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[Q] Nandroid back up/Titanium backup questions

So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?

Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1

techdude54 said:
Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1
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In what situation would i use titanium back up with a rooted evo?

Titanium backs up your app and data from your phone. I am rooted and I use it when I need it, when I want to re install apps when I switch roms.
Using my HTC Evo phone which I'm using Xda app to post

evo4gfan said:
So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?
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Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.

honeyBfly said:
Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?

evo4gfan said:
okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?
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Yes
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1

honeyBfly said:
Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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I use Titanium Backup for backing up data and restoring it on a new ROM a lot. Before I flash a new ROM I always do a complete Titanium Backup and a nandroid backup. If the flash fails I restore from my nandroid backup and if the flash works I load my apps back with Titanium Backup (that way all my saved data on things like games is there and I don't have to start over).
I will caution against doing a restore of everything on a new ROM though (mostly a problem if you're going from something like a stock Evo based ROM to a AOSP ROM). I've had some issues when I restored a few system files (accounts database for example). If you stick with installable applications you shouldn't run into any trouble though (also I've had no problems restoring my call log and text message database).

When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.

Tuffgong4 said:
When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.
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I didn't know that, thanks for the tip.

[Q] New EVO coming...restore nandroid??

ok so here's my situation....my EVO has a loose charging port and the power button is failing so i took it to sprint and they ordered me a new one...so i figured i would just nandroid when the new phone got here after re-rooting it and i would be good...but then i got to thinking that when i downgraded my hboot version from .97 to .76 i couldnt restore my previous backup because i switched versions...and i plan to root using the unrevoked method and i would assume they would install the lastest version of CWM witch would make my backup unusable right??...
Basically i just need to know if i would be able to restore my backup from my memory card right after i root it or if i need to jump through some hoops to do it...or if i just need to flash CM7 clean and start all over, which i would rather not do...so if anyone can give me an answer it would be much appreciated and i will give said person a kiss *muah*....hahaha
thanks in advance

I'm 99% sure that this would not work...nandroids have to be from the same phone, not just same phone specs/firmware

Even if your recovery would allow you to restore the backup, I wouldn't do it. You run the risk of restoring the wimax partition from the old phone on the new one, essentially borking your wimax. I could be wrong, though.
I would backup all of your user apps + data with Titanium Backup, skip the system stuff. Make sure you've synced everything to Google. Gather the rom you like & any addons, then run unrevoked. After it's done, flashing, restoring, and setting back up shouldn't take too long.

exactly what plainjane said!

Ok I guess I get that...but would I be able to advance restore just my data after flash my rom and kernel?...so I have my apps and data in less than 5 mins?
Sent from my nightly EVO

Vinchenzop said:
I'm 99% sure that this would not work...nandroids have to be from the same phone, not just same phone specs/firmware
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+1 I tried restoring one of my Nandroid backups on my GFs rooted EVO....no go.

thebeast614 said:
Ok I guess I get that...but would I be able to advance restore just my data after flash my rom and kernel?...so I have my apps and data in less than 5 mins?
Sent from my nightly EVO
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Just be careful but this should be fine. You may be better off using an app like MyBackup *root* which is free in the market to backup your apps and app data.
I have used it to move apps from rom to rom, and a new phone would be no different.

For apps...back them up via titanium backup, and you can restore them to a new/different phone
For contacts...open your contacts/people app..while looking at your contacts, press menu and choose "export to sd". This will create a file in your sd called 00001.vcf which contains your contact list and can be restored through contacts/people on any rom
Root your new phone, flash whichever rom you want...put your old sd card into your new phone...install titanium backup and reinstall your backed-up apps. Open contacts/people... press menu, import from sd card. Profit

Vinchenzop said:
For apps...back them up via titanium backup, and you can restore them to a new/different phone
For contacts...open your contacts/people app..while looking at your contacts, press menu and choose "export to sd". This will create a file in your sd called 00001.vcf which contains your contact list and can be restored through contacts/people on any rom
Root your new phone, flash whichever rom you want...put your old sd card into your new phone...install titanium backup and reinstall your backed-up apps. Open contacts/people... press menu, import from sd card. Profit
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+1 What Vinchenzop said.

[Q] nandroid backups and custom roms

Hi I'm new to android and just bought the verizon Galaxy Nexus (came from the iPhone but regretted buying it just months after buying it) and the new terminology is really confusing. Now that I've familiarized myself with most terms, I have a couple questions about performing certain things.
My first question is: When is a nandroid backup needed, why, and how do you perform one?
second question: If I want to flash a custom ROM, what precautions should I take?
Im sorry if any of these questions have been asked but I could not find them anywhere in the development forum.

