said:
So the battery life absolutely sucks on my One. If I start using it at 8am its dead by 5 pm. And that's just normal usage like surfing the web over WiFi, playing games (candy crush, dots, angry birds space,) maybe watching a few short videos over WiFi and the occasional text message. I have a battery saver app and I can see that it helps but I guess there's only so much it can do,Z so I want to get one of those cases that has an external battery built in. I have a few questions.
1. Does anyone here use one of these? Please give your input.
2. What's the best one? I've done a little research and found that the i-Blason and Mophie ones seem to be most popular. They're both a bit pricey.
3. How do they work? Does the phone just start directly using the external power after you switch it on, or does it just charge the internal battery?
4. Can these things have any kind of adverse effects on the internal battery from odd charging voltage or anything like that?
5. Do they actually extend your battery time as advertised? I'd be happy with getting two full days out of a single charge and some of these things are advertised as extending it by more that 1.5x. It seems like if the external battery is just charging the internal battery it would be a bit less efficient than if it were directly powering the phone. Does that make sense? It just seems like there couldn't possibly be a direct conversion of 2300 mAh from one battery to completely charge another 2300 mAh battery.
I hope that wasn't too confusing. Personally, I can't wait until lithium-sulfur batteries are in all our electronic devices (potentially 4x energy density.) Google it. Sounds promising.
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1. I don't use these so I can't comment on this.
2. The iBlason and Mophie are the only ones available that I have ever seen. The Mophie being the higher quality (materials not necessarily battery life) of the two but also twice the price.
3. The phone will use the battery cases charge first then once that is drained use the phones internal battery. However if your phone battery isn't fully charged and you plug a charged case into it, it will charge the phone.
4. It's a good question and I'm not 100% sure. If you use it properly it shouldn't cause any major issues. Using it "properly" meaning your phone has full charge when it is paired with case so that the case isn't charging the phone. That being said, the damage is no different than someone constantly charging and discharging their phone in short bursts rather than using it until it's dead (or as close to possible) and then fully charging. The big thing to be aware of is that the damage caused is simply a reduced battery capacity and usually isn't big enough to notice during the life span of the phone (1 to 2 years).
5. Yes they do. Some of the claims may be a little higher than life experience, but nothing drastic. It litterally adds a second battery to your phone, so it IS going to extend the battery life quite noticeably.
One thing though, I have had my HTC One for a month or so now and have kept it stock, occassionally trying custom roms, but always going back. I have consistently been able to get over a full days use with WiFi always on, GPS always off, brightness always on auto, and I have exchange synced and set to push notifications. I am constantly checking email and texting for work as well as browsing the internet and Google Currents. I also have the power saver turned on. A full day use for me being from 8am to around 12am.
I think either something is wrong with your phone, you are playing too many games, or some setting or service is draining your battery. I would post your battery usage here for some to inspect. And it might be a good idea to uninstall the batter saver app, they usually don't make any huge dent on battery life that can't be done without the app, since most rely on a polling service that runs in the background and eat up battery life themselves. Just make sure your sync settings are reasonable (not every 5 minutes), turn off GPS and only turn it on when needed, don't turn on WiFi unless you need it, turn off 4G unless you need it (switch to CDMA only in mobile settings), enable eco mode (power saver that throttles CPU based on usage), and make sure brightness is set to auto or a medium to dim setting.
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Mostly right. I'll toss out though that cases have different current outputs-- the mophie cases will output at a high enough rate to cause a phone to register as being on AC. the i-Blason case charges at about a third of that rate, meaning that it'll trickle charge your phone/reduce power consumption rate, but it won't outright charge unless you're not using it.
JGress said:
So the battery life absolutely sucks on my One. If I start using it at 8am its dead by 5 pm. And that's just normal usage like surfing the web over WiFi, playing games (candy crush, dots, angry birds space,) maybe watching a few short videos over WiFi and the occasional text message. I have a battery saver app and I can see that it helps but I guess there's only so much it can do,Z so I want to get one of those cases that has an external battery built in. I have a few questions.
1. Does anyone here use one of these? Please give your input.
2. What's the best one? I've done a little research and found that the i-Blason and Mophie ones seem to be most popular. They're both a bit pricey.
3. How do they work? Does the phone just start directly using the external power after you switch it on, or does it just charge the internal battery?
4. Can these things have any kind of adverse effects on the internal battery from odd charging voltage or anything like that?
5. Do they actually extend your battery time as advertised? I'd be happy with getting two full days out of a single charge and some of these things are advertised as extending it by more that 1.5x. It seems like if the external battery is just charging the internal battery it would be a bit less efficient than if it were directly powering the phone. Does that make sense? It just seems like there couldn't possibly be a direct conversion of 2300 mAh from one battery to completely charge another 2300 mAh battery.
I hope that wasn't too confusing. Personally, I can't wait until lithium-sulfur batteries are in all our electronic devices (potentially 4x energy density.) Google it. Sounds promising.
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1. I've used one for about 2 days. I returned it. It works well and the Mophie definitely feels of high quality and feels great in hand. However it makes the sleek device very big and bulky.
2. I would recommend the Mophie purchased at your local corporate carrier store, reason being is that usually your carrier will offer a 1 yr warranty on a premium case like this. However if you break or it shows ridiculous wear and tear they wont. I cannot comment on I-Blason's warranty. Although I think the Mophie is perhaps more expensive. Some carrier offer discounts based on employer's of the account owner. So that might help get the case cheaper.
3. See comment below
4. Usually since they're molded directly to fit your device, most manufacturer's will accommodate the OEM's requirements. But the Mophie charges as fast as it would if you had plugged it into an AC charger.
5. This question is a bit more confusing for me to answer. All I can say is that if they advertise a 100% charge then that means they're matching the mAh capacity of the device. (Ex. phone model has a 2000mAh battery internal and the case advertises 100%, then that means the external battery is also rated at 2000mAh.) So in reality if you're expecting a complete 100% charge while your device is still on, then no, you may get from 1% up to 70-90% depending on how much you're using it while its charging.
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3. The phone will use the battery cases charge first then once that is drained use the phones internal battery. However if your phone battery isn't fully charged and you plug a charged case into it, it will charge the phone.
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This is not entirely true. Because the Mophie has an on/off switch. So if the case is set to off, it'll use the internal battery first, then you need to switch the battery case to on to begin charging the internal battery. It is entirely possible to use the phone till it completely shuts down when it run out of juice and the Mophie have a full charge.
