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Hey why don't we have one???
I recently found someone on this site that got a Jam from me. I would rather give the great XDA-Developers.com members a chance before trying to sell it on eBay.
I totally agree!
Me too. I've had a lot of help from this site, and have recommended it to friends who also have found it very useful. I posted this a couple of days ago:
"I know that this is not a selling forum, but I've had a lot of help over quite a long time from this site so would like to help out fellow members if I can. If this is not acceptable to the moderators I'm sorry, but here goes:
I've got an XDA2 that has been dropped. The screen is fine, but it's permanently locked into "Calendar" mode and cycles through all the calendar views and options. In all other ways it is in very good condition. It receives and makes calls, and all the functions are available, but I can't always turn it off. It's boxed and complete with cradle, charger, earphones, case, software, manuals, etc., and I'm sure that someone with a bit more time than me could make use of it. It's not stolen, or from any other dubious source - I've upgraded and just don't have the time at the moment - I wish I did, but that's the way it goes".
I think that the whole XDA-developers community could benefit if, for instance, the seller donated, let's say, 10% of the agreed selling price to the site. I think that's fair and gives XDA-developer members the chance to benefit rather than the auction sites. I looked at eBay in order to sell the item I've mentioned above, and I'm new to Ebay, but it looks over-complicated for what I want to do with an item that I know is faulty.
There may be other issues that might make things difficult, but if people are honest in their descriptions I don't see a big problem. Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware - if you're not happy about something, don't do it.
I think there's room for discussion on this matter.
Am I the only one who is bloody damn tired of opening a thread that appears on the first page of a forum, thinking it is new, only to find that it is six, eight, ten months old?
Wouldn't it be reasonable to have a column in the forum listings that indicates the original posting date of each thread, so that just because someone posted to a five-year old thread, which bumped it to the first bloody page of the forum, we don't have to waste time reading old news?
Ideally, old threads would just fade away to page two, then three, then four, etc. until they ride off into the sunset. What sense does it make for them to take center stage six months after their birth, just because some noob comes along and posts a "downloading now" to LVSW's WM 6 v. 0.1?
Ah, that felt good. Thanks for letting me vent. That means I won't have to stalk the dark, foggy streets around the port of Miami looking for another victim.
Ben
I mostly agree with you Ben. I look at the number of replys and views to try to determine how old a thread is. Then comes the bouncing from page to page to find the posts I haven't seen yet.
I'll admit that I'm new to XDA, so maybe there's a way of only showing the unread threads and/or posts? Then again, sometimes the older posts jog my memory about what is being discussed.
Guess with such an active message board, these sorts of issues come up. Anyone have tips they'd like to share on dealing with it?
Gavin
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At the risk of becoming one of your victims on a dark and foggy night -
The approach you suggest sounds like the AT&T forum one where threads get closed when they reach a certain age. This is not the approach here. In fact we actively encourage members NOT to start new threads if an old one exists. Who wants new threads on the same thing springing up all over the place (though it seems to happen anyway!). It is a pain when searching if numerous threads turn up on the same subject - and of course there may be good info in each one but not all in the same one.
I would only make one or two exceptions to the "search and use an existing thread" rule and that might be where a thread has become dozens of pages long or has become spoiled in some way or other
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Michael, it's an honor to have a reply from you. I always enjoy your posts.
And no, you will not become one of my victims around the foggy port of Miami. Aberdeen, perhaps Actually, it is rarely foggy in Miami. Come on over and enjoy the nice weather, friend.
I take your point. However, what about the idea of a column showing the original posting date? Or, could that date somehow be made to show up in the balloon when one places the cursor over the thread's title?
I wasn't really suggesting closing out a thread, Michael. Just letting them drift to the back of the line, perhaps. But even that is not necessary. Let them come to the front page when someone posts to them, that's just dandy. But let us know that they are a week old, or a year old.
Cheers for your contributions to the fora, Michael.
By the by, PLEASE do not accuse me of proposing something that emulates the AT&T forum! Ugh. That will bring out the Mr. Hyde in me. I had a terrible experience there with the appropriately named Mod Moose over a year ago and have not been back sinece
@gavink, thank you for your reply, too. This issue is a pet peeve of mine. It doesn't seem to bother many members, though, so it looks like we will have to live with it. A very old thread can have many, many posts, or very few, by the way, so that's no help.
