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3G+ On Rhodium

Every once in a while, I will get the 3G+ Icon for my service. Is this 4G? I'm on AT&T and was wondering why I would get this Icon?

I get 3G+ on a different network too... It's not 4G for sure because my network doesn't have 4G

I think that means 3.5G or 3.75G .. may be !!

waeljimmy said:
I think that means 3.5G or 3.75G .. may be !!
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If you're on a stock ROM, it is likely an icon for HSPA service. This is basically 3.5G service. Most custom ROMs will have a "H" icon instead of 3G when this is the connection.

cajunflavoredbob said:
If you're on a stock ROM, it is likely an icon for HSPA service. This is basically 3.5G service. Most custom ROMs will have a "H" icon instead of 3G when this is the connection.
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Sometimes I get 3G+ and sometimes H... so I guess they mean something different.

Daved+ said:
Sometimes I get 3G+ and sometimes H... so I guess they mean something different.
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Which service provider do you use, and which ROM are you using?

cajunflavoredbob said:
Which service provider do you use, and which ROM are you using?
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I'm on Claro but I'm outside the US... And I use the JackOS rom.

Icons and network speeds can be sometimes confusing on Windows Mobile devices.
Unlike other branded devices, "3G" is 3.6Mbps (category 6 HSDPA) and "H" stands for 7.2Mbps (category 8 HSDPA).
I never saw a "3G+" icon. Maybe if you would post a screenshot I could help you further.
EDIT: @OP, no Rhodium doesn't support 4G (LTE) so no matter what icon you got it's definitely not 4G The first HTC device to support this was the HTC ThunderBolt (right?).

GT-I9250 Galaxy Nexua - Fido in Canada

Hi,
Might be one of a few having the galaxy nexus GT-I9250 in Canada.. I tuned on the phone and it found Fido and it worked. I get 3g and H on the signal bar. How do i k ow if I have hspa + or 4g lte on the phone? Will it show 4g or H+?
Speed test gets only around 1 meg down...
Fido and rogers are one, according to service map by rogers HSPA+ is in Ottawa and soon LTE. Will they prevent Fido users from 4g?
Any settings I have to enter on phone to get the higher speeds? Anyone in Canada has this working?
Thanks a lot for any insight u might have...
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forget LTE it will not work (for CDMA networks like Bell/Telus)
get the GSM version to work

The phone doesn't have LTE. It has GSM and HSPA+.
As far as speeds, you're going to have to talk to other Fido users in the same area and see their speeds (or other phones you own with the same SIM card). There may be some changes to the APNs you can do to increase speeds, again you're going to want to ask Fido users.

as for knowing how fast you are going
it's simply a matter of speed
in Canada normal H+ speed is around 8 Mbps down at best
if you seed speed that goes beyond 16 Mbps, you are most likely on "4G"
there's no real 4G if you check Wikipedia
all the current LTE / 4G technology are fake
they are more like 3.5G = H+, so "4G/LTE" is actually more like 3.75G
the real 4G is on WiMax radio which is not very popular in many places and phones

Is there a version that supports lte? All over web they say galaxy nexus lte...
If anyone lives in ottawa and has Fido, please share ur experience and settings.
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ssss25 said:
Is there a version that supports lte? All over web they say galaxy nexus lte...
If anyone lives in ottawa and has Fido, please share ur experience and settings.
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There is 1 version with LTE. And that is made for Verizon USA. You're probably only going to see the GSM/HSPA+ version in Canada.

Thanks all. OK, so hspa + I will forget about lte..
How do i know if my phone is connected to hspa+?
Will it has a plus sign on signal bar. If i go to settings, then about phone, then status. It shows the current connection, what should it be? Anybody has hspa+ can tell me what they see in status in setting and the signal icon on top?
I will be happy with around 8mb
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ssss25 said:
Thanks all. OK, so hspa + I will forget about lte..
How do i know if my phone is connected to hspa+?
Will it has a plus sign on signal bar. If i go to settings, then about phone, then status. It shows the current connection, what should it be? Anybody has hspa+ can tell me what they see in status in setting and the signal icon on top?
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So under connection it'll say "EDGE" on 2G, "UMTS" on 3G, and "HSDPA"/"HSPA+" on 3.5G/4G/H+ (depends what your carrier wants to call it).

