Why not make them the same so everyone get all the benefits in mods roots ect?
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Why not make them the same so everyone get all the benefits in mods roots ect?
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Because different carriers operate on different frequencies or even a different technology (CDMA vs GSM), and thus different radios have to be manufactured. Some countries also lack LTE networks - hence S3s deployed there would lack the LTE chip to save production cost.
If you want to be compatible with as many networks as possible, you either make a dual-mode world phone (expensive) or make specific variants for specific carriers.
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Because different carriers operate on different frequencies or even a different technology (CDMA vs GSM), and thus different radios have to be manufactured. Some countries also lack LTE networks - hence S3s deployed there would lack the LTE chip to save production cost.
If you want to be compatible with as many networks as possible, you either make a dual-mode world phone (expensive) or make specific variants for specific carriers.
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ok! i allways wondered about that, well answered thanks man im just very dessapointed on at&t devices couse we never get the new updates and nice roms wont work with our carrier but big thanks!
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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I find idevices to be extremely expensive off contract, 600-800$for that thing.
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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Not exactly, while the iPhone 5 (and many other Verizon phones released since last year) have GSM radios, they often don't support the AWS band, and so far none of them support the LTE used by non-CDMA carriers. Technically a world phone, but not "world" enough.
Making pentaband radios is already costly enough. Putting in a pentaband radio and a CDMA radio and support for both types of LTE would be pretty darn expensive. On the other hand, making one CDMA phone and one AWS phone and one non-AWS phone, etc, is probably cheaper on the production line.
Personally idevices aren't worth the money you spend on them there too locked down.. You can jailbreak etc still big woop I guess. Plus the worse downfall is no expandable SD and the camera ehh so so would I personally pay for iPhone Nope unless its dirt cheep
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Apple managed to make a world phone without making it expensive. So that argument is invalid.
The only real reason is to fragment the market even more than it already is.
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I could be wrong but I think that statement is false the only reason there is no fragmentation with Apple is cause they control the hardware as well as software. The realease all updates at the same time for their devices. Its as if all android devices out there would all be nexus devices, there would be little to no problem with fragmentation.
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Does this phone run well enough to be a daily driver on tmo with 4g while on the road even more doesit work with Att 4g lte? How do I knitter I'm getting the compatible one for my carrier which is TMobile right now, and roll be Att in the future. Where can I also get the best warranty and overall price with product quality guarantee? Is it necessary to get the western Europe version with yakja and will the be a quality difference in other versions from school the other regions?
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I bought my Gnex from Expansys-usaafter reading that it was a pretty reliable place to get the yakju version. I also bought a Square Trade warranty for about $70 that includes accidental damage protection as well, just in case. I've had the phone for a couple of weeks now on T-mobile and it works perfect I travel with it daily and have yet to have a signal issue or anything like that.
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Does this phone run well enough to be a daily driver on tmo with 4g while on the road even more doesit work with Att 4g lte? How do I knitter I'm getting the compatible one for my carrier which is TMobile right now, and roll be Att in the future. Where can I also get the best warranty and overall price with product quality guarantee? Is it necessary to get the western Europe version with yakja and will the be a quality difference in other versions from school the other regions?
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Does this phone run well enough to be a daily driver on tmo with 4g while on the road
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The gsm version (aka not he verizon versions) will work as well as any phone. E.g. the bottlekneck will be the network, not the phone.
even more doesit work with Att 4g lte?
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No.
How do I knitter I'm getting the compatible one for my carrier which is TMobile right now, and roll be Att in the future.
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The gsm versions will work with both (but not att lte). The CDMA versions will ONLY work with verizon.
The need to make a superman phone
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Is the stock version software smoother than CM9?
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Hey I'm sorry, th banks for all the info and concern it is really helpful I appreciate the concern. Anybody know if the g nez is worth buying if it's going for 450 on new egg and Amazon? And will I be feeling different if I get a sakju alternative like from Japan or anything different from other parts of the world in Asia or East Europe which aren't directly supported from Google and end up changing out the radios and the firmware. Will the be a lead to a loss or success?