Regards,
Ben
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In the threads list, the thread will be highlighted in dark blue if there are new posts and to the left of the thread title is a grey box with an arrow that takes you to the first unread (by you) post.
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Thanks for the tips, Mike... Didn't know what that box was for!
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Normally I have to pay large sums of money for that sort of thing
Miami I know is fabulous - not that I've been there. Weather is undoubtedly better than here - althoughwe do like our Scots mist now and again, provided we get a decent summer.
I can suggest this to site Admin. I agree that some threads eg early threads speculating about the price of the Tilt/Kaiser are pretty usless now. Presumably though these threads just die naturally. If a thread has new posts, why does it matter what date the original post was? Just curious about this 'cos quite often I refer people to threads I and others made over a year ago - if the answers were good then, most often they still are - don't you think?
Hah! I too have fallen foul of Mod Moose. I did go back though (not often). There was a time when the mere mention of XDA on the AT&T forum was seen as something worthy of cruel and un-natural punishment.
Possessing a "pet peeve" is a breach of forum rules. In accordance with the new policy on stronger Moderation you are ordered to be a happy, contented person. Mind altering drugs are available via download from the FTP - should they be required.
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Hello, again, Mike:
As always, your replies are cogent and witty. Large sums, indeed. Please, let it be in US $, not Euros, eh? Be kind.
Well, yes, Miami is pretty fabulous. If you ever get over here, please let me know ahead of time, and we will open our house to you.
OK, I am not requesting any threads be deleted, or even re-ordered. If it were possible, all I would like to see is the date of the original posting. This would help us to avoid wasting time reopening a thread we saw six months ago. For those of my generation, who cannot remember what we did ten minutes ago, this would be very helpful.
Making the original date of the first post available just seems to make sense to my time- and whisky-addled brain. Not to be able to see the date is like publishing an old news article and hiding the date.
From the traffic on this thread, or, more accurately, paucity thereof, I guess it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, so I am going to go pour myself a wee drap of the Glenlivet now and then forget about the whole damn thing. (You see, like you, Mike, I too like the Scots "mist")
But before I sign off, forgive me the breach of forum rules. With the cup of Glenlivet, I shan't be needing any other mind-altering drugs, however.
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A wee drap o' whisky I tak' when I'm weary
My blood for to warm and my spirits to cheer
And when I sit doon I intend to be merry
So fill up a bumper and bring it round here.
(First verse of a traditional Scots song)
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One last observation that has absolutely nothing to do with nothing. Your country's flag, (displayed in your personal information at the top of your e-mails, is practically identical to the U.S. and British Navy signal flag "M." And "M" when spoken in those Navy's, and the international phonetic alphabet, is "Mike."
You have a right to be doubly proud when you see your flag, Mike.
Cheers, brother Michael!
Ben
Mike, I think we have lost the rest of the "crowd" that were already not looking at this thread. Ah, well.
The history and pictures of the whisky mills were an absolute treat. It's amazing how rustic they seem (the sheds, that is)! Thanks for sending those. I will put them into my archive. I really would like to see them in person some day. Made it to London once, but that was a long time ago, and it's not Scotland, where some of my ancestors came from (along with some from Eire.)
I've not run across Macallan. Now I have a mission to find it.
That last picture is a gem. Give me the guy's contact information. From the looks of things, I don't suppose he has an e-mail, eh? I would buy a case of his brew without thinking twice, ha, ha!
As to the "Mike" flag, just Google "Navy Signal Flags." You are in for a treat when you see Scotland's proud flag identified as "Mike. Here is a table that shows both the flags and their phonetic names:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/sfpa.htm
Regards,
Ben
Thank you, Michael. Nothing should be done if there is a cost in money or time. Clearly, not many people are very worked up about about the issue.
Kind regards
Ben
You've a good sense of humor, Mike. Uh, is the photo typical of how the Scots bring up their wee ones? No wonder they are such a feisty bunch
Cheers
Ben
Well, well, well. Methinks you have to much time on your hands, Mike. Of course, here's Ben answering you, so who am I to talk?
