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Calls if only Wifi is on?

I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like [email protected], he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?
Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,
Daniel

morfic said:
I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like [email protected], he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?
Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,
Daniel
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hahahahahaha You are sooooo lost! you dont know how the network works and i'd bet your paying big time for phone service hahaha oh man thats funy..... ok ok ill tell you how it works its called VOIP or Voice Over Internet Protocol meaning you will use the internet for making phone calls such as a wifi connection ever heard of phone company VONAGE ? (if your american) well its something like that you will need an internet connection such as a wifi connection and you will only be able to make call when you are connected to to THAT wifi connection you cannot go around and make calls because you will get disconnected from the wifi after you got connected to a wifi spot you will need a service provider I sudgest www.skype.com actually skype rocks its really cheap its like 3 dlls for unlimited usa and 10 dlls for unlimited world or you can get prepaid after that you will need to subcribe and download skype for windows mobile smatphone install the app acess your skype acc and then make a phone call on your wifi network.........
that should save you some money however the thing that sucks about it its that you need to have a wifi connection for it to work or you can get edge or 3g network but you cant i think if your not on your home area....
I sudgest getting your phone sim unlock you can get one for free by contacting tmobile ask for a sim unlock and just use a local sim card you would pay much less than with roaming and you would not need a wifi connections to make phone calls.
if you got more questions just poste hope it helps.......

It actually works
I obtained a t-mobile dash recently and I am having a similar issue. The phone recognizes my sim card, but will not connect to t-mobile's network. If, however I have wireless on, my phone will make calls, and naturally internet. I am not entirely sure what is going on here, but using an access point for calls actually does work.

themitch - Considering the HTC Dash will not work on the T-Mobile hotspot service and will not make VOIP calls without considerable modifications (unless you install skype or another third party voip client) you are blowing smoke. The HTC Dash simply does not have the software or the hardware to connect to a wifi hotspot for calls without help.
Now you can modify the Dash to work on the T-Mo at home service (and other wifi networks) but it requires installing some files, editing the registry and knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash.
Anyway,

Bupahs:
I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the [email protected] service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.

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Bupahs:
I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the [email protected] service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.
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Have you done a hard-reset or tryed another ROM?

themitch said:
Bupahs:
I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the [email protected] service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.
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The Dash does not have the hardware or software to make calls over the internet or wifi (without considerable help) not to mention the EDGE / GPRS network is specifically designed to make this next to impossible to happen.
Are you sure your not turning on and off the PHONE radio, turning on the wifi will NOT detect a GSM or EDGE network the hardware in the phone does not work that way.
Now it is possible you have the one in a billion HTC Dashes that can do this lol but I doubt it. Proof? its called Video bro, take a video of what your phone does and share it up

VoIP
I've been using VoIP (Internet Calling) over wifi on my Dash for months. I've tested several VoIP providers and have had very little setup issues. Currently my provider is Gizmo which has been great. I have tweeked the registry so my wifi connection is G (as opposed to B) and have tested at numerous cafes that offer free access. The overall quality is very useable but not the quality of that of cell service.
cya
PS It took me more time to get the attached clip made than to setup the VoIP

cya said:
I've been using VoIP (Internet Calling) over wifi on my Dash for months. I've tested several VoIP providers and have had very little setup issues. Currently my provider is Gizmo which has been great. I have tweeked the registry so my wifi connection is G (as opposed to B) and have tested at numerous cafes that offer free access. The overall quality is very useable but not the quality of that of cell service.
cya
PS It took me more time to get the attached clip made than to setup the VoIP
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We know it can be done, whats being 'debated' here is whether the topic starters out of the box Dash is doing it with no modifications and if so why.
Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know

I give up reading as just persumed he could only talk celular "not voip", when wi-fi is on...???