It uses the same charger as the phone itself so the case never has to come off, however even if the switch is set to off it'll charge both items at the same time.
adamjamess said:
1. I've used one for about 2 days. I returned it. It works well and the Mophie definitely feels of high quality and feels great in hand. However it makes the sleek device very big and bulky.
2. I would recommend the Mophie purchased at your local corporate carrier store, reason being is that usually your carrier will offer a 1 yr warranty on a premium case like this. However if you break or it shows ridiculous wear and tear they wont. I cannot comment on I-Blason's warranty. Although I think the Mophie is perhaps more expensive. Some carrier offer discounts based on employer's of the account owner. So that might help get the case cheaper.
3. See comment below
4. Usually since they're molded directly to fit your device, most manufacturer's will accommodate the OEM's requirements. But the Mophie charges as fast as it would if you had plugged it into an AC charger.
5. This question is a bit more confusing for me to answer. All I can say is that if they advertise a 100% charge then that means they're matching the mAh capacity of the device. (Ex. phone model has a 2000mAh battery internal and the case advertises 100%, then that means the external battery is also rated at 2000mAh.) So in reality if you're expecting a complete 100% charge while your device is still on, then no, you may get from 1% up to 70-90% depending on how much you're using it while its charging.
This is not entirely true. Because the Mophie has an on/off switch. So if the case is set to off, it'll use the internal battery first, then you need to switch the battery case to on to begin charging the internal battery. It is entirely possible to use the phone till it completely shuts down when it run out of juice and the Mophie have a full charge.
It uses the same charger as the phone itself so the case never has to come off, however even if the switch is set to off it'll charge both items at the same time.
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I was not aware they had an on off switch, that would change the way the phone handles the device and give you a bit of flexability in how you use it, which is good.
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adamjamess said:
This is not entirely true. Because the Mophie has an on/off switch. So if the case is set to off, it'll use the internal battery first, then you need to switch the battery case to on to begin charging the internal battery. It is entirely possible to use the phone till it completely shuts down when it run out of juice and the Mophie have a full charge.
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I wonder if it would use the case battery first if you turned it on when both are 100% charged. Everywhere I've read, people seem to use them to charge the phone after the battery gets low. It would be great if the phone would just draw power from the case until it dies and flip over to the phone battery. I feel like that would keep the phone battery more healthy by avoiding inconsistent charging. If you're constantly killing the phone battery and using the case to recharge to less than 100%, then killing it again... it just seems like that would be bad for the battery.
Thanks everyone for the input! Keep it coming!
JGress said:
I wonder if it would use the case battery first if you turned it on when both are 100% charged. Everywhere I've read, people seem to use them to charge the phone after the battery gets low. It would be great if the phone would just draw power from the case until it dies and flip over to the phone battery. I feel like that would keep the phone battery more healthy by avoiding inconsistent charging. If you're constantly killing the phone battery and using the case to recharge to less than 100%, then killing it again... it just seems like that would be bad for the battery.
Thanks everyone for the input! Keep it coming!
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Good question. My thoughts would be that the phone would only draw enough to keep topped off. So I guess if the switch is left to the on position the whole time you would get the desired effect of draining the external pack first. But I would guess that doing that would reduce the efficiency of the case somehow.
In the end whether your constantly killing and charging your battery no matter to 90% or 100% with the case or A.C. charger, doing it more often will kill your battery either way. Given lithium ion batteries are way more forgiving than the old cadmium based ones that built up a memory of sorts.
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To keep the battery healthy in a phone, make sure you charge to 100% each time. You don't need to fully drain battery, it's actually healthier to go from 50% to 100% than 1% to 100%.
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pewpewbangbang said:
To keep the battery healthy in a phone, make sure you charge to 100% each time. You don't need to fully drain battery, it's actually healthier to go from 50% to 100% than 1% to 100%.
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So if my phone only gets down to about 40% each night before I plug it in to charge all night I'm ok? In the back of my head I'm always wondering if I need to drain it all the way sometime.
Philmize said:
So if my phone only gets down to about 40% each night before I plug it in to charge all night I'm ok? In the back of my head I'm always wondering if I need to drain it all the way sometime.
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You are fine, it's better to not drain the battery all the time. It lasts longer if there's charge left. You just have to make sure your fully charging to 100% and not charging only to 70% or something like that. This is how lithium batteries work in all devices, laptops etc...
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And either way you wouldn't notice the loss in capacity until you at least 2-3 years out.
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So I've been thinking about this a lot over the past few days and I have something else i want to throw out there...
If you have your phone plugged in to a charger while at full charge, you can use it all you want and it will never go below %100. Does this mean that it's completely drawing power from the charger, or is it still drawing power from the battery, which is just constantly being topped off? Because I know I can completely remove the battery from my laptop and as long as it's plugged in to the charger, it will continue to function just fine.
If the phone is drawing 100% power from the charger, doesn't that mean that it would do the same for one of these battery extender cases?
Like I said before, I think that would be a lot more efficient that just using the case to recharge your phone's battery after it gets low. This way you sort of cut out the middle man.
BTW... I found that there was a weather app that I think was constantly trying to access my location even though I have location services turned off. I now get a good 10 hours of battery life with moderate usage. Still want a battery extender case. 2 full days would be awesome.
HTC battery life DOES suck compared what it can do because you are not going to buy a phone like this if you wont chat/text/call/email/play games alot. Mine lasts 10-15hours (usualy 2.5-3hours screen time and NEVER more than 3) and thats annoyng because its ok if im just ordinary home-work-home rezime but if i need to go out of the city for lets day 2-3 days - im screwed and allways must think about charging.
I have overlooked everything nothing wrong with the phone - the battery is just too small.
i keep wifi ,gps and bt off if i dont need them but my phone ofcourse syncs everything (thats the point of a smartphone - to be connected!) and i play often also.
JGress said:
So I've been thinking about this a lot over the past few days and I have something else i want to throw out there...
If you have your phone plugged in to a charger while at full charge, you can use it all you want and it will never go below %100. Does this mean that it's completely drawing power from the charger, or is it still drawing power from the battery, which is just constantly being topped off? Because I know I can completely remove the battery from my laptop and as long as it's plugged in to the charger, it will continue to function just fine.
If the phone is drawing 100% power from the charger, doesn't that mean that it would do the same for one of these battery extender cases?
Like I said before, I think that would be a lot more efficient that just using the case to recharge your phone's battery after it gets low. This way you sort of cut out the middle man.
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Nope its being topped off, phones are all about maximizing space in the phone, it would require more wiring for the motherboard to be able to draw power directly from the micro usb port as well as the battery. For example, my Samsung phones can be plugged in but if I take the battery out the phone turns off.
