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Worth getting Ion?

I figure this is the best place to ask considering you guys have the Ion already.
I currently have an Xperia S and will be getting an S2 soon aswell( just cause I don't like the look of the S3), but is it worth me getting rid of my SXS and getting this device instead?
I'm dubious whether to or not because I've had my phone right from when it came out and seeing as it was meant to be a flagship handset, it didn't live up to that and had nothing but problems. Mainly problems with tint, laggy and battery life. Are these problems present on the Ion?
How has the phone been for you lot so far? Any real plus points or big negatives?
Any feedback about this device from yous would be great in helping me.
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The ion is a really nice phone. I haven't had any lagging issues and the battery life has been better than I expected. The screen is gorgeous and everything works well. I know the ion isn't that much different from the S, but you'd have LTE, which is a good selling point. This phone flies on AT&T LTE.

It's good that it hasn't had any lagging issues yet, so at least that's an improvement.
The main thing I'm not liking about the Ion though, is that it's only running GB at the moment. That's disgraceful really, especially considering the lower end models from 2011 have got official ICS and unofficial JB. That's my main draw back to be honest.
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KidCarter93 said:
I figure this is the best place to ask considering you guys have the Ion already.
I currently have an Xperia S and will be getting an S2 soon aswell( just cause I don't like the look of the S3), but is it worth me getting rid of my SXS and getting this device instead?
I'm dubious whether to or not because I've had my phone right from when it came out and seeing as it was meant to be a flagship handset, it didn't live up to that and had nothing but problems. Mainly problems with tint, laggy and battery life. Are these problems present on the Ion?
How has the phone been for you lot so far? Any real plus points or big negatives?
Any feedback about this device from yous would be great in helping me.
Thanks in advance!
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I have the ion, Xperia S and Xperia P. The ion is a great device. Big beautiful screen, fast and smooth OS and the LTE is screaming fast. Camera is good as are most Sony cameras. No issues with tint like the Xperia S and I haven't experienced any lag on any of these phones (save for the general slowdown of ICS on the Xperia S compared to GB) Battery life isn't the greatest for me, but then again with the ion I find myself using it more because of its screen size. Don't use my ipad to look stuff up as much since I got the ion.
The HDMI out on all these new Xperias is outstanding and with a livedock or the ion dock you can turn the device into a gaming console or mini computer. The 16gb built in plus the ability to add a microSD card is great.
I don't consider it coming with GB a downside because Sony's GB is incredibly smooth and stable. These phones fly with their build of GB. ICS is coming soon (within the next three months maybe as soon as 2-3 weeks) and the devs at Sony are working to get JB out for these phones. (I have a friend that works at Sony and I know this for a fact, they really want to get JB out asap.)
There isn't much development on the ion right now but hopefully that will change soon. The device is still new. If you like Sony phones I think its a can't miss especially because of the LTE.
Out of the devices I have I tend to use the Xperia P and ion the most then Xperia S then Lumia 900. (Yes I do switch between all of them regularly) The P is a better version of the S IMHO and the ion is just a great big screen device.

On a complete contrast to you, I've found my Xperia S to be running a lot smoother on ICS and with only minor lag rarely, whereas I had a lot of lag on GB. I seem to have had that experience the exact opposite to everyone else I've spoken to who has this phone. Regarding battery life, as long as it's better than Xperia S then I really don't mind. I'm a really heavy user so obviously I can't expect it to last a full day with my amount of usage.
The main thing with me is that my minds split pretty much 50/50.
From the reviews I've read, YouTube videos I've watched and even from reading here on XDA, it does sound like a great choice of phone. No matter what, it's gotta be a step up from Xperia S anyway
But, with it taking a maximum of a few months just to get the ICS update, by then the Xperia Mint should be coming out soon after (according to leaks) which will supposedly have ICS on there with JB update available right away. Does that not make the Ion redundant in reality?
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KidCarter93 said:
On a complete contrast to you, I've found my Xperia S to be running a lot smoother on ICS and with only minor lag rarely, whereas I had a lot of lag on GB. I seem to have had that experience the exact opposite to everyone else I've spoken to who has this phone. Regarding battery life, as long as it's better than Xperia S then I really don't mind. I'm a really heavy user so obviously I can't expect it to last a full day with my amount of usage.
The main thing with me is that my minds split pretty much 50/50.
From the reviews I've read, YouTube videos I've watched and even from reading here on XDA, it does sound like a great choice of phone. No matter what, it's gotta be a step up from Xperia S anyway
But, with it taking a maximum of a few months just to get the ICS update, by then the Xperia Mint should be coming out soon after (according to leaks) which will supposedly have ICS on there with JB update available right away. Does that not make the Ion redundant in reality?
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Doubt the mint will have JB right away. The mint should be out in the US on AT&T in October/November with ICS.

