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Hi All
Not sure if this is potentially a general problem or specific to my build of WM6..
I'm running Dutty's v2 of WM6 - all seems stable on the whole....
Except that if the battery power is at, or below 50% remaining.. when the phone shuts itself into standby & is left for an hour.... No matter what i press.. power button, tapping the screen etc... the phone refuses to wake up....! - (When the battery IS fuller... it DOES spring to life when you tap the power button on the side.)
The green signal light DOES remain flashing all the time though...
Even calling the phone doesn't kick it up the ass.... I just hear the ringing in the earpiece of my land line.. & the tytn remains silent!!
The only way to sort it out is to remove the battery & reboot - pretty crap!?
So is this a BUG? - & if so, something specific to Dutty's build on WM6, OR is this something more generic that other people with different OS's like 'Black' 2.5 or 3.01 are ALSO experiencing???
Your kind answers welcome.
Cheers,
Al
WOW, do a search. This is almost as bad as asking if WM6 is available for Hermes.
Thanks for your POINTLESS ANSWER!
I did a search, & all that is found is page after page of dross, with people saying "it might be this, it might be that... is it the radio version..? is it your storage card, is it too many apps in the background!? BLA BLA BLA
To save time... for all you no-patience types....
WM6 Dutty v2
My radio version: 1.40
storage card 2GB Sandisc... 250MB left, with Tom Tom 6 & European maps... only activated when manually run.
Any background programs like weatherpanel? - NONE
DO you know the Answer or not - YES or NO!?
Don't waste my life with cocky responces. - If there is a definitive SOLUTION, state it, instead of your pompous snobbery!
"Your kind answers welcome." - What's the point of even being polite to you people?
hypersonic said:
Thanks for your POINTLESS ANSWER!
I did a search, & all that is found is page after page of dross, with people saying "it might be this, it might be that... is it the radio version..? is it your storage card, is it too many apps in the background!? BLA BLA BLA
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Well if you found another thread......
hypersonic said:
Don't waste my life with cocky responces. - If there is a definitive SOLUTION, state it, instead of your pompous snobbery!
"Your kind answers welcome." - What's the point of even being polite to you people?
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Don't waste my time with a new thread to read.....MAYBE post your question in the ORIGINAL thread
wpbear - Reading the thread that i found does not offer up a definative solution.....
Is there one that you know of? - if so then just say it please.
I'm not some teenage snot noob, I'm a 37 year old professional, running a company... I have better & more important things to do with my life than trawl through pages & pages of threads.
Either answer my question with an answer that SOLVES it - or remain silent.
Thankyou
There are other threads on this matter, but no solution has been found yet.
All the WM6 roms I've tried have had this problem.
For me it happens 2/3 times a day if I set IMAP mail to check periodically.
I had this problem with every WM6 rom too. I solved it by disabling the auto download/sync with my IMAP email accounts. I set it to 'manual' to check for email, which is a pain, but my 8525 wakes up every time now. I used to have this problem several times per day regardless if I was going through different singal networks (as people said it was that problem)...also people said it was my memory card, it was not as it happened regardless if that was installed or not.
Once I stopped autodownloading and syncing of my IMAP email, all was fine. i hope this works for you.
This seems like a fairly major bug!
Activesync works fine. Shame you can't sync two exchange accounts over the air! It would be interesting to set up an IMAP server and look at the logs to see where it is getting stuck.
I found also that the mSD card made no difference.
Hmmm
Interesting, i DO have my Pop3 account to auto send/recieve every 10 mins.. I've just disabled it... & shall see what it does...
So this is looking like a WM6 generic bug.... I wonder if Black's 3.01 which is based upon a slightly newer core build from M$ has addressed this.... But i'll wait a while from updating my rom... as it seems pretty stable in all other areas.
Al
P.S . Thanks for the polite & informative replies!!!
It has the same problem and so does the latest LVSW.
It's a bit of a bummer actually! Not sure what to do about it!
Very common problem - no answer
This is the same problem that MANY of us have. I've read its possibly due to the Sandisk microcards (a Kingston is supposably more reliable,) but most people are reporting its due to email checking while the device is in Standby. It has NOT been corrected with the Latest ROMs or OS's. Good luck - if you find an answer let us all know!
hypersonic said:
wpbear - Reading the thread that i found does not offer up a definative solution.....
Is there one that you know of? - if so then just say it please.
I'm not some teenage snot noob, I'm a 37 year old professional, running a company... I have better & more important things to do with my life than trawl through pages & pages of threads.
Either answer my question with an answer that SOLVES it - or remain silent.
Thankyou
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Damn, where did I put that silver platter....
I think that mSD cards can cause the problem, but I've had it happen many times without a card in the slot.
My gut feeling is that something goes wrong while checking the IMAP mail. Remember that the machine is woken by a notification and is in a state where it is on, but the screen and sound are off. I have noted that activesync is much quicker at checking than IMAP. Perhaps it takes too long sometimes and thus becomes stuck.