morfic said:
I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like [email protected], he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?
Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,
Daniel
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My post was in direct response to morfic's question in post #1 ... "so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls".
Bottom line Daniel is that you have options for wifi voice calls. Setup a Skype, Fring, or similar 3rd party software account or setup up a SIP account like Gizmo, install two or three readily available cabs and use the Internet Calling feature MS designed into the operating system.
cya

cya said:
My post was in direct response to morfic's question in post #1 ... "so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls".
Bottom line Daniel is that you have options for wifi voice calls. Setup a Skype, Fring, or similar 3rd party software account or setup up a SIP account like Gizmo, install two or three readily available cabs and use the Internet Calling feature MS designed into the operating system.
cya
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And as stated you can not make VOIP calls with out system modifications, as you show here (and as I stated) you need to install third party applications and cab files which modify the HTC Dash system. Thus, the answer is NO the T-Mobile rep is quite wrong, the HTC Dash as recieved from T-Mobile will NOT make WiFi / VOIP calls out of the box.
I would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult.

Bupahs you may think there's a debate about "out of the box" VoIP but my read of morfic's thread starting post is that of a guy that wants to know if it's possible to eliminate roaming charges in Germany by making use of wifi calling.
In your own words "Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know" and "I(t) would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult" .... just my read but I don't see morfic (Daniel) asking about "knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash" ... only morfic can comment but I'm guessing that he’d just like to get a simple answer to his initial question.
cya
ps just another guess ... but I'm expecting another of your demeaning "put down posts", that seems to be your style

cya said:
Bupahs you may think there's a debate about "out of the box" VoIP but my read of morfic's thread starting post is that of a guy that wants to know if it's possible to eliminate roaming charges in Germany by making use of wifi calling.
In your own words "Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know" and "I(t) would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult" .... just my read but I don't see morfic (Daniel) asking about "knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash" ... only morfic can comment but I'm guessing that he’d just like to get a simple answer to his initial question.
cya
ps just another guess ... but I'm expecting another of your demeaning "put down posts", that seems to be your style
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Happy to oblige ya then.
See morfic said "I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well) And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
As stated time and time again, the T-Mobile rep is wrong no HTC Dash sold will work out of the box over IP (voip) nor will it work on the Hotspot, nor will you be able to circumvent roaming by connecting over WiFi for calls, it cant happen. As further evidence that this is the topic of 'debate' themitch said he had a similar problem, thus this promted the entire rest of the discussion where I already stated you need to modify the Dash and use third party software, something a T-Mobile rep will never recommend nor suggest you do... not to mention I did say to you "We know it can be done, whats being 'debated' here is whether the topic starters out of the box Dash is doing it with no modifications and if so why."
so just where does your oh so unnecessary replies come in here? You simply restated what was already stated and it was not relevant to the actual discussion that themitch, morfic and I were having... so yeah, pay attention.. it helps

Bupahs you didn’t disappoint …. semi-creative use of morfic’s setup information to expound your superior knowledge and the tmobile guy’s perceived misinformation. morfic’s “sounds like [email protected]” leaves a little room for some benefit of the doubt for the tmo rep ... I’d bet we could find more than a few reps that understand how the system works. Without the benefit of a transcript of morfic’s phone conversation it’s a stretch to imply he was told specifically that VoIP was an “out of the box” option. Just a wild guess here but maybe that’s why morfic asked “so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls”. I’ll just wait for him to decide if he wants to setup Internet Calling or use some 3rd party software. If he should decide to go the Internet Calling route I’ll gladly provide the cabs if he so requests. Bupahs, “so yeah, pay attention.. it helps” and I’ll leave you and your condescending comments to yourself.
cya
ps morfic I feel your pain … I got the $429 bill my daughter ran up using her phone when she was in France for 10 days … I made sure that didn’t happen again when she went back for 4 months by sending her with a phone setup to take advantage of VoIP using wifi. Just so you know the quality of the call was in direct relationship to the quality of the wifi connection.