Check out my new avatar. I was going to use this when I joined the forum, but never got around to it. The website photo you sent me was too much to resist.
In spite of my age, as revealed now by my mugshot, I still have a bit of "bong" left. I have been feeling less "feisty" the past few months, however. Reading the article you sent, now I understand. Big Ben had lost its "bong."
Not sure those workers scurrying around the face of my, uh, inspiration are going to do much for me, though. Perhaps if one of them were "bonnie Jean" from "the streets of Aiberdeen...."
Ben
(There go my chances of getting my "original post date" request implemented by our dear Webmistress, eh?)
Please see the full thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735830
But this sums up where this project is at:
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ok guys.. some bad news.. Talked with Matt2 on a business level and after i went over some figures with him, my calculations were so far off.. i should be on mars..
The break even point for this project is 275+/- 10/12 extras.
I have been saying 150 and I am not sure where I got that unless I was not calculating the shipping since I did free shipping.
We are at 129 at the time of writing this.
So here is my question, I have always said, I will refund if we stop this without it being made. We had over 350+ that wanted this.
My initial thought was to spend the several hours tonight to just cancel/refund.. but then I figured we came this far. I also go on vacation Sept 10-18.
So what I propose, today is the 11th of August. Lets give it till the 25th of August. 2 Weeks... If we are not even close, then I will spend the next 2 days refunding..
So listen.. if anyone out there wants this.. buy it now.. or it will not get made.. To all of those that did buy.. sorry its taking so long, your money is safe. I am not out to steal anything, I just want the door to be made.
Thanks
Joe
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Thats crazy man but just like your saying, i actually am one of the dudes who said he was going to order one and i havent been on XDA in awhile, sorry i didnt see the thread but ill put an order in for one now. Best of luck, i hope we make it.
I'm sure though that if you made 275 you wouldn't have any problem at all selling them, both on here and on ebay. I'm surprised you have as many preorders as you do, considering you don't have a product to ship.
I just ordered mine. Can't wait to see it!
sketchy sketchy
yea dont forget about all the people not on xda or the other forums your doing this on. if you get close enough where you can afford to invest a little, do it and sell the rest after they are made.
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STFU! GET OFF THE BOARDS!
go back in the hairy little hole you crawled out of.
Joey has been upfront with all of us following this project from the start. He is human like the rest of us. first time he has done something like this and im sure he now knows to "measure twice cut once" always check the numbers and check them again to be sure... so we will wait it out and see what happens not a big deal!
We didnt even know if it was going to make production after the first couple days because so many VOTED YES TO THE PROJECT AND THEN DISAPPEARED when it came time to pony up for the pre-order. If people would have kept their word about ordering they would be in production already!
Joey....how many people actually place an order of the 359 that originally voted yes?
Would raising the price of each one by a couple of bucks per door get them to the target without needing more preorders?
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STFU! GET OFF THE BOARDS!
go back in the hairy little hole you crawled out of.
Joey has been upfront with all of us following this project from the start. He is human like the rest of us. first time he has done something like this and im sure he now knows to "measure twice cut once" always check the numbers and check them again to be sure... so we will wait it out and see what happens not a big deal!
We didnt even know if it was going to make production after the first couple days because so many VOTED YES TO THE PROJECT AND THEN DISAPPEARED when it came time to pony up for the pre-order. If people would have kept their word about ordering they would be in production already!
Joey....how many people actually place an order of the 359 that originally voted yes?
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I am not sure of the numbers. I dont mind investing my own $ into it.. But I am just trying to get alot closer to that break even point.. If I sell more after, thats great but tbh, I am doing this as a community buy... not trying to get rich (not that I think that is even possible)
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Would raising the price of each one by a couple of bucks per door get them to the target without needing more preorders?
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Or not giving us the multiple discount id give the 2$ back if need be...
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Or not giving us the multiple discount id give the 2$ back if need be...
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no, either of those would help but still not enough. thanks for the offer though
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Or not giving us the multiple discount id give the 2$ back if need be...
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Yeah, I would love to have these, even if it does mean I sacrifice 2$
Joey, if you don't mind disclosing, how much money down you need to get these produced?
