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Hi to all,
A couple of days ago I noticed that when I answered a call the colors of the screen looked bad, and I didn't pay attention to it.
Now my screen has transparent horizontal lines which are pretty visible, kind of like interference you get in computer screens when you take a picture of them.
I would like to mention that I haven't dropped the phone even once.
I'm considering doing a factory resest in hopes that it will solve the problem, but I doubt that it is a software issue.
What do you guys think?
Please advise
Itay
Sounds like a broken screen to me. And definitely like a warrenty case. Restore stock f/w if you have flashed and return it.
Restore the original firmware (if you have flashed the phone) and call the samsung service for the assistance.
the thing is that now I don't see it at all.
It's as if it came and gone.
I disabled my task killer and juice defender, performed a complete titanium backup, in case I want to restore afterwards, and now everything is normal.
It does sound like a hardware issue, but do you think there's a chance it is software related?
I'm asking because I purchased it in europe, and I don't live there, so sending it for repair is something I would rather avoid.
Of course, if it is indeed 100% hardare issue, I have no choice.
That is why I'm asking, to be certain and to see if there are others who experienced this issue.
Your replies are much appreciated
update:
It appeared again -> Did a Factory Reset -> It's still there -> Sending for repair.
Must be a hardware issue.
Thank you for your replies.
I've actually always had slight screen issues with my Galaxy S also. The screen flickers slightly once in a while. I don't know if the radio is actually the cause but it's the kind of thing you might expect from radio interference.
Has anybody else noticed this?
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Has anybody else noticed this?
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Nope, never seen any flicker. My screen seems to have a defect of it's own though, but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort to send it in, because I imported mine from the UK while I live in South Africa.
When in the sun or under bright light I can see a two vertical lines near the sides and a horizontal line on dark/black colours and when the screen is off. As if those pixels have a grey/brown tint to them. The line is mostly one pixel thick but in places it is two pixels.
They are almost impossible to see unless under sunlight where they are clearly visible where the screen is black.
Does anyone else see this or know anything about it?
Edit: Apparently it's just the motherboard or something visible through the screen and they all have it, so I'm worrying about nothing...
That's interesting...
It used to come and go, but I think now it's here to stay.
It's really annoying and the screen, while usable, is really not a pleasant sight to look at.
I've attached some photos showing the problem.
With a normal screen I would say that it looks that way because that's what you see when you photograph a screen of an electronic device, but the sad thing is that what you see in the picture is exactly what I'm seeing now.
I did a factory reset, so it's in german now.
I heard some Droid X had a similar problem, but didn't know Galaxy S was having it as well.
In any event, can you confirm that after a factory reset, I no longer have root access?
Just making sure so that they don't give me problems with the warranty.
seem like the phone was dropped, and the screen got damaged
the connectors are lose
double posted again....
Really?
That's very weird...
The only time it was "dropped" was from half a meter , it didn't fall directly but partially sideways, it was with a case, and it landed on its back, not on the screen.
I wouldn't even call that a fall.
Unless, someone in my family dropped it without telling me...
Either way, I think there's no escape but to send it to repair.
If you think it's a problem with the connectors, would you try and give it to some local lab to try and fix it or send it to samsung for replacement?
I faced similar problem.
This problem only occurs when I use the phone in 2g mode.
there are occasions whereby the signal bar for 2g is full and when I place the phone near some conductive surfaces the lines becomes very obvious, to the point of irritating.
nit sure if anyone has such problems too
I have same problems with horizontal lines.
I never paid attention if i am on 2g or 3g when it happens. I will now.
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It seems that my phone too has started to do the same thing since last night.
I have called Samsung and am waiting to hear from them now.
I hope this is a thing covered in the warranty.
I have reverted to the local ROM for India and have deleted everything on my device.
Yet it shows lines flickering like you can see on old computer monitors.
Its not as bad as the ones on the attachment above but it is starting to annoy me.
It usually happens when the screen is completely filled with a single color except black.
Eg. When you pull down the notification tray down.
Also I seem to notice that when the wifi is off, it stops.(I dunno maybe a placebo effect)
aditya_t90 ,
I have sent it to Samsung for repair, and they should tell me in the coming days exactly what the problem is and whether it can be fixed under warranty or not.
I will update as soon as I hear from them.