By any chance are you locking the phone with 'Device Lock'?
My phone (on any version of WM) would lock up at least once per day.
I found that if I stopped locking the phone using device lock and just switched the phone into standby with the power button, it hasn't locked up since.
mitchg said:
This is the same problem that MANY of us have. I've read its possibly due to the Sandisk microcards (a Kingston is supposably more reliable,) but most people are reporting its due to email checking while the device is in Standby. It has NOT been corrected with the Latest ROMs or OS's. Good luck - if you find an answer let us all know!
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On my phone I have 100% connected this issue to leaving the WIFI on and letting the phone time out into standbye. While I do have the Taiwan 2GB Sandisc mSD card - the problem happens regardless of if the card is in the phone or not. The problem only ever occurs on my phone if I have the WIFI on and let it timeout. If the WIFI is disabled, it NEVER has this issue and if I manually put the phone into standbye (tapping off button) it almost never has this issue. With WIFI left on, I can expect my phone to freeze on average once or twice a day!
Now there may be many issues that cause this with differnt phones but this is what happens on my phone.
chymmylt said:
On my phone I have 100% connected this issue to leaving the WIFI on and letting the phone time out into standbye. While I do have the Taiwan 2GB Sandisc mSD card - the problem happens regardless of if the card is in the phone or not. The problem only ever occurs on my phone if I have the WIFI on and let it timeout. If the WIFI is disabled, it NEVER has this issue and if I manually put the phone into standbye (tapping off button) it almost never has this issue. With WIFI left on, I can expect my phone to freeze on average once or twice a day!
Now there may be many issues that cause this with differnt phones but this is what happens on my phone.
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I don't have the problem anymore, but when I did have it using different ROMs it was always when it timed out with WIFI on. Having read all the threads on the subject I to think there are several things which are causing it for different users.
mattlehrer said:
By any chance are you locking the phone with 'Device Lock'?
My phone (on any version of WM) would lock up at least once per day.
I found that if I stopped locking the phone using device lock and just switched the phone into standby with the power button, it hasn't locked up since.
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I saw the same problem on my old Prophet. The solution for that phone and it's AKU2.0 ROM was to set backlight and standby timeouts to the same value.
I've had this with:
WiFi off;
Email off;
Device lock off;
Power at 90%+.
And all of the above at the same time, hehe.
With computers, it can be something that appears completely unrelated, that causes the problem.
As an example, I once built a new machine (I've been a custom system builder for more years than I care to remember), that kept coming up with hard drive errors, massive hard drive failures, loss of partitions, you name it. Even with known good hard drives.
I changed the IDE controller. I changed the motherboard. I changed the memory. I changed the CD drive. I changed the powersupply. With all known good components.
Same errors.
I gave up, and went to bed to sleep on it (usually a very good idea when a problem is wearing you down).
In the morning, I realised that the only thing that I hadn't changed at least once, was the graphics card.
Yep, it was the graphics card that was persistently producing hard drive errors, hehe.
My guess is there's some sort of driver incompatibility (some companies have a very bad track record regarding their competence at supplying decent, compatible drivers), or clash with a couple of otherwise unrelated apps. Something like that.
My gut feeling hollers ATi driver (I think I have had more headaches caused by ATi drivers the last approx 20 years, than everything else put together).
Could well be wrong, but might give someone an area to start looking.
"Don't waste my time with a new thread to read.....MAYBE post your question in the ORIGINAL thread"
Thread title was clear enough.
Exercise discretion upon what you click.
It isn't compulsory.
You wasted far more of your own time by answering.
abubasim said:
I saw the same problem on my old Prophet. The solution for that phone and it's AKU2.0 ROM was to set backlight and standby timeouts to the same value.
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My Hermes has the same problem and only when the screen/buttons are locked. I will try to set the timeouts as you suggested and see what happens. It was not a problem in Black 2.0.
Hi
Regarding Wifi... I usuall have it off, unless i'm using it.... so it can't be that.
I disabled my mail account auto connection last night... & left the phone....
Now it WAS plugged into the charger, but upon clicking on the phone power button this morning, it DID come out of Standby!!!
However... as i noticed already, when the battery is full or over 50% it did seem to want to come out of standby.... only when the battery starts to run low, did it refuse to wake up...
I'll let the power run down today.. & let standby activate..... now that the email auto connect is disabled, if it DOES still fail when the battery is getting low... then we know it is something to do with the power...
If it DOES come on, with low power, then it will point towards the email problem...
"set backlight and standby timeouts to the same value." = Well this is an interesting little quirk..... I'll give it a try too. - Cheers
I'll let you know.
Al
My wife and I each purchased Tilt2's earlier this week. We both come from Windows Mobile 6.1 phones and are generally happy with WinMo products and comfortable with tweaking them.
We're both having some trouble with the Tilt2 and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help.