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Doubt the mint will have JB right away. The mint should be out in the US on AT&T in October/November with ICS.
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I doubt it either but if we're right and it hasn't, then it just shows that Sony isn't doing a lot for their reliability than they were as SE because realistically, by the end of this year/start of next year, quite a few of the high end phones will be running JB. Included in that list should be all the flagship phones, which the mint is supposed to be.
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I doubt it either but if we're right and it hasn't, then it just shows that Sony isn't doing a lot for their reliability than they were as SE because realistically, by the end of this year/start of next year, quite a few of the high end phones will be running JB. Included in that list should be all the flagship phones, which the mint is supposed to be.
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Given the track record of all the manufacturers and carriers I seriously doubt many phones will be running JB by Jan if any other than the Nexus devices especially here in the US. Maybe 2-3 other phones but I just don't see any more than that. Look how long ALL the manufacturers took for ICS. Yeah JB isn't as big an upgrade from ICS as it was for ICS from GB but I still don't see it happening. Sony has been the best so far with at least keeping their customers informed and even releasing betas.

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Given the track record of all the manufacturers and carriers I seriously doubt many phones will be running JB by Jan if any other than the Nexus devices especially here in the US. Maybe 2-3 other phones but I just don't see any more than that. Look how long ALL the manufacturers took for ICS. Yeah JB isn't as big an upgrade from ICS as it was for ICS from GB but I still don't see it happening. Sony has been the best so far with at least keeping their customers informed and even releasing betas.
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You really think Sony are the best as far as updates? Yeah they've kept customers informed as to releases, but only to a minimal extent. At least from what I've noticed. They generally just say "next update due for Q1" for example and won't release it until Q3 or 4.
I understand that they'd rather wait a bit longer and bring out a fully optimized version rather than release a buggy version sooner, but with each phone Sony are bringing out, they're falling further and further behind. In my opinion at least.
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Any other company pushed out ICS to their entire 2011 line? (I know the play didn't get it but is a niche phone) when you compare them to Motorola, htc, Samsung yeh I think Sony does the best with updates.

Sony acro s - worth buying?

I love my defy, especially now with jelly bean CM10.
However acro s has just been released and it looks to offer the toughness of defy with a high end phone and camera.
Do you think it's with spending the money on or should I hold onto my defy for another year??
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Silverdace said:
I love my defy, especially now with jelly bean CM10.
However acro s has just been released and it looks to offer the toughness of defy with a high end phone and camera.
Do you think it's with spending the money on or should I hold onto my defy for another year??
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get the Xperia Acro S if :
1> the entirety of the design greatly appeals to you (it did on me)
2> you find the built - water-resistant and shock resistant - has some good use according to your lifestyle
3> the price range is acceptable
4>you're a big fan of Xperia (a "stick to it no matter what" kind of fan)
5>OS development and modding is not that important
but, consider looking somewhere else if :
1>OS upgrade, flashing, openness and OS development is important to you(you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
2>you value the online community support structure (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
3>you want those OS development delivered on a timely manner (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC) either official or the XDA way.
there you go, i hope these somehow help you make the right choice.

Thanks for the good advice.
For me there is a conflict. I need water resistance for use outdoors but have also enjoyed the roms, mods and tweaking. The defy was the best of both worlds. I don't think it's stayed on the same rom for more than a few weeks!. I've had it for almost two years now.
I don't know why Motorola haven't bought out a defy 2. Bigger screen, better camera etc. instead there's defy +, defy mini, defy XT, all of which are pretty much the same and not worth upgrading from defy.
I'm contemplating buying a galaxy nexus as an indoor phone and keeping my defy as my outdoor media and GPS. However the acro s looked like it would let me have just the one phone.
I'll wait I think for a month or so until there's good reviews of acro s out. Acro s is priced just above galaxy s3 here in new Zealand but only just released so will prob drop in price quick.
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Do you know what carrier it will be for? I live in America and i can only get Tmobile phones. I need a tough phone like the defy, everyday, but i want something more powerful like the acro s. The only other phone thats powerful from tmobile here is the galaxy s3 which my girlfriend has but she has to charge it 3 times a day and i think i would break it in a month on accident. Thanks.

tommyrumbler said:
get the Xperia Acro S if :
1> the entirety of the design greatly appeals to you (it did on me)
2> you find the built - water-resistant and shock resistant - has some good use according to your lifestyle
3> the price range is acceptable
4>you're a big fan of Xperia (a "stick to it no matter what" kind of fan)
5>OS development and modding is not that important
but, consider looking somewhere else if :
1>OS upgrade, flashing, openness and OS development is important to you(you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
2>you value the online community support structure (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC)
3>you want those OS development delivered on a timely manner (you're better off getting Samsung or HTC) either official or the XDA way.
there you go, i hope these somehow help you make the right choice.
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i think devs on XPERIA device is not bad..
FXP team did a good job, and ORGANIZED, yes organized to did their job.
they port CM to all 2011 Xperia device (yes, CM10 included).
my friend using Xperia Live and Xperia Neo, got a nice real smoooooth CM.
and developing atmoshpere there on both device is hot, not dead..
as long as kernel is unlocked, there's always a possibilities for devs to develop it.
and xperia has many devs too.
and did you know, SONY is a nice vendor for the devs.
SONY put a official page on their website, a nice how to step-by-step UNLOCK BOOTLOADER OFFICIALY..