Until then, try to see if it changes when you hold the phone differently, for example if you grip it more firmly or hold it in another way.
itaykoren said:
aditya_t90 ,
I have sent it to Samsung for repair, and they should tell me in the coming days exactly what the problem is and whether it can be fixed under warranty or not.
I will update as soon as I hear from them.
Until then, try to see if it changes when you hold the phone differently, for example if you grip it more firmly or hold it in another way.
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When did you send it in and when did they receive it(if you were not there when they got it).
Also how long has it been without your phone?
The samsung service center is shut in my area today.
I will go to them tomorrow and get this sorted out.
Its not like the phone was cheap or anything.
I actually sent it to my uncle in Germany because it was purchased there.
He went to the store where he bought it and the store owner immediately sent it to samsung and said that probably by this Tuesday or Wednesday (so tomorrow or in 2 days) he will get an answer from them and see what's going on.
aditya_90 ,
Just to let you know that Samsung are sending me a new phone to replace the damaged one.
I sent in my phone for repairs and they replaced the LCD module. The problem is now gone.
I suggest that you should do the same while the warranty still holds since it appears to be the LCD that failed somewhat.
about 2 days ago my phone fell from a table flat into the floor, it now has a dead pixel and a vertical blue line going across the screen, the blue line does not show up on black background but when it displays other colors it is very prominent. I've searched the forums and while I feel confident I can replace the screen myself I wanna know if I have any "cheaper" or price comparable options from the sprint/manufacturer/warranty side before I attempt a DIY. my phone as it happens is only about 1 month old but has been rooted and flashed at least twice.
so the question is: what are my options?
Take it in to the Sprint Store. I don't remember pricing but while Sprint strongly recommends do not root your phone, it's not a policy they enforce. Might cost you $35, if you have TEP it might cost you nothing.
Just take it in and say it fell off the table and show them, then ask how much.... worth a try a least.
There's another thread here with some repair options, you can check them out too.
Edit: Here it is.
If you tell them it fell off the table they will charge you $100 for a replacement if you have insurance or tell you you have to buy a new phone if you don't. You would need a SUPER friendly tech to offer to fix it....which the odds are severely against you.
sweet, i'll try that today, I know a girl on my sprint store that fits the super friendly bill.
Good luck. I wouldn't mention the fall though.
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If Sprint doesn't fix it for you, try checking the connection between the screen and the phone.
The bottom of my phone's display looked corrupted and I fixed it by reinserting the ribbon cable connecting to the screen. I guess it somehow loosened on its own.
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YES, loose connection!!!!
Etirkca, thank you SO much for tossing your experience in at the end there!!! You've given me a quick shift from despondent and grasping to very optimistic and focused! to
My screen went completely dead today (and has stayed that way) at some unknown specific point but following a series of pretty hard-hitting drops of late. I quickly noted that the sound was still functioning when I tried to restart what I initially thought was a phone that had simply powered itself down. Felt like I was deducing in the right direction when I observed that the LED indicator appeared to be non-functional as well. Anyhow, cutting to the chase, had come up with power supply problem to the top-half of the phone as my leading theory before I headed over here to look for some answers/help and was directed to this thread as my very first hit and with your post at least confirming the possibility/likelihood I've got a minor problem, not the potentially huge, expensive one I'd feared.
So, thanks again, but thought I'd hit you up to see if there's any quickie web page you can direct me to which'll show me how to get at that connector. I've no doubt I'll be able to find drawings/instructions on my own, if necessary, but since I'm full newbie to this site and very much an average, amateur tinkerer (as opposed to legit tech) it seems worth asking you and the group for direction on my next step.
Thanks again and in advance! --
--Laz--
There are tons of great vids on how to take the phone apart... google it and watch the video.... its really pretty simple... if you know how to take the phone apart it will be very obvious as to the ribon which may have become disconnected
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Just wanted to close the issue in case anyone should run across this thread in the future and my experience can help them find a solution.
Was actually looking forward to taking my phone apart and giving a fix a try but my lazy/practical side decided to pop into my local Sprint store just to see if there was any chance I could get them to take a look without charging me for anything. Surprisingly, the rep I spoke with took the phone to a tech on the spot and the tech dropped what he was doing to open it up and take a look. Ten minutes later the tech handed me my fully-functioning phone and said the ribbon had been torn completely in half! He said this situation was not uncommon after a year-and-a-half of sliding the keyboard open and closed, again and again. No charge, didn't even write up a ticket as far as I know. Probably got lucky in going into the store about an hour before close on a Thursday night. I'm CERTAIN (based on previous Sprint experience) I wouldn't have received that sort of service if I'd happened in at a busier time.
