It may be a noob question, but why does our device OC'd higher than other devices not outperform newer phones like the s4 or HTC One? Are there other factors that weigh in or is it Sammy doing something we can't undo?
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Different CPU architectures, and other parts so you cannot compare mhz vs mhz. Also depends on what you are testing exactly.
Outperformed by what comparison ???
Too many variables exist to compare anything. ..and benchmark scores do not count. ..
The best device is the one users enjoy the most. ...not the one that boasts about being "better" than it's rival competition. ..That is a marketing campaign. ..
The note 2 is not designed to be the main stream power phone. ..it is a unique niche device with nothing less than impressive specifications. ....and regardless of what the competition says, will run exceptionally well against any devices on the market who share the same production time frame, and similar hardware/software......g
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Outperformed by what comparison ???
Too many variables exist to compare anything. ..and benchmark scores do not count. ..
The best device is the one users enjoy the most. ...not the one that boasts about being "better" than it's rival competition. ..That is a marketing campaign. ..
The note 2 is not designed to be the main stream power phone. ..it is a unique niche device with nothing less than impressive specifications. ....and regardless of what the competition says, will run exceptionally well against any devices on the market who share the same production time frame, and similar hardware/software......g
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Note 2 is a power house its enjoyable. Any more power is just bragging right from here on out. For oc it has to do with heat dispensing, voltage the archatech the NM of the chip and of course software.
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It may be a noob question, but why does our device OC'd higher than other devices not outperform newer phones like the s4 or HTC One? Are there other factors that weigh in or is it Sammy doing something we can't undo?
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Just out of curiosity, by what measure is the S4 or HTC 1 outperforming the Note 2?
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Just out of curiosity, by what measure is the S4 or HTC 1 outperforming the Note 2?
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I know I'm going to get some heat for this, but quadrant scores are around 12750 whereas my note 2 has topped at around 8500...I'm not saying I can't do anything less on our device; I do enjoy having the highest performance of anything out there
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Your problem is that you're equating quadrant score with sheer performance. It's no like a dynometer that gives a accurate reading. Ie - if you took a brand new sports car and put it on a dyno it would spit out nearly identical hp and torque numbers test after test, but if you ran quadrant test after test you would get varying scores. I've had score differences of up to 400 points when I ran the test back to back. The same with antutu.
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Your problem is that you're equating quadrant score with sheer performance. It's no like a dynometer that gives a accurate reading. Ie - if you took a brand new sports car and put it on a dyno it would spit out nearly identical hp and torque numbers test after test, but if you ran quadrant test after test you would get varying scores. I've had score differences of up to 400 points when I ran the test back to back. The same with antutu.
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Haha, like I said, I knew I'd get get heat for that, and I realize benchmarks aren't the most accurate way of determining power and performance...but I do like the bragging rights of saying that mine is numerically higher. I know it's kind of wrong, but it's also fun to mess with the settings and find what combos get the best results which led me to this post. I was also more curious as to why even though our device clocked higher with otherwise similar specs still don't match up.
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There are too many variables in determining why your core running at 1.8 isn't outperforming another core running at 1.6.
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There are too many variables in determining why your core running at 1.8 isn't outperforming another core running at 1.6.
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I'm talking more about why our quad running at 2GHz is much lower than a quad running at 1.7 with completely different governers and other tweaks?
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You're asking the same question that I just answered. It doesn't matter the number of cores or the mH it's clocked at. There are too many variables to figure it out. Think about the different frameworks, the numerous system processes running, the apps installed, system apps, settings, tweaks... If you had identical devices running all the same stuff you would still get varying results.
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I'm talking more about why our quad running at 2GHz is much lower than a quad running at 1.7 with completely different governers and other tweaks?
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Its not so much the cpu that is the biggest change in quadrant its in the power of the gpu that the note 2 has a mali 400 while some models of the S4 have much more powerful gpu's
Does that even matter in Quadrant? If you have a device with vsync off then it will score much higher in GPU than the Note 2 with Vsync.
Also, if you are going to only focus on Benchmarks to compare, at least use a more decent test or various tests to get a broader perspective like 3DMark, Antutu and Vellamo.
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You're asking the same question that I just answered. It doesn't matter the number of cores or the mH it's clocked at. There are too many variables to figure it out. Think about the different frameworks, the numerous system processes running, the apps installed, system apps, settings, tweaks... If you had identical devices running all the same stuff you would still get varying results.
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But shouldn't they be in a similar range? Forgive me for the repetition, I just want to know a little more about the way this works.