Nandroid back up is an exact copy of what ever ROM is currently running on your phone. I.e if you are still on stock ROM then you would make a Nandroid and flash back to stock if you had bugs in a custom ROM.
To make a Nandroid you must first Root the device and install ClockWorkMod (CWM), Once installed hold both volume buttons up and down at the same time an power on the device. Then using the volume keys go to Restore mode and hit the power button, Navigate to backups and restore and then hit back up, this will make a Nandroid.
Precautions to flashing a custom ROM - Make a Nandroid of the stock ROM and you can always flash back.

But i didn't understand a thing yet... If I have a Custom ROM and want to go back to the stock one, and i have a nandroid backup of the stock one, first i have to re-flash the stock rom or i can directly restore the nandroid backup when i've still installed the custom rom?

You can directly restore the nandroid backup. It will start you over at stock just how your phone was when you backed it up
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App

Maybe you should watch a few videos on Youtube to get a bit familiar with Android and a few basics

mklass said:
Nandroid back up is an exact copy of what ever ROM is currently running on your phone. I.e if you are still on stock ROM then you would make a Nandroid and flash back to stock if you had bugs in a custom ROM.
To make a Nandroid you must first Root the device and install ClockWorkMod (CWM), Once installed hold both volume buttons up and down at the same time an power on the device. Then using the volume keys go to Restore mode and hit the power button, Navigate to backups and restore and then hit back up, this will make a Nandroid.
Precautions to flashing a custom ROM - Make a Nandroid of the stock ROM and you can always flash back.
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Thanks for the very helpful response! Does a nandroid save absolutely everything? If not, what will I have to save manually? If I do a nandroid, is a titanium backup needed? The question above about having to revert back to the ROM before flashing the backup is interesting because I've heard that you must flash back to the previous ROM or you'll end up with a bricked phone...

azn android said:
Thanks for the very helpful response! Does a nandroid save absolutely everything? If not, what will I have to save manually? If I do a nandroid, is a titanium backup needed? The question above about having to revert back to the ROM before flashing the backup is interesting because I've heard that you must flash back to the previous ROM or you'll end up with a bricked phone...
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Yes indeed a Nandroid back up saves EVERYTHING to do with apps installed + login credentials, widget layouts, notification sounds an lights, Messages, recent calls and so on. It may be a wise move to make a copy of the Internal SDcard which I do just in-case because I'm not sure if the Nandroid backup saves the Internal SDcard as it is a non removable card.
Regarding reflashing - You simply just wipe systme, data, Cache and Davlik Cache and reflash the stock Nandroid over and your device will be back to stock ROM.
The only time I would use Titanium back up is when moving from one ROM to another. Each time you flash a new ROM its basically a fresh install and will not have any of your settings saved i.e Wi-fi passwords, wallpapers, wiget layout, icons and folders, Gmail/facebook/twitter account details. Although Google offer a basic backup for your Apps none of the login credentials will be saved.
I have 2 Nandroid backups - 1 is my stock ROM, the other is my Modaco Custom ROM. Every time I flash some thing new over my Madaco ROM i.e custom Mods like new power menu or new kernel, I make a new Nandroid back up and delete the previous one. That way you will always have an exact copy of the ROM just the way you like it.
Hope this helps

Ah makes sense thank you so much! I get the overall picture but small details such as these are needed! I'm sorry if I'm annoying you with all these questions but I have a couple more: how would I make a copy of my internal sd card? My other question is that will I only need titanium backup if I plan on using more than 2 ROM's? Because I'm still a bit confused about why you would need titanium backup if nandroid does the same thing.. If there is a guide about when to delete the cache or do a wipe and stuff, sending a link or explanation would be much appreciated!

Titanium backup and nandroid
Backing up internal SD card is by simply copy pasting everything on SD to PC, Nandroid backup is complete backup of everything, ie if you restore a nandroid backup you will get everything the same before backing up, but Titanium is backup of apps, messages and call registers or contacts, you cannot restore the apps, messages and contacts from nandroid to New ROM, but you can from Titanium. Just in simple you can make titanium backup in case you want to use new ROM with all apps you previously used or use nandroid if you want just to test a new ROM and revert back to previous,
please hit thanks if it helps you or correct me if I am wrong

Backup phone when flashing?