i kept my eye on xperia acro s for two months now, and my next phone will definitely be this one. and i think the development of xperia devices is not bad, especially when they get cyanogenmod. and im quite sure this device will be officially supported by the cm team.
and i agree with marhensa, if the bootloader is unlocked, development is much easier, and sony makes their bootloaders unlockable.

And about official updates, Sony comes right next to nexus phones in official updates .. they updated almost all of the 2011 Xperia lineup to ics . Better late then never
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I would buy it but sony only release the xperia go in germany, but thats holy crab, nothing better then my defy.
So i keep my defy ad buy him in autumn a big brother, the nexus seven. So outdoor smartphone and daily using nexus 7

I'm waiting for this piece of hardware as well. Its for the exact reasons I bought my defy for and why I will hopefully never have to but a non ip67 phone again.
Sean

lets not forget that:
- the defy is not ip67 officially
- the acro s is ip57, not ip67
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marhensa said:
i think devs on XPERIA device is not bad..
FXP team did a good job, and ORGANIZED, yes organized to did their job.
they port CM to all 2011 Xperia device (yes, CM10 included).
my friend using Xperia Live and Xperia Neo, got a nice real smoooooth CM.
and developing atmoshpere there on both device is hot, not dead..
as long as kernel is unlocked, there's always a possibilities for devs to develop it.
and xperia has many devs too.
and did you know, SONY is a nice vendor for the devs.
SONY put a official page on their website, a nice how to step-by-step UNLOCK BOOTLOADER OFFICIALY..
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oh don't get me wrong there, bud. nothing about devs in general and here at XDA in particular.
my point being was - Sony's tough stance on keeping their phones superlocked - with bootloaders locked(and encrypted) in a way that makes it difficult for devs high and low to come up with diverse ROMs and mods, keeps the flashaholic community to a minimum level.
and yeah CM did very excellent (sorry for the double supras) job of porting ICS and even JB(in the works to most 2011 line). unlimited props to the team. and that was CM - not SE.compare it to both Samsung and HTC communities where in just a matter of weeks they'd have the ports ready and working, it took about what, a year for SE to brush in to the ICS bandwagon?..
also, look at the price range for an SE dual core device, almost up there with the far-quads.
talk about design, props to SE - i mean they make the loveliest phones out there. (exactly why i bought my ACRO HD).
i'm no big fan of SE - or any OEM for that matter - what matters to me is the experience i get out of a phone - or a device - or a product. And this is where SE loses big time to most big players year after year.
if my Acro HD has got better innard - like a quad maybe, this is going to be my phone for the next two years or so. no i'm highly tempted to get an S3.
again, please..don't tramp me just yet...i'm no hater.
and thanks for the reply. i appreciate being corrected constructively.

tommyrumbler said:
oh don't get me wrong there, bud. nothing about devs in general and here at XDA in particular.
my point being was - Sony's tough stance on keeping their phones superlocked - with bootloaders locked(and encrypted) in a way that makes it difficult for devs high and low to come up with diverse ROMs and mods, keeps the flashaholic community to a minimum level.
and yeah CM did very excellent (sorry for the double supras) job of porting ICS and even JB(in the works to most 2011 line). unlimited props to the team. and that was CM - not SE.compare it to both Samsung and HTC communities where in just a matter of weeks they'd have the ports ready and working, it took about what, a year for SE to brush in to the ICS bandwagon?..
also, look at the price range for an SE dual core device, almost up there with the far-quads.
talk about design, props to SE - i mean they make the loveliest phones out there. (exactly why i bought my ACRO HD).
i'm no big fan of SE - or any OEM for that matter - what matters to me is the experience i get out of a phone - or a device - or a product. And this is where SE loses big time to most big players year after year.
if my Acro HD has got better innard - like a quad maybe, this is going to be my phone for the next two years or so. no i'm highly tempted to get an S3.
again, please..don't tramp me just yet...i'm no hater.
and thanks for the reply. i appreciate being corrected constructively.
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umm, i never had an android powered sony, but ive tried many, and from my experience, their software is greatly optimised, their single core devices are almost as smooth as a dual core device. thats why i think its worth buying a dual core sony instead of any quad core for the same price. and the sony stock software is very good, good features, quick, smooth. and they unlock most of their devices afaik. so my next phone will definitely be a sony. i dont like samsung, not just the software, the hardware either. htc is too pricy, especially that i dont wanna use sense ui, and thats extra money. i will never again buy a motorola for what they did to us defy users, and lg i simply dont trust. that leaves sony, which i always liked.

