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Duel Core Phones?

Hi,
There hasn't been much if any news about duel core WP7 devices. It would be nice if M$ or any of the manufactures would update us on their newer devices.

I don't know how the cores dueling is going to help performance but I'd like to see some 'duel' core phones too.
Dual core phones would be nice too

Phone Titan said:
Hi,
There hasn't been much if any news about duel core WP7 devices. It would be nice if M$ or any of the manufactures would update us on their newer devices.
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It would be nice if we could change the CPU like a desktop or laptop (that is not made by Apple obviously), unfortunately, that wouldn't be happening anytime soon.
Oh right, I have a feeling that we will see them when people actually care.

I still can't see why so many people keep talking about dual core phones.
There are no operating systems or even apps that would be able to utilise a dual core system, so there would be zero benefit.

What applications do you have that need dual cores?
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the_scotsman said:
I still can't see why so many people keep talking about dual core phones.
There are no operating systems or even apps that would be able to utilise a dual core system, so there would be zero benefit.
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Totally agree, that's my thoughts ;D I got Omnia7 for 600$ which is very low in my country, but those with dual cores will cost 200$ or even more, than I got my Omnia7. And the benefits from them? Now there are none

landwomble said:
What applications do you have that need dual cores?
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Only games for the most part. Imagine dual core right now like quad core for your computer.

It was said that the upcoming OS update would bring support to the Qualcomm 7x30 chip, which is an improved version of the current Snapdragon but unfortunately is not dual core.

canadariot2312 said:
Only games for the most part. Imagine dual core right now like quad core for your computer.
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There are no games created to be laggy on single core 1Ghz processor now. And Well, I don't want to play super duper games, that eat a lot of power, I have PSP and Computer for them. For simpler games, they work perfectly now

Eh, my single core runs WP7 games smoother than androids dual cores run their games mainly because of things like multi-tasking and improper use of hardware. I still dont think android has a game that can go toe to toe with ilomilo in terms of... well... anything amd it runs flawlessly.

Niiceg said:
There are no games created to be laggy on single core 1Ghz processor now. And Well, I don't want to play super duper games
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Really? Please do some research, as this is a topic that is full of BS lies. There are a lot of games that lag on 1ghz, especially the new ones.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, my single core runs WP7 games smoother than androids dual cores run their games mainly because of things like multi-tasking and improper use of hardware. I still dont think android has a game that can go toe to toe with ilomilo in terms of... well... anything amd it runs flawlessly.
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Your WP7 isn't even capable of running the new games, so how is that possible?

vetvito said:
Really? Please do some research, as this is a topic that is full of BS lies. There are a lot of games that lag on 1ghz, especially the new ones.
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On WP7? Well, I don't play need for speed and games that requires a lot resources, because that's why computers and PSPs are

vetvito said:
Your WP7 isn't even capable of running the new games, so how is that possible?
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What do you mean by "the new ones" because I have every game released with heavy graphics and the only slow point in the games is the initial startup which im ok with.

Niiceg said:
On WP7? Well, I don't play need for speed and games that requires a lot resources, because that's why computers and PSPs are
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Need for speed doesn't use a lot of resources.

z33dev33l said:
What do you mean by "the new ones" because I have every game released with heavy graphics and the only slow point in the games is the initial startup which im ok with.
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No you don't because they're not on WP7. IOS and Android only right now.

vetvito said:
Need for speed doesn't use a lot of resources.
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My mind was that I don't play games which uses a lot of resources, phones are not for them...

vetvito said:
No you don't because they're not on WP7. IOS and Android only right now.
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Like what? on android? the only playable game on there that doesnt have a port to WP7 is angry birds
Iphone of course has rage HD which is awesome but even ilomilo has better graphics than any android game and thats an early game. Best game on android that doesnt have a port aside from angry birds... probably dungeon hunter HD... graphics are about at par with my old sega saturn.

z33dev33l said:
Like what? on android? the only playable game on there that doesnt have a port to WP7 is angry birds
Iphone of course has rage HD which is awesome but even ilomilo has better graphics than any android game and thats an early game. Best game on android that doesnt have a port aside from angry birds... probably dungeon hunter HD... graphics are about at par with my old sega saturn.
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Yeah you're clueless. Try Dungeon Defenders along with a host of others.
Ilomo has better graphics? Who has the better gaming engine?
Please do some research, please.

vetvito said:
Yeah you're clueless. Try Dungeon Defenders along with a host of others.
Ilomo has better graphics? Who has the better gaming engine?
Please do some research, please.
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Honestly wasnt aware they finally released that. Android finally has something over WP7 in my opinion. That's cool really, i envy that game but meh, one game isnt going to sale me over a fluid user friendly UI but no sarcasm or anything I really am envious of that game and with windows and unreal being tied together so much I'd love to see a port. I guess I havent paid that much attention to android since that game was in it's beta stage.

play ps3 on epic

So, i don't have a tv. But I want to get a ps3. Can I play ps3 on my epic somehow?