1) Bluetooth sound quality - we each use Bluetooth headsets and have noticed lots of crackling unless the phone is turned with the back facing the headset. This didn't happen with our previous phones (same headsets) unless we got 15-20 feet away from the phone.
2) Dropped calls - I've noticed a ton of dropped calls when I'm talking on the phone and driving along my normal work commute. There are 1-2 holes along the route where my previous phone would drop, but this one drops 5-6 times. I found these radio updates in the ROM forum. Would that help?
3) General performance - The phone seems a little bit laggy and slow to react. Nothing like what we saw in demo videos on sites like wmexperts.com. My wife even reports that hers has completely locked up on her before. And I've noticed a severe lag waiting for the phone to come back after I've flipped the keyboard out. I assume that installing a custom ROM would help with this as it's helped on previous phones we've owned. However, there isn't a 100% working AT&T ROM to revert to yet (only one that appears to work is missing radio and bootsplash at this point) in case the custom ROM doesn't perform better, so I'm a little leary of doing it. Should I be worried? Or will the custom ROMs here help get rid of the lagginess.
4) Switching to landscape mode - My wife told me that her phone isn't always switching to landscape mode. She doesn't have any apps installed yet so I'm assuming it's in all of the default screens. Should everything work in landscape mode?
Thanks in advance!
e_dogg said:
My wife and I each purchased Tilt2's earlier this week. We both come from Windows Mobile 6.1 phones and are generally happy with WinMo products and comfortable with tweaking them.
We're both having some trouble with the Tilt2 and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help.
1) Bluetooth sound quality - we each use Bluetooth headsets and have noticed lots of crackling unless the phone is turned with the back facing the headset. This didn't happen with our previous phones (same headsets) unless we got 15-20 feet away from the phone.
2) Dropped calls - I've noticed a ton of dropped calls when I'm talking on the phone and driving along my normal work commute. There are 1-2 holes along the route where my previous phone would drop, but this one drops 5-6 times. I found these radio updates in the ROM forum. Would that help?
3) General performance - The phone seems a little bit laggy and slow to react. Nothing like what we saw in demo videos on sites like wmexperts.com. My wife even reports that hers has completely locked up on her before. And I've noticed a severe lag waiting for the phone to come back after I've flipped the keyboard out. I assume that installing a custom ROM would help with this as it's helped on previous phones we've owned. However, there isn't a 100% working AT&T ROM to revert to yet (only one that appears to work is missing radio and bootsplash at this point) in case the custom ROM doesn't perform better, so I'm a little leary of doing it. Should I be worried? Or will the custom ROMs here help get rid of the lagginess.
4) Switching to landscape mode - My wife told me that her phone isn't always switching to landscape mode. She doesn't have any apps installed yet so I'm assuming it's in all of the default screens. Should everything work in landscape mode?
Thanks in advance!
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As for #4: Not all programs have a landscape mode natively.
jlczl said:
As for #4: Not all programs have a landscape mode natively.
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Thanks. I figured that she might be using an app that doesn't work in landscape since I haven't come across it yet.
Also, regarding #2, I should have mentioned that I have 4.48.25.20 as my current radio.
1) I use Jabra 2nd gen and mine is working great. A little crackling sound but nothing major.
2) Depend on the area you live and coverage, you might want to try different radio. I have stock radio and mine is working great. Better than my fuze was actually. I can get 1 or more bar than Fuze and call quality is super clear. No drop calls yet while I had like 2-3 drop calls with my fuze.
3) I am still running on stock rom and yes indeed it's slow and sluggish. I have to reset the phone physically sometimes. I am not too happy about moving the battery cover just to reset as well. With custom rom, the phone will be snappy since some people are running custom rom with their Tilt2 already. I am in the same boat as you. Waiting for the complete stock rom dump. Until then.
4) Not all the landscape work as you have already found out.
I use a BlueAnt and my BT reception is good.
I thought mine was slow at first but as I tweaked it a bit, turning off alerts and pop ups, it SEEMS to be more of what I expected.
Haven't had a dropped call issue.
But, I am thinking that I will flash the ROM when something comes along.
Thanks for the replies.
FWIW, my wife uses a Jawbone 2 and the crackling is noticable on both ends of the call. I use a first-gen Jawbone and have nocticed the crackling as well. It seems that it works better when the phone is on the same side of my body as the headset. I did not notice this crackling on my Dash and Blackjack 2 nor her Dash.
I think the dropped calls problem is definitely area related. My wife is currently out of town and it hasn't dropped her calls at all that I know of. And when I'm at home, it's no problem. It's just that on my regular commute, it drops 5-6 times where my previous Dash and Blackjack 2 only dropped once or twice occasionally. I've only made my commute once since I got the Tilt2, so maybe there were some coincidental network issues. That said, call quality has been very good.
I just turned off the new SMS notifications. I've also removed a couple of tabs that I know I'm never going to use (stocks, AT&T, and music) at that seems to have made things a little snappier too.