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I think its a damn steal for $450 and I'd jump on it in a second. To me this is the best phone on the market going for such a cheap price.
Are all the gnez the same with hardware specs?
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Let's say I get a different variation of sakju I should be able to turn my phone into sakju and get it working with Google like it too right?
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So what is the negative difference from the Amazon version and the yakju version, and would it matter if going to root and install custom roms?
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From what I understand yakju just means it has yakju radio and firmware for ota updates from Google, what I think is when you buy a gnez that you can mode it into yakju with flashes of radio and firmware. Just a thought.
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Do y'all think when LTE comes over to sprint that we can switch over from wimax to LTE?
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Not being a smartass, but only if it is in your area and you upgrade your phone.
Its cool..I was talking about as in change them out some how... devs do all types of things....just wanted to kno was it impossible
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Do y'all think when LTE comes over to sprint that we can switch over from wimax to LTE?
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Craig L and Ed Bay are working on swapping the modems.
sfhub said:
Craig L and Ed Bay are working on swapping the modems.
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If it were that simple, sprint would have done it already and used it as a selling point and to extend the life of the phone
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I just wanna see if it can b done
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Craig L and Ed Bay are working on swapping the modems.
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Nice.
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More realistically if enough ppl complained maybe we can get sprint to give us a free upgrade to an LTE device
By the time LTE actually comes to your area, you'll probably be eligible for an upgrade anyway.
And why would you get a free upgrade? It's not like the WiMAX service is being shut down or anything.
There are theories, but nothing confirmed yet.
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More realistically if enough ppl complained maybe we can get sprint to give us a free upgrade to an LTE device
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I called Sprint when the news that they were ending WiMax came out and they said that if I did not have 4G in my area they would allow me an earlier upgrade to an LTE phone with no penalties.
I had to push them for a while and escalate and bedazzle them with logic, but it worked.
But it was all for nothing since my phone will be put up for sale May 7th.
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I just wanna see if it can b done
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No. Need new hardware, hence new device.
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Our processors can't handle lte
Hence the reason tmo gs2 and att skyrocket has a different processor
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Our processors can't handle lte
Hence the reason tmo gs2 and att skyrocket has a different processor
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Precessors have nothing to do with it. The problem is with the antennas. We simply do not have the hardware for lte.
Nah, he is right about the Exynos. I forgot about it. We did hear it may be possible with a software reprogram. Still looking to confirm.
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Nah, he is right about the Exynos. I forgot about it. We did hear it may be possible with a software reprogram. Still looking to confirm.
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By "we" you mean sprint employees? They told me at my local store it was not possible. That was a couple months ago. Have things changed? That would be awesome.
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By "we" you mean sprint employees? They told me at my local store it was not possible. That was a couple months ago. Have things changed? That would be awesome.
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We as in ACS. We were in touch with a reliable source that I'd prefer not to name the origin of.
A few things...
LTE and WIMAX do require 2 different radios so if you wanted your device to switch between them it would have to have both radios built in.
Wimax is not going away anytime soon because we announced a new hotspot device which houses all of our radios aka "quadband".
Just a question; Why is complaining ever a solution? Technology moves like water. You jump in knowing that there is newer and better just up stream of you. Retail some how gives people a sence of entitlment which baffles me. You buy a car, do you complain the next year and say "well now there is a 2013 modle with x,y,z in it so I should get it for free".... just silly, baby town frolics even.
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LTE and WIMAX do require 2 different radios so if you wanted your device to switch between them it would have to have both radios built in.
Wimax is not going away anytime soon because we announced a new hotspot device which houses all of our radios aka "quadband".
Just a question; Why is complaining ever a solution? Technology moves like water. You jump in knowing that there is newer and better just up stream of you. Retail some how gives people a sence of entitlment which baffles me. You buy a car, do you complain the next year and say "well now there is a 2013 modle with x,y,z in it so I should get it for free".... just silly, baby town frolics even.