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I got this one - all day w/o charging w very heavy usage. Traveling w/o signal - 2-3 days no charge. Makes the phone bigger and you can't see the gorgeousness of the phone, but it protects it all around and it lets those 4 cores and crazy display to do its job w/o dying on you fast.
This guy sells them for $20. Have seen them in other sites for $70-130. Same exact model.
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e1140...&exe=10013&ext=100025&sojTags=exe=exe,ext=ext
InterFace86 said:
HTC battery life DOES suck compared what it can do because you are not going to buy a phone like this if you wont chat/text/call/email/play games alot. Mine lasts 10-15hours (usualy 2.5-3hours screen time and NEVER more than 3) and thats annoyng because its ok if im just ordinary home-work-home rezime but if i need to go out of the city for lets day 2-3 days - im screwed and allways must think about charging.
I have overlooked everything nothing wrong with the phone - the battery is just too small.
i keep wifi ,gps and bt off if i dont need them but my phone ofcourse syncs everything (thats the point of a smartphone - to be connected!) and i play often also.
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You just don't know how to manage wakelocks. Do some reading. Mine lasts almost 2 days with 5 hours screen on time.
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1. I have the i-Blason black.
As a Case
Pros: Great volume controls, Black matches the black HTC One and the black earbud plug, kickstand, central USB plug.
Cons: Thick, Gets Warn when plugged in
3. There's a button that turns charging from the case on or off. Phone will be like it's externally charging.
4. The i-Blason is a lower current charging, so there's a warning that pops up. I think it's not harmful.
5. Extends, yes. But >1 day, no. Well, if you're not using the phone, yes, > 1day. What I do is I let it charge the phone when I'm not near a usb plug and it gets < 80%, then i let it trickle back to 100% in about an hour. It automatically stops charging the phone at 100%.
Learn how to manage your phone guys. Track down the offenders instead of buying these battery packs and other nonsense.
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?????? Believe it or not ??????
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Lmao thats like a whole day of charging.
raolemo said:
Lmao thats like a whole day of charging.
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Hahaha ....
Funny..
Why not hole night ....????
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Its like you are calibrating your battery again and again... I hav evn seen a thread a same like this for my psp years ago and it worked on it... Still to test on my phone
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I can't find any logical reason to explain how this method will work. I'm a chemist student, and I know the technology which used in our battery. as far as I know, charge our battery longer than its full time will decrease our battery life.
btw, it may sounds silly. after some years, we'll found that our battery power decreased. it will drain quicker than usual. if this happen, we may wrap our battery into a plastic bag then put it into freezer for 3-7 days.
I don't think bump charging is such a good idea. Bump charging kills your battery over time. I'll link an article later about it, soon as I find it.
Tapatalked.
kurotsugi said:
...as far as I know, charge our battery longer than its full time will decrease our battery life. ...
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Silvane said:
I don't think bump charging is such a good idea. Bump charging kills your battery over time. I'll link an article later about it, soon as I find it.
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charge more than necessary is a bad idea. if you have good phone, they have overcharge protection circuit that cut charge current. so charge over 100% only waste your time and electric bill. if you have bad phone, that make your battery overcharge, and that's very2 bad. bump charge maybe can fooling protection circuit, but that's make your battery overcharge.
here is my tips, it will double your battery capacities.
- charge your battery until 100%
- unplug your charger, turn off phone if still on
- go to your local store, and buy new battery
- swap your battery and charge your new battery
ok, that's a joke. but it's a good idea if you far from electric for few days. and if you use your phone for years, buy extra battery after 6 month to 1 year after your phone release is a good idea (if you have extra money of course) because it's cheaper (a lot of supply in market).
Here's the article. http://byrong.com/PowerTesting/
It's pretty long so I'll post the important points here.
Interestingly enough, improvements in battery management technology have compounded the average user’s perception of this problem. Older phones were rather inelegant in their charging behavior; usually filling the battery to capacity and then switching to a trickle current to maintain the highest charge possible. This offered the highest usage time in the short-term, but was damaging the battery over the course of ownership. As explained at Battery University, “The time at which the battery stays at [maximum charge] should be as short as possible. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.”[1]
This is why many new phones will “lose” up to 10% within a few minutes of coming off the charger. The reality is that the battery was only at 100% capacity for a brief moment, after which the battery management system allowed it to slowly dip down to around 90%. Leaving the phone plugged in overnight does not make a difference: the phone only uses the wall current to maintain a partial charge state.
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Bump It. Or Should You?
One technique that has gained popularity in the user community is "bump charging." To bump charge a device, turn it off completely, and plug it into a charger. Wait until the indicator light shows a full charge (on the ADR6300, for example, the charging LED changes from amber to green) but do not yet turn the device back on. Instead, disconnect and immediately reconnect the power cord. The device will now accept more charge before saying it is full. This disconnect/reconnect process can be repeated multiple times, each time squeezing just a little bit more into the battery. Does it work?
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The answer, of course, is that bump charging definitely works.
So what does it all mean?
If you absolutely need the highest capacity on a device like this, you will need to bump charge. There are currently people experimenting with "fixes" for this, but I have yet to see one that works. Be warned, however, that repeated bump charging will wear your battery faster and begin to reduce its capacity. If you are a "power user" who will buy a new battery a few months from now anyway, this presumably isn't a concern. If you are an average consumer who uses a device for a few years, I would recommend that you stay away from bump charging. The bottom line is that you don't really "need" to do it unless you are actually depleting your battery to 0% on a regular basis.
If you are someone who can top off your phone on a regular basis, do it. Plug it in when you're at home. Plug it in when you're at your desk. As explained by Battery University, "Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory."[2]
Beyond that, the best advice I can offer is to stop paying such close attention to your battery gauge and to just use your phone. Charge it whenever you can, and then stop obsessing over the exact numbers. If you really need more usage time, buy an extended-capacity battery and use it normally.
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Still pretty long, but worth reading.
I don't believe it:''(
Hehehe..:-[:-[:-[
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irfanbagus said:
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charge more than necessary is a bad idea. if you have good phone, they have overcharge protection circuit that cut charge current. so charge over 100% only waste your time and electric bill. if you have bad phone, that make your battery overcharge, and that's very2 bad. bump charge maybe can fooling protection circuit, but that's make your battery overcharge.
here is my tips, it will double your battery capacities.