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I think we have been pretty clear already so not sure what you are not understanding.
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I think we have been pretty clear already so not sure what you are not understanding.
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I think we have been pretty clear already so not sure what you are not understanding.
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I do understand now. I'm just being clear. My apologies.
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I was pulling 2500 on average with my Droid x running miui and clocked at 1.25 ghz.
Just checked my score in my new gnex and logged a whopping 1900 and change.
What is the deal with the quadrant scores on this device? I find it hard to believe my Droid x outperforms this nexus.
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It's probably because of the GPU tests. The Galaxy Nexus has to push 1280x720 versus your Droid X, so that's probably why you have a "lower" benchmark.
Either way, benchmarks don't translate well to real world experiences.
Thats what I score on my fascinate running JT1134's Team Hacksung ICS 4.0.3. Im pretty sure the quadrant app is not optimized to run on on ICS yet. Besides quadrant is pretty worthless...
Quadrant scores are meaning less.
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Quadrant scores are meaning less.
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What he said. Especially when Quadrant hasn't been updated in ages, not even optimized.
Benchmarks are meaningless.
Quadrant is soooooo out dated......in fact I dont even think it supports dual core cpus. Honestly just stop using it.
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Quadrant meh!
So what you're all saying is that I should keep using quadrant and treat it's scores as gospil?
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So what you're all saying is that I should keep using quadrant and treat it's scores as gospil?
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Quadrant knows all.
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So what you're all saying is that I should keep using quadrant and treat it's scores as gospil?
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I think the gist is that you shouldn't use quadrant. My gnex runs everything silky smooth, looks beautiful, and multitasks like a beast. I could care less what quadrant has to say about my device.
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Q 16: My Quadrant score is not as high as on different ROM. What does it mean?
A: It means absolutely nothing. Benchmarks on Android System are more or less lottery and they are not showing the real system performance.
There are many settings that can force Quadrant to show more then 3000 points but it's faked performance, that actually can slow down your phone in some circumstances.
What I always emphasize is a real performance, the one you can feel under your fingers. Remember that I/O has some limit and surpassing it shows just a numbers without true ratio.
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Quadrant is highly wacky and way unreliable. It is very succeptible to I/O tweaks. Keep in mind your Droid X probably had a kernel with a lot of tweaks, especially to the I/O system.
I'm running the Apex OC kernel and as you can see at 1.2ghz I get a score of 2116. OC'ed to 1.4 the score jumps to 2722. It's a non-linear increase and goes to show that you can't even rely on Quadrant on the same device much less across different devices!
Antutu is a better benchmark to gauge off of.
I get about 5800 on it.
My moto triumph (Qualcomm MSM8665 1ghz single core) was about 2800, and 3700 OC'd to 1.5ghz, so the numbers seem more believable to me.
How dare you all speak badly of quadrant. How dare you.
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However, if you put any trust in Quadrant scores you could use them to prove that dancing naked for 5 minutes in your garden affects device performance.
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QFT.
10char
http://tinyurl.com/6lu6uyk
Sounds alright. I like this phone. Lol
I didn't see this posted so thought others might want to read it.
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This will be more than likely true. Remember this phone is the biggest competitor to the Iphone so it will definitely be released with some amazing specs. Just like the galaxy s2 at the time.
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This will be more than likely true. Remember this phone is the biggest competitor to the Iphone so it will definitely be released with some amazing specs. Just like the galaxy s2 at the time.
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The GS2 is still the top phone (top 3 at least), except the screen (nexus+note > gs2) and CPU (nexus > gs2). Otherwise the GPU + storage capabilities exceed the nexus it's a close call
I think the GS2 has held its value better than any other smart phone that came out last year, which is an extremely good accomplishment in today's fast-growing market. Though, the GS2's reign will end soon with phones like the One X and GS3
What nexus cpu better than sg2 is that a joke? Sg2 Exynos atleast twice as better as ti omap cpu nexus has
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What nexus cpu better than sg2 is that a joke? Sg2 Exynos atleast twice as better as ti omap cpu nexus has
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No it isn't... someone didn't do their homework the omap is much better the sgx540 gpu is what kills the nexus
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No it isn't... someone didn't do their homework the omap is much better the sgx540 gpu is what kills the nexus
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Who told u that?
Have u seen benchmark score on both of them? Exynos score almost twice as much .
My friend has galaxy nexus my score is always double than his phone. He gets around 2200 and i get around 4200 on mine.
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Who told u that?