i believe he was speaking about the ICON indicator on the status bar
it'll be either 3G in most areas, and in really go areas you'll see H+ or 4G depending on the ROM how it was coded for the signal quality strength
once you start flashing custom ROMs you'll notice that will change too, depending on the ROM Dev, it's all cosmetic eye candy
if you want to know the real deal install Open Signal from Market
it has a nice widget that tells you the true tower capacity

It fluctuates between
Umts:3 and hspa:11
The reason I ask about the plus is that there is hspa only.. no plus and i am not sure if the hspa:11 means plus or no plus.
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Allgamer thanks. On the icon, I get 3g and H on stock ics. No H+.

if there is no H+, then you are on 3G
ssss25 said:
Allgamer thanks. On the icon, I get 3g and H on stock ics. No H+.
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but H also means H+
just cosmetic again

ssss25 said:
Allgamer thanks. On the icon, I get 3g and H on stock ics. No H+.
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Like I said earlier, if under "status" you see UMTS then you're on 3g. If you see HSPA you're on "4g". What that means for speeds is up to Fido.
The ROM just has "H" icon I believe. You won't see H+.

First of all, Bell and Rogers are GSM networks and they support LTE, however the phone itself only supports HSPA+ 21mb/s. Only the CDMA Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus will support LTE.
Note: This is only as far as my knowledge extends to, and I don't accept any responsibility if anything goes wrong

Thanks for all the replies. I had a nexus one which only supports hspa, not hspa+ and i used to see Hspa there. That is why I was concerned if the hspa I am seeing is using the plus protocol which supports a much faster speed than hspa. This is why seeing an h only, or hspa in connection didn't give me a good feeling as i had it on my nexus one. Its the hspa+ that gives me the extra speed on the galaxy nexus and i wonders if its being used.
Thanks for all your help and comment guys.. I appreciate it

It seems like the Verizon LTE version will not work on Fido/Rogers or Bell/Telus (each of which seems to have their own LTE network)
If you want to do a good speed test while around the BC area, go to Whistler and then do a speedtest.net test (via the app).
I've had 6MB/s down on standard HSPA.

Thanks for the info.
I found that in ottawa if i use spedtest.net app I only get between 1 and 2. If I use open signal, another App on market, I get around 6mb/sec.
Thanks.

No 3g on sgh-t989?

Can someone let me know why my phone never shows 3g? Either it is showing 'E' or 4G. My nexus used to show 3G.
I am under the assumption that this sgh-t989 can connect to all those networks t-mobile has....
Thanks
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It might be because of the fact that everything being advertised now as '4G' is technically '3G.

8Fishes said:
It might be because of the fact that everything being advertised now as '4G' is technically '3G.
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Thats not true anymore.. the T-Mobile 4G network has been officially recognized as 4G along with WiMax and LTE. Happened a few months ago.
The reason your only seeing either E or 4G is because those are the networks you are near. And many people believe that T-Mo sets the software to show 4G in the 3G area to "lie".. personally depending where i am, I see 3G or 4G we dont have any edge left in my area any longer..
Either way does it really matter? I mean as long as you have a solid connection..

PJcastaldo said:
...The reason your only seeing either E or 4G is because those are the networks you are near...
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My friend's Nexus S shows 3G or H -depending on which tower it connects to? I don't know but it does show them at different times. we are still living in the same area. So, I am not so sure that they might have "phased out" the 3G. Confusing..
PJcastaldo said:
Either way does it really matter? I mean as long as you have a solid connection..
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Suppose it doesn't matter but, I'd rather get 4G > 3G > E, and in that order. As you know, 3G is definitely faster than E and not all markets/areas have been upgraded to 4G...