Stylez- That is correct. I will repeat again for Bupahs' benefit that I am not claiming to be using voip. I have installed several different WM variations, and in every case, the phone only detects the t-mobile network after I turn on the wireless-g connection. I am assuming this is some kind of hardware malfunction at this point, but I am hoping someone knows more about these phones can explain what is going on and how I can fix it.
Oh, and yes, I am smart enough to know the difference between the phone radio and the wireless button in the com manager Bupahs. I have owned several pda's and smartphones, and I know the difference. You may think I am stupid, but since I have not and do not claim to be using voip, your comments are unnecessary. I need help, not some jerk telling me I am blowing smoke. I will post a video for you after I get the phone put back together, as I have disassembled it to see if something is shorted on the panel or something. Hopefully that will satisfy you.

cya said:
Bupahs you didn’t disappoint …. semi-creative use of morfic’s setup information to expound your superior knowledge and the tmobile guy’s perceived misinformation. morfic’s “sounds like [email protected]” leaves a little room for some benefit of the doubt for the tmo rep ... I’d bet we could find more than a few reps that understand how the system works. Without the benefit of a transcript of morfic’s phone conversation it’s a stretch to imply he was told specifically that VoIP was an “out of the box” option. Just a wild guess here but maybe that’s why morfic asked “so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls”. I’ll just wait for him to decide if he wants to setup Internet Calling or use some 3rd party software. If he should decide to go the Internet Calling route I’ll gladly provide the cabs if he so requests. Bupahs, “so yeah, pay attention.. it helps” and I’ll leave you and your condescending comments to yourself.
cya
ps morfic I feel your pain … I got the $429 bill my daughter ran up using her phone when she was in France for 10 days … I made sure that didn’t happen again when she went back for 4 months by sending her with a phone setup to take advantage of VoIP using wifi. Just so you know the quality of the call was in direct relationship to the quality of the wifi connection.
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Aww thats cute.
Its not a wild leap if you actually read what he wrote. Obviously the T-Mo rep thought the Dash was set up for use on the WiFi @Home service (like many of T-Mos current phones) and gave incorrect information. I cleared it up for him that its not and wont make voip calls without help. You got your feelings hurt when it was pointed out your not contributing to the discussion. Using 'big words' now is not helping your case.

themitch said:
Stylez- That is correct. I will repeat again for Bupahs' benefit that I am not claiming to be using voip. I have installed several different WM variations, and in every case, the phone only detects the t-mobile network after I turn on the wireless-g connection. I am assuming this is some kind of hardware malfunction at this point, but I am hoping someone knows more about these phones can explain what is going on and how I can fix it.
Oh, and yes, I am smart enough to know the difference between the phone radio and the wireless button in the com manager Bupahs. I have owned several pda's and smartphones, and I know the difference. You may think I am stupid, but since I have not and do not claim to be using voip, your comments are unnecessary. I need help, not some jerk telling me I am blowing smoke. I will post a video for you after I get the phone put back together, as I have disassembled it to see if something is shorted on the panel or something. Hopefully that will satisfy you.
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I guess you forgot you made the claim "The phone recognizes my sim card, but will not connect to t-mobile's network. If, however I have wireless on, my phone will make calls, and naturally internet. I am not entirely sure what is going on here, but using an access point for calls actually does work." Now that would seem you are saying what you wrote, that your Dash makes calls over the access point, in other words WiFi. What you wrote here clearly infers your Newly acquired Dash makes voip calls and not normal radio calls. Perhaps you should take more care in what you write to avoid this type of miscommunication in the future huh?
A video would be great.. lets see if it ever surfaces lol

A miscommunication I have repeatedly attempted to clear up, yet you are still being an ass. Don't you have anything better to do?

themitch said:
A miscommunication I have repeatedly attempted to clear up, yet you are still being an ass. Don't you have anything better to do?
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Umm yeah, whats next your daddy can beat up my daddy? lol
Whatever.