Odds are, no, you will never be able to, the ps3 has a 3.6ghz 8 core processor, we have a single core 1ghz processor.

I believe he was asking if he could hook up his PS3 to his Epic somehow as it were the TV. (i.e. output the PS3's video to our Epics)
But to answer the question, based on my knowledge, no. We dnt even have TV out working, I doubt our Epic's would be capable to output an outside video source. Many of our Devs wouldn't find this convinient either, so I doubt any of them would attempt to find a way to do this
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iatedeadpeople said:
Odds are, no, you will never be able to, the ps3 has a 3.6ghz 8 core processor, we have a single core 1ghz processor.
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3.2Ghz not 3.6Ghz but yeah highly unlikely the only thing i can come up with would be like a remote play kinda like the PSP has?

why not connect your ps3 to your pc or laptop.. just go to a radioshack, bestbuy, or computer/electronics store and get the adapter. thats it. i've seen it done.

seanwn86 said:
So, i don't have a tv. But I want to get a ps3. Can I play ps3 on my epic somehow?
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Why not go to the market and get Onlive it contains playstation3 games such as dirt saints row3 etc etc xD.
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iatedeadpeople said:
Odds are, no, you will never be able to, the ps3 has a 3.6ghz 8 core processor, we have a single core 1ghz processor.
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Actually our processors are 1.2ghz but samsuck underclocks them stock.
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While it may/may not *exist* it could happen or be ported in the future. How much of a mammoth task that'll be to undertake is a different story.
How? The PS Vita will be an Android devices which will allow a function similar to this, how it works, we're still uncertain of, but say it's as simple as an APK, say that apk was decompiled, then a big fat MAYBE If we had that hypothetical apk ported over with the correct libs alongside it. THEN you'd see some sort of PS3 on your epic, optimized for portability. As someone else said, if you're looking for nice portable console graphics right now on your epic, onlive is the way to go for now.
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They probably do that so noone burns them out
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Biggoron said:
Actually our processors are 1.2ghz but samsuck underclocks them stock.
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They probably do it as a compromise to the terrible Qualcomm radio chips that love to overheat when your downloading 3g/4g or tethering.

dewayne25 said:
They probably do it as a compromise to the terrible Qualcomm radio chips that love to overheat when your downloading 3g/4g or tethering.
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Kinda but the main reason for them to under-clock em is that well they do it to most processors in phones. they mainly do it so they can save a bit more battery and to compromise with where the market was i mean think it about it. 1.2GHz in 2010? 2011? yes. they don't want to advance to much so yea.......... Some phones have overclock from the manufacturer lol. But most phones nowadays are rated higher but under-clocked.

Ceelos09 said:
I believe he was asking if he could hook up his PS3 to his Epic somehow as it were the TV. (i.e. output the PS3's video to our Epics)
But to answer the question, based on my knowledge, no. We dnt even have TV out working, I doubt our Epic's would be capable to output an outside video source. Many of our Devs wouldn't find this convinient either, so I doubt any of them would attempt to find a way to do this
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Correct.
androidmaster1 said:
why not connect your ps3 to your pc or laptop.. just go to a radioshack, bestbuy, or computer/electronics store and get the adapter. thats it. i've seen it done.
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No TV, and no computer
Biggoron said:
Why not go to the market and get Onlive it contains playstation3 games such as dirt saints row3 etc etc xD.
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I'll check it out, thanks
Shinydude100 said:
While it may/may not *exist* it could happen or be ported in the future. How much of a mammoth task that'll be to undertake is a different story.
How? The PS Vita will be an Android devices which will allow a function similar to this, how it works, we're still uncertain of, but say it's as simple as an APK, say that apk was decompiled, then a big fat MAYBE If we had that hypothetical apk ported over with the correct libs alongside it. THEN you'd see some sort of PS3 on your epic, optimized for portability. As someone else said, if you're looking for nice portable console graphics right now on your epic, onlive is the way to go for now.
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Yea the PS vita is what made me think of it. Interesting that it's Android based. Now if I could just get my psp sold...

Really???? The PSP Vita has a Quadcore Processor @ 1GHz (ARM® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core)), GPU: SGX543MP4+ (200MHz)
In a sense good luck trying to port something thats so demanding to something thats never apt up to those specs haha.
Maybe once we get phones that are quadcore yes we know we are going to get them but they need to perform at high levels and sustain a cool temp. for the gpu which will be hard as it is with even dual core.