T-Mobiles "4G" is a boosted UMTS (3G) band per say which is HSDPA. As long as the market you live in supports HSPDA you will see a "4G". If not then you will see a "3G". If none of those you will see "E" for EDGE or "G" for GSM. To say that T-Mobile's "4G" is actually 4G is ridiculous.
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iLeopard said:
T-Mobiles "4G" is a boosted UMTS (3G) band per say which is HSDPA. As long as the market you live in supports HSPDA you will see a "4G". If not then you will see a "3G". If none of those you will see "E" for EDGE or "G" for GSM. To say that T-Mobile's "4G" is actually 4G is ridiculous.
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But T-Mobile's 4G is really fast. Lets not start bad mouthing here.

I get on average 18-20mbps on T-Mobiles "4G" here in South Florida. These speeds are absolutely horrible! Youtube videos are fully cached in seconds and i don't even get the buffering icon so I can sneeze or make sure my car is even being driven in the right direction! Someone should report them to the BBB!
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iLeopard said:
T-Mobiles "4G" is a boosted UMTS (3G) band per say which is HSDPA. As long as the market you live in supports HSPDA you will see a "4G". If not then you will see a "3G". If none of those you will see "E" for EDGE or "G" for GSM. To say that T-Mobile's "4G" is actually 4G is ridiculous.
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Then call it ridiculous because as of the end of last year the hspa + network was accepted as 4G. As well as wimax and LTE. Since previous non of these where "real " 4G.. 100mbps.
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tester420 said:
Can someone let me know why my phone never shows 3g? Either it is showing 'E' or 4G. My nexus used to show 3G.
I am under the assumption that this sgh-t989 can connect to all those networks t-mobile has....
Thanks
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Basically, if you live in an area with mixed coverage where there are 3g bands in addition to hspa plus (a form of 4g), you will see a mixture between 3g and 4g. However, in most areas the 3g bands have been upgraded to support 4g so the 4g > 3g > edge map has the 4g and 3g combined into 4g so you're not losing out on 3g time but rather are gaining 4g time.
Another explanation involves TMobile showing all 3g as 4g regardless of whether it is actually hspa plus or not. This would explain your friend's nexus s coverage changing. Personally, I only see a difference between 3g and 4g on specific roms which would indicate that TMobile does code their roms to label everything above edge as 4g.
Side note: H is the same as 4g as far as we are concerned. H means hspa plus whereas 4g if the more broad category that also includes lte and Wimax. It's like calling my car a ford fusion versus just a Ford. Neither is wrong.
Bottom line: you are not losing out on 3g coverage. At best, you are getting 4g in place of the 3g even when you should be getting 3g. At worst, you are getting both 4g and 3g but your phone is always telling you that you're on 4g

(Q) how come theres no 3g icon?

Im coming from sprint to tmobile where it was 3g and 4g thats it. No matter what option i pick in mobile network i get the 4g icon up top. Is there no 3g?
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With sprint they use evdo for 3g data, with tmo they use hspa+ which it technically is a 3g signal (upgraded to get near 4g speeds) they just call that 4g. Then on top of that they have lte which is true 4g. If you dont have lte in your area or you just turn off the lte radio you still get hspa+(hence why it says 4g).
Hope that helps

kanyewest said:
Im coming from sprint to tmobile where it was 3g and 4g thats it. No matter what option i pick in mobile network i get the 4g icon up top. Is there no 3g?
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T-Mobile will not display the 3G icon because it is set up that way, custom ROM's on T-Mobile will display that 3G and H+ icons, rest assured, when using 3G speeds, the phone automatically drops to it. Edge even E, sometimes G lol. My wife's Note2 does that, I have the S2 and rooted with a custom ROM and I can display all when used.

My i9300 has showed everything but "g", guess I'm one of the lucky ones who gets 4g in my area on this beast.

4G vs LTE?

I just got my H815 and I went to Cricket and when I left she had turned on Mobile Data which is good but I had an 'H', so I turn the Network mode to LTE Auto, top option, and it now says 4G, but I thought that it needs to say LTE for top speeds?
I remembered seeing LTE somewhere, but I can't find it again.
So even though it says 4G, am I getting LTE or? The APN seems to be set up correctly.. so?