How to get Skype working for the TP2

The reason for this thread is to help people get Skype working to its fullest extent and resolve some of the issues. The ultimate objective is to allow those with Skype subscriptions to get unlimited anytime calling across North America if they pay the $2.95 / month for the Skype plan and have unlimited data...
Download Skype 3.0 for Windows Phones here:
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/windowsmobile/
It installs fine and theoretically works great, however, there are a number of issues:
1. Skype automatically routes all audio to the speakerphone.
To route the audio to the earpieces, install audioRoute from Teksoft:
http://teksoftco.com/storage/download.php?product=audioroute_ppc
This product is discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495166
It essentially installs an icon in your taskbar that loads when the phone starts up. Once you open Skype, you click the icon, select the first icon, which is the earpiece, and then all audio will get routed to the earpiece when using Skype.
To route the audio to a Bluetooth headset, then install A2DP toggle from Teksoft:
http://teksoftco.com/storage/download.php?product=a2dptoggle
This program should theoretically allow you to select the Bluetooth headset when Skype is loaded. It should theoretically be able to be loaded concurrently with audioRoute. I have not tested it fully.
2. Skype will not work unless connected to a wifi connection
I had tested Skype and thought it worked flawlessly until someone with an iPhone mentioned that he had to install some sort of program to "trick" Skype into thinking it was connected to a Wifi. I believe that this is an issue with the way Microsoft has designed Windows Mobile, but is probably intential to prevent competition for telecommunication company voice packages. This issue supposedly does not exist with Windows Mobile clients.
Just ensure that ActivSync/Wifi/Mobile is enabled under the Connection settings.
3. Skype Mobile does not support video calling
I'm not sure if this is a software issue or just something that can be hacked. I see no reason why this functionality would be disabled in the Mobile version of Skype... any insight would be appreciated.

Would love it if anyone else is experiencing problem 2 as well... I want to find out if it's isolated to my handset... or even to just my carrier.

slaman said:
Would love it if anyone else is experiencing problem 2 as well... I want to find out if it's isolated to my handset... or even to just my carrier.
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No problem here on a Vodafone TP2. Skype uses the 3G connection fine.
You know that htere's a setting that tells Skype what connection(s) to use? It defaults to "Use ActiveSync/Wifi" but can be changed to "Use ActiveSync/Wifi/Mobile"

It was working for me I think
see the message below

It was working for me I think
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but I have made calls through Skype on my TyTN II using the Australian Three 3G network. Called my wife on her mobile in Shanghai with no problems. Well, the connection was pretty horrible (I think it's a bit hard work for both the phone and the network) but it connected fine for as long as I wanted.
As tjobbins said, in the Connection Method settings, I can "Use ActiveSync/WiFi" or "Use ActiveSync/WiFi/Mobile"... so if I'm overseas, I leave it on the first one; in Australia on the second one.

skippinshanghai said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but I have made calls through Skype on my TyTN II using the Australian Three 3G network. Called my wife on her mobile in Shanghai with no problems. Well, the connection was pretty horrible (I think it's a bit hard work for both the phone and the network) but it connected fine for as long as I wanted.
As tjobbins said, in the Connection Method settings, I can "Use ActiveSync/WiFi" or "Use ActiveSync/WiFi/Mobile"... so if I'm overseas, I leave it on the first one; in Australia on the second one.
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Interesting... I think my settings might have changed because I tested it again just now and it worked!
Thanks all!

I'm interested in how this works. I own the Titan at the moment and Skype only works over Wifi. Do you know if Skype plans on fixing the problem with calls only being heard from speaker phone? Any update on video calling?
off-topic question here, does anyone know if the titan operates on 3G? (i have sprint)