But worth noting that the ribbon had ripped completely through without any particular drop or other incident and with no prior intermittent performance or any indication something was about to go seriously wrong.
Hello there.
I bough my second hand Xperia Play few months ago and it was fine. I rooted it, but kept stock ROM, as I found out my device have forbidden access to bootloader (and it cannot be done, or at least that's how I understood it - nevermind it now).
It was fine, until let's say 3 weeks ago. My phone started to graphically glitch in a very weird way. It grew worse and worse and now I cannot use it anymore ... unless it "wants" to, because sometimes the phone works perfectly normally.
I captured the problem with my second phone ... it's not so high quality, but please try to imagine the weird colours and shapes you see on the screen, only that in reality, they are extra sharp. It looks like colourful grains of sand
youtube.com/watch?v=S1qkkiuEU8M&feature=youtu.be
I suppose something has happened with graphic chip in the device and while this has happened before (to my w550i), this case is a bit different. It works sometimes. I push OFF button and it shows grain. I push it again and grain is there again. But sometimes it normally shows me unlocking slider, I unlock it and it's OK. Sometimes it stucks during unlocking and while the phone works, display shows last working state, for example unlocking slider in the middle of sliding.
I've tried to search for such topic, if it happened before, but wasn't able to come with good search terms to start with : /
I also tried to restart the phone many times, to no avail (grain display is simply during startup too), or even install ROM again through SE updater ... nothing. That was my last choice, now I'm clueless.
Anyone who knows about this issue, from different mobile phone (it doesn't matter), or if it can be repaired by me, or in shop for money (that wouldn't cost more than new phone) or simply any hint you can give me ? I'll be glad, will appreciate it.
EDIT: I added photo too:
i48.tinypic.com/2z71ypy.jpg
Again - it looks like that, only much sharper.
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Hello there.
I bough my second hand Xperia Play few months ago and it was fine. I rooted it, but kept stock ROM, as I found out my device have forbidden access to bootloader (and it cannot be done, or at least that's how I understood it - nevermind it now).
It was fine, until let's say 3 weeks ago. My phone started to graphically glitch in a very weird way. It grew worse and worse and now I cannot use it anymore ... unless it "wants" to, because sometimes the phone works perfectly normally.
I captured the problem with my second phone ... it's not so high quality, but please try to imagine the weird colours and shapes you see on the screen, only that in reality, they are extra sharp. It looks like colourful grains of sand
youtube.com/watch?v=S1qkkiuEU8M&feature=youtu.be
I suppose something has happened with graphic chip in the device and while this has happened before (to my w550i), this case is a bit different. It works sometimes. I push OFF button and it shows grain. I push it again and grain is there again. But sometimes it normally shows me unlocking slider, I unlock it and it's OK. Sometimes it stucks during unlocking and while the phone works, display shows last working state, for example unlocking slider in the middle of sliding.
I've tried to search for such topic, if it happened before, but wasn't able to come with good search terms to start with : /
I also tried to restart the phone many times, to no avail (grain display is simply during startup too), or even install ROM again through SE updater ... nothing. That was my last choice, now I'm clueless.
Anyone who knows about this issue, from different mobile phone (it doesn't matter), or if it can be repaired by me, or in shop for money (that wouldn't cost more than new phone) or simply any hint you can give me ? I'll be glad, will appreciate it.
EDIT: I added photo too:
i48.tinypic.com/2z71ypy.jpg
Again - it looks like that, only much sharper.
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Imo that should be the flex cable problem, the cable which connects the motherboard and the screen, is damaged. Unroot, send to Sony centre, or maybe you can purchase it from eBay and fix it yourself.
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Thanks man a lot, because you gave me what I needed (second to) most - search terms through which I can find more.
I knew that there has to be cables connecting display with main body somewhere, such as there are similar cables in hinges between notebook display and main body ... but I supposed they would be well crafted, because the mobile is suppose to be sliding between these two states quite often.
I also saw this, to which your another post helped me to go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646537
I will now try to learn how to take the phone apart (some are easy, some are hard to do so) and hope for the best. The good thing is that display is probably OK. Display usually costs a lot, right ?