- charge your battery until 100%
- unplug your charger, turn off phone if still on
- go to your local store, and buy new battery
- swap your battery and charge your new battery
ok, that's a joke. but it's a good idea if you far from electric for few days. and if you use your phone for years, buy extra battery after 6 month to 1 year after your phone release is a good idea (if you have extra money of course) because it's cheaper (a lot of supply in market).
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+1 its all just wast our time and decrease the battery life. i think use a tweak script is enough
reyvababtista said:
+1 its all just wast our time and decrease the battery life. i think use a tweak script is enough
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Agree with u :-\:-\
Ive read through XDA that bump charging increases your battery life but reduces the battery's life span
Welcome back stamatis. Yes, if you read my post in the first page it explains how.
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How to smart charge the Galaxy Note 2 battery
The way you charge your device is very important and it can affect your battery life a lot. Charging it wrong will make it drain quickly and the battery will also last less, requiring a replacement after 1-2 years of use.
To smart charge the Galaxy Note 2, you have to only plug it in when the battery is below the 10% level and never unplug it until it is 100% charged.
You should also know that when your battery reaches 10%, it will last longer than usual. To understand better, it will drain much slower from 10% to 0% than from 20% to 10%. So don’t panic if your battery level is low, because it can hold for a very long time, especially in standby mode.
Never use low quality chargers, because they can damage your battery hand even the device. Only use original Galaxy Note 2 chargers and try not to use the USB cable for charging your device. Always charge it in the wall socket, because the USB port power fluctuates and can damage the battery. Also it will charge much slower.
Battery maintenance
Usually the battery is the first smartphone component that dies, having a lower lifecycle. Though you can prevent this by taking care of it.
The best way to prevent it from getting damaged is to avoid pulling it from its socket. The battery has some golden pins that can scratch or get dusty, so if you pull it out and back in multiple times you can damage the pins.
In order to help the battery work the way it should, always make sure to clean the pins with a soft cloth whenever you pull it out. This way you will keep dust away from them.
When buying a new Galaxy Note 2 battery, make sure to get an original one, as other might have a lower battery life and can have a shorter lifecycle.
Increase Galaxy Note battery life by disabling features
The Samsung Galaxy Note 2 N7100 comes with tons as features, like we just said at the beginning. But nearly all of them are big battery eaters and you need to be careful when activating them.
The CPU and display drain a lot of battery, so make sure to setup the display to turn off faster. Also don’t keep it turned on when you don’t need it.
3G and 4G are the biggest battery drainers on a smartphone. You should only keep the 3G or 4G network activated when you use the internet actively. If you really need a permanent internet connection, then go for 2G, though this eats your battery too. The best way is to only connect to the internet when you need it.
Do not keep the WiFi,Bluetooth and GPS activated when you don’t use them. They can drain your battery very fast even in idle mode, so make sure to disable them when you don’t need them anymore.
Live wallpapers are also big battery drainers. They consume a lot of CPU and RAM resources and also use your display more intensively. So you should never choose a live wallpaper. The most battery-friendly wallpaper is a dark one, which doesn’t use any CPU resources and also doesn’t requires the display to be very bright.
You also have to take care what apps you install and always look at Settings > battery to see who drains the most battery. There are some apps than run continuously and prevent your device from getting into “Deep Sleep.” This is the standby mode that helps the device conserve very much energy. If an app prevents it from getting into this mode, you will notice a very low battery life.
Please let us know if you found other ways to increase the Galaxy Note 2 battery life. We are also curious for how long did you manage to get your device running between charges.
wow thanks mate quite a good one!
Thanks!
Also you should add that if you always need to be connected to internet then its better to keep connected through WiFi as it consumes less energy than using EDGE or 3G.
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Thanks it's useful
What?
No.
1. Deep charge cycles on a lithium battery accelerate the failure of the battery.
2. The device can determine the type of source it's plugged into, computer usb ports are safe.
3. Non branded chargers are safe if they are quality made. You just need to stick with quality and 2 amp/ short cables for decent charge times.
Sorry man, but those 3 things you listed are some pretty big misinformation that can easily be verified.
There's nothing "smart" about doing a deep discharge if your trying to preserve a 10 dollar battery.
After installing the new rom..I charge my battery full..then remove battery stats then drain full to zero for cycle.after complete ..I use smart charge method..that is .when my cell battery below to 10 something like 9 or 8 then I connect charger .and really it helps me alot
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Smart charge method is kinda usefull
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What?
No.
1. Deep charge cycles on a lithium battery accelerate the failure of the battery.
2. The device can determine the type of source it's plugged into, computer usb ports are safe.
3. Non branded chargers are safe if they are quality made. You just need to stick with quality and 2 amp/ short cables for decent charge times.
Sorry man, but those 3 things you listed are some pretty big misinformation that can easily be verified.
There's nothing "smart" about doing a deep discharge if your trying to preserve a 10 dollar battery.
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Deep charge cycles are for avoid "memory effect" and It apply to old Ni-Cd / Ni-MH batteries. Don't apply for modern Li-Ion battery. There is much more chance that the deep drain affect negatively the battery of a GN2.
Li-Ion battery keep better performance if never going less than 50%. But the difference will be barely noticeable.
Personally, after several tests on my own, I don't bother anymore with that (I mean for the modern Li-Ion type). Sometime you have a great battery, sometime a crappy one from a bad batch. I have seen battery died fast after "by the book" charges cycles. And others seem to last forever, no matter how bad I maintained her (like my 2006's laptop).
Anyway, thanks for sharing, even if you are wrong on this one
I don't know if you're wrong or right because when you search the net about battery charging, you find everything and it's opposite. But I disagree on three points:
- The battery is beefy and you really have to work hard to make it last less than a day
- I bought this incredible phone because of it's features. If I have to cut half of them to avoid drain, why did I buy it?
- I dare say that most of the people who buy a Note 2 somewhere are a bit "Tech-Nuts". If you're not, I am, so I don't mind if my battery doesn't last two years because I'm not sure that I will still have this phone all that long.
And if I do and the battery is dead, I'll buy a new, genuine, Sammy one to continue.
What's it worth to live 100 years if you can't have a drink from time to time, maybe have a smoke or whatever? Plug your phone in or out and use your GNote 2 happy
Lol everything has its cost turn off everything to save battery what is fun in that I have a smartphone to use it and be happy with animations and display and games otherwise get a 3310 it is best
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I bought a brand new ZeroLemon case for my Nexus 5. I've never owned a battery charging case like this before. Which method of charging my phone from the case would be the most efficient? Turning on the case when it reaches 50% or leave it always on to leave at 100%?