jtadeo said:
I'm interested in how this works. I own the Titan at the moment and Skype only works over Wifi. Do you know if Skype plans on fixing the problem with calls only being heard from speaker phone? Any update on video calling?
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We can only hope. Skype have their forums and I saw a number of posts complaining about those missing features. I guess we should add our voices, though I would expect it will take a while for it to be fixed; the current version for Windows Mobile, Skype 3, was released fairly recently.
One alternative to look at is Fring. It supports better audio routing, i.e. calls are not only on speakerphone - they can come through the normal phone earpiece, or a bluetooth headset. Don't think it does video. As well as Skype, it also supports MSN, ICQ, Yahoo, AIM and others, so it's a good all-in-one client.
However on the TP2 Fring does currently have one quite annoying issue - it doesn't seem to work on Wifi. It's fine on mobile/3G connections, but on Wifi it won't list access points or connect. This is reported on their forums but no sign of a fix yet. Actually I did once get it connect to WiFi, but I don't really know how and haven't been able to repeat it.

Oh I just remembered the other huge problem with Skype for Windows Mobile - it doesn't list your phone contacts!
Bloody useless when you want to make a Skype Out call, and you end up having to go into the contact record, copy their number, and then paste it into Skype. Really daft.
Fring does list your contacts, and you can use it for Skype Out as well as Fring's own paid-for outbound dialling system.

I have another problem: NO notifications! So i don't know if someone chats or phone me! It's useless in that way!

tjobbins said:
Oh I just remembered the other huge problem with Skype for Windows Mobile - it doesn't list your phone contacts!
Bloody useless when you want to make a Skype Out call, and you end up having to go into the contact record, copy their number, and then paste it into Skype. Really daft.
Fring does list your contacts, and you can use it for Skype Out as well as Fring's own paid-for outbound dialling system.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I want to make sure that I'm using only data-only when making calls, since I have unlimited data... and limited daytime voice minutes.
I installed fring, and it doesn't show the TP2 as a supported device. When I launched it, it kept asking me to find a WLAN... except nothing shows up on the list! Wifi is enabled AND data is enabled, and it keeps showing Not Available...
Has it worked on your TP2?

slaman said:
I installed fring, and it doesn't show the TP2 as a supported device. When I launched it, it kept asking me to find a WLAN... except nothing shows up on the list! Wifi is enabled AND data is enabled, and it keeps showing Not Available...
Has it worked on your TP2?
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Nope. See my post before the one you quoted! It doesn't work on WiFi on the TP2 at the moment - and also on some other WM devices I think.
Works great on 3G and ActiveSync, just doesn't work on WiFi.
Except.. once for me it did. It suddenly connected and I don't know how or why. Haven't managed to repeat it yet though. But maybe there's a workaround lying in there waiting to be (re) discovered

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Nope. See my post before the one you quoted! It doesn't work on WiFi on the TP2 at the moment - and also on some other WM devices I think.
Works great on 3G and ActiveSync, just doesn't work on WiFi.
Except.. once for me it did. It suddenly connected and I don't know how or why. Haven't managed to repeat it yet though. But maybe there's a workaround lying in there waiting to be (re) discovered
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No no - I had wifi disabled and just tried to use regular data connection... but it couldn't find the connection for some reason.

Hate to bump an old thread... but I finally got Fring working on my TP2 (latest version), but SkypeOut calls don't actually direct to the Earpiece... I don't hear anything. Loudspeaker works fine.

[Q] Few problems with my Desire, any ideas?

I'm using unbranded Desire with no mods/rooting, udgraded to the latest official Android 2.2 version.
Here are my problems:
1. People say that they couldn't reach me (number unavailable) while I was on the network all the time. Doesn't happen very often (or I just don't know that) but is really annoying when it does.
2. I am connected to my home WiFi but browser/other programs say that network connection is not available. I have to turn wifi off and on again for it to work. Can it have something to do with the "energy management" widget?
3. My phone is calling people. I get a callback from people saying I called them but they couldn't hear anything (phone was in my pocket). I was wondering if it wasn't the case when I am finishing a call and pressing the red button to end the call but someone on the other side hung up earlier and when I press, the "call" function is activated. However I remember 1 or 2 times when it was definetely not the case.
4. I desperately need a PDF reader that allows to continue reading a book in the place where I finished last time. At the moment I need to be very careful not to close the pdf reader app. When I do I need to look for the page, really annoying. This should be a free app (Google doesn't want my money, they don't allow people from my country into paid appstore )