So if I won't be able to take it apart by myself and will be forced to go to repair shop, I will have KNOWLEDGE ( ) and won't be fooled by greedy repairmen, who would want to tax me new display or something apart of cable-replacing/connecting.
Good luck to you mate. All the best.
Sent from my awesome Xperia Play with DoomKernel
OK, news update - so far, nothing real has happened. I contacted one friend whose father repairs stuff, maybe it will help. I also bought set of T4 screwdriver heads so I can remove those buggers on the phone (and if that father-repairman plan fails I'll just do it myself). I also contacted guy from whom I bought the phone (because it's only 3 months old), maybe he will feel a bit guilty (it's actually a shop, not just person) and help me to repair it for bargain price.
We'll see.
And just one question for you, or anyone else who ever did this. How often it is needed to replace flex cable ? Or in other words - how often just connecting it again is enough ? Because buying form ebay isn't option for me (no credit card, no paypal, or whatever is needed - and I live in Central Europe). Not sure if such specialized parts are freely available to buy in electronic shops. After all, Xperia Play isn't so widely spread android phone and to add to improbability - flex cable replacement isn't usual problem too. Or is it ?
Just food for thoughts.
A while back i used to "try" to root stuff. I sucked at it BAD. Anyway, I have a Galaxy Note 8.0 (GT-N5110) that I had rooted to a certain point (very superficial) and I just kept it the way it was, that way I could use Multi-window for any app. This morning I unplug my tab from the charger only to be disappointed that it will not turn on. Ive tried different power outlets, different cables, different base chargers, even the whole "power+vol_up+home" thing... nothing. I never updated the tab when Kitkat came through the pipeline. Im freaking out that a new major update automatically happened overnight or something. Im sorry to trouble you all, but does anyone have suggestions? Since it's rooted I can't take it to Samsung or Best Buy. Honestly if I could just get it back to stock, that would be awesome, but im more concerned about getting it to simply turn on. Any Ideas?
If your device is rooted you won't get an OTA update so that could not be the problem. You can try to unplug battery (mus open the device)"and see what happened. Maybe your battery is faulty or someting else.
K... I appreciate it Ill take a look. But, lets say I actually open it (without making things worse), how do I determine if the battery is in fact faulty? If it is, can I get a replacement? preferably an official samsung one.
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Scratch that. Sry, Im just always scared of doin stuff, so I always feel like I have to ask the question, but I'll look it up. Im confident at least this should be easy enough for me to do Thank you again.
The problem with this device is you cannot pull out the battery easily. Maybe after that steps it boots up again.
Battery removal wasn't bad... now I'm just waiting for a new one (ordered on ebay, crossing fingers hoping it was legit). What did you mean "after that steps it boots up agin."? Will the tablet boot up without the battery if it's plugged in or something?
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Battery removal wasn't bad... now I'm just waiting for a new one (ordered on ebay, crossing fingers hoping it was legit). What did you mean "after that steps it boots up agin."? Will the tablet boot up without the battery if it's plugged in or something?
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Wow, that suck. sorry for you man. For now, try to plug the tablet to a computer and while device manager opened and see if there is change. If the change say "qhsusb" or something along that line and not your model number . . . changing battery wont do anything because it's already hard bricked. if not, finger cross.
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What did you mean "after that steps it boots up agin."? Will the tablet boot up without the battery if it's plugged in or something?
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No. But sometimes after this step and reconnecting the battery the device boots up. Also a battery calibration is done.
I tried plugging in the tablet to the computer with the old battery and then without any battery. Neither one prompted anything in the device manager. Today I got the new battery (assuming its legit and in good condition) in the mail. I plugged it in, and nothing. Plugged the tablet with the new battery to the wall charger, nothing. Plugged the tablet with the new battery to the computer while running device manager, nothing.
I'm going assume that the new battery is dead and let it stay connected to the wall charger for 8+ hrs, and see if there are any changes.
I just really don't understand what the deal is and why this would randomly happen. Ive never had problems with the firmware or anything. I have felt like there was an issue with the battery being that it doesn't seem to be keeping much of a charge... but for it to just Hard Brick like this seems so out of the blue. Can anyone provide me with additional suggestions please?
Maybe I'll ask it this way...