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Yeah, I would love to have these, even if it does mean I sacrifice 2$
Joey, if you don't mind disclosing, how much money down you need to get these produced?
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14.99 * 275 = X
115 sold * 14.99 = Y
X-Y = what is left
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14.99 * 275 = X
115 sold * 14.99 = Y
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So is "X" literally "Breaking Even" for you guys?
sprink0281 said:
STFU! GET OFF THE BOARDS!
go back in the hairy little hole you crawled out of.
Joey has been upfront with all of us following this project from the start. He is human like the rest of us. first time he has done something like this and im sure he now knows to "measure twice cut once" always check the numbers and check them again to be sure... so we will wait it out and see what happens not a big deal!
We didnt even know if it was going to make production after the first couple days because so many VOTED YES TO THE PROJECT AND THEN DISAPPEARED when it came time to pony up for the pre-order. If people would have kept their word about ordering they would be in production already!
Joey....how many people actually place an order of the 359 that originally voted yes?
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whoa there man, little crazy of a response dont you think. i am entitled to my opinion that this is sketchy. if you dont agree fine, but personal unprovoked attack is a bit much dont you think?
If you would have followed for the past month + you would see this is not sketchy.. I have kept everyone updated the entire time... And how can a complete refund be sketchy?
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whoa there man, little crazy of a response dont you think. i am entitled to my opinion that this is sketchy. if you dont agree fine, but personal unprovoked attack is a bit much dont you think?
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Calling someone sketchy is a personal attack.... joey has been upfront with us every step of the way...I only gave you some of your own medicine. That's all nothing more..
It aggravating when you watch someone work their ass off for the community on a project and have half of the people disappear who were supposed to order, then have you call this guy sketchy when hes done nothing but try to make us happy by seeing this project through any way he can... nobody else even came close to a comment like yours.
I followed the thread, saw all the updates, saw members commit money with delay after delay. I understand **** takes time but every post was "here is a final prototype but yours wont look like this" point is, promising something, taking peoples money, then GOING ON VACATION to wait it out IS sketchy whether you can admit it on not. You seem to have a serious personal stake in this or with the op but from an outside perspective it IS sketchy. If the op falls through and refunds everyones money then fine, that doesn't mean the situation was any less sketchy.
You say it wasn't sketchy because he kept everyone up to date, guess what, so do Nigerien scammers. Him keeping everyone updated is not a fool proof reassurance.
Sorry bro. Been holding out until I could see the finished product. Went ahead and ordered because I really want one. Thanks for the time an effort. Will tell my buddies with evos.
If you don't want one, don't send him money and leave the thread. I don't see how hard that is. And it's not that hard to get money back through paypal.
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I followed the thread, saw all the updates, saw members commit money with delay after delay. I understand **** takes time but every post was "here is a final prototype but yours wont look like this" point is, promising something, taking peoples money, then GOING ON VACATION to wait it out IS sketchy whether you can admit it on not. You seem to have a serious personal stake in this or with the op but from an outside perspective it IS sketchy. If the op falls through and refunds everyones money then fine, that doesn't mean the situation was any less sketchy.
You say it wasn't sketchy because he kept everyone up to date, guess what, so do Nigerien scammers. Him keeping everyone updated is not a fool proof reassurance.
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This will be my last reply to you...
This was not a person that had one post and decided to start asking for peoples money..before this went to pre-order he told us of his VACATION and possible delivery dates. I have been involved with community generated projects in the past and they all involved a pre-order because these types of projects are not cheap to get started and not done to make an initial profit, they are to help get something made the community wants and doesn't exist, once the community is taken care of then you try to make money from the project by exploring different ways to market said item at a significantly higher price. He is not a prince from Nigeria sending unsolicited emails trying to get my bank info so that comparison was completely stupid AND HE IS USING PAYPAL! Wait did I mention PAYPAL! Nobody had to western union him cash or transfer cash into his account, so we feel very confident because at the end of the day if this doesn't get to production we WILL ALL GET OUR MONEY BACK BECAUSE HE USED PAYPAL! Easy for him to refund our money and has buyer protection. My personal stake in this -- I want a unique clear and colored battery door for my evo, made in the USA sold in the USA by someone in the community who actually followed thru! Joey took a poll to see how many people would buy one and it was more than enough for this project to move forward! It is not his fault that some people are not doing their part of the project and pre-ordering to get these to production.