Hello, 1&2 are really weird problems, they might be connected with the radio, can you check your radio version in settings\about\software\baseband. Some people had problems with the official OTA. Just to be sure - is your wifi alright on other devices and are you sure you have sufficient network coverage. If you download torrents with a crappy router you are likely to get problems. If you're in a low signal area it is possible to lose signal while your device is in your pocket e.g. closer to the ground, when you pick it up you see the bars, when it's in the pocket the network dies. One thing you can easily do is a factory reset , this way we'll find out if any software is causing the problem
3 - you might be turning your device on and then pressing the screen and then calling people, it is not unheard of . Ask them if they hear any noise like cars, people passing by and other stuff, if they do then that's the case
4 - search the market, there are a few, you'll need to try them to see which works best for you

freakzone said:
Hello, 1&2 are really weird problems, they might be connected with the radio, can you check your radio version in settings\about\software\baseband.
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32.43.00.32U_5.09.00.20 - does it tell you anything?
freakzone said:
Some people had problems with the official OTA. Just to be sure - is your wifi alright
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I'm quite sure it is, I have the maximum signal strength on the display of the phone.
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this way we'll find out if any software is causing the problem
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I think I'll do it when I have a spare weekend
freakzone said:
4 - search the market, there are a few, you'll need to try them to see which works best for you
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quite a few of them and NONE supporting what I need :-/

It might be worth to pop in the store, the unit might be defective, this radio is alright for froyo

allerune said:
1. People say that they couldn't reach me (number unavailable) while I was on the network all the time. Doesn't happen very often (or I just don't know that) but is really annoying when it does.
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If you only have a 2G connection, and are actively using data, all incoming calls will get diverted to voicemail because 2G only supports voice or data - not both at the same time. This is not an issue if you are in 3G coverage, when you can have simultaneous voice and data.
Note that this is a network side issue - 2G networks can be configured to prioritize voice over data, so that if a call comes through data is suspended, but as far as I'm aware most networks (in the UK at least) do not support this.
Regards,
Dave

freakzone said:
It might be worth to pop in the store, the unit might be defective, this radio is alright for froyo
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I guess there is no point going to the store with a problem that cannot be reproduced :-/
Anyway I don't think it's something physical, I suppose software reset will fix everything.
I had that with Nokias, there was a main board problem (every now and then it said "invalid sim card"). Every time I sent it back to the manufacturer, it came back saying "software replaced, tested, everything ok".
Thanks for help anyway ;-)

foxmeister said:
If you only have a 2G connection, and are actively using data, all incoming calls will get diverted to voicemail because 2G only supports voice or data - not both at the same time. This is not an issue if you are in 3G coverage, when you can have simultaneous voice and data.
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Thanks Dave, actually my phone is set to automatically choose network type and I am using a widget to turn off mobile data since I have WiFi at home and only turn it on when I'm outdoors.
I heard that some phones cannot decide whether they should log into the 3G or 2G and that may be the issue. I have changed the settings to use only 3G, we'll see how it works.
BTW: Dave, is it London Ealing? I used to work in Ealing O'Neill's pub back in my student days :-D

Is VoIP a problem with the G2 unless you use T-Mob's app?