HAH! Not more than 1-2 minutes after I posted my last message (from my laptop), I went to use the internet connection on my Tilt2 and it locked up. A message appeared asking if I wanted to send error details to MS and then my phone turned off.
Another thing I've noticed is that Opera takes a *really* long time to switch from landscape to portrait. And it seems to be significantly slower than Opera Mini was on my Dash and Blackjack 2. Maybe because Opera Mini is Java-based on those platforms?
My wife is now reporting that her Tilt2 won't unlock unless she slides open the keyboard. Her Exchange connection requires the phone to automatically lock and require a PIN entry. I suggested tapping the power button but that doesn't wake it up, either.
Any suggestions? I'm thinking she might have a bum unit since mine isn't having nearly the trouble hers is.
As far as the lockups, I think there was a thread somewhere about that. Mine doesn't actually lock up but it hangs horribly. Give it 5min or so and it figures itself out, usually involves opening the keyboard at the same time it is launching something, sms in my case.
Suggestion? Hard reset hers and if it continues swap it out.
SoapDoctor said:
As far as the lockups, I think there was a thread somewhere about that. Mine doesn't actually lock up but it hangs horribly. Give it 5min or so and it figures itself out, usually involves opening the keyboard at the same time it is launching something, sms in my case.
Suggestion? Hard reset hers and if it continues swap it out.
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Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, she's out of town right now so I actually haven't seen the things she's complaining about first-hand (except for a couple of things that have happened on mine too).
I'll send her instructions for a hard reset and see if she's adventurous enough to try it on her own. The AT&T store near where she's at is exceptionally good - they really know Windows Mobile there and were a big help in getting the phone initially set up. So, worst case, she can go there and have them do it.
e_dogg said:
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, she's out of town right now so I actually haven't seen the things she's complaining about first-hand (except for a couple of things that have happened on mine too).
I'll send her instructions for a hard reset and see if she's adventurous enough to try it on her own. The AT&T store near where she's at is exceptionally good - they really know Windows Mobile there and were a big help in getting the phone initially set up. So, worst case, she can go there and have them do it.
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Don't run to fast with my advice, I'm a complete noob but hard reset would be the first thing I would try. It is a microsoft product after all and I'm pretty dman lazy to run to the store first.
FWIW- I have a Jawbone 2 and have cracking in the audio. Had it with my Fuze also and have always wondered if it was the headset or phone. I don't think I could keep my fuze in the holster because of the crackling.
I have some slight performance issues, but it's not to bad. Seems mostly relating to minimizing a program and starting a new one.
I have a strange problem with the TF3D photo tab. It's slow to get the image clear. I select an image and then try to scroll through them. It hangs on one, then flips it's orientation (I haven't moved the phone though). Anyone else have issues with the photo tab?
e_dogg said:
My wife and I each purchased Tilt2's earlier this week. We both come from Windows Mobile 6.1 phones and are generally happy with WinMo products and comfortable with tweaking them.
We're both having some trouble with the Tilt2 and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help.
3) General performance - The phone seems a little bit laggy and slow to react. Nothing like what we saw in demo videos on sites like wmexperts.com. My wife even reports that hers has completely locked up on her before. And I've noticed a severe lag waiting for the phone to come back after I've flipped the keyboard out. I assume that installing a custom ROM would help with this as it's helped on previous phones we've owned. However, there isn't a 100% working AT&T ROM to revert to yet (only one that appears to work is missing radio and bootsplash at this point) in case the custom ROM doesn't perform better, so I'm a little leary of doing it. Should I be worried? Or will the custom ROMs here help get rid of the lagginess.
4) Switching to landscape mode - My wife told me that her phone isn't always switching to landscape mode. She doesn't have any apps installed yet so I'm assuming it's in all of the default screens. Should everything work in landscape mode?
Thanks in advance!
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#3 I am running NRG ROM Photon date 10/17 and it is insane on my tilt 2. No radio change either. Stupid fast, eye candy, and never a dropped call or sluggish issues. Link below (5k plus thread, really read the first page to see the versions and Faq's)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553506
I'd like to add that I'm also having some issues with sound and response time.
My phone starts fresh with about 65% of resources used up. After regular phone/contacts usage for an hour I'm at around 70% and after Opera, the phone is done. I can browse or use file explorer or music but there goes the multi-tasking.
I haven't flashed a ROM yet. I just wanted to see what AT&T did with this thing 1st.
One more thing, why did they switch the FN and Shift keys? My brain is having a hard time getting used to it, especially when the shortcuts that require the Fn key are on the bottom row.
I can't really help you out too much, but I haven't been experiencing many of these problems at all, and I'm still on the stock rom, just cleaned it up a bit. Spend some time on the forums and you'll find some good quick hacks to try before you try a new rom.
superrrguy said:
I'd like to add that I'm also having some issues with sound and response time.