zakoo2 said:
umm, i never had an android powered sony, but ive tried many, and from my experience, their software is greatly optimised, their single core devices are almost as smooth as a dual core device. thats why i think its worth buying a dual core sony instead of any quad core for the same price. and the sony stock software is very good, good features, quick, smooth. and they unlock most of their devices afaik. so my next phone will definitely be a sony. i dont like samsung, not just the software, the hardware either. htc is too pricy, especially that i dont wanna use sense ui, and thats extra money. i will never again buy a motorola for what they did to us defy users, and lg i simply dont trust. that leaves sony, which i always liked.
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my little brother has got a defy too.. he loved it to the point of learning android programming so he could max his device the way he want's it. i've had 6 other phones while he held on to it. and i know first hand how moto left everyone in the dark with their i-dont-care attitude.
if you're saying though that SE makes very good OS/software for their phones, then i'm not really sure why we're here on XDA.
back to SE - goodluck with your next device. i hope they make better phones in their next release.
i'm about to sell my AcroHD and get me one of those jelly-able device.

tommyrumbler said:
my little brother has got a defy too.. he loved it to the point of learning android programming so he could max his device the way he want's it. i've had 6 other phones while he held on to it. and i know first hand how moto left everyone in the dark with their i-dont-care attitude.
if you're saying though that SE makes very good OS/software for their phones, then i'm not really sure why we're here on XDA.
back to SE - goodluck with your next device. i hope they make better phones in their next release.
i'm about to sell my AcroHD and get me one of those jelly-able device.
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you misunderstood me, im not saying i want to stick to the stock sony sw, i just said that if i had to choose id choose sonys, but of course if theres a possibility to change to cm, i will be the first to go. and the acro s has nfc, hdmi, good hw, hd 4.3" display (anything above 4.3" is too big for me), and comes with ics, so it will definitely be updated to jb. so this is the perfect phone for me. the s3 with its 4.7" is waaay to big, and i dont like the look of it.

but guys..
sony is kindly gave OFFICIAL step bu step to unlock bootloader.
and after that, you know what..
the 2011 devices line up got CM by FXP..
it took so long to get CM is because bootloader isn't unlock at that time.
but after that, sony gives a new policy which is so good for any devs.
the warranty will get void of course, but that's a win win solution for devs + it's follower and company (sony)..
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I'm sure that Acro S is the best replacement for all Defy Owners , I think Quad-Core phones will eat up batteries.
For Samsung : I don't like their Plasticy devices that feels like a toy and Cheap construction and very easy to break ,but they have a big Dev community
For HTC and SONY they have a great build quality and nice dev followers but its a little bit over-priced
Acro S is the Up-coming phone unless HTC has released any IP57 or IP67 certified phones and i think all phones in the world should be IP57 cert

zakoo2 said:
lets not forget that:
- the defy is not ip67 officially
- the acro s is ip57, not ip67
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That one also baffles me ... What could possibly be the cause of the dust ingression protection level to decrease for acro S ...
Sony manages to maintain IP67 for Go ...
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AlexGraves said:
That one also baffles me ... What could possibly be the cause of the dust ingression protection level to decrease for acro S ...
Sony manages to maintain IP67 for Go ...
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the acro s is bigger, and just how it is with the defy, the acro s plugs are protected by tiny plastic doors. although i dont relly get how its protected from water and not from dust
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the acro s is bigger, and just how it is with the defy, the acro s plugs are protected by tiny plastic doors. although i dont relly get how its protected from water and not from dust
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Just wanted to point out that DEFY+ is IP67 certified. So, yeah, the DEFY maybe doesn't have the official badge, but it was just another marketing trick to make people believe they actually improved the phone in multiple ways (CPU, chipset, graphics, IP67 certificate...things are different on DEFY and DEFY+ according to Motorola), while they are actually the same.
To make sure I was on topic - I find the Xperia line-up very ugly. If a real DEFY 2 doesn't show, my next phone will be an ATRIX 2

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Just wanted to point out that DEFY+ is IP67 certified. So, yeah, the DEFY maybe doesn't have the official badge, but it was just another marketing trick to make people believe they actually improved the phone in multiple ways (CPU, chipset, graphics, IP67 certificate...things are different on DEFY and DEFY+ according to Motorola), while they are actually the same.
To make sure I was on topic - I find the Xperia line-up very ugly. If a real DEFY 2 doesn't show, my next phone will be an ATRIX 2
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i actually find the xperia line-up nice and elegant, and i swore never to buy motorola again...
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Xperia Arc S

So, i'm usin Samsung Nexus S at the moment, but i'm thinking to swap it for Arc S, Anyone can tellme is it a good desicion? Is Arc S good phone?
Thanks

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So, i'm usin Samsung Nexus S at the moment, but i'm thinking to swap it for Arc S, Anyone can tellme is it a good desicion? Is Arc S good phone?
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either go for xperia go or xperia arco s (which is upgraded model of arc s) or xperia p
xperia arc s is not outdated

vipul955 said:
either go for xperia go or xperia arco s (which is upgraded model of arc s) or xperia p
xperia arc s is not outdated
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what do you mean by xperia arc s is not outdated? I mean, is it a good phone?