XxLostSoulxX said:
Really???? The PSP Vita has a Quadcore Processor @ 1GHz (ARM® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core)), GPU: SGX543MP4+ (200MHz)
In a sense good luck trying to port something thats so demanding to something thats never apt up to those specs haha.
Maybe once we get phones that are quadcore yes we know we are going to get them but they need to perform at high levels and sustain a cool temp. for the gpu which will be hard as it is with even dual core.
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Where the hell have I been never even heard about the vita looks like I know what I'm gettin soon
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Biggoron said:
Where the hell have I been never even heard about the vita looks like I know what I'm gettin soon
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heres the playstion site about it, i got the chance to play with one but its not all that. The original Psp's were better except the PspGo that utterly sucked.
http://us.playstation.com/psvita/tech-specs/
And when i was playing around with it it was okay but a lot bigger than expected and the dual analog stick are alright but nothing to excited to get all happy about and the touch screen is mainly used only when not in a game, i mean i used during but it sucked not great for Shooters. And the lowdown is the newer XMB (Homescreen) isn't that great its more like someone threw icons on a table and said good luck finding stuff. because it seriously is all scrambled and you can slide up and down and yadadadada. The price for hardware is a good damn deal but for what its worth ehhhhhhhhhhh??? Not too sure on that.
PSP VITA:
1GHz Quad-Core A9
GPU is rated @ 200Mhz which is what are phones are stock and we have the ability to push it further
Multi-Touch Screen (OLED) (960 x 544) (5" Screen)
Dual analog sticks
Front and Rear Cameras
Built in GPS & WiFi
IEEE 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1+EDR (A2DP/AVRCP/HSP)
And other PSP VITA Versions:
$249.99 Has only WiFi
$299.99 Has 3G/WiFi
$349.99 Has a bundle kit with both 3G/Wifi
The 3G and WiFi version is AT&T's 3G Service
Also the PSP VITA is backwards compatibility and can play PS3 Games.
Regardless as a system its worth the money. As the UI goes its got some troubling issues haha. But can be fixed through an update im sure.
Only wished it had 4G too....BUMMER

Whatever I have my phone for the 3g why the hell would I need to spend 50-100 bucks more psh wifi hotspot ftw.
I love those hardware spec would love it more had they put an android os on or had possibility to. Id probably use it more for emulators most psp games are crap anyways and my phone can only handle 1.5ghz on n64 for so long.
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Biggoron said:
Whatever I have my phone for the 3g why the hell would I need to spend 50-100 bucks more psh wifi hotspot ftw.
I love those hardware spec would love it more had they put an android os on or had possibility to. Id probably use it more for emulators most psp games are crap anyways and my phone can only handle 1.5ghz on n64 for so long.
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Well like i said you can play ps3 games
So that's a big deal and your phone can only handle it for so long but this psp is a quad core it wont take so much pressure it has 4 cores to do work instead of pushing it to only one.
Plus so when your on the road and not near a WiFi Hotspot you can play like that instead of killing your phones battery just to play. plus its more reliable versus going through a tether.
Anyhow still a good product for the money but i wish the UI was a bit better and please PSP DEVS have more power than android does lol. I know because iv'e seen at first sight and hand. Regardless i'm sure they can put Android OS on it or whatever.

Wow I can oc my epic to 1.5ghz
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myerk2008 said:
Wow I can oc my epic to 1.5ghz
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You can overclock it to be quad core and have a better GPU? Our phone is single core. Quad core can run 4 threads at once...
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marcusant said:
You can overclock it to be quad core and have a better GPU? Our phone is single core. Quad core can run 4 threads at once...
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All we can do is have similar GPU clock rates but other than that we lose haha. Quadcore defintly wins unless we could overclock our phones to 5Ghz which would never happen lol

Tegra 3-based gaming console running Android

Slightly off topic considering it has little to do with the HTC One X and more to do with Tegra 3... but: caught this little gem yesterday http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
Basically it's a quad-core Tegra 3 board (I'm presuming it has the ninja core as well) with these features:
1GB of RAM
8GB of internal flash storage
HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth LE 4.0
USB 2.0 (one)
Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad (add $30 per extra controller)
Android 4.0 < more Tegra 3 love in other words
And the price is $119 shipped! ($99 if you live in America, which I guess, considering the nature of the product that has brought us together, less of you guys do than is common for forums )
So I guess what this means for us (other than a pretty epic deal on a very cool gadget) is that there will be more Tegra 3-based games being developed in the future, and generally more Tegra 3-based Linux development! Congratulations everyone!