Have u seen benchmark score on both of them? Exynos score almost twice as much .
My friend has galaxy nexus my score is always double than his phone. He gets around 2200 and i get around 4200 on mine.
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Try bench marking the CPU only. Every benchmark the omap is almost or more than 1.5x as high
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Then I was Just reading and found this too. But like the author says take with a grain of salt.
http://tinyurl.com/7lu6nyq
But if true this would be so dope
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/19/alleged-exynos-5-specs-leaked-in-slide-show-spyshot/
lines up with with anandtech was saying back in november:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5169/samsung-exynos-5250-announced-cortexa15-2ghz-dualcore
if this stuff is even half true the sgs3 is going to be screaming.
Yeah I think it would be a bad ass phone. Really like looking ahead to see what companies are going to put into their phones. Seems like Samsung is doing a good job.
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Is this like that new up ad thing with a dual core CPU + a quad core gpu?
And it also seems like the CPU is twice as fast according to sammy
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Well well...that SoC in the 2nd links gets me feeling all fuzzy.
That GPU is intriguing...capable of directx11 support? Amazing...
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I have to say I am very imppressed by this phones processor out of every phone I had exynos is the best.I had the lg optimus g and couldnt deal with the random force closes and laginess. Best processor ever leave your comments on thid beast ass processor
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Hmm. I have the Optimus g too but I feel that it is a lot more faster than the note 2 I also have. Funny how everyone's experience is different
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Hmm. I have the Optimus g too but I feel that it is a lot more faster than the note 2 I also have. Funny how everyone's experience is different
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Your spell checker seems to be better as well
funnycreature said:
Your spell checker seems to be better as well
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more better
Haha thanks. I really just like the Optimus g.
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This phone has been silky smooth and gobbled up everything I've thrown at it. I was shocked at how much faster it is than my Nexus 7, and certainly faster than my Skyrocket.
The only thing that drives me nuts about the processor is the wake lag every time I turn it on from deep sleep. I'll learn to live with it, but this phone would be almost perfect if that were fixed (not including software tweaks).
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This phone has been silky smooth and gobbled up everything I've thrown at it. I was shocked at how much faster it is than my Nexus 7, and certainly faster than my Skyrocket.
The only thing that drives me nuts about the processor is the wake lag every time I turn it on from deep sleep. I'll learn to live with it, but this phone would be almost perfect if that were fixed (not including software tweaks).
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Yea well reducing the processor to that low of a clock speed is partly responsible for the crazy ass battery life of this phone. I'd rather have another millisecond of unlock time and gain several hours of battery life. Fine with me.
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i dunno about that... the Snapdragon S4 Pro is quite a beast... it's technically faster than this exynos...
i bet it comes down to software and how well it works with the hardware
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i dunno about that... the Snapdragon S4 Pro is quite a beast... it's technically faster than this exynos...
i bet it comes down to software and how well it works with the hardware
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Look at the Engadget review of the Nexus 4. The note 2 (exynos) beat the snapdragon s4 pro in 4/6 benchmarks and they felt like the exy was better in normal use and battery efficiency. Just look up Nexus 4 review on engadget- Nexus 4,Optimus G, note 2 are all compared. Look at the benchmark table. Note 2 wins 4/6.
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I love the power and speed of my note.... But seriously, benchmarks mean nothing to me. It's real life usage that matters. . Not an app that measures potential.
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I've never seen any huge advantage of the Exynos processors over any others, mainly because they are just stock ARM designs. If Samsung wanted to impress me, they would pay for an architecture license. The A6 is pretty hard to beat, given the performance AND battery life, and I really like my S4 Pro, although it is a bit of a juice hog.
The exynos is a heavily modified arm design, and apples a6 is very very similar to it.
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i dunno about that... the Snapdragon S4 Pro is quite a beast... it's technically faster than this exynos...
i bet it comes down to software and how well it works with the hardware
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That's why you see iphones perform very well despite the specs looking like they are lacking. The iphone 5 after playing with it is just as fast as my Note 2 but it's only dual core and clocked much lower. RAM is also lower.
Pretty sure the reason the a6 is as smooth or smother with lower specs is due to software optimization and the fact it uses 3 core gpu ( which everyone seems to leave out when they make these statements). That is where apple has done good.
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...The only thing that drives me nuts about the processor is the wake lag every time I turn it on from deep sleep. I'll learn to live with it, but this phone would be almost perfect if that were fixed (not including software tweaks).