Go for it...
Well, since you are posting in Xperia Arc/S subforum, I don't know how much "objective" answers you can get, but nevermind, here is my answer.
I bought my Arc S about month and 1/2 ago, and I'm ultra satisfied with this phone, design-wise and function-wise...
I was in love with this phone since it was announced, and now when I own one, I'm in love even more.
What you will get, is one of the most beautifully and originally designed phone on market, if not the most beautiful and original. I'm afraid that this is the last brave and risk-taking design in smartphone market, but only time will tell.
Hardware-wise, you will get a little bit outdated hardware (heh, who could imagine year ago that we will speak about 1.4GHz mobile processors as "outdated"), but capable enough to run Gingerbread ultra smoothly, and to run recent ICS updates tolerably fast. After all, you will have phone with official SONY branded ICS, and it will not feel outdated at all. I don't know how big your budget is, but my vote goes for Arc S, as it is killer design-wise, and to me it looks much better than new NXT Xperia 2012 line.

Its a nice phone :thumbup:

At the same price you can find a galaxy s 2...choose that, there is a really more active ROM development support...
Then I own an arc s...and for gaming is ****. The same games work flawlessly on the galaxy s 2...
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wuggy said:
So, i'm usin Samsung Nexus S at the moment, but i'm thinking to swap it for Arc S, Anyone can tellme is it a good desicion? Is Arc S good phone?
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Hey.. I also switched to SE from Nexus S.. And I can tell you, you wont be happy with Xperia 2011 family.. Its got the same hardware as Nexus S and is a bit outdated. Also the development is far less in these devices than we find in the Nexus Forum.. You'll better chose Galaxy Nexus which comes with the same price tag as the Arc/S..
Sent from the Underdog..

Pros: The best designed phone out there. No manufacturer (not even Sony) can come up with such a beauty ever again.
Music is great, Sound output is terrific and in-call sound is audible even in noisy environments.
OS look and feel is terrific and it offers plenty of features (DLNA, HDMI, built in panaroma) that many phones lack.
Cons: Hardware. The OS is painfully slow. Even gingerbread is not upto the mark. many on this forum have completely forgotten that the contact/messaging hangups occured in 2.3 as well. After ICS update, the phone became terribly laggy that we started believing that GB worked well. Trust me, once you fill up your phone memory with apps, the phone will die from inside! Ever wonder why people run after custom ROMS even though Sony's official UI offers more features?
Camera: Still camera is decent but the phone is just not made to shoot HD videos. Give it a pass. With ICS update, camera performance has degraded.
Final words. Go get yourself a phone with latest hardware. Sony Xperia S/P may not look as pretty from outside but they do exceptionally well from inside. The UI is new and phone supports many other features (All 3.5mm headphones are supported/NFC etc etc).
If your budget allows, try HTC One X, Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy S3.
Or wait for the 2012-13 series of Xperia phones with S4 processor.

romiltherock said:
Pros: The best designed phone out there. No manufacturer (not even Sony) can come up with such a beauty ever again.
Music is great, Sound output is terrific and in-call sound is audible even in noisy environments.
OS look and feel is terrific and it offers plenty of features (DLNA, HDMI, built in panaroma) that many phones lack.
Cons: Hardware. The OS is painfully slow. Even gingerbread is not upto the mark. many on this forum have completely forgotten that the contact/messaging hangups occured in 2.3 as well. After ICS update, the phone became terribly laggy that we started believing that GB worked well. Trust me, once you fill up your phone memory with apps, the phone will die from inside! Ever wonder why people run after custom ROMS even though Sony's official UI offers more features?
Camera: Still camera is decent but the phone is just not made to shoot HD videos. Give it a pass. With ICS update, camera performance has degraded.
Final words. Go get yourself a phone with latest hardware. Sony Xperia S/P may not look as pretty from outside but they do exceptionally well from inside. The UI is new and phone supports many other features (All 3.5mm headphones are supported/NFC etc etc).
If your budget allows, try HTC One X, Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy S3.
Or wait for the 2012-13 series of Xperia phones with S4 processor.
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Any Idea will there be 2012-13 Arc S? Cuz i really love the design Really hope

Keep the nexus
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wuggy said:
Any Idea will there be 2012-13 Arc S? Cuz i really love the design Really hope
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Looks like Sony have answered your/our prayers! the new Xperia line has arc design and better build quality and the benchmarks are now showing them as better performers than most flagships out there. The Dual Core S4 has an upper hand over Quad Cores. Go get yourself an Xperia T/TX. Xperia V is overpriced.
No one can beat Sony in design!