Like I said this is my last response to you regarding this thread...you are officially on my ignore list.
No more blurry cam, thank God!!
... Also, YouTube officially confirmed here!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/youtube-functionality-confirmed-partially-demoed-on-windows-phone-7/
Damn he answers a ton of questions. It's not scripted like all the others, and you can tell he's being honest.
He didn't actually show the device, but still its a great video. His choice of words "Completely Customizable" for the start screen surprised me, as its really not.
The piece about the 20 month ago reset was interesting, and explains a lot.
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Damn he answers a ton of questions. It's not scripted like all the others, and you can tell he's being honest.
He didn't actually show the device, but still its a great video. His choice of words "Completely Customizable" for the start screen surprised me, as its really not.
The piece about the 20 month ago reset was interesting, and explains a lot.
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what other reviews have you seen/heard seem scripted?
All of the ones at the tech shows. Especially the ones where the reviewer couldn't even touch the devices. They all avoided certain questions.
I've seen a ton of very unscripted interviews. A lot of them just say "no comment" when they get questions they can't answer. At TechEd North America this sort of stuff was very common. This guy didn't get to touch the device (at least not on camera). While I think this is a good video, it's really not much different than previous stuff, ignoring the previously unshown device of course.
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All of the ones at the tech shows. Especially the ones where the reviewer couldn't even touch the devices. They all avoided certain questions.
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You should look up pocketnows latest WinPhone reviews then.
Brandon is the man!
If anyone wants some hi-res still images of the phone you can find them at flickr. com /photos/lockergnome/sets/72157624643571441/ (Remove spaces since I can't post links)
Here you go
Found a new picture of Asus WP7 phone (at least for me) on Wired w*w*w.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2010/10/phone7_test.jpg
I'd like to know more information about this phone!, so far the nicest looking.
Well, I got my Redmi Note 5 Global (model #: M1803E7SH) just a couple of hours ago and was shocked that there was no manual or documentation for it, not even online! WTF? Never heard of this before. Packaging looked cheap, and after updating the OS I've already encountered a bug - when I run the Compass program in Tools it superimposes the camera viewfinder over the compass, even obscures it unless I tilt the phone in landscape mode then the compass shows on screen. Nothing major but first impressions can mean a lot. Where can I get documentation for the M1803E7SH? Or does Xiaomi expect us to just know everything intuitively? I'm getting my Red Pocket SIM within the next couple of days and I hope not to discover anymore surprises. A slightly disappointing start.
It's $200 phone what did you expect? If you want manual for your phone you can buy a low spec phone that is worst for the higher price. Then you will get noob friendly manuals and tutorials maybe even a CD LOL!
Important and to late for you since you updated the rom read this thread: -
Everything About Anti Roll-back [Whyred]
Also read some more threads on these forums or the Xiaomi Reddit Wiki.
And maybe the official forums (filled with one line stupid posts).
And for user manual have not download it myself, it maybe just the slip of paper that came in the box.
To corkiejp:
"anti-rollback" sounds ominous, like I hit some terrible point of no return when I updated. Thanks, I'll read the topic(s). I find the phone fast and snappy so at least there's that. Maybe even faster than my Asus ZenPad, which had terrible battery management. Fingerprint lock scanner works perfectly. I half-expected to get locked out of my own phone on the first day due to major malfunction. or gargantuan bug. lol.
Yeah, I don't think there's a manual for this... anywhere. Your link points to a "Coming Soon!" place holder. I'll just have to read a bunch of online sources. Pathetic that we the users have to write the documentation for Xiaomi for one of their own products.
To that smart-ass posting above you: for $200, it's madness not to expect at least some kind of manual or Quick Start guide. Don't know where he gets his logic from that for $200 you shouldn't expect a manual :silly:
ETA: Also wanted to add an example of why there should be a manual for this. I can just imagine all the poor bastards that chased their tails for hours wondering why they couldn't get the procedure for registering a Fingerprint Lock working. It's just not particularly intuitive that you have to press the damn thing TWELVE times and wiggle your finger to get it to work. Easily the most poorly documented device I have ever purchased. Sh*t, even my cheap chinese $5 digital meat thermometer had a detailed manual in the box, on paper no less. But my $200 smart phone doesn't. Go figure.