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How long of a lag are you talking about? Are you sure it's not the home button lag from S Voice being enabled?
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Pretty sure the reason the a6 is as smooth or smother with lower specs is due to software optimization and the fact it uses 3 core gpu ( which everyone seems to leave out when they make these statements). That is where apple has done good.
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One area Apple has excelled in is GPU performance. I'm surprised Samsung doesn't push the limits in this area harder. I don't play games much myself but as you said it goes beyond just playing your favorite games on a phone.
Nexus 4 <3
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exynos is king right now (i'm ignoring apple, since it's not apples-to-apples, excuse the pun). exynos 5 is going to be ridiculous. actually it already is, inside the samsung chromebook.
Normally id say cant wait for the note 3 with the quad xenyos 5, but im happy with the note 2, and I hope they wait a year before releasing it. No more 6 month life cycles please
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The exynos is a heavily modified arm design, and apples a6 is very very similar to it.
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No, not even close. A6/A6X are heavily modified ARM, and Exynos is just tweaked stock. Samsung doesn't have the architecture license, last I checked. Apple does.
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I got to test the SGN2 last night and i have to say, I LOVE IT! I am getting myself this phone for Christmas. Anyway enough babbling...check out these scores from Antutu and Quadrant. Blew my 3D out of the water.
I totally love this phone. Running Sleshepic's ice reborn. I don't think there's anything that comes close to this thing.
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I totally love this phone. Running Sleshepic's ice reborn. I don't think there's anything that comes close to this thing.
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I used to root and run Roms but I feel that in some ways rooting almost shortens my phones life. I bought an Evo 3D and decided not to root and the phone runs great on stock ICS. And I do agree that this phone is topdog amongst the rest. Can't wait to get my hands on mine.
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I'm actually on the Note 2 right now.
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I used to root and run Roms but I feel that in some ways rooting almost shortens my phones life. I bought an Evo 3D and decided not to root and the phone runs great on stock ICS. And I do agree that this phone is topdog amongst the rest. Can't wait to get my hands on mine.
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2 years ago I got myself the Evo 4g, had it stock for the 1st year (because I didn't know about rooting) then I got the samsung galaxy tab 8.9. I wanted to use the tab at work & someone mentioned rooting for free wifi tether. Best thing I ever did. I got the flashing sickness. I would sometimes flash 4 to 5 roms a day. Now I have the amazing note2. Anyway, my Evo looks brand new, rooting it didn't harm it in the least. It made it a better phone. Now it's a media device. Just my 2ยข
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I had my mind set on getting the note 2 ever since I heard about it, but after watching a video on YouTube that compared the note 2 and the DNA, I'm not so sure. The video ran every benchmark that antutu has to offer and the DNA beat the note 2 in almost every test by a little. Also, the DNA has a larger resolution.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Benchnarks are relative. You dont know if its been overclocked or if one has a bunch of apps or services running. You have to look at the specs and see if its better. I ran both of these benchmarks after reading this and my phone had better results several times and worse results several times.
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I think you have a point. I noticed that the note 2 has a faster clock speed on it's CPU but thought that perhaps the make of the CPU alone could make a difference in performance (Intel CPUs vs AMD CPUs for example).
In regards to resolution, has anyone seen the difference between the note 2 and the HTC DNA? I don't think the video review does a good job of showing the picture quality of each phone.
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I think you have a point. I noticed that the note 2 has a faster clock speed on it's CPU but thought that perhaps the make of the CPU alone could make a difference in performance (Intel CPUs vs AMD CPUs for example).
In regards to resolution, has anyone seen the difference between the note 2 and the HTC DNA? I don't think the video review does a good job of showing the picture quality of each phone.
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I have played with both devices and while the DNA is a nice device it does feel sluggish at times especialy when hopping in between different open programs.
As for the display, its all about user preference. I prefer the Note for the vibrant colors. The DNA seemed a little crisper but it also bothered my eyes after staring at it for awhile.
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I have played with both devices and while the DNA is a nice device it does feel sluggish at times especialy when hopping in between different open programs.
As for the display, its all about user preference. I prefer the Note for the vibrant colors. The DNA seemed a little crisper but it also bothered my eyes after staring at it for awhile.
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Very helpful! I tend to multitask when using my phone so i'm leaning back toward the note 2, especially since it has that multi window feature.