My phone starts fresh with about 65% of resources used up. After regular phone/contacts usage for an hour I'm at around 70% and after Opera, the phone is done. I can browse or use file explorer or music but there goes the multi-tasking.
I haven't flashed a ROM yet. I just wanted to see what AT&T did with this thing 1st.
One more thing, why did they switch the FN and Shift keys? My brain is having a hard time getting used to it, especially when the shortcuts that require the Fn key are on the bottom row.
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Touch FLO 3D uses up quite a bit of RAM. I unloaded it and restarted, and my phone is down from 65% to 49%. Unfortunately, I'm kind of liking Touch FLO 3D
Linear2202 said:
FWIW- I have a Jawbone 2 and have cracking in the audio. Had it with my Fuze also and have always wondered if it was the headset or phone. I don't think I could keep my fuze in the holster because of the crackling.
I have some slight performance issues, but it's not to bad. Seems mostly relating to minimizing a program and starting a new one.
I have a strange problem with the TF3D photo tab. It's slow to get the image clear. I select an image and then try to scroll through them. It hangs on one, then flips it's orientation (I haven't moved the phone though). Anyone else have issues with the photo tab?
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Good info about your Jawbone issues. I have an old Plantronics headset that I'm not really using anymore. Maybe I'll give that one a try to see if it's just that Jawbones don't like these new versions of HTC phones (it worked great on her Dash).
As for the photos tab, it seems to work ok. Though the first "flip" through the pictures seems to be slower than subsequent flips.
I found that hiding tabs I won't be using like the "AT&T" tab seems to help speed things up. I think I have 3 or 4 hidden.
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#3 I am running NRG ROM Photon date 10/17 and it is insane on my tilt 2. No radio change either. Stupid fast, eye candy, and never a dropped call or sluggish issues. Link below (5k plus thread, really read the first page to see the versions and Faq's)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553506
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Thanks - good to hear of your sucess with the NRG ROM. That's the one I'm planning on trying since I really like the 6.5.1 changes.
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Touch FLO 3D uses up quite a bit of RAM. I unloaded it and restarted, and my phone is down from 65% to 49%. Unfortunately, I'm kind of liking Touch FLO 3D
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Yeah, Touch FLO 3D sure is purty. And, now that I have the tabs sorted and hidden the way I like, it's very easy to use.
Just an update...the Energy ROM seems to have cured the dropped calls. With the stock AT&T ROM, calls dropped about 5-6 times on my regular commute. With the Energy ROM, not a single one!
Something that has happened to me now a few times...I get a call on the phone. Caller ID and picture show up fine. Screen turns off..later i turn the screen on and the phone number is not accurate any longer and the picture is gone..
Anyone had this happen to them?
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Something that has happened to me now a few times...I get a call on the phone. Caller ID and picture show up fine. Screen turns off..later i turn the screen on and the phone number is not accurate any longer and the picture is gone..
Anyone had this happen to them?
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Yep - happened quite often with the stock AT&T ROM. I don't recall seeing it after switching to the Energy ROM.
On the newest modaco .. i find the htc_ime is really laggy when texting it makes it so difficult to text sometimes ! Does anyone know any fixes for this ? Even when ive used taskiller to kill all the other tasks it is still so slow. Please don't advise better keyboard i didn't find it helpful.
wipe & reflash
I tried that .. nothing .. epic fail... do you get decent texting speed?
i had this prob with many of the 2.1 roms, a pause between typing would be seen as a long press. making texting a real ordeal
i went back to modaco 3.1
all is good now
Yes, many 2.1 ROMs have this lag, but none of the MoDaCo ROMs .. they work perfectly!
I know it sounds stupid, but are you sure you'r using MoDaCo 3.1? I have never had any lag on the ROM at all. Even the keypad/keyboard. Where as that was laggy on stock 1.5 Sense and all of the 2.1 roms. But since i flashed MoDaCo all is good.
I am possitive i am using 3.1 ... i have always had this problem its been so laggy texting like ... if i write three words it will only be half way through the first word when im finished and il be waiting and generally when you rush it gets confused and starts changing your words to weird longer ones.
thanks for the thoughts thought but keep them coming! Come on
Im using modaco 3.1 and the only time mine ever gets laggy which is very rare is when my wifi is on. Otherwise texting runs like a dream or hero excuse the pun. I have read by turning the "vibrate when typing" off in the settings helps supposedly to speed it up a little. Otherwise i recommend like others before me, to do a full wipe and reflash also backup any important files you need to keep i.e nandroid etc that u have on the sd card and format it. Also wipe ext 2 or ext 3 if you are using it. As I had to after installing 3.1 as i found it a bit laggy in areas. Good luck.
completely removed ext partition remade it installed rom and still same lag... havent even put old stuff back on simcard..