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Beauenheim said:
I bought a brand new ZeroLemon case for my Nexus 5. I've never owned a battery charging case like this before. Which method of charging my phone from the case would be the most efficient? Turning on the case when it reaches 50% or leave it always on to leave at 100%?
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Turn it on when you put your phone to sleep and turn it off when you actually use your phone. That way, you will slow down the aging process on the internal battery and it will also reduce throttling. Gaming and charging at same time will certainly result reduced maximum frequencies even more than usual since the case will also emit some heat. And keep it off if your phone's battery is above 85%-90%. Don't let it trickle charge and keep your phone to 100% the whole day.
You should keep in mind that these are loose guidelines, not rules that you should abide in every circumstance. If you forget about them it's no biggie. After all, you bought that case to improve your quality of life.
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Turn it on when you put your phone to sleep and turn it off when you actually use your phone. That way, you will slow down the aging process on the internal battery and it will also reduce throttling. Gaming and charging at same time will certainly result reduced maximum frequencies even more than usual since the case will also emit some heat. And keep it off if your phone's battery is above 85%-90%. Don't let it trickle charge and keep your phone to 100% the whole day.
You should keep in mind that these are loose guidelines, not rules that you should abide in every circumstance. If you forget about them it's no biggie. After all, you bought that case to improve your quality of life.
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Alright. I turned it on at 50% and was planning to let it charge up to about 90 before I shut it off.
So far it's almost there. Pretty quick. Thanks for the input, never used one of these before.
I am curious as to how is everyone's battery life been? I pulled my phone off the charger at 7:05 am and currently sitting at 73% at 9:06am.
is the screenshot for on screen time missing?
Is it me or is there no setting to automatically turn on battery saver mode when the device gets down to a certain percentage?? [emoji848]
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Strangely....the battery drained faster than it charged for me. Of course, that's an exaggeration, but Quick Charge on this phone isn't as fast as other phones.
I can say that using it while charging DEFINITELY affected the charging speed more than my last phone. It does not charge quickly while charging AT ALL.
AarSyl said:
Strangely....the battery drained faster than it charged for me. Of course, that's an exaggeration, but Quick Charge on this phone isn't as fast as other phones.
I can say that using it while charging DEFINITELY affected the charging speed more than my last phone. It does not charge quickly while charging AT ALL.
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Using it while charging will destroy your battery anyways. Not a good idea
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Using it while charging will destroy your battery anyways. Not a good idea
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I change phones too often to care.
my battery life has been pretty good considering the specs.
4 hrs of SOT easy. more like 5.5 some days.
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Using it while charging will destroy your battery anyways. Not a good idea
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Using your phone while it's charging does not destroy your battery. It may not charge as fast because you're obviously draining it at the same time, but it's perfectly fine to use the phone.
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Using your phone while it's charging does not destroy your battery. It may not charge as fast because you're obviously draining it at the same time, but it's perfectly fine to use the phone.
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charging and discharging at the same time causes heat, which does destroy the battery, unless you have a unit with something like oneplus dash charging that heats up at the wall instead of at the battery
WaxysDargle said:
charging and discharging at the same time causes heat, which does destroy the battery, unless you have a unit with something like oneplus dash charging that heats up at the wall instead of at the battery
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It's a MYTH. Do a simple Google Search. And if it did destroy the battery, we'd definitely be hearing of a battery shortage simply from everyone driving around using their phones for GPS while plugged in.
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It's a MYTH. Do a simple Google Search. And if it did destroy the battery, we'd definitely be hearing of a battery shortage simply from everyone driving around using their phones for GPS while plugged in.
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hmmm my search turned up mixed results. some people think it'll make your battery explode, and that has been debunked. it is still debated (from what i can see) if doing heavy tasks (like gaming) while charging will degrade battery.
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hmmm my search turned up mixed results. some people think it'll make your battery explode, and that has been debunked. it is still debated (from what i can see) if doing heavy tasks (like gaming) while charging will degrade battery.
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Your battery simply starts to degrade once you start draining and recharging. There's a difference between degrade and destroy. If it really destroyed our batteries, phone companies and cell phone carriers would be telling everyone to absolutely 100% do not use your phone while charging. That's just silly. How many times do you walk through an airport and see people sitting on the ground by an outlet, so they can charge and use their phone? Same with laptops. The batteries in cell phones now are so much better than they were before.
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Your battery simply starts to degrade once you start draining and recharging. There's a difference between degrade and destroy. If it really destroyed our batteries, phone companies and cell phone carriers would be telling everyone to absolutely 100% do not use your phone while charging. That's just silly. How many times do you walk through an airport and see people sitting on the ground by an outlet, so they can charge and use their phone? Same with laptops. The batteries in cell phones now are so much better than they were before.
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i'm with you on that. it appears to me that heavy discharging while charging could accelerate degradation. that's what is in question in my mind.
Not bad! [emoji851]
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Didn't want to make a new thread, but whenever we get a new phone are we suppose to full discharge it and then full charge it when we first use it?
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Didn't want to make a new thread, but whenever we get a new phone are we suppose to full discharge it and then full charge it when we first use it?
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That's an old "wise tale". I do it on every phone whether it is needed or not though. I actually do it twice. I take it to around 10% and back up to 100. I still fully charge it before I even use it. May be a waste, but for some reason, it gives me a certain "pleasure".
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Using your phone while it's charging does not destroy your battery. It may not charge as fast because you're obviously draining it at the same time, but it's perfectly fine to use the phone.
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I was going to redpond to his post as well. Using phone while charging in fact does nothing to the battery. That has been a long time myth disproven long time ago. You are correct, it does not harm the battery
taotechad said:
I was going to redpond to his post as well. Using phone while charging in fact does nothing to the battery. That has been a long time myth disproven long time ago. You are correct, it does not harm the battery
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Excessive heat destroys batteries. Charging creates heat. Using it while charging creates excessive heat.
Don't believe it and keep doing it if you want. Doesn't screw up anyones battery but yours so who cares
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Excessive heat destroys batteries. Charging creates heat. Using it while charging creates excessive heat.
Don't believe it and keep doing it if you want. Doesn't screw up anyones battery but yours so who cares
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Dont have any heat issues, let alone excessive heat issues at any time!! Maybe dont use cheap crappy chargers. This myth has long been disproven. But go ahead and believe the fake news
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Your battery simply starts to degrade once you start draining and recharging. There's a difference between degrade and destroy. If it really destroyed our batteries, phone companies and cell phone carriers would be telling everyone to absolutely 100% do not use your phone while charging. That's just silly. How many times do you walk through an airport and see people sitting on the ground by an outlet, so they can charge and use their phone? Same with laptops. The batteries in cell phones now are so much better than they were before.