I have a US T-Mob G2 and sipdroid installed on it. Using VoIPfone which is in the UK. I have a speedtest app installed which shows 5 mbps download speed 3 mbps upload. I posted this message to another forum where it was moved involuntarily to the Android Q&A but I am pretty sure it isnt an Android problem. I am using 2.3.4 which is auto-updated by T-Mobile. I have been CID&SIM unlocking and flashing Wizards, Hermeses, Blue Angels, Wings for over five years but never thought to do anything to this phone and wonder if that may be the problem now, as T-Mobile has their own VoIP service to prevent you from sidestepping their plan-minutes. Curiously there have been 142 views of my question with no suggestions whatsoever. Again, I am pretty sure it isnt an Android problem.
People report that they can hear me clear as a bell on Sipdroid but I can hear almost nothing. I hear a half second of incoming sound followed by a second or two of silence, then another half second of sound, repeating about 10 times till all incoming sound stops completely.
VoIP provider (Voipfone) says yes, some other users OF THEIRS have reported this problem and this is an inherent problem with Android and Android users cant use VoIP. They allude to some mysterious latency problem (which is identifiable on line, - except that users say it affects OUTGOING sound, not incoming so): I say baloney: There is something wrong with their server. Or can T-Mob recognise that I am trying to use VoIP and I suppose there is a remote chance they are blocking something to prevent me using any VoIP service other than their own (which uses their minutes!!). Cant imagine what they could do to stop me but i can sure imagine why they would want to try! The symptoms do look suspiciously like blocking?
Has anyone else noticed this problem with Sipdroid or any other VoIP app on a G2 or (as I have to think more likely) with Voipfone? Voipfone have been quite negative about trying Acrobits etc.

After tons and tons of problems using sip viop. I ended up using gvoice plus groove ip. Works perfect and in latest versions they have tons of fixes for no voice and such. Dosent use minutes and can be used over 3g and 4g. Hope this helps.
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weird results when phone connected to computer
Since i posted, I discovered that Sipdroid works perfectly when connected to a computer with a hard wire! When unplugged, it continues to work fine. You can even walk around the flat and the connection continues to work fine! As soon as I try to MAKE a call, the problems re-emerge.
I posted these results on the Sipdroid forum and the moderators dont seem to have let this problem be public (yet?)
(Dont now think it is the phone or the carrier)

I agree with you. It is not a problem of Android. I would suggest you to go for a trial service with another VOIP service provider and see the difference. I am sure you will not face this issue. I am using VOIP service on my Android from the The Real PBX. And actually it is working fine with me. It may be the issue of the SIP client they are providing with their service as well.

VIOP problems
I have always used voip in conjunction with a home asterisk server, PBXes, Sipgate and Google Voice over wifi. I have not used T-mobile's service, so I can offer little help, there, regarding circumventing any of their blocks.
The problems you're describing, one way audio, could be related to STUN, NAT or the use of an incompatible codec. Usually, codec. I do not use STUN. The most compatible codec would be ulaw, or alaw in Europe. Sipdroid is not the friendliest client, I rather use Android's (gingerbread or better) built-in or CSipSimple. CSipSimple is the best out there for easy setup. I has numerous host profiles built right in the setup wizard.

Just use Groove IP with your google voice best $4 spent ever...international calling over wifi what what!!!

I have been using this provider successfully for five years
wodurrah said:
Just use Groove IP with your google voice best $4 spent ever...international calling over wifi what what!!!
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Thanks guys the problem must be with Sipdroid: I see their forum is replete with questions and NO answers for months on end. I will try to see whether the other apps integrate different codecs or different ways of using STUN?
The curious thing is that the provider semi-officially recognises Sipdroid on their site which makes it a bit surprising that they cant isolate the problem in my case.

[Q] Native VOIP support

Doesn't the GNEX have built-in VOIP support?
My old HTC Desire with Oxygen ROM (AOSP 2.3) had this.
I assumed ICS would have it too, but I don't find anywhere to enter the sip key and password....

No it does not.

Aww, that sux.
Does any of the roms offer this?

nxt said:
No it does not.
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SIP accounts have been natively supported since Gingerbread.
In ICS go into phone -> Menu -> Settings -> Internet call settings.
You can set up your SIP account there and call settings (when to use, receive incoming, etc).