Try this, install and use Advanced Task Killer there's a free version in android Market. Maybe you have an app that is hogging all your cpu just kill that app and try your texting. Although you shouldn't have since u wiped. Unless u installed any apps after that. If no joy hopefully one of the experienced devs could help you. Hope you get it sorted.
Tried taskiller aswell as that one damn..
You're not alone! I too suffer from obscene lag when texting at times (running MCR 3.1). I can type 6 or 7 words before the first is displayed and then watch them slowly appear. I also suffer from typing a word and it'll either be in all caps or the first few letters will be caps and the rest lower case. Oh and it can take forever and a day to actually open a message or flick between them with the widget.
I have two solutions when this happens to me, first off is reboot the phone, that quite often solves the issue, at least for a while. The second solution is to delete some messages. It seems the more messages you have, the slower the messaging app reacts. I deleted just over 1400 messages this morning and seem to have gone back up to full speed.
One other thing to note, if you are receiving / have just received or are sending / just sent a message, the app will be quite slow, or at least it is for me.
Florida.
tried deleting all the messages etc i think its the HTC_IME itself and not the messages... anyone know anything about that?
i encountered typing to be a little laggy, found that the phone is low on resources. something is running at background causing the usage to be 99% but i can't find any apps doing that (btw, im using smart monitor). typing also lag in ak notepad
when i go online, everything seems back normal. it seems that the phone is running some update or trying to... after going online, the lag is gone
the lag will happen again after every phone reboot
Any developers know anything ?
Hey all,
I got my desire this morning, and i don't know if its just me, but everything takes a long time to load up e.g. time, weather, calendar, text messages, email apps.
Is anyone else having this problem, or should i return the phone.
Thanks for your help
i had a problem with the market on the first day. the market was very slow. after 1 day it is working as normal. maybe the phone need some time before everything is working fine
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cybapaddy said:
i had a problem with the market on the first day. the market was very slow. after 1 day it is working as normal. maybe the phone need some time before everything is working fine
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i wouldnt say so, it was and it is working fine for me, maybe perford a hard reset if that doesnt help get it replaced?
aypuk said:
Hey all,
I got my desire this morning, and i don't know if its just me, but everything takes a long time to load up e.g. time, weather, calendar, text messages, email apps.
Is anyone else having this problem, or should i return the phone.
Thanks for your help
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I think it depends on your perception of lag. I feel my device slows down momentarily sometimes when navigating through long lists and opening some applications as you mention. I thought at first it might be a problem with my device but have since had it replaced (because of dust under the screen not this) but I still notice it the same. I think I just expect everything to be instantaneous given the 1Ghz processor inside but to be honest it doesn't bother me and I imagine most people don't notice any slow down at all.
As an example, just now selecting the option to add the HTC Clock widget to the home screen there is a noticeable pause before it comes up with the options to choose widget style.
I would be interested in how quickly the Photos application loads for people though, it takes a good few seconds for me (around 4 seconds sometimes) to load the summary view with 'camera shots', 'all photos' links etc. I've replaced the memory card to an 8gb Sandisk Ultra as I thought the read speed of the original could be the cause, but it still takes the same time.
None of these things effect the usability of the device in practical terms though.
Market / Weather are possibly lagging due to Network speed rather than phone speed. They have to DL data to the phone.
Others like Email may be refreshing when opened causing lag.
My messages app (Handcent currently) only lags when I have many hundreds of messages saved. But it is noticably better than chomp at handling the same volume of messages.
I find the phone lags when it is installing stuff. And by lag I mean delayed responses to my input.
I also find that certain apps can load up and then cause the phone to stutter. I haven't found out exactly which apps but it's always solved with a soft reset - just turning the phone off and on. Either that or it's forcing the phone to store too much on the SD card.
Maybe I'll find the offending app when I have more time.
So here's a typical day with WP7.
Wake up, unplug phone from PC. I had left it to sync overnight, because for some reason Zune wasn't syncing a particular photos subfolder (1), so I removed the whole lot and resynced over 6,000 photos while I slept. Found the phone was only half-charged (2). Plugged it into the mains while I got ready for work.
Saw there was an update for Board Express Pro, downloaded it but it failed, as I'm using the trial (3).
As I left for work, I went to hit PLAY on my music, expecting to carry on listening to the music I had last night, but in the dropdown music controls, it displayed just a blank. So I had to reselect the album (4).
On the train, sat at the station waiting to leave, I went to access Game Chest: Logic Games to make my next chess move in the ongoing game against my wife. The phone spent ages starting up the game, then informed me, despite having a 3G connection, that it couldn't connect to the game (5). Tried two or three more times (6). No dice. Decided to try Alphajax, but on starting that up, it complained it couldn't obtain push notifications (7). It asked me to restart my phone, which I did (8). The restart got stuck at the "Windows Phone" splash screen for about two minutes - it normally takes a couple of seconds, so that was a worry (9). Eventually I got my home screen, so I went back into Alphajax and got the same message again (10). So no push updates any more for that game. Went back to my home screen and noticed that I'm also not getting tile updates for either Flixster (11) or Flickr (12). Decided to play a bit of Sudoku (Game Chest: Logic Games). I always use a bluetooth headset, and partway through the game something happened and the sounds stopped coming through (13). I had to go into SETTINGS and disconnect my headset, then reconnect to get it working again (14).