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Hmmmm. We discuss 2 separate things here.
May you still use your phone when charging
Of course you may
Will it be charging as fast when its on and being used in contrast to being blocked?
Of course it will be charging very much slower
Those people in airports may either have very much cooler CPUs in their phones like MTKs, Snaps 660 or Apple A9s. They don't produce as much heat as SD820 or SD845 so shey can still keep battery cool and let it get charging., or they put their phones aside and let them get battery charged fast because its not charging as fast when being used. Like G7.
Using G7, especially gaming or watching Youtube on mobile cell produce too much heat and battery gets warm fast. So to prevent Note 7 style overheating and explosions both Samsung and LG makes speed of charging lowest in that case. Even that was stated by Samsung's advertisements when Galaxy S8 was introduced. You may search for them on Youtube. LG does the same, it become charging with 0.5A like form USB 2.0 port, lowest possible speed. It prevents battery from heating to avoid degrading and explosion. Turn screen off, put phone aside for half an hour and let it suck up juice
Hello everybody.
I just want to share with you guys what I found out.
I've been using custom ROMs and custom kernels for LG V30, and I faced a lot of issues. The most common issue is overheating, especially on charging or using mobile data.
I use Anker's adapter that supports Quick Charge 3.0, and an Anker USB-C to USB-3.0 cable. I use Ampere app to see how the battery is charge.
On custom ROMs, the ampere number (mA) changes every few seconds, jumps up and down with big gap, and the phone gets very hot.
On stock ROM (US99820H) in my case, mA number is very stable. It increases or decreases slowly and doesn't jump up and down. On plugging in, min and max mA are equal. The phone is just a little bit hotter than before plugging in.
So I just wanted to share my own experience with you guys. If you want you phone to last long, use Stock ROMs, disable bloatwares and useless system apps.
I'm going to purchase the battery and change it myself for better battery life. I wanted to change to another phone but for now, this is the best phone for music.
Please discuss if you disagree with me or have a solution for custom ROMs.
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Hello everybody.
I just want to share with you guys what I found out.
I've been using custom ROMs and custom kernels for LG V30, and I faced a lot of issues. The most common issue is overheating, especially on charging or using mobile data.
I use Anker's adapter that supports Quick Charge 3.0, and an Anker USB-C to USB-3.0 cable. I use Ampere app to see how the battery is charge.
On custom ROMs, the ampere number (mA) changes every few seconds, jumps up and down with big gap, and the phone gets very hot.
On stock ROM (US99820H) in my case, mA number is very stable. It increases or decreases slowly and doesn't jump up and down. On plugging in, min and max mA are equal. The phone is just a little bit hotter than before plugging in.
So I just wanted to share my own experience with you guys. If you want you phone to last long, use Stock ROMs, disable bloatwares and useless system apps.
I'm going to purchase the battery and change it myself for better battery life. I wanted to change to another phone but for now, this is the best phone for music.
Please discuss if you disagree with me or have a solution for custom ROMs.
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I also felt the same...Though the charging speed on custom roms is higher...in terms of stability of current, Stock Rom is the best.
minhntp said:
Hello everybody.
I just want to share with you guys what I found out.
I've been using custom ROMs and custom kernels for LG V30, and I faced a lot of issues. The most common issue is overheating, especially on charging or using mobile data.
I use Anker's adapter that supports Quick Charge 3.0, and an Anker USB-C to USB-3.0 cable. I use Ampere app to see how the battery is charge.
On custom ROMs, the ampere number (mA) changes every few seconds, jumps up and down with big gap, and the phone gets very hot.
On stock ROM (US99820H) in my case, mA number is very stable. It increases or decreases slowly and doesn't jump up and down. On plugging in, min and max mA are equal. The phone is just a little bit hotter than before plugging in.
So I just wanted to share my own experience with you guys. If you want you phone to last long, use Stock ROMs, disable bloatwares and useless system apps.
I'm going to purchase the battery and change it myself for better battery life. I wanted to change to another phone but for now, this is the best phone for music.
Please discuss if you disagree with me or have a solution for custom ROMs.
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In terms of stability, I have different results, when I charge using a custom rom the phone tends to stay cool, but when I used the stock rom the phone got a lot hotter then before charging.
Custom ROMs may not be utilizing QC properly. QC 2.0 has few discrete voltage/current steps, while QC 3.0 has many (200mA increments iirc) designed to strike a balance between charging speed and heat. Maybe it's getting stuck in QC 2.0 mode and the temperature feedback isn't working properly?
You could just use a non-fast-charging wireless charger, if you're only charging up at night. 5v/~1A is pretty much harmless, it's just on the slow side of things.
fyi, battery capacity (as tracked by the charging controller driver, I guess) is stored at sys/class/power_supply/bms/charge_full; it defaults to design capacity until a full charge cycle has been completed* and then I suppose is revised each time the driver tracks less energy has been stored after a complete charge. Cycle count, cell resistance and a couple other things are also stored here. I think all values are persistent until the battery is physically disconnected.
Might be worth doing a full discharge+charge (to 100%, then let it sit for a few hours to saturate) to see if your battery is worn enough to warrant pulling the phone apart. Accubattery does seem to be more or less accurate, so you charge while it's on you can get a real-time idea of how much has gone in.
* a full charge might be from 1% to 100%. It might be from 5% to 100%. Who knows! I've charged from 2% to 100% a couple times and not had cycle_count increase.
Also, if you do go shopping, beware of undersized batteries. I bought an "OE spec" battery a while ago that was obviously thinner and lighter than the original; it weighed some 12.5% less and only took a 3000mah charge, more or less lining up with the reduced weight. The seller was "tele*cell", and I very much doubt they're the only ones pulling this crap. Record the contents of power_supply/bms if they're important to you, too, as they zero out upon battery disconnect.
edit: hmm, thinking about it...bms = Battery Management System? (not this one specifically, of course)
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Also, if you do go shopping, beware of undersized batteries. I bought an "OE spec" battery a while ago that was obviously thinner and lighter than the original; it weighed some 12.5% less and only took a 3000mah charge, more or less lining up with the reduced weight. The seller was "tele*cell", and I very much doubt they're the only ones pulling this crap. Record the contents of power_supply/bms if they're important to you, too, as they zero out upon battery disconnect.