RN5 is a smartphone, it was main for smart people.
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"RN5 is a smartphone, it was main for smart people."
Not-so-smart answer though. I already cited an example of why we would could use a manual, but I guess you missed that, chief.
Lmao, people will cry over everything these days. Its a freaking android device, like any other. You get a little paper explaining hardware and buttons, and its written clearly: Press and hold power button to turn on the device, then follow on screen instructions. Thats why there is a startup guide when you use the phone for first time. Everythings explained more than simple. If you cant follow that, maybe smartphone is not for you. And i congratulate xiaomi for not wasting paper on this matter. Your rant about fingerprint is also absurd, everything is explained very clearly on screen instructions. Jeez, talk about being dramatic
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To corkiejp:
"anti-rollback" sounds ominous, like I hit some terrible point of no return when I updated. Thanks, I'll read the topic(s). I find the phone fast and snappy so at least there's that. Maybe even faster than my Asus ZenPad, which had terrible battery management. Fingerprint lock scanner works perfectly. I half-expected to get locked out of my own phone on the first day due to major malfunction. or gargantuan bug. lol.
Yeah, I don't think there's a manual for this... anywhere. Your link points to a "Coming Soon!" place holder. I'll just have to read a bunch of online sources. Pathetic that we the users have to write the documentation for Xiaomi for one of their own products.
To that smart-ass posting above you: for $200, it's madness not to expect at least some kind of manual or Quick Start guide. Don't know where he gets his logic from that for $200 you shouldn't expect a manual :silly:
ETA: Also wanted to add an example of why there should be a manual for this. I can just imagine all the poor bastards that chased their tails for hours wondering why they couldn't get the procedure for registering a Fingerprint Lock working. It's just not particularly intuitive that you have to press the damn thing TWELVE times and wiggle your finger to get it to work. Easily the most poorly documented device I have ever purchased. Sh*t, even my cheap chinese $5 digital meat thermometer had a detailed manual in the box, on paper no less. But my $200 smart phone doesn't. Go figure.
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it does tell you to wiggle or move your finger at fingerprint set up..
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it does tell you to wiggle or move your finger at fingerprint set up..
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Yes, after you press it TWELVE times it will eventually tell you to wiggle your finger after giving you countless fail/error messages.
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Lmao, people will cry over everything these days. Its a freaking android device, like any other. You get a little paper explaining hardware and buttons, and its written clearly: Press and hold power button to turn on the device, then follow on screen instructions. Thats why there is a startup guide when you use the phone for first time. Everythings explained more than simple. If you cant follow that, maybe smartphone is not for you. And i congratulate xiaomi for not wasting paper on this matter. Your rant about fingerprint is also absurd, everything is explained very clearly on screen instructions. Jeez, talk about being dramatic
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Well, I'm assuming you only use your phone to talk/text, browse a few webpages, and take not-so-pretty selfies, but some of us might want a little more detailed info on what this phone can actually do. And the phone can do a LOT, having features that probably 99% of end users aren't even aware of, thanks to virtually ZERO guidance provided by Xiaomi. The bottom line is we shouldn't have to go looking all over the web to compile our own documentation.
Btw, for comparison, I have a cheap, rock-bottom-of-the-line, $25 (USD) Unimax U673c android SmartPhone that had excellent documentation in the form of a PDF manual. But I guess it's okay if some of you guys don't find the lack of a manual curious. Your needs are probably few, and some of you probably can barely read anyway, so...
And I just wanted to say Thank You to corkiejp for being helpful and polite among a bunch of bozos whose only way of being able to communicate seems to be through snark. Have a great day. I'm outta here.