All,
I was wondering if there was a way to back up your Galaxy S3 applications and settings? I have been pretty happy with my CM10 build, but new ones of course always come out. Every time I flash and update the ROM, I have to manually install my Google play apps because I do not want all the apps i have downloaded back on my phone. Also, I did not know if i could backup like Nova/message settings and apply the backup every time I flash a new ROM? Thanks, let me know!

Pmart317 said:
All,
I was wondering if there was a way to back up your Galaxy S3 applications and settings? I have been pretty happy with my CM10 build, but new ones of course always come out. Every time I flash and update the ROM, I have to manually install my Google play apps because I do not want all the apps i have downloaded back on my phone. Also, I did not know if i could backup like Nova/message settings and apply the backup every time I flash a new ROM? Thanks, let me know!
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ok so when u full wipe your phone and all that good stuff and you also backed up already flash your rom! then go back to the nandriod you just made and choose to restore data... BOOM! all your data/apps/messaging is still there!!
If your tooo lazy to do that use titanium backup search it on the playstore!

Is a nandroid backup through Clockwork or any app that I need to download? It does not make sense if I backup my current ROM and restore its data. Where can I find this? Sorry I am new to this!

Pmart317 said:
Is a nandroid backup through Clockwork or any app that I need to download? It does not make sense if I backup my current ROM and restore its data. Where can I find this? Sorry I am new to this!
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The system (as in operating system) files are stored in the /system directory, this includes apps that are packaged with whatever ROM you are flashing. The /data directory is only user installed apps and their data, either from the market or other sources. I simply use titanium backup on a daily schedule backup my apps and also manually export my sms messages before a wipe. I also keep a copy of the titanium apk on my sd so i can copy it over to the the new ROM after flashing but before rebooting using a recovery based file manager. This way i can full wipe, flash, reboot, restore backups from titanium and be back to where i left off in under 10 minutes. It is also wise to keep a recent full nandroid backup just incase anything goes wrong during the process.

Thanks for respoding! Where do I go to make a nandroid backup? Titanium backup might be my best bet!

Pmart317 said:
Thanks for respoding! Where do I go to make a nandroid backup? Titanium backup might be my best bet!
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From your recovery.

Is there a way to copy the .apk over to my sdcard or do i have to download a file somewhere on the internet?

Pmart317 said:
Is there a way to copy the .apk over to my sdcard or do i have to download a file somewhere on the internet?
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I'm not getting your question what are you trying to say?

Pmart317 said:
Is there a way to copy the .apk over to my sdcard or do i have to download a file somewhere on the internet?
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If you are speaking of an app that is already installed on your phone then you can simply copy the .apk from the /data/app folder, unless it is a system app then it would be in /system/app.

Pmart317 said:
Thanks for respoding! Where do I go to make a nandroid backup? Titanium backup might be my best bet!
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jst do what i said above k so when u full wipe your phone and all that good stuff and you also backed up already flash your rom! then go back to the nandriod you just made and choose to restore data... BOOM! all your data/apps/messaging is still there!!
When it restores DATA it restores data from apps/games/ whatever data you have i always do this and i have all my messages and games still in my new rom

You have to install clock work mod recovery. To boot into cwm, hold volume up + power + home button as you are powering on your phone.
From there, go to backup and restore > backup. This should create a full backup of your data (settings etc.) but not things on your sdcard like music or pictures. To restore after flashing, go to cwm recovery > backup and restore > advanced restore > select your backup you made > /data
On another note, what's the difference between wiping (/data, /system /cache) > flashing rom > advanced restore /data and just flashing the new rom on top of old rom? Does the new rom not delete/overwrite the old ROMs files? Also, can you just wipe /system /cache and flash new rom? Sorry for hijacking thread. Lol..

[HELP] CM12 based ROM back to Stock Rom or Custom ROM

Good day!
I have been on CM12/CM12.5 and lately, I found out it's not working well for me. It's very buggy. I wanted to go back to either stock rom or one of the custom roms that I have, dr.Ketan v7 or Phoenix ROM 4.3. Is it possible? Can I request for a step by step instruction on how as this is quite new to me? Also, will my back-up (Super Back-up) SMS and Contact back-ups stored on my Internal Storage be erased once I flash the new ROM?
Thank you very much!

- Download new ROM and copy it to internal storage or sd card.
- Backup.
- Boot to recovery "twrp recommanded".
- Wipe ( Cache / System / Dilvik / Factory reset ).
- Then install zip , choose rom and flash it..
first boot may take minutes.... just wait it will boot..