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I kinda agree with what you're saying... I think what people are having an issue with is that they are stuck in contract with a non-lte phone. If you had to pay 5 times for that newer model car than what a new customer would pay, I bet you would be pretty upset too. I just hope my upgrade timing plays out perfectly to when lte is coming to chicago. That would be awesome.
On that meeting they had about network vision they did say about making lte work under Wimax or something like that I may be wrong thoe
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I have the chance to buy a sgs. Could I unlock it and have it work on Verizon's network? The sellers insists it could with the right APNs. Can any one enlighten me?
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I have the chance to buy a sgs. Could I unlock it and have it work on Verizon's network? The sellers insists it could with the right APNs. Can any one enlighten me?
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If the phone is manufactured for Verizon, like it says verizon on the device, then yes it will. However, if its a T-Mobile or ATT SGS3, then NO it wont work. ATT and T-Mobile SGS3 doesnt have CDMA bands.
If its a sprint SGS3, then yes you can unlock it to work on Verizon. Hope that clarifies things for you.
It doesn't have the right 4g bands?
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It doesn't have the right 4g bands?
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No the T-Mobile and att phones don't have any cdma bands at all.
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No the T-Mobile and att phones don't have any cdma bands at all.
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That is correct there is complete incompatibility between the carriers cdma vs. gsm, CDMA is more frequently used here in the us its a older technology and GSM is more world wide the only phone i really seen that carries both bands are the iphone 4s
Thanks for your info guys
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Any phone that sports the "global" tag will work on any carrier. Such as the "Droid 2 Global" and I believe that there is actually a worldwide variation of the htc one x or one s as well.
Google is your best bet.
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Any phone that sports the "global" tag will work on any carrier. Such as the "Droid 2 Global" and I believe that there is actually a worldwide variation of the htc one x or one s as well.
Google is your best bet.
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I heard the Verizon S3 is supposed to be "Global" however, remember that T-Mobile is special and uses that 1700 mHz aws frequency for 3g therefore global phones wont get 3g on tmobile. Like my Sprint Touch Pro 2 for instance
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Any phone that sports the "global" tag will work on any carrier. Such as the "Droid 2 Global" and I believe that there is actually a worldwide variation of the htc one x or one s as well.
Google is your best bet.
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The only "global" phones that have CDMA bands are Verizon and Sprint phones in the US.
Why would a GSM carrier put GSM bands in their phone when you can use a GSM phone overseas already?
I'm not talking about overseas, I'm telling the op a global phone would work on any carrier...
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I'm not talking about overseas, I'm telling the op a global phone would work on any carrier...
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But they won't. A global phone from AT&T or T-Mobile will not work on Verizon or Sprint. A Verizon or Sprint global phone is also not likely as the other carriers will not activate it. However it is much more likely.
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But they won't. A global phone from AT&T or T-Mobile will not work on Verizon or Sprint. A Verizon or Sprint global phone is also not likely as the other carriers will not activate it. However it is much more likely.
Edit: I will concede that certain devices can only use certain frequency ranges however, as I stated -any phone that sports the global tag can and will tap any frequency.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but your most definitely wrong. Most Gsm phones for the United States will not work overseas, its just the "name" of the US network. CDMA works transparently with TDMA. If you know anything about APNs and cat radios then you'll be able to figure it out.
I have personally cracked verizon for AT&T and vice versa.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but your most definitely wrong. Most Gsm phones for the United States will not work overseas, its just the "name" of the US network. CDMA works transparently with TDMA. If you know anything about APNs and cat radios then you'll be able to figure it out.
I have personally cracked verizon for AT&T and vice versa.
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So I can use a UK phone here, but I can't use an unlocked AT&T phone in the UK? That makes no sense. So why do people overseas buy unlocked phones from the US? So they can use them for paperweights?
The difference between GSM here in NA vs the rest of the world is the frequencies used:
Most of NA and SA use 850/1900 while the majority of the planet uses 900/1800. http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
So if you want to use a phone from the US overseas it must be at least Triband or quadband (more common).
For 3G to work outside the US the phone will also need the 2100 band.