Dude, just stop. You are alone on this matter. Every single post in this thread disagree with you. You are drama queen over nothing. And i use my phone to its full potential, obviously more than you do, because i never needed any papers telling me how to add fingerprint lmao. Now that i think about it, im quite sure there wasnt any paper manuals in my atleast last 2 devices also. Just some simple instructions on how to remove sim tray or stuff like that. There is a FIRST STARTUP GUIDE on android for a reason. It couldnt be more simple. And this was my first ever MIUI phone, so i wasnt really familiar with this OS, yet somehow i understand all its functions. Maybe because whenever you enter some function menu from settings, you get a neat little guide on what its purpose is or an option called "about", which does same thing - explain how it works in short.
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JackOfOwls said:
Btw, for comparison, I have a cheap, rock-bottom-of-the-line, $25 (USD) Unimax U673c android SmartPhone that had excellent documentation in the form of a PDF manual. But I guess it's okay if some of you guys don't find the lack of a manual curious. Your needs are probably few, and some of you probably can barely read anyway, so...
And I just wanted to say Thank You to corkiejp for being helpful and polite among a bunch of bozos whose only way of being able to communicate seems to be through snark. Have a great day. I'm outta here.
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Half of your posts in this thread are insults against other members, talking about being polite... Joker. You are not right, you are not a majority, not a single person here gives a **** about paper manual, no one agrees with you, and you are not better than any members here who may have insulted your dramaqueen personality, because you spit insults in half of your posts here.
JackOfOwls said:
...Sh*t, even my cheap chinese $5 digital meat thermometer had a detailed manual in the box, on paper no less. But my $200 smart phone doesn't. Go figure.
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Your meat thermometer is a single-function device and as such easy to write a manual for. A 'smart' phone - in other words, a pocket computer which happens to include mobile connectivity - is none of the above. The role of the manual has been largely taken over by on-screen instructions, your example of fingerprint enrolment is demonstrative in this respect as it tells you what to do while you do it. You might as well get used to this as the chance of finding a comprehensive manual for software which is updated every other week is getting smaller and smaller. If you want a phone with a manual you're better off with a feature phone as those, due to their less ephemeral nature, can be described in full for the duration of their lifetime which is measured in years.
Incogn said:
Dude, just stop. You are alone on this matter. Every single post in this thread disagree with you. You are drama queen over nothing. And i use my phone to its full potential, obviously more than you do, because i never needed any papers telling me how to add fingerprint lmao. Now that i think about it, im quite sure there wasnt any paper manuals in my atleast last 2 devices also. Just some simple instructions on how to remove sim tray or stuff like that. There is a FIRST STARTUP GUIDE on android for a reason. It couldnt be more simple. And this was my first ever MIUI phone, so i wasnt really familiar with this OS, yet somehow i understand all its functions. Maybe because whenever you enter some function menu from settings, you get a neat little guide on what its purpose is or an option called "about", which does same thing - explain how it works in short.
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Half of your posts in this thread are insults against other members, talking about being polite... Joker. You are not right, you are not a majority, not a single person here gives a **** about paper manual, no one agrees with you, and you are not better than any members here who may have insulted your dramaqueen personality, because you spit insults in half of your posts here.
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I actually only insulted two people in this topic - you and that other idiot who could barely manage to get out a single sentence. Stop exaggerating. If I wish to think you're a douche for your asshole tone in replying to my posts, then that's my prerogative. Most of the people here have actually replied to my rant in a polite, reasonable way. And then there's the douches, they're on every forum of course, who I treat as they treat me. Congratulations. You got what you sowed. So take your own advice and just STFU.
JackOfOwls said:
I actually only insulted two people in this topic - you and that other idiot who could barely manage to get out a single sentence. Stop exaggerating. If I wish to think you're a douche for your asshole tone in replying to my posts, then that's my prerogative. Most of the people here have actually replied to my rant in a polite, reasonable way. And then there's the douches, they're on every forum of course, who I treat as they treat me. Congratulations. You got what you sowed. So take your own advice and just STFU.
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You insulted 3 people actually. How many posts there was? So saying half of your posts are insults is not an exaggeration. And you made fun of one user because of his grammar. Really? Are you an american? Because thats only country in the world i know of who are self entitled and stupid enough to make fun of someones second or even third spoken language..You must be an american. Only people in the world who speak 1 language and think they are smart. Pathetic. Sadly only douchebag i see here is you, and not only that, but dumb enough to not understand very clear on screen instructions lmao. Nice try, go read some paper manuals of your meat termometer, maybe that will help you understand smartphones better lol.