Broth3rz said:
I just got my H815 and I went to Cricket and when I left she had turned on Mobile Data which is good but I had an 'H', so I turn the Network mode to LTE Auto, top option, and it now says 4G, but I thought that it needs to say LTE for top speeds?
I remembered seeing LTE somewhere, but I can't find it again.
So even though it says 4G, am I getting LTE or? The APN seems to be set up correctly.. so?
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It will automatically switch to 4G/4G+ mode when the signal is good enough (=LTE, but the display will show 4G or 4G+ for LTE Advanced). If you have "H" or "H+" shown it's because the 4G signal is bad in your area and would probably be slower than a good H/H+ reception

I concur. International unlocked models (like mine) still show 4G, even when you set everything up correctly. Rest assured, you ARE getting LTE, it just doesn't say so on the screen.

As long as your completely sure.... Where can I go to check my signal strength and check my speeds?
I'm only getting 2/5 bars... that's not good..

The signal strength can be checked via Settings -> System -> About phone -> Network. It will show you the mobile network type and signal strength.
As said before the LG G4 will not show "LTE" as icon, but only 4G and 4G+. Also unfortunately there is no option to set it to "LTE" only. Just only "GSM" and only "WDCMA" (at least for my H815 Euro)
See this pic and envy my signal

My Mobile Network Type shows LTE, but right now it's 4G , so I guess when I'm in a better spot, I"ll get 4G+ which is LTE... But as of now I'm only getting 4G because of my signal strength? Which that is -112 28asu.

Broth3rz said:
My Mobile Network Type shows LTE, but right now it's 4G , so I guess when I'm in a better spot, I"ll get 4G+ which is LTE... But as of now I'm only getting 4G because of my signal strength? Which that is -112 28asu.
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As said the icon "4G" is LTE, and "4G+" is LTE Advanced, which is faster than LTE

ktwo said:
As said the icon "4G" is LTE, and "4G+" is LTE Advanced, which is faster than LTE
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My dads phone, not the H815, shows LTE but is only shows 2/5 bars also. So I guess it just shows he's connected for LTE but is most likely getting only 4G?

Broth3rz said:
My dads phone, not the H815, shows LTE but is only shows 2/5 bars also. So I guess it just shows he's connected for LTE but is most likely getting only 4G?
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Dude, ill explain again, 4G and LTE is the same thing, it's just that every manufacturer might show a different name/icon on it's ROM, the G4 uses the "4G" and "4G+" icons. Some Samsung phones show LTE / LTE+ etc.
Its the same thing Which one you get depends on the backend technology, it's not said that every LTE backend also supports LTE Advanced, even if you are next to it-

Alright, I'll see how it performs. what are usually 4G speeds?

On cricket, 4G speed is 4mbps and their LTE is 8mbps. Not the speeds of AT&T, but we pay half the price so I take the slower speeds. Plenty fast enough for me.
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ktwo said:
Dude, ill explain again, 4G and LTE is the same thing, it's just that every manufacturer might show a different name/icon on it's ROM, the G4 uses the "4G" and "4G+" icons. Some Samsung phones show LTE / LTE+ etc.
Its the same thing Which one you get depends on the backend technology, it's not said that every LTE backend also supports LTE Advanced, even if you are next to it-
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For us picky folk (I'm one that wants to *see* the LTE icon) after root, what can we change the build.prop to to show the LTE on the H815? I know on AT&T branded phones, you add klteatt to the build.prop. Would it be the same to get that icon?

I dont think its that easy, im not sure but if the actual picture are not in the rom its not enough to change some config file, then you would have to replace the pictures in the apk containing them (that would be the easiest way). I personally like the 4G more though, since it scales better than 3 letters and is more readable

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I dont think its that easy, im not sure but if the actual picture are not in the rom its not enough to change some config file, then you would have to replace the pictures in the apk containing them (that would be the easiest way). I personally like the 4G more though, since it scales better than 3 letters and is more readable
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This is defined in systemui/values/bools. If <bool name="config_show4GForLTE">false</bool> then it shows the LTE icon. If it is true it shows 4G. As ktwo said in matter of speed these refer to the same network, same speed. There are some confusing infos here around...

same phone (815) in Irish Meteor network (meteor sim): shows 4G and 4G+, Polish Play network (play sim): LTE and LTE+, Polish T-Mobile/Era (Meteor sim roaming): LTE