Ba7rani said:
- Download new ROM and copy it to internal storage or sd card.
- Backup.
- Boot to recovery "twrp recommanded".
- Wipe ( Cache / System / Dilvik / Factory reset ).
- Then install zip , choose rom and flash it..
first boot may take minutes.... just wait it will boot..
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Dont it need any mj5 stuff? The procedure you mentioned are like the instructions in installing CM custom rom, is it really the same? no need for Odin or something? thanks!

If you have TWRP recovery installed in your phone no need for Odin. You can download a flashable zip to phone and flash it using the twrp. Also I would suggest you to backup your sms and contacts. Infact do a full nandroid backup with twrp so if anything goes wrong you can go back to you last working state.

manubhagat said:
If you have TWRP recovery installed in your phone no need for Odin. You can download a flashable zip to phone and flash it using the twrp. Also I would suggest you to backup your sms and contacts. Infact do a full nandroid backup with twrp so if anything goes wrong you can go back to you last working state.
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wow! great to know. I think that this will be easier. if I'll be making a full nandroid back-up, does it cover the SMS and contact? then i'll store it on my external SD card? or is it safe to store on my internal memory just like how my Super Back-up app works?
I know that this is a bit off-topic but, what's the best/recommended ROM for Note 2 outside CM?

rowtare said:
wow! great to know. I think that this will be easier. if I'll be making a full nandroid back-up, does it cover the SMS and contact? then i'll store it on my external SD card? or is it safe to store on my internal memory just like how my Super Back-up app works?
I know that this is a bit off-topic but, what's the best/recommended ROM for Note 2 outside CM?
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Yes it will cover SMS and contacts and I would recommend you store it on your SD card. I had tried DN4 rom which I liked, it had features like Note 4. Now I am also looking for another rom to try, will let you know once I do.

manubhagat said:
Yes it will cover SMS and contacts and I would recommend you store it on your SD card. I had tried DN4 rom which I liked, it had features like Note 4. Now I am also looking for another rom to try, will let you know once I do.
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sorry, will it also cover my files on my gallery? Would it also be redundant if I make a Titanium Pro back-up for my user app data then do a full nandroid back-up through TWRP Recovery mode? Thanks for accomodating all my questions! I'll look for the DN4 rom that you're referring to.

rowtare said:
sorry, will it also cover my files on my gallery? Would it also be redundant if I make a Titanium Pro back-up for my user app data then do a full nandroid back-up through TWRP Recovery mode? Thanks for accomodating all my questions! I'll look for the DN4 rom that you're referring to.
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Depends on options you choose while doing nandroid backups, from twrp you can backup system, data, boot, efs, storage (internal, external). If your gallery is on internal storage then do backup internal storage as well. But since you plan to install a different rom backup you gallery, sms, contacts and other important files elsewhere may be on a computer so later on you can copy it back.
Remember nandroid backup is complete backup of your phone current state including the rom & settings while Titanium is individual backup for apps. So when you have a new rom you might want to restore individual app data from Titanium. Nandroid is for scenarios where you device becomes unusable or you don't like the new rom so you can easily go back to last rom & settings.

manubhagat said:
Depends on options you choose while doing nandroid backups, from twrp you can backup system, data, boot, efs, storage (internal, external). If your gallery is on internal storage then do backup internal storage as well. But since you plan to install a different rom backup you gallery, sms, contacts and other important files elsewhere may be on a computer so later on you can copy it back.
Remember nandroid backup is complete backup of your phone current state including the rom & settings while Titanium is individual backup for apps. So when you have a new rom you might want to restore individual app data from Titanium. Nandroid is for scenarios where you device becomes unusable or you don't like the new rom so you can easily go back to last rom & settings.
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Thank you very much! will try your inputs! Appreciate everything. Now I'm torn between leaving CM12.1 to DN4 or stay for a while. Hope I could also figure out my daily driver.

Hi I successfuly flashed the DN4 rom from CM 12.1, however I tried to restore some files from my Nandroid back-up. however, when I tried to restore everything including data and system, it removed my ROM. what should be selected to be restore if I just want to restore my phone settings and SMS and contacts?

rowtare said:
Hi I successfuly flashed the DN4 rom from CM 12.1, however I tried to restore some files from my Nandroid back-up. however, when I tried to restore everything including data and system, it removed my ROM. what should be selected to be restore if I just want to restore my phone settings and SMS and contacts?
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Did you make a backup of sms and contacts using Titanium? If yes you can try restoring from it. Also if you have Titanium pro you can open the nandroid backup and choose selective things to restore but better and quick is to restore your Titanium backup.
Note, as mentioned in earlier if you restore complete nandroid backup it will return your phone to last ROM state.