Cheap console, cheap games, good graphics - recipe for like Nintendo era again :good:

Oh man!
That thing is gonna be awesome!!
maybe one should throw 225$ at them!

Ouya gaming console raises $2 million on Kickstarter, doesn't know what to do with it
When we first detailed the Ouya $99 Android-based game console yesterday, we had a feeling it would become a hot property over at Kickstarter. But still, there's no way we anticipated this: the project has just raised $2 million in its first day, having sped past its initial $950,000 goal within a record-breaking 12 hours. Now, in an email to backers, the project has asked for feedback on its "stretch goals" -- in other words, what it should do if it makes even more cash and is able to set its sights on loftier ambitions. If you're a backer then check your email, if you're a potential backer then check the source link, and if you're a traditional VC then weep.
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just watched the video
very impressive effort
so now we have Nvidia's THD initiative, Nexus 7, PS Mobile and Ouya
who needs overclocked Mali
consider this, how many devices will be based on mali? vs how many containing T3? you do the math
If you ask me Nvidia low cost to the masses tegra policy seems to be working like magic
It reminds me of this article Tegra 3's Graphics: Untapped Potential?

Saw this yesterday from a gaming site, it looks impressive. Might pick one up just for an emulator fact.
If I'm correct they said this device came easy to root and install anything you wanted. I'm excited to see this run.
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Raider0001 said:
Cheap console, cheap games, good graphics - recipe for like Nintendo era again :good:
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Honestly I think we can expect better graphics from this thing than the Wii! I'd like an ethernet port or 802.11ac WLAN though, 802.11n often isn't enough for 1080p content.

I saw this yesterday too. They hit their budget/investment requirement in hours! Its not a surprise as its a really really great idea if implemented well. People love gaming on tvs and since almost everyone owns one, picking up a console like this is very affordable. Its price beats most consoles on the market. Forget consoles, even Tegra3 smartphones such as the HOX and others.
On a side note good for gamers on the hox as it will definitely push the THD powered games market means more and better THD games on the market can possible come.

Rekoil said:
Honestly I think we can expect better graphics from this thing than the Wii! I'd like an ethernet port or 802.11ac WLAN though, 802.11n often isn't enough for 1080p content.
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considering how its android,open source with a usb port and all....
you can add that in yourself... maybe not all by yourself but support will be there

death__machine said:
I saw this yesterday too. They hit their budget/investment requirement in hours! Its not a surprise as its a really really great idea if implemented well. People love gaming on tvs and since almost everyone owns one, picking up a console like this is very affordable. Its price beats most consoles on the market. Forget consoles, even Tegra3 smartphones such as the HOX and others.
On a side note good for gamers on the hox as it will definitely push the THD powered games market means more and better THD games on the market can possible come.
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there is one more important thing
T3 will not be left to dust unlike T2
TV consoles last for years and so no dev can simply neglect optimizing for it
if they collected backers this fast, imagine the sales for this thing
however i doubt they will hit their price point
they will also face another issue by the time this thing launches, T4 will start shipping and hence you have an outdated platfrom on day 1 and it won't keep up with the incredible pace of mobile
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they linked to this video from their spec list
i imagine Gameloft is starting to panick after all the hate they collected in Tegra3 owners

thunder07 said:
considering how its android,open source with a usb port and all....
you can add that in yourself... maybe not all by yourself but support will be there
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Actually now that you mention it and I think more, it could be as small or basic as a Rasberry Pi PC with a little bit more. But thats taking the price into consideration. If they really aim at 99$ or so thats how I would do it.
A small device with basic functionality such as wifi(necessary as console gamers won't be downloading .apks and such they would buy directly from play store) output for tv and input for controllers. Obviously the mainboard and some memory and a few usb ports but nothing extra.
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there is one more important thing
T3 will not be left to dust unlike T2
TV consoles last for years and so no dev can simply neglect optimizing for it
if they collected backers this fast, imagine the sales for this thing
however i doubt they will hit their price point
they will also face another issue by the time this thing launchs, T4 will start shipping and hence you have an outed platfrom on day 1 and it won't keep up with the incredible pace of mobile
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I haven't really looked up on Tegra2 but you sound like it just died. Tegra3 on the other hand is a huge success imo. HOX, Nexus 7, Ouya, etc. like you mentioned. The Tegra3+ they plan to release won't be as successful imo.
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Slightly off topic considering it has little to do with the HTC One X and more to do with Tegra 3... but: caught this little gem yesterday http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
Basically it's a quad-core Tegra 3 board (I'm presuming it has the ninja core as well) with these features:
1GB of RAM
8GB of internal flash storage
HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth LE 4.0
USB 2.0 (one)
Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad (add $30 per extra controller)
Android 4.0 < more Tegra 3 love in other words
And the price is $119 shipped! ($99 if you live in America, which I guess, considering the nature of the product that has brought us together, less of you guys do than is common for forums )
So I guess what this means for us (other than a pretty epic deal on a very cool gadget) is that there will be more Tegra 3-based games being developed in the future, and generally more Tegra 3-based Linux development! Congratulations everyone!
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Ninja Core xD