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It is possible that you bought a smaller battery - but you should know that the capacity of Li** batteries increases within the first couple of cycles. Also usually the nominal capacity might be different from the real (typical) capacity. So you would need to meassure a.new original battery against your replacement battery (not take the value LG tells us for.granted)
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It is possible that you bought a smaller battery - but you should know that the capacity of Li** batteries increases within the first couple of cycles. Also usually the nominal capacity might be different from the real (typical) capacity. So you would need to meassure a.new original battery against your replacement battery (not take the value LG tells us for.granted)
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Li-po capacity hasn't really gone anywhere in a while, and I wouldn't expect cheap eBay batteries to be using the newest and best chemistry. It was definitely undersize/weight; I attached some pictures.
Because I wanted to be absolutely sure before I called the seller on it, I purposefully ran it four full cycles, then built up another two during normal use. The best capacity that the BMS ever rated it for was 2980mah, while Accubattery put in something like...3060mah once with subsequent charges in the 2900-3000 range.
While I get what you're saying, I find it unlikely that the BMS would set to the expected design capacity if they were using undersize batteries from the factory.
The reason being that at a guess, the battery "fuel gauge" is probably based on capacity_full, which = capacity_full_design until set. With a new phone that isn't charged to 100% (thus setting capacity_full), if using the phone down to 1% you'd risk either a) the phone suddenly shutting down at ~10% or b) overdischarge damage if the battery is actually less than the phone's design capacity.
Kind of a corner case though, I'll admit, since this would only be on the first run.
Last, I submit my own OEM battery for consideration: prior to taking it out, it had accumulated 537 cycles and had a recorded capacity of 2485mah. That's about what I'd expect from a 3300mah battery that was almost certainly used "normally" e.g. discharged daily, charged nightly and left on the tap at full charge for hours on end.
Like you said, though, the only way to know for sure would be testing a new OEM battery, and we've been fresh out of those for a year and a half now. Maybe someone could nab one from one of their newer models and test for science? I already have too many spare lipo cells laying around.
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Custom ROMs may not be utilizing QC properly. QC 2.0 has few discrete voltage/current steps, while QC 3.0 has many (200mA increments iirc) designed to strike a balance between charging speed and heat. Maybe it's getting stuck in QC 2.0 mode and the temperature feedback isn't working properly?
You could just use a non-fast-charging wireless charger, if you're only charging up at night. 5v/~1A is pretty much harmless, it's just on the slow side of things.
fyi, battery capacity (as tracked by the charging controller driver, I guess) is stored at sys/class/power_supply/bms/charge_full; it defaults to design capacity until a full charge cycle has been completed* and then I suppose is revised each time the driver tracks less energy has been stored after a complete charge. Cycle count, cell resistance and a couple other things are also stored here. I think all values are persistent until the battery is physically disconnected.
Might be worth doing a full discharge+charge (to 100%, then let it sit for a few hours to saturate) to see if your battery is worn enough to warrant pulling the phone apart. Accubattery does seem to be more or less accurate, so you charge while it's on you can get a real-time idea of how much has gone in.
* a full charge might be from 1% to 100%. It might be from 5% to 100%. Who knows! I've charged from 2% to 100% a couple times and not had cycle_count increase.
Also, if you do go shopping, beware of undersized batteries. I bought an "OE spec" battery a while ago that was obviously thinner and lighter than the original; it weighed some 12.5% less and only took a 3000mah charge, more or less lining up with the reduced weight. The seller was "tele*cell", and I very much doubt they're the only ones pulling this crap. Record the contents of power_supply/bms if they're important to you, too, as they zero out upon battery disconnect.
edit: hmm, thinking about it...bms = Battery Management System? (not this one specifically, of course)
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Do you have sleep problem after changing the battery? After changing the battery, my phone doesn't go to sleep when the screen is off, so the battery just keeps draining. I'm using stock ROM. I don't know if this is a software of hardware issue.
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Do you have sleep problem after changing the battery? After changing the battery, my phone doesn't go to sleep when the screen is off, so the battery just keeps draining. I'm using stock ROM. I don't know if this is a software of hardware issue.
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The only thing notable that happened was the battery stats getting wiped. Otherwise the phone behaved normally.
Try getting BetterBatteryStats, second post has the newest apk attached (2.3 iirc).
Start it up to get it established, Set Custom Ref. from the menu, shut the screen off for...ehh...20min.
Turn it back on, select Custom in the left drop-down menu and Current in the right drop-down menu.
Check Kernel Wakelocks and Partial Wakelocks using the top drop-down menu to see if anything sticks out.
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Li-po capacity hasn't really gone anywhere in a while, and I wouldn't expect cheap eBay batteries to be using the newest and best chemistry. It was definitely undersize/weight; I attached some pictures.
Because I wanted to be absolutely sure before I called the seller on it, I purposefully ran it four full cycles, then built up another two during normal use. The best capacity that the BMS ever rated it for was 2980mah, while Accubattery put in something like...3060mah once with subsequent charges in the 2900-3000 range.
While I get what you're saying, I find it unlikely that the BMS would set to the expected design capacity if they were using undersize batteries from the factory.
The reason being that at a guess, the battery "fuel gauge" is probably based on capacity_full, which = capacity_full_design until set. With a new phone that isn't charged to 100% (thus setting capacity_full), if using the phone down to 1% you'd risk either a) the phone suddenly shutting down at ~10% or b) overdischarge damage if the battery is actually less than the phone's design capacity.
Kind of a corner case though, I'll admit, since this would only be on the first run.
Last, I submit my own OEM battery for consideration: prior to taking it out, it had accumulated 537 cycles and had a recorded capacity of 2485mah. That's about what I'd expect from a 3300mah battery that was almost certainly used "normally" e.g. discharged daily, charged nightly and left on the tap at full charge for hours on end.
Like you said, though, the only way to know for sure would be testing a new OEM battery, and we've been fresh out of those for a year and a half now. Maybe someone could nab one from one of their newer models and test for science? I already have too many spare lipo cells laying around.
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What is the full capacity when you put those 2 battery in?
I just bought a battery. This new one has 6 symbols each line (like the one you bought) and 2 lines of manufactured date. The old (original) one has 5 symbols each line and also 2 lines of manufatured date.
When I check "charge_full" after full charging, it shows 3312000 for the original battery and 3230000 for the new one, while the "charge_full_design" being 3312000 for both battery.
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What is the full capacity when you put those 2 battery in?
I just bought a battery. This new one has 6 symbols each line (like the one you bought) and 2 lines of manufactured date. The old (original) one has 5 symbols each line and also 2 lines of manufatured date.