Hope this helps.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but your most definitely wrong. Most Gsm phones for the United States will not work overseas, its just the "name" of the US network. CDMA works transparently with TDMA. If you know anything about APNs and cat radios then you'll be able to figure it out.
I have personally cracked verizon for AT&T and vice versa.
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Lol, GSM phones can be used worldwide. The only real big place that uses CDMA bands is inside the USA, almost everywhere else is straight GSM. Funny how people buy US phones from overseas, and never once have complained that they don't work. But I'll definitely take your word for it.
But since you supposedly can make an AT&T phone work on Verizon, mind getting me a Galaxy Note that works on Verizon? Unless of course its not possible, which its not.
Will the switch to LTE in 2013 (I'm assuming to facilitate the MetroPCS merge) impact us Galaxy SIII users negatively? Does our device support an LTE functionality?
Also, if there is to be a switch in networks, would I be able to "switch off" LTE --to the lesser 3G-- to preserve date usage?
It won't impact us negatively. Heck it could even help us as it would lessen traffic on the hspa + bands as more people switch to LTE. And no our devices cannot use LTE.
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It won't impact us negatively. Heck it could even help us as it would lessen traffic on the hspa + bands as more people switch to LTE. And no our devices cannot use LTE.
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I guess in a sense of it clearing the roads,it would be okay. It's too bad we wouldn't be able to handle LTE. Are you sure it isn't able to be activated via an update?
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I guess in a sense of it clearing the roads,it would be okay. It's too bad we wouldn't be able to handle LTE. Are you sure it isn't able to be activated via an update?
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From what I've read about in all the hardware specs our device doesn't have the hardware for i.
I wouldn't mind being wrong! LTE would be sweet!
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From what I've read about in all the hardware specs our device doesn't have the hardware for i.
I wouldn't mind being wrong! LTE would be sweet!
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I'm probably going to have to agree with you, unfortunately. However, T-Mobile recently sent a pamphlet to me with a provided "FAQ" section, claiming that all of their devices will be able to support the LTE. I just didn't believe it, hence the thread's conception. It wouldn't surprise me if I had missed the fine-print-three-font saying "*this excludes the Galaxy SIII". It's still a glimmer of hope, though.
I'll continue researching the matter.
All of their future devices maybe. As of now, the only phone T-Mo has that is LTE capable is the Note 2.
As stated, T-Mo will still support HSPA+ as well as they do now. Gives T-Mo the edge over AT&T from how I see it.
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All of their future devices maybe. As of now, the only phone T-Mo has that is LTE capable is the Note 2.
As stated, T-Mo will still support HSPA+ as well as they do now. Gives T-Mo the edge over AT&T from how I see it.
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It will give a boost for them. But I just did a speed test next to a Verizon LTE device and I blew it away. Best it by123 kilobytes
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Our devices may be able to support lte depending on the frequency T-Mobile uses for it.
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Here's a pic to kind of show what the network will look like after refarming and LTE deployment is complete. Our S3s or any other phone that can use the 1900 band shouldn't take any performance hit. In fact, as newer devices are released with LTE support (and after deployment) it will reduce the number of hspa+ devices, leaving even more bandwidth available for hspa use.
It has been confirmed and questioned a number of times, but the T999 radio is not capable of using LTE. Besides, LTE is still far enough off that most of us probably won't see it in our areas till after we've upgraded to a newer phone.
But in the meantime if your areas been upgraded to hspa+42, you may already see speeds that rival current LTE offerings by competitors.
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Our devices may be able to support lte depending on the frequency T-Mobile uses for it.
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Not an LTE chip in this phone. T999 is not capable in any way of LTE.
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So I was in a tmobile store today and was told that both the note II and Gs3 will receive a software patch to enable the lte radio. Asked the question like 10 different ways as I've read online that the gs3 will NOT be let cab able.
the internal phone workings are a little above my head...but i was told that the tmobile sg3 is the same as say the att model which does have the lte radio,
So, does that sound right that the SG3 is future proof and will be able to enable LTE?