+1 , Xperia TX has the same design as Arc S (well at least it is curved as the Arc S) and its processor looks to be promising !!
Will be my next phone by the way, just waiting for it to reach the market ^^

I agree totally with everything you said,it might not be the newest phone but it's so customizable!!, keeping it up to date.
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do you usually play high requirement game such as blood&glory?
if so, arc s does not suit you

roy56120 said:
do you usually play high requirement game such as blood&glory?
if so, arc s does not suit you
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i don't really play much

Then go for Arc S. Problem solved...
You won't find prettier phone.

I have a newest Ics update and i's not slow or laggy. Camera quality compared to gb is better ( sony resolved over compression problem ), video is the same, only audio is worse cause mono but i's not a big difference. I'm not a game player so for me it's a decent upgrade after htc desire...
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JB 4.3 might appear on XS

Hello guys! I was wondering today why that annocement hasnt been considered here on Xperia S forum, while it makes such an impression on Xperia Z forum. Its all because of http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2013/07/25/on-android-jelly-bean-4-3/#more-9209 . It clearly says: "We’re also looking at uplifting some of our other devices running 4.1 direct to 4.3 – we’ll share more info / deets / timings when we can, so be sure to follow @sonymobileNews for all the latest.". Guys i got used to it that you owners of XS should actually be full of hope and pleasure hearing such words, but unfortunately you always blame on news that type, so please make exception this time and try NOT to blame on me for sharing this great news (yea, ive been here around for year with my lovely xperia s but i switched to xperia z a time ago)

Thats for Xperia T
Our drivers will not support 4.3

Yakandu said:
Thats for Xperia T
Our drivers will not support 4.3
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From what Ive heared qualcomm has abandoned drivers for S3 processor for android 4.2 but there were plans to provide drivers for 4.3, so wish you all good luck, cause as i said i expect negative reception from xperia s owners but also ive got a soft spot on xperia s forum as i spent here few minutes

What noticable will 4.3 will bring to us anyway? open gls 3.0 wont be compitable with the old outdated s3 chip,and i find bluetooth smart uselesss
by the way they probably ment the xperia t family......xperia s is pretty much dead for them

devilakos said:
What noticable will 4.3 will bring to us anyway? open gls 3.0 wont be compitable with the old outdated s3 chip,and i find bluetooth smart uselesss
by the way they probably ment the xperia t family......xperia s is pretty much dead for them
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I luv the way people here beg for updates and the same time call them useless. Ok, we're waiting for the next (surely) positive reception LOLA

Kondzioz said:
From what Ive heared qualcomm has abandoned drivers for S3 processor for android 4.2 but there were plans to provide drivers for 4.3, so wish you all good luck, cause as i said i expect negative reception from xperia s owners but also ive got a soft spot on xperia s forum as i spent here few minutes
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The "might" part of your post is just pure speculation unlikely to happen. Qualcomm EOL Snapdragon S3 chips.
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Dudes, DON'T, just DON'T.
We all know that our device will only get a JB Bug Fix Update and that's it, no more official updates.
Please, close this thread before some "I HATE YOU SONY", "I'M GOING BUY A NEXUS" appears.
Anyway, I'm going to buy a Honami at the end of the year, so I don't care.

x10 reloaded? skip x.2 and give x.3 would be too nice, but a proper 4.1 update would do the job as well.

A smooth non buggy 4.1.2 is perfect enough for me.
Its already smooth, Now just fix the bugs.

I think xsp have a chance to get 4.3, for xs i dont think so
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I think xsp have a chance to get 4.3, for xs i dont think so
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xsp has already confirmed by sony.
for xs. don't hope too much.

*cricket sound* My ion still hasn't receive the JellyBean ion yet...even it is out at some country yet Sony said it have been rolling out,but why so long I also don't know...maybe they stop the JellyBean 4.1 update and gonna skip it to 4.3
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UchihaDareNial said:
*cricket sound* My ion still hasn't receive the JellyBean ion yet...even it is out at some country yet Sony said it have been rolling out,but why so long I also don't know...maybe they stop the JellyBean 4.1 update and gonna skip it to 4.3
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Haha, I guess we can continue to dream on until the day Sony confirms the doomday of Xperia Ion/S/Acro S!
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One reason some old devices had so much development was the fact all the source code was available. Now Qualcom is unlikely to give the source code to the dev community but Sony may be able to so this could come to the S3 chip devices. Yes I am being optimistic but it could happen and would help Sony establish itself in the device world. I just wish they would focus on less devices and create some really good phones with a longer life span. I don't get the concept of build 12 devices every year. It seems you could build four and cut more cost in parts and save a ton in development cost.