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My scores
Edit: I thought this was the verizon section sorry
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seromba said:
I had my mind set on getting the note 2 ever since I heard about it, but after watching a video on YouTube that compared the note 2 and the DNA, I'm not so sure. The video ran every benchmark that antutu has to offer and the DNA beat the note 2 in almost every test by a little. Also, the DNA has a larger resolution.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Um, the GN2 has an s pen. Is there any comparison?
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I think you're doing yourself a serious disservice if you make your decision based on benchmark scores from either one of these apps.
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Um, the GN2 has an s pen. Is there any comparison?
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I believe there is a comparison between the two phones as they are both rather large phones and leaders in performance.
I personally don't consider the s pen the note 2's defining characteristic (although I can see why some would). The s pen aside, the note 2 is a beast of a phone. I think of the s pen as an added bonus, similar to my Samsung Epic 4g's slide out keyboard.
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I think you're doing yourself a serious disservice if you make your decision based on benchmark scores from either one of these apps.
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These would be the least of the things I would use to consider a new phone. I was just running these and was suprised at the score. I've been set on this phone for a while. And if I don't get it, ill probably consider another HTC. I love the sense.
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I always find myself messing with the benchmark apps of Quadrant and Antutu, it does do a good comparison. And for those who say some times it is slower and sometimes higher.. When you run a car/motorcycle on the dyno or quarter mile don't you also get higher and lower results? It may not be the most concrete comparison system but it isn't garbage.(not saying anyone in HERE called it garbage but have heard it in other places). Anyways for a 7600 score on quadrant what were you running for clock speed min max, the gpu settings etc. I noticed you were on the Venum Ice reborn ROM. it is Odexed, aren't those supposed to be faster?
Also how do the fellas on top of the Antutu boards running the Gn2 run the test at resolutions of like 720x8 and other crazy res's like that?
I had a couple real low 7k quadrant runs but they got wiped flashing ROM's and not saving it. but here's what I do have.
Its rumored that the S4 and N3 will have Exynos 5 Octa CPU, Mali-T658 (8-Core) GPU, 2GB of RAM . Is this harware good enough to run PS2 emulator and Xbox 1 emulator?
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What you have now is more than enough. Exynos four is plenty powerful
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Are there any PS2/XBox emulators
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If the s4 is coming out next month, then maybe they won't have the 8 core chip yet. To soon to make it to market
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An 8 core!? That freaking ridiculous. A battery life on the phone would last as long as me running... (I don't like running)
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An 8 core!? That freaking ridiculous. A battery life on the phone would last as long as me running... (I don't like running)
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That's what everyone said about a quad core. Yet here we are.
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big.LITTLE does not activate all eight cores at the same time towards a task.
You will either get quad-core Cortex-A15 performance (heavy loads) or quad-core Cortex-A7 performance (light loads).
Gaming system emulation is limited by the CPU, not the GPU. The Exynos 5 will be a step up but probably not enough.
Wont effect battery life as long as propper governors are set and the batter is atleast 2700 (I now thats smaller than ours but so will the entire sg4 compared to the gn2)... inter-processor fluidity, gui, screen size, android version, etc should better battery life as well
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Like I said. You do understand that these telephones pack enough processing power if not more than the original PS had. Probably. I haven't actually checked but I'm pretty sure Thad note 3 will handle emulating ten year old games....
The question that should be being asked is if someone can develop an emulator that isn't buggy as hell
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The entire purpose of the octa core is to improve battery. When the device doesn't need to run at high power the second 4 cores a low power arm 7 will take over. The are saying it will improve battery by 70%. I will have to see that to believe it but if they say 70% I bet we can count on gaining at least 40% which would be awesome.
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PhxDroid86 said:
Are there any PS2/XBox emulators
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Not yet, but im hoping for development with the upcoming hardware from Samsung and LG
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I just can't wait for KLP. I was reading they are going to optimize it for quad core cpu's and will also do allot of battery optimization. This phone here, the Note 2 is a beast of a phone as it is. The battery life is great, the screen is amazing and I've been using the s-pen more and more and I like it much more then I thought I would.
Yeah the S4 will be nice but the Note 3, that will be amazing. Kinda like the s3 then the Note 2 comes out with better everything and a much better screen. I can't handle pen tile screens.
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Also, if you look at the USA s3, is dual core and it still packs more then enough power. That's why when KLP comes out and we get it rolled out to us. Our battery life will be even better then it is now since it will be quad core optimized.
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Gaming emulation still requires power since it's running on another Os. A reason you don't see xbox 360 or ps3 emulations atm.
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KLP on the note 2 will be amazing and ive been playing with the spen lately its fun never thought id use it but its pretty fun to use