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So I was in a tmobile store today and was told that both the note II and Gs3 will receive a software patch to enable the lte radio. Asked the question like 10 different ways as I've read online that the gs3 will NOT be let cab able.
the internal phone workings are a little above my head...but i was told that the tmobile sg3 is the same as say the att model which does have the lte radio,
So, does that sound right that the SG3 is future proof and will be able to enable LTE?
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The question I should have asked is if they are shipping different GS3's for tmobile now? But regardless they were so confident that it will (LTE) be enabled...wanted to ask the experts thx
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The question I should have asked is if they are shipping different GS3's for tmobile now? But regardless they were so confident that it will (LTE) be enabled...wanted to ask the experts thx
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when i worked at t mobile we were told that the galaxy s3 for t mobile has LTE radios, and that the device will support the LTE rollout. this was straight from corporate.
BOOM :highfive:
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when i worked at t mobile we were told that the galaxy s3 for t mobile has LTE radios, and that the device will support the LTE rollout. this was straight from corporate.
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and that was from day 1? Obviously there has been debate about this on this forum and people much smarter than I have agued that it will never get LTE...
do you remember if there is something that has to be enabled? Or if say where I live they activate the LTE tower, boom it will work?
Its been a while so I dont remember the details, but I am convinced that
1. We will NOTget LTE one our GS3.
2. It doesn't really matter. By the time the majority of us get LTE in our market, we will have moved on to an even better phone! Also, most of us will get hspa+42 soon which for now is more than sufficient for almost everyones needs.
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Its been a while so I dont remember the details, but I am convinced that
1. We will NOTget LTE one our GS3.
2. It doesn't really matter. By the time the majority of us get LTE in our market, we will have moved on to an even better phone! Also, most of us will get hspa+42 soon which for now is more than sufficient for almost everyones needs.
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I think these threads need to be shut down. There are a number of other threads exactly like this that holds the correct information. Thanks Doc
I agree with Doc, we'll probably be on better phones by the time we have decent LTE reception -- and I'm happy enough with the DC-HSPA+ modem.
IMHO, they will likely release a Galaxy S3 [4G] LTE as an interm between the S3 and the S4. WRT LTE, all I know is what I see on Wikipedia's snapdragon article. Which isn't very clear on details. Also numerous MSM8960 phones /w LTE exist but do we even know if it's on die, let along bothering to crack open an AT&T and T-Mobile GS3 for a little hardware compare?
So afye reading this I have a question.... if you guys are saying that our phones arent capable then why on my phone (running frosty jb v7) are there 2 system apps called LTESettings.apk and LTETest.apk??? Are these not for our phone and are just ther e due to it being a port? And if so can I safely remove them so they are taking away ram and battery? Thanks in advanced
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So afye reading this I have a question.... if you guys are saying that our phones arent capable then why on my phone (running frosty jb v7) are there 2 system apps called LTESettings.apk and LTETest.apk??? Are these not for our phone and are just ther e due to it being a port? And if so can I safely remove them so they are taking away ram and battery? Thanks in advanced
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They serve no purpose to our devices so yes you can remove them. Just in case, make a backup first. Like move them to memory card or something.
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They serve no purpose to our devices so yes you can remove them. Just in case, make a backup first. Like move them to memory card or something.
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Thanks I did so w/o issues
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By the time lte does roll out... The galaxy s4 will be out and most of us will switch to it. And I'm pretty sure the s4 will support lte
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By the time lte does roll out... The galaxy s4 will be out and most of us will switch to it. And I'm pretty sure the s4 will support lte
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It is dependent upon wether we have the hardware included I believe.
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It is dependent upon wether we have the hardware included I believe.
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Samsung would only fail if they didn't include lte hardware in the new galaxy s4 especially because it's being released after tmobile starts rolling out lte which is February 2013
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Maybe I am the only one. LTE is not very efficient. I am happy with 3g+++.Tmo 3g super sized is a very good system. My company provided LTE hot spot sucks bandwidth like no other. Be careful what you ask for.