Is there any way to test if the batteries are food? That way I can at least determine if the tablet is in fact hard bricked or just bad batteries.
Might not be what you want to hear, but if different cables, chargers and batteries don't work, then maybe there was a power surge overnight while the device was plugged into the wall that took out the device (I once lost a computer that way and now I only use surge suppressors (note that not all power bars are proper surge protectors! See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surge_protector ) that are UL 1449 certified with a low clamping voltage and high energy absorption rating as a minimum; the fancier ones can even tell you if your wall outlet has a grounding problem). Or your tablet's USB port is broken, but that doesn't make sense based on what you've said thus far. Or you're just super-unlucky and all of your replacement parts are also faulty (it could happen). Either way, I've got my fingers crossed for you!
In the meantime, a multimeter would be able to tell if the batteries hold a charge, and whether or not power flows to the device when the battery is attached or the device is plugged into the wall or computer.
Just make sure you read up on how to use one first so you don't accidentally electrocute yourself:
https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-use-a-multimeter
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In the meantime, a multimeter would be able to tell if the batteries hold a charge, and whether or not power flows to the device when the battery is attached or the device is plugged into the wall or computer.
Just make sure you read up on how to use one first so you don't accidentally electrocute yourself:
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Ill definitely be looking into this option in depth tomorrow, and deeply appreciate it. At least it's something. T_T I don't want my tablet going to electro grave. This sucks so bad. This has been a month from hell
First my printer decides its time to start printing crooked over a couple of months, getting so bad that it jams up a few weeks ago, requiring me to get a new printer, which has been a fiasco in and of itself that still hasnt been resolved. Ive gone through 4 printers in one week, all of them different model printers, all from HP, and each and every one of them defective.
Then my laptops video card tweaks out because of installing Splashtop Stream, which starts a domino effect requiring me to do a factory reset on the laptop.
Then my Tablet just decides to kill over.
Then my Microsoft Arc mouse decides it doesn't the want to wheel to work requiring me to purchase a new one, and when I receive it, the cover for the battery compartment is missing and the wheel click is defective. It took 2 and a half weeks to resolve
Then I get bronchitis.
all in less than a month.
Alright, ya... it's dead. Oh well. Here's me trying to make the most of it: are there any places that buy bricked tabs? I figure the parts have to have some sort of salvage value.... maybe.
You can't go to a Samsung service shop? They might not fix it under warranty, but I assume they'll have a look at it and give you an estimation? I feel for you, we all have had these awful weeks... I soft bricked my pad, my computer started to play up, my other computer decided it wanted to die after years of hard work and not skipping a beat, my son got the flu, the missus was on her monthly(grumpy wife..take cover), and when I took a break from it all on the toilet I found that we had run out of paper! To make matters worse, my favorite football team lost from a second division team.. This all happened in one single day! So chin up, it might take a week, but when all it's fixed again you'll experience deep appreciation for the things you have taken for granted.... (xda fixed my tablet, time fixed my wife)
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Sry for delayed response.
Im very very doubtful that Samsung will help. I have two more... ideas, before I go to Samsung. Non-invasive of coarse, wouldn't want to make matters worse.
K, So first off I took the tablet with extra battery to a tech place in the area that said the batteries are fine, but when they put a multimeter to the motherboard nothing came back. Basically its dead according to them. There's one more shop in the area I want to get a second opinion from. Next, does anyone know anything about an app called "Splashtop Stream"? I'm a fond user of Splashtop to control/view my computer straight my tablet, but when I installed "Splashtop Stream" to use the tablet as an extended screen (not just a cloned second screen), my tablet and both computers I tried it with did NOT like it. I immediately uninstalled it, but it dawned on me that it was just a matter of days later that my Tablet died. I hate to grasp at straws, but if an app like that is too resource intensive, I'm okay with seeing a connection that it fried my tablet. I can't just ask Splashtop "Hey, does your app fry motherboards", so I need a way of researching legitimate known problems. I can't afford a $400 tablet right now.
The reason why I'm using Samsung as a last resort is because it's outside my warranty time, and the moment they know that I did even the simple fast-mod on it, they'll slap it down and won't help. There no custom boot or Roms on it.
With all this said, any suggestions anyone?