I went into Marketplace to look for an app to keep my ten-pin bowling scores in. I found a couple, but they both keep the scores on the phone with no way to sync to my PC or to the cloud, hence they're useless because if my phone breaks, gets stolen or hard resets itself, I stand to lose the entire bowling score history that I'd have inputted to the app (15). So I knocked up a spreadsheet and emailed it to my phone (no easy way to get it onto the phone (16)). When I opened the sheet on the phone, I found just about all the formatting had vanished and several of the centered headings were invisible (17). So I made up my mind to keep my scores in a notebook while bowling and enter them into a spreadsheet on my PC when I get home. So much for smartphones (18).
Now I'm at work, writing this, and have experienced 18 annoyances with my phone in the space of just four hours.
I am seriously starting to get sick of it.
I think I'm on the cusp of going to try out Android! Save me!
The fact is.. we are early adopters. Yes.
And we all know that we would have a problematic phone in our hands when we bought WP7. Then why did I buy this?
Because I was faithful that Microsoft was not going to blow it up. I thought MS was going to update, fix bugs, and try their best, since they have the nicest phone right now.
It's not the bugs that annoy me. It is the fact that the January update turns out to be an April update (yeah, we are 22 March and nothing until now).
And it doens't fix a quarter the problems that we can found in the list of bugs thread.
I share your pain and frustration.
Yesterday I caught myself looking at Nexus S. I'm worried ;/
Still.. since I've balls, I'll stand and wait some more for MS do something useful in this life (oh, yeah, they do sometimes.. Xbox, Win7..)
Don't abandon us!
I don't believe the phone charges while it is in the process of syncing over USB, only when it is in standby, it has been discussed a few times. If you just synced, obviously it accessed your music, so how can you expect it to have not prevented you from accessing it, it does that as a precautionary measure. The trial issue has been discussed a variety of times as well, It's been fixed in NoDo. The games and push notifications could be device specific, as you're the 3rd person I've seen mention this. I use my SkyDrive to move files, or email, I don't see how that isn't "easy." As far as the formatting, good luck finding perfect formatting on Android...
You see, there's no one thing with WP7 that in itself is enough to make me abandon it. It's just the daily grind of all those annoyances that continually grate on me. I'm always sat next to someone playing with their iPhone or Android or Blackberry and some of the time as I'm whizzing through WP7s tiles or playing with some jazzy app I can see them glance over at my phone....and then I'll almost inevitably come to an app that won't open and I'll have to reboot my phone to get it working and I can imagine them chuckling to themselves as I eat humble pie.
It. is. annoying. The potential is there but there are so many let-downs.
There is absolutely no need for this thread to turn into a flamewar.........
If you can offer a potential solution or any relevant information to the points raised by the OP then please dont be shy in putting them forward...
Anything else, dont bother.
That is all.
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There is absolutely no need for this thread to turn into a flamewar.........
If you can offer a potential solution or any relevant information to the points raised by the OP then please dont be shy in putting them forward...
Anything else, dont bother.
That is all.
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Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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Dude I was just teasing ya! Anyway I think you've missed the point of the thread. I'm not looking for individual fixes / excuses / workarounds etc etc to each of the individual points. My point is, that was a TYPICAL day spent with WP7, and that all these little things contribute to an overall feeling of malaise with the OS. I've tried to put across that I am a stalwart of WP7 - I have had many many WM5 / 6 / 6.1 / 6.5 phones over the years and went straight to WP7 and yes there is much to like, which is why I'm still clinging to it.
I really just want to guage the mood among other WP7 users - are they experiencing similar malaise to me or not? Is it just me?
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Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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That statement wasnt specifically directed at you. You'll notice that posts from multiple users have been deleted in an attempt to bring this thread back on topic.
Let me make this very clear to all concerened.
I expect the next post to be directly related to the isues raised by the OP.
Not discussing the drama this thread has already caused in its short lifespan.
NO MORE OFF TOPIC CHATTER PLEASE!
typical ?
is this a typical day of your phone usage ? I've seen the bug thread, but there aren't a whole lot of folks posting similar accounts of annoyances... there are threads, but not so many all at once, such a short span of time.
I wonder how long since your last reset, and if you reboot it daily, weekly, or just when it becomes unusable ?
id imagine it this is a typical experience that m$ is working pretty hard on it... with the update getting pushed back regularly.
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is this a typical day of your phone usage ?
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Sadly, yeah
I've seen the bug thread, but there aren't a whole lot of folks posting similar accounts of annoyances... there are threads, but not so many all at once, such a short span of time.