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x10 reloaded? skip x.2 and give x.3 would be too nice, but a proper 4.1 update would do the job as well.
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Yea, Ive got the same situation in my mind as I was an owner of x10. Most of you guys dunno that x10 was running 1.6 then 2.1, then was said to be by SONY not efficient to run properly 2.2, but then they realised that it can run 2.3 smoothly- it was highly unexpected by anyone. Also x10 as i remember at first wasnt capable of using multitouch, but SONY also here surprised us and came up with multitouch few months after x10's release. I would say that most companies cannot afford to update every portfolio smartphone thay have with every android update i mean 4.0.X->4.1.X->4.2.X->4.3.X, but some of them are able to skip minor updays only for major one and so they do.
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HTC removed One S from their Android 4.2 update list because some models were with S3 processor.
There are very, very low chances (almost nonexistent) for official Android 4.3 for our Xperia's...
And that is not so much of Sony's fault, it's more Qualcoom... however, Xperia S had older processor even at the time of its launch so at the end it is Sony's fault
Guys, we have good 4.1.2 ROMs, some excellent and always progressing 4.2.2 ROMs, it is not so dark as you guys present it

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HTC removed One S from their Android 4.2 update list because some models were with S3 processor.
There are very, very low chances (almost nonexistent) for official Android 4.3 for our Xperia's...
And that is not so much of Sony's fault, it's more Qualcoom... however, Xperia S had older processor even at the time of its launch so at the end it is Sony's fault
Guys, we have good 4.1.2 ROMs, some excellent and always progressing 4.2.2 ROMs, it is not so dark as you guys present it
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What do you mean Sony's fault? You have the power to choose whether to buy Xperia S or not. Don't blame that on Sony.
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I'm guessing this thread has really said what 's got to say and those that have mentioned OpenGL ES 3.0 have really put the nails in the coffin on Android 4.3
Isn't there a thread in the general section dispelling even Android 4.2 updates from Sony for the XPERIA LT26i?
If Sony do a bang up job of getting this puppy to fly on Android 4.1.2, what more could we expect of a Snapdragon S3 MSM8260 chipset anyway.
And at the end of the day when the sun sets on the XPERIA S we have a bevy of excellent XDA developers that'll make sure the wheels don't fall off our trolley that is the XPERIA LT26i.
My XPERIA X10i (64GB MicroSD, 1.15GHz CPU, 1800mAh battery) is testament to that.

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What do you mean Sony's fault? You have the power to choose whether to buy Xperia S or not. Don't blame that on Sony.
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And I agre with you 100% for whenever to buy S or not. I just wanted to say that Sony decided which CPU will they put into their devices. They have chosen older generation. They didn't knew how long will Qualcoom support it and I think they didn't think they'll put som much time into upgrading 2012 Xperias.
But, to say Sony is completely innocent for not being able to provide 4.2 or 4.3 to Xperia S - I disagree.

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And I agre with you 100% for whenever to buy S or not. I just wanted to say that Sony decided which CPU will they put into their devices. They have chosen older generation. They didn't knew how long will Qualcoom support it and I think they didn't think they'll put som much time into upgrading 2012 Xperias.
But, to say Sony is completely innocent for not being able to provide 4.2 or 4.3 to Xperia S - I disagree.
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How is it Sony's fault Qualcomm didn't provide the CPU drivers? Xperia S is the first flagship of the ships launched early January. I know you have the urge that you must put the blame on someone, but do it correctly. This thread is about the direction and future of Xperia S and not "let's try to pinpoint and destroy Sony".
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[Information] Sony 4.3 , 4.4 Updates

So i decided to make this thread so people can read abou it...
It seems it is the end of the road for Sony xperia S
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2013/11/07/on-jelly-bean-4-3-kit-kat-4-4/

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But...Xperia ion doesn't even got proper jellybean 4.1.2 ...give us,Xperia ion user a 6.2.B.1.96 update T^T
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Hey, at least we received 3 major Android upgrades. This is ALMOST comparable to Galaxy Nexus which started off at 4.0 and ended 4.3. And you can't really blame Sony, Qualcomm didn't release new drivers for Snapdragon S3 SOCs.
I think it's time to move on, even Google is not updating the Galaxy Nexus even where its within the specification.