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You can't go to a Samsung service shop? They might not fix it under warranty, but I assume they'll have a look at it and give you an estimation? I feel for you, we all have had these awful weeks... I soft bricked my pad, my computer started to play up, my other computer decided it wanted to die after years of hard work and not skipping a beat, my son got the flu, the missus was on her monthly(grumpy wife..take cover), and when I took a break from it all on the toilet I found that we had run out of paper! To make matters worse, my favorite football team lost from a second division team.. This all happened in one single day! So chin up, it might take a week, but when all it's fixed again you'll experience deep appreciation for the things you have taken for granted.... (xda fixed my tablet, time fixed my wife)
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O_O That does suck!! Sry man.
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Sry for delayed response.
Im very very doubtful that Samsung will help. I have two more... ideas, before I go to Samsung. Non-invasive of coarse, wouldn't want to make matters worse.
K, So first off I took the tablet with extra battery to a tech place in the area that said the batteries are fine, but when they put a multimeter to the motherboard nothing came back. Basically its dead according to them. There's one more shop in the area I want to get a second opinion from. Next, does anyone know anything about an app called "Splashtop Stream"? I'm a fond user of Splashtop to control/view my computer straight my tablet, but when I installed "Splashtop Stream" to use the tablet as an extended screen (not just a cloned second screen), my tablet and both computers I tried it with did NOT like it. I immediately uninstalled it, but it dawned on me that it was just a matter of days later that my Tablet died. I hate to grasp at straws, but if an app like that is too resource intensive, I'm okay with seeing a connection that it fried my tablet. I can't just ask Splashtop "Hey, does your app fry motherboards", so I need a way of researching legitimate known problems. I can't afford a $400 tablet right now.
The reason why I'm using Samsung as a last resort is because it's outside my warranty time, and the moment they know that I did even the simple fast-mod on it, they'll slap it down and won't help. There no custom boot or Roms on it.
With all this said, any suggestions anyone?
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I randomly bumped here and I'm no expert, but if your tablet's motherboard is indeed dead, I believe there is absolutely no way they can tell that the device got rooted at some point. You did not "hard brick" it, that's a whole other thing, or at least so I've learned in my not-very-long experience. "Hard brick" should be the result of flashing a kernel made some other device, which definitely is not your case. Moreover, that does not kill the motherboard, it just makes anything unbootable: it's a software problem, so it can actually be detected. You had a hardware failure that most likely completely wiped any proof that you have ever modified your device, so the only problem that you might have, I think, is them telling you that they take no responsibility for what your power outlet has done to the device, but they shouldn't be able to detect any modification that you have made. In my opinion technical support is worth trying.
Awesome!! Thank you so much!
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Awesome!! Thank you so much!
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You're welcome, good luck!
Just thought Id let everyone know that I managed to get Samsung to compromise on the matter since the Tablet is only 5 months past warranty (1yr 5mnths since purchase). So, not much longer and hopefully Ill have a tablet that works yet again.
As to why phones were "exploding". It seems the original reason they had of a battery manufacturing fault is now incorrect and it seems theres a more inherent design fault? Incredible that the biggest phone manufacturer in the world, with all their engineers couldn't figure it out.
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As to why phones were "exploding". It seems the original reason they had of a battery manufacturing fault is now incorrect and it seems theres a more inherent design fault? Incredible that the biggest phone manufacturer in the world, with all their engineers couldn't figure it out.
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They either haven't figured it out, or they HAVE, and it's something in the hardware (motherboard, etc) that it's too late/costly to reengineer.
Read a story that mentioned it might be the SoC, designed it to push more power to the battery then it could end up handling. Really liked this phone.
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Read a story that mentioned it might be the SoC, designed it to push more power to the battery then it could end up handling. Really liked this phone.
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If it was that wouldn't they just push a update to limit the fast charging? Or the soc I gotta assume that's all handled by software.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the battery was the smallest and crammed into a tiny space, more than any other phone. There's got to be something in that, perhaps any sort of pressure on the back was causing some sort of battery failure.
All sorts of theories today. Too thin of separators in the batteries. Curve edge of the screen causing it. Fast charging. Some new battery fault etc. I don't think Samsung found the problem.
They better. I hate them so much now... They wasted months of my life, wanting and not getting this phone. Some of you had at least a chance to test it out feel it.... All I got is 10 min. with demo unit. If they keep it to them self a lot of ppl will think they have no clue and the same problem could happen to S8. What phone to get now until S8E is out. I need excellent maniera, water resistance and of course big screen...