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It wasn't until I started writing them down that I realized just how many there were.
I wonder how long since your last reset, and if you reboot it daily, weekly, or just when it becomes unusable ?
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I did a hard reset a couple of weeks back to cure the push notification issue, but it has returned. I reboot my phone whenever an app asks me to or an app stops working or anything else goes wrong that a reboot might cure. On average, probably about once or twice per day.
id imagine it this is a typical experience that m$ is working pretty hard on it... with the update getting pushed back regularly.
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The delays in getting the bug fixes are all part of the overall feeling of "meh" I'm getting about WP7.
Obviously you're still very much in love with WP7, which is fine - I wish I was, too, but despite me evangelizing it to all my mates, deep down I don't feel anything like as good about it as I did in October last year.
Actually, I just remembered another thing that went wrong this morning - when I came out of the (constantly crashing) Comica app, the screen graphics went all ape**** and I had to reboot. Again.
To be honest, with this many issues I would be inclined to think that it's a device specific problem.
Do you have any kind of warranty you could claim on?
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I understand a lot of the little frustrations, especially with the update delays, but one thing that did stand out for me is the comment about stability... having to restart your phone to get basic functionality (app launching) going again. I very seldom (less than once a month) have needed to reboot my Focus to get some service or app going again. Some apps do have stability issues for me, but a reboot of the phone doesn't appear to be needed... I can simply relaunch the app in question after it returns to the start menu (sometimes I've had an issue where the app needs a couple of launches to sort itself out).
Are you using a WP7 device with a replaced microSD card, or a Samsung Focus with an added microSD card? The stability issues sound like something that I'd expect to see with a non-compliant microSD card, or some hardware issue with the device. I'm running a Samsung Focus with an added 16 GB card (Ridata, class 6 for the curious), and 20+ GB of space has been used on the phone since Dec., and my device sounds like it is far more stable than yours at the moment.
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To be honest, with this many issues I would be inclined to think that it's a device specific problem.
Do you have any kind of warranty you could claim on?
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Well yeah there's a warranty but most of the issues are either with apps or are known software issues.
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I understand a lot of the little frustrations, especially with the update delays, but one thing that did stand out for me is the comment about stability... having to restart your phone to get basic functionality (app launching) going again. I very seldom (less than once a month) have needed to reboot my Focus to get some service or app going again. Some apps do have stability issues for me, but a reboot of the phone doesn't appear to be needed... I can simply relaunch the app in question after it returns to the start menu (sometimes I've had an issue where the app needs a couple of launches to sort itself out).
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I usually try restarting the app at least three times before I reboot. Rebooting always fixes it.
Are you using a WP7 device with a replaced microSD card, or a Samsung Focus with an added microSD card? The stability issues sound like something that I'd expect to see with a non-compliant microSD card, or some hardware issue with the device. I'm running a Samsung Focus with an added 16 GB card (Ridata, class 6 for the curious), and 20+ GB of space has been used on the phone since Dec., and my device sounds like it is far more stable than yours at the moment.
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No it's an HD7 with the stock O2 ROM and stock 16GB card as supplied. I have done nothing to it.
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No it's an HD7 with the stock O2 ROM and stock 16GB card as supplied. I have done nothing to it.
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TBH, I think this is the main problem. HTC isn't exactly known for providing great SD cards with their devices.
I encountered similar issues on my HD7 but haven't seen them on either of the Omnia7's or Optimus7 currently available to me.
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TBH, I think this is the main problem. HTC isn't exactly known for providing great SD cards with their devices.
I encountered similar issues on my HD7 but haven't seen them on either of the Omnia7's or Optimus7 currently available to me.
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But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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I don't know for sure, but I reckon the OS gets bogged down over time. Either due to temporary files or running processes. I didn't investigate much myself as I returned the handset after about a week, but others with certain HTC devices (as well as some DVP owners) have said the problems go away by changing the SD card.
It may also be that it's fixed in NoDo as they have reworked the way memory is accessed. I did however see similar issues in the 7008 build on my Omnia7 - which made me revert to the standard 7004.
Hehe, WP7 is piling it on today. Just tried to download an app.
"Can't get this information at the moment. Check again in a little while."
*Sigh*
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But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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I think we dell venue pro owners are the experts on sd cards and WP7 The known problem with the DVP crashing when using wifi or returning from standby with a black screen is fixed for a lot of people who swapped their sd cards, though not all. For reasons we cant pinpoint WP7 is spectacularly picky about which cards it works with. I myself have tried 2 new cards and have not managed to solve the crashing problem on my DVP.
Quite possibly you are experiencing the same intolerance to certain sd cards on your HD7 as has affected the DVP and possibly a device swap could fix it. I certainly have not experienced the level of individual application failures you have, and that is with a known crash happy device.
I think I will wait for Nodo and see what happens after. There are some bugfixes in Nodo so you never know. Nodo must surely be coming in the next few days.....right?