Hm, yeah thats what I thought too, but I don't see any "Internet call settings" in the setup menu on my GNEX 4.0.2.

madsere said:
Hm, yeah thats what I thought too, but I don't see any "Internet call settings" in the setup menu on my GNEX 4.0.2.
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You need to go into the phone app, the menu, settings. It was moved out of the main settings page.
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Ah that's where it's hiding. Actually it kinda makes sense. Thanks!

Anybody want to recommend a good SIP service and say a little about them? Currently I am using GrooVe IP + Google Voice but who knows what is going to happen now that Google has screwed them over..

I was recommended sipgate.com and terrasip.com by friends. Not much experience with them yet but I was told they are good.
From my own experience, avoid voipdiscount.com, awful call quality.

SipGate is not going to work for me, at least for the time being.
Thank you for your interest in sipgate!
Due to the increased volume of new registrations within the last few weeks, we have unfortunately ran out of free numbers in your area and we are currently not able to offer you any alternative free phone number at the moment.
We have ordered a new batch of numbers which will be made available very soon but we're afraid we can't give you an exact time frame for this yet. Follow us on twitter and we will let you know when it will be possible to sign-up for an account with us again.
We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this.
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Edit: Terrasip looks more like a European service. Anyone had success with them in the US?
Ive been so spoiled on the whole Google Voice being free thing, I'm not so sure I'm willing to pay a minute fee for VOIP/SIP..

WiredPirate said:
Anybody want to recommend a good SIP service and say a little about them? Currently I am using GrooVe IP + Google Voice but who knows what is going to happen now that Google has screwed them over..
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CallCentric

didlogic.com
Few people know about this provider because they mostly sell to other companies but their quality and rates is second to none. I pay $6/monthly and use the native sip feature. works like a charm.

Can anyone explain in a few words what is the difference between DID and SIP and VOIP.
I live in Thailand. I'd like to be able to let people call a number somewhere in Europe or US and have that redirect to my mobile here. Obviously with as low cost as possible.
I'd also like to be able to call people worldwide without spending an arm and a leg. That is what a SIP provider provides, correct?
I guess to get a number somewhere I need to find a DID provider able to provide the number in that country, right? And I'd still need some way to carry the call from the DID to me? Do I understand this right?
Unfortunately the international Internet connectivity from here isn't too good, so I thought perhaps it would be best to get a SIP provider here? Or does that not make any difference?
Sorry if this is going somewhat off topic, but since you guys seems to know this stuff and the OP (my) question has been answered I guess it's ok

Anyone know of a way to set it to only use internet calling when you are on wifi? It is pretty pointless for it to use 3g or LTE for internet calling...
Thanks

madsere said:
Can anyone explain in a few words what is the difference between DID and SIP and VOIP.
I live in Thailand. I'd like to be able to let people call a number somewhere in Europe or US and have that redirect to my mobile here. Obviously with as low cost as possible.
I'd also like to be able to call people worldwide without spending an arm and a leg. That is what a SIP provider provides, correct?
I guess to get a number somewhere I need to find a DID provider able to provide the number in that country, right? And I'd still need some way to carry the call from the DID to me? Do I understand this right?
Unfortunately the international Internet connectivity from here isn't too good, so I thought perhaps it would be best to get a SIP provider here? Or does that not make any difference?
Sorry if this is going somewhat off topic, but since you guys seems to know this stuff and the OP (my) question has been answered I guess it's ok
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SIP is a protocol for VOIP (Session Initiation Protocol).
A DID is a direct inward dialing number (a telephone number).
Normally with a sip provider you don't get a DID. You receive calls at [email protected] This does not allow a standard phone to call you, just other SIP clients.
There are various services (and some SIP providers) that will allow/grant a DID to send a call to a SIP service. You can get a DID with Sipgate or use a service such as IPKall to get a DID and forward the calls placed to that DID to your VOIP/SIP provider (which will then ring your phone).

nomisunrider said:
Anyone know of a way to set it to only use internet calling when you are on wifi? It is pretty pointless for it to use 3g or LTE for internet calling...
Thanks
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