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Hey, at least we received 3 major Android upgrades. This is ALMOST comparable to Galaxy Nexus which started off at 4.0 and ended 4.3. And you can't really blame Sony, Qualcomm didn't release new drivers for Snapdragon S3 SOCs.
I think it's time to move on, even Google is not updating the Galaxy Nexus even where its within the specification.
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Ha ha.. sounds funny when u don't know the whole story.. Galaxy Nexus won't get 4.3 because Ti OMAP did what Qualcomm did to us.. Same thing.. No drivers from them.. So that being the main reason, Google covering it with 18 months reason.. Also pretty valid.. And for SONY which probably should have been released with 4.0 was released with 2.3, which they have done with all their flagships.. Z with 4.1 when 4.2 was already out, Z1 with 4.2 when 4.3 was out for months.. They are always a generation behind.. Hence we are forced to stay on 4.1.. Its like we only got 2 generations of OS.. Qualcomm might not have given drivers.. But 1 single person brought 4.2 and 4.3 for us, can't SONY, a big international NO.3 mobile company build one?? Lame reason i say.. Cheap parlor tricks.. We just have to fall for it..

as expected,we r left at 4.1.2 same as samsung cheap phones,whats the difference ? getting a flagship

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as expected,we r left at 4.1.2 same as samsung cheap phones,whats the difference ? getting a flagship
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Sony forcing us to sell our phones and never buy a sony product
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abdulkadiro said:
Sony forcing us to sell our phones and never buy a sony product
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for me my xperia s is not even a year old so i will use as it is or flash new custom roms.its not slouch yet.as kitkat requires low hardware specs,xperia s is more than enough :highfive: lets rock this phone until its death

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Sony forcing us to sell our phones and never buy a sony product
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Or <Sony forcing us to sell our phones and buy a newer sony product>
Of course I would be more than happy to hear about updating xperia s to 4.3 or 4.4, but it was never going to happen. And you know what? Thanks to developers such as @niaboc79 our xperia s is a great smartphone no matter how do you call the newest android version Maybe in a year from now I'll get xperia z1, z3 or z5, for now I'm really fully satisfied with what I have Of course there may be people who really need more power, more possibilities or more anything, and it's not a problem for me, but I think for average user our phone is still more than enough

cezarry said:
Or <Sony forcing us to sell our phones and buy a newer sony product>
Of course I would be more than happy to hear about updating xperia s to 4.3 or 4.4, but it was never going to happen. And you know what? Thanks to developers such as @niaboc79 our xperia s is a great smartphone no matter how do you call the newest android version Maybe in a year from now I'll get xperia z1, z3 or z5, for now I'm really fully satisfied with what I have Of course there may be people who really need more power, more possibilities or more anything, and it's not a problem for me, but I think for average user our phone is still more than enough
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You r absolutely correct bro :good::good:

cezarry said:
Or <Sony forcing us to sell our phones and buy a newer sony product>
Of course I would be more than happy to hear about updating xperia s to 4.3 or 4.4, but it was never going to happen. And you know what? Thanks to developers such as @niaboc79 our xperia s is a great smartphone no matter how do you call the newest android version Maybe in a year from now I'll get xperia z1, z3 or z5, for now I'm really fully satisfied with what I have Of course there may be people who really need more power, more possibilities or more anything, and it's not a problem for me, but I think for average user our phone is still more than enough
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even for heavy user and gamer,its more than enough.i checked the xperia z1 camera its not big deal breaker compared to our xperia s.just my only concern with this awesome xperia s is its mediocre batery life.cant last a day but its all because of my heavy usage.4.30 hours of screen on time

As some people have been saying we still have ROMS.
And yeah the only thing i complain more is the battery but it is still a great phone...

btw, just something that i am always curious. If sony cant get 4.2, 4.3 4.4 to work, why do other developer managed to get it work?

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as expected,we r left at 4.1.2 same as samsung cheap phones,whats the difference ? getting a flagship
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This is why I'm done with Sony, man. Only flagship that was on GB at the time. WTF?

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btw, just something that i am always curious. If sony cant get 4.2, 4.3 4.4 to work, why do other developer managed to get it work?
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Well i am no expert but this is my take, as some people are stating Qualcomm isn't releasing any more drivers so Sony can't deliver an 100% stable version, developers release the most stable version possible but with customized drivers (which may not be perfect)

Well I think we all saw this coming. Been a nice ride though and I for one don't plan on getting rid of my Ion any time soon. A boot unlock sure would be nice though.

To be quite honest if the devs and community are still intact like it is currently for this device then no amount of of sony's paid devs can achieve what has and is being acheieved.
I believe the support of this great community of SXS owners and dedicated devs have made this device so much better than what Sony i still believe cannot achieve.
So a big Shout out to all the DeVS as they have done a fantastic job to a device that had posed a challenge to them thanks
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Sony 4.3/4.4 ROMs are never going to happen for our devices. We'll just have to rely on custom ROMs and ports.

I prefer the new kitkat over any Sony ROM.
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From what I have seen the only thing kit kat brings is a way to stop locked boot loader devices from being hacked. Things are going to get allot harder and we may all find our self's saving up for unlocked devices now. Kinda sucks if you ask me.