It sounds like they don't know yet and can't replicate the problem in their testing. But I don't know if we really know much of the whole story. There could be multiple reasons we never get a clear answer. I think the recall was forced upon them not only to limit litigation, but from the governmental agencies. It is sad that by far the best overall phone ever made to date has been killed off. There really is no other phone that combines all the great things the N7 has going for it.
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All sorts of theories today. Too thin of separators in the batteries. Curve edge of the screen causing it. Fast charging. Some new battery fault etc. I don't think Samsung found the problem.
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I agree with you. Canning the entire product is such a drastic move. If they knew what the problem was, ANY fix would surely cost less to engineer in, than they huge damage to their reputation, to their competitive position in the market (no flagship product available) and the hard cash costs of product write off.
But if they just can't figure out what's causing this problem, what could they possibly do? Could they say "you know, we don't know what the problem is, but just keep using them and sorry about the occasional fires". Obviously not. How about do *another* recall and risk Version3 phones catching fire too? Clearly they can't do that either.
Then consider the following: This problem is *rare* - 1 in 100,000 units perhaps? And it didn't show up in any pre-production tests nor QA checks. Add in the fact that they thought it was the battery, and then found out that it was not.
All this leads me to believe that they haven't yet figured out with 100% certainty what the problem is.
It must be something that renders the design faulty meaning they'd have to remanufacture the device to fix it something that probably generate quite a wait time for people to exchange it. So canning it is a better option.
The two things I think are most suspect is
a) overheating either via charging or just using the SoC to the max and causing heating issues.
b) casing is designed in such a way that puts undue pressure on the battery.
Either way it's a expensive fix, sure you could firmware update it to slow the charge speed or down clock the processor but then you've got a whole other issue of false advertising. You paid for X and got Y.
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evo4g63t said:
It must be something that renders the design faulty meaning they'd have to remanufacture the device to fix it something that probably generate quite a wait time for people to exchange it. So canning it is a better option.
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Not necessarily.
As I said above, what if they can't be certain what the problem is? What should they do then? The only option in those circumstances would be the course of action they have taken.
This is imho the most likely scenario. Clearly, they didn't think there was anything wrong with it when it was launched, and after extensive r&d and product testing. They thought the product was fine.
And now they are faced with trying to identify *with certainty* what's causing 1 unit in around 100,000 to fail, when all they get back to test are charred remains. They could not risk a second failed recall, based on not being 100% sure what the problem is, so their ONLY option in those circumstances would be to withdraw the product.
One things for sure, when they eventually do find out what caused it, a whole department is getting sacked! I bet there's a lot of nervous Samsung design heads just now.
teegunn said:
It sounds like they don't know yet and can't replicate the problem in their testing. But I don't know if we really know much of the whole story. There could be multiple reasons we never get a clear answer. I think the recall was forced upon them not only to limit litigation, but from the governmental agencies. It is sad that by far the best overall phone ever made to date has been killed off. There really is no other phone that combines all the great things the N7 has going for it.
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Now they have 2 million phones they can test and replicate the problem. I foresee huge electric bills for them charging and discharging 2,000,000 phones.
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Not necessarily.
As I said above, what if they can't be certain what the problem is? What should they do then? The only option in those circumstances would be the course of action they have taken.
This is imho the most likely scenario. Clearly, they didn't think there was anything wrong with it when it was launched, and after extensive r&d and product testing. They thought the product was fine.
And now they are faced with trying to identify *with certainty* what's causing 1 unit in around 100,000 to fail, when all they get back to test are charred remains. They could not risk a second failed recall, based on not being 100% sure what the problem is, so their ONLY option in those circumstances would be to withdraw the product.
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Another theory is that in the first instance they jumped over a few tests to get the phone out before the iPhone 7, then in the first recall they didn't actually fix anything, just did a firmware update (how else would they have replacement devices within 1 WEEK?). The update turned out not to be enough, whatever was wrong with a certain percentage wasn't fixed by making them charge slower or less.
And now you can't really do a second recall and expect people to trust the same device. They are saving face, call it a loss, and move on.