Incogn said:
Really? Are you an american? Because thats only country in the world i know of who are self entitled and stupid enough to make fun of someones second or even third spoken language..You must be an american. .
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Are you an Indian? You must be an indian Reason I ask is because there's a certain type from India that post a lot on the fone forums that write stupid and hysterical posts like this one.
Here's a pithy post from this forum that I think you should read, and the followup one too It certainly fits your psychological/sociological profile. Hah, even your own countrymen recognize there's a problem. Look within thyself and someday you may become a whole person instead of this silly man-child we seeing shrieking and LOLing to himself on these forums. :silly:
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Are you an Indian? You must be an indian Reason I ask is because there's a certain type from India that post a lot on the fone forums that write stupid and hysterical posts like this one.
Here's a pithy post from this forum that I think you should read, and the followup one too It certainly fits your psychological/sociological profile. Hah, even your own countrymen recognize there's a problem. Look within thyself and someday you may become a whole person instead of this silly man-child we seeing shrieking and LOLing to himself on these forums. :silly:
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Again, just proving the stereotype americans are dumb. You cant even adress single point i make, because you know im right. Calling someone dumb because they can speak slightly broken second language, when your sorry ass cant even do that. Crying nonsense about some paper manuals, when majority of OEMs stopped providing them. Not being able to follow the most simple instructions on screen. Calling me childish when you infact just spit nonsense, insults, and change subject every post, what a mature person! And finally assuming im indian for some reason, and spending whole paragraph trying to insult indians, when im in fact from europe lmao. Please, by all means, keep these dumb posts coming, im starting to find you hilarious.
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Again, just proving the stereotype americans are dumb. You cant even adress single point i make, because you know im right. Calling someone dumb because they can speak slightly broken second language, when your sorry ass cant even do that. Crying nonsense about some paper manuals, when majority of OEMs stopped providing them. Not being able to follow the most simple instructions on screen. Calling me childish when you infact just spit nonsense, insults, and changes subject every post, what a mature person! And finally assuming im indian for some reason, and spending whole paragraph trying to insult indians, when im in fact from europe lmao. Please, by all means, keep these dumb posts coming, im starting to find you hilarious.
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You should re-read my original posts instead of going off half-cocked again. Where does it say I need a paper manual? PDF documents are just as good. So your homework for now is to go back and re-read my posts and stop stupidly obsessing on the "paper" thing. Then we can continue this conversation, else I'll just continue to assume you have poor reading comprehension and/or debating skills. Just in case you need it written more clearly: I. Don't. Need. Paper. Manuals. PDF. Is. Fine. Stop. Being. Such. A. Douche. :laugh:
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You should re-read my original posts instead of going off half-cocked again. Where does it say I need a paper manual? PDF documents are just as good. So your homework for now is to go back and re-read my posts and stop stupidly obsessing on the "paper" thing. Then we can continue this conversation, else I'll just continue to assume you have poor reading comprehension and/or debating skills. Just in case you need it written more clearly: I. Don't. Need. Paper. Manuals. PDF. Is. Fine. Stop. Being. Such. A. Douche. :laugh:
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Lol.Again.Avoiding.All.My.Points.And.Rambling.Nonsense. Alright, my bad, go add "or pdf" whenever i mentioned manual. Not that it changes anything. You are still pathetic and avoiding the points i made, because i was right, and you have nothing clever to say anymore lmao. 'Murica at its finest
Incogn said:
Lol.Again.Avoiding.All.My.Points.And.Rambling.Nonsense. Alright, my bad, go add "or pdf" whenever i mentioned manual. Not that it changes anything. You are still pathetic and avoiding the points i made, because i was right, and you have nothing clever to say anymore lmao. 'Murica at its finest
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You really don't see the irony of the situation, do you? You try to call me out on insulting people from other countries and in the previous post you insult americans, and continue to insult them. Your own xenophobia exposed you for what you are - a hypocrite.. Anything you say now is likely to be dismissed by everyone. You are what is known as a dumb twat. All I had to do was give you enough rope. Now that is funny