When I check "charge_full" after full charging, it shows 3312000 for the original battery and 3230000 for the new one, while the "charge_full_design" being 3312000 for both battery.
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All three batteries I've had showed the same 3312000 charge_full_design. But I'm not sure if this is relevant to us, aside from as a reference to compare to.
Out of curiosity and so I don't purposely give outright bad information, I went and looked at the kernel (up on github courtesy of lunar-kernels).
3300mah design capacity is set when the kernel is built (BLT34 battery profile, which is grabbed by the power manager).
I'm not sure where the number "3312000" specifically is coming from. I can't read the source for the BMS well enough to tell why it's coming up with that number, aside from it's a calculated result based on more than just the design capacity.
Based on the above and other behavior, I don't think any permanent information is stored with or retrieved from the battery itself; design parameters are set in the BLT34 profile and then the BMS amends certain things as it takes measurements. It assumes that whatever attached battery is actually 3300/3312mah until proven otherwise (calibrated with sufficient cycling).
Said measurements are stored ~somewhere~ outside of the ROM, recovery and download mode - mine persisted through the LAFsploit process and TWRP on both partitions - and cleared when power is lost. Maybe they're stored in RAM somewhere? Maybe the BMS notices the discontinuity in power and assumes a battery change, resetting everything? I'll try making sense of the kernel source to see...
The labeling difference is curious, and something I hadn't really given thought to. The newer ones have NOM and NYCE marks, which are Mexican safety approval things. It's interesting that the originals don't have them; maybe because LG doesn't make phones for the Mexican market and thus saw no need? I doubt these third-party manufacturers have gone out of their way to actually obtain said approval...probably just stuck them there to satisfy customs.
I bought a battery from another seller and installed it this weekend; it uses the 12-symbol style as well, has date+date code like the original (dated a rather shiny 2019.09.08!), and weighs the expected 48g/has an OE-style "stepped" back making it thicker.
Seems to charge fully and otherwise work as expected. charge_full still = charge_full_design, I'm not sure if this is because the BMS has determined that it's an OEM-capacity battery, or it hasn't cycled sufficiently to update. Gonna keep an eye on it. Pictures attached.
Edit: battery listing on ebay. Note if anyone else buys it: the suction cup that came with mine was 100% useless. Plan accordingly.
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A further note on the smaller battery I bought: it did perform admirably. It had no issues when using the phone as a power supply (~2.5A sustained output), right down to where I stopped it at 5%, which is rather abusive for cells in this form-factor. It was just...well...smaller. It certainly wasn't a bad battery at all, it was just misrepresented. Lighter/slightly-smaller batteries would make great travel batteries, if the V30 were swap-friendly...
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@Septfox
I hope you bought a good one.
The battery I bought lasts long, but also takes long to charge (about 2 hours). The phone shows fast-charging but when I check battery log in Hidden menu, it shows only Quick charge 2.0.
I found a way to reset the battery information, hopefully sellers don't use this to reset the cycle count.
There's a thread on xda that shows a method to reset battery information on HTC phones. That is holding down 2 volume buttons + power button (volume down + power for LG V30) in 2 minutes while the phone is being charged, let the phone restart as many times it takes in 2 minutes. And then charge the phone to full.
I did that and when I check in Hidden menu, the battery information was resetted to 3312000 full capacity and 0 cycle count.
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The battery I bought lasts long, but also takes long to charge (about 2 hours). The phone shows fast-charging but when I check battery log in Hidden menu, it shows only Quick charge 2.0.
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QC 3.0 wouldn't outright increase the speed any; it exists to help reduce heat and provide more consistent charging.
If it makes you feel any better, mine is also getting stuck on QC 2.0. Judging by the way the Parallel Charging status flickers on and off as I move the cable and put pressure on the connector, I could probably stand to get a new charging port...
This is why wireless charging is a good idea. But now that I think about it, replacement boards are cheap on ebay ($5), so replacing it each time the battery is changed might be a good bit of cheap maintenance to do :good:
Have you tried a different cable and/or charger to see if your charging improves? Maybe you need a new port, too.
minhntp said:
I found a way to reset the battery information, hopefully sellers don't use this to reset the cycle count.
There's a thread on xda that shows a method to reset battery information on HTC phones. That is holding down 2 volume buttons + power button (volume down + power for LG V30) in 2 minutes while the phone is being charged, let the phone restart as many times it takes in 2 minutes. And then charge the phone to full.
I did that and when I check in Hidden menu, the battery information was resetted to 3312000 full capacity and 0 cycle count.
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I find this slightly alarming, actually...
The normal button combination to hard-reset the phone is power+vol down. This might just be what's happening, and by making the phone do it repeatedly, the firmware might be interpreting it as a bootloop condition caused by something in memory and completely disconnecting power in an attempt to mitigate it (clearing the battery stats in the process). Probably harmless though.
Dunno that a seller would bother trying it, though. What do they get out of it, other than a seemingly-new battery with less capacity than it should have? It would just recalibrate when charged and show the real capacity in the hidden menu, and the game would be up :v
Septfox said:
QC 3.0 wouldn't outright increase the speed any; it exists to help reduce heat and provide more consistent charging.
If it makes you feel any better, mine is also getting stuck on QC 2.0
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All V30 always show QuickCharge 2.0 in Nougat as well as Oreo. Not sure about Pie.
Speculation was it was a script error, that it was really 3.0 -- but falsely shows 2.0.
Can't remember if it was ever proven one way or the other.
I do remember people say it now charges slower on Pie. Again speculative because LG knows batteries are older?
I'm still on rooted Oreo, so I don't care.
ChazzMatt said:
I do remember people say it now charges slower on Pie. Again speculative because LG knows batteries are older?
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I don't notice my phone charging any different. Even when using wired.
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ChazzMatt said:
All V30 always show QuickCharge 2.0 in Nougat as well as Oreo. Not sure about Pie.
Speculation was it was a script error, that it was really 3.0 -- but falsely shows 2.0.
Can't remember if it was ever proven one way or the other.
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I read "the display may not be correct, so you should totally use this as an excuse to get a newer charger-doctor that supports QC".
...and you're completely right, I'm gonna go do that :v
ChazzMatt said:
I do remember people say it now charges slower on Pie. Again speculative because LG knows batteries are older?
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Or to mitigate further aging by reducing internal heat. I also remember seeing somewhere that it was limited to 12w or 13w, now that you mention it, though that might have been for 15w wireless which has a reputation for slow-cooking the battery (in any phone, not just the V30).