Do any of you think that this is full of crap though? Samsung has NOT completed their investigation yet, and until they do, for all anyone knows, the devices could have failed due to mistreatment by their users. Out of FOUR MILLION phones, only 35 explode, and of the replacement units only 7? Lets say the first generation was bad, and only count the replacements. 7 out of 4 million. That is a 0.000175% chance of your phone exploding. So, they discontinued the line for less than an even 1% chance, without waiting for the investigation to be completed? COME ON. PLUS, some of the people who had exploded note 7s REFUSED to return them.
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Do any of you think that this is full of crap though? Samsung has NOT completed their investigation yet, and until they do, for all anyone knows, the devices could have failed due to mistreatment by their users. Out of FOUR MILLION phones, only 35 explode, and of the replacement units only 7? Lets say the first generation was bad, and only count the replacements. 7 out of 4 million. That is a 0.000175% chance of your phone exploding. So, they discontinued the line for less than an even 1% chance, without waiting for the investigation to be completed? COME ON. PLUS, some of the people who had exploded note 7s REFUSED to return them.
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What I want to know, of the ones that have malfunctioned, were they damaged prior? Dropped, thrown, etc. That would definetly play into the battery cells being smashed together regardless if they are on or off. I don't buy into the heat thing entirely, because I've taken mine into the sauna 3 times and it's still fine. I'm debating what to do. I love this phone. My first note. I'll be near a best buy Friday, so I'll go in and see if anything pegs my interest and goes from there. I'd be happier if I knew when they were going to release something with a stylus. Absolutely love that thing.
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What I want to know, of the ones that have malfunctioned, were they damaged prior? Dropped, thrown, etc. That would definetly play into the battery cells being smashed together regardless if they are on or off. I don't buy into the heat thing entirely, because I've taken mine into the sauna 3 times and it's still fine. I'm debating what to do. I love this phone. My first note. I'll be near a best buy Friday, so I'll go in and see if anything pegs my interest and goes from there. I'd be happier if I knew when they were going to release something with a stylus. Absolutely love that thing.
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I also say theres another possibility. There's been incidents with USB-C cables in the past.. cheap cables.. (the kind you buy in gas stations and pharmacies). They've caused the ports to get damaged and devices (of all types) to explode because wires inside are hooked up incorrectly. How do we know that this wasn't caused by someone using a faulty third party accessory?
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I also say theres another possibility. There's been incidents with USB-C cables in the past.. cheap cables.. (the kind you buy in gas stations and pharmacies). They've caused the ports to get damaged and devices (of all types) to explode because wires inside are hooked up incorrectly. How do we know that this wasn't caused by someone using a faulty third party accessory?
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My point exactly. That was the rumor the first time. I got the Samsung cables, so I'm not worried about that. Just really wonder if dropping them, damaged the case, which put pressure on the battery and short circuited it.
Here's the thing, SAMSUNG themselves cannot replicate the situation. No matter HOW they tamper with the phone. I guarantee you they're not using these bad third party cables, or trying to operate a device with partially compromised firmware from a failed root attempt, or other things they tell their end users NOT TO DO. I guarantee you they're testing the phone (other than dropping it and water tests) within the specs of what they tell users is okay to do with the phone.
Here's the other thing, the video of a 'note 7' supposedly catching fire in someones home... 1: its in black and white, 2: its a security camera in someone's living room. 3: YOU NEVER SEE THE ACTUAL PHONE ON THE CAMERA. For all we know she's holding a smoking piece of toast. Plus, consider that an overheating li-ion battery is a chemical reaction and that smoke usually means the battery has been punctured. HOW and WHY is she still holding it?
In hindsight, considering my Note 4 would overheat DRASTICALLY on the Gear VR Innovator Edition so much so that the Phone would produce a message to warn to let it cool down, Samsung Engineering should have seen this coming.
Maybe it was a Godsend, INTRUSIVE IRIS Scanner and all.
Or maybe it WAS a conspiracy, like nothing really was at fault, the powers that be saw something in the Note 7 they were not in favor of letting the public/consumer get their hands on.
We may never know. But rest assured something seems not quite right about the whole fiasco. Even a social engineering experiment.
Interesting read guys... I have my note 7 now for 6 weeks. Had the first one too before the switch. Both of them worked/work fine. No overheating. I am not sure if only exinos cpu variants are catching fire. Over here in germany there are no fires at all. It is sad that this phone is canned, and for the remaining working ones, there will never be a a software update at all. This phone is by far the best phone ever. Truly.
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