death__machine said:
Actually now that you mention it and I think more, it could be as small or basic as a Rasberry Pi PC with a little bit more. But thats taking the price into consideration. If they really aim at 99$ or so thats how I would do it.
A small device with basic functionality such as wifi(necessary as console gamers won't be downloading .apks and such they would buy directly from play store) output for tv and input for controllers. Obviously the mainboard and some memory and a few usb ports but nothing extra.
I haven't really looked up on Tegra2 but you sound like it just died. Tegra3 on the other hand is a huge success imo. HOX, Nexus 7, Ouya, etc. like you mentioned. The Tegra3+ they plan to release won't be as successful imo.
Ninja Core xD
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the 5th core can be used in a console differently to drive the UI and free the other cores for their main job
their release date is march
dunno its starting to feel we are going backwards after all the advancing we made with the PS3/Xbox360
why do we need this when the next gen is around the corner?
T3 makes sense in a mobile but as a console i dunno

I nearly brought this I even entered my details then cancelled.
This is why I wanted it- cheap and more than likely be worth more than the money you pay for it. It looks great.
The reason why I cancelled is yes games on my phone are great but personally I don't think they compare to a console.
I don't see a lot of devs making games expecially for this either. I just see this playing phone or tablet games on my tv.
I can do this already if I buy a cable for my phone and use a bluetooth controller.
I hope they do well as more tegra 3 games for us would be great
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colemanuk said:
I nearly brought this I even entered my details then cancelled.
This is why I wanted it- cheap and more than likely be worth more than the money you pay for it. It looks great.
The reason why I cancelled is yes games on my phone are great but personally I don't think they compare to a console.
I don't see a lot of devs making games expecially for this either. I just see this playing phone or tablet games on my tv.
I can do this already if I buy a cable for my phone and use a bluetooth controller.
I hope they do well as more tegra 3 games for us would be great
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yea my thoughts exactly
by the way the N7 doesnt have MHL support if i am correct?

This would have actually been a no brainer for gameloft if you think about it
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hamdir said:
the 5th core can be used in a console differently to drive the UI and free the other cores for their main job
their release date is march
dunno its starting to feel we are going backwards after all the advancing we made with the PS3/Xbox360
why do we need this when the next gen is around the corner?
T3 makes sense in a mobile but as a console i dunno
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I don't think ouya is really aiming at the hardcore gaming market, the Wii came around the same time as the Xbox 360 and the PS3, yet it wasn't nearly as good, that's because they went for the casual and younger gamer, and their needs are very likely both met and exceeded by the Tegra 3.
And yeah, 5th core could power background tasks like say a chat network similar to what Xbox live has.
colemanuk said:
I nearly brought this I even entered my details then cancelled.
This is why I wanted it- cheap and more than likely be worth more than the money you pay for it. It looks great.
The reason why I cancelled is yes games on my phone are great but personally I don't think they compare to a console.
I don't see a lot of devs making games expecially for this either. I just see this playing phone or tablet games on my tv.
I can do this already if I buy a cable for my phone and use a bluetooth controller.
I hope they do well as more tegra 3 games for us would be great
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You do realise that you don't buy things on Kickstarter right, you fund projects, and your money wouldn't have been taken from your bank account until the 9th of August.

colemanuk said:
This would have actually been a no brainer for gameloft if you think about it
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so far im puzzled as their attitude toward the T3
if you look at the A7 config files, its detecting the game as "medium_android" with almost everything off, not a single reference to tegra
its as if it doesn't exists

Rekoil said:
I don't think ouya is really aiming at the hardcore gaming market, the Wii came around the same time as the Xbox 360 and the PS3, yet it wasn't nearly as good, that's because they went for the casual and younger gamer, and their needs are very likely both met and exceeded by the Tegra 3.
And yeah, 5th core could power background tasks like say a chat network similar to what Xbox live has.
You do realise that you don't buy things on Kickstarter right, you fund projects, and your money wouldn't have been taken from your bank account until the 9th of August.
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Err yeah duhhhh.
I pay $99 I get console that's all I care about I'm not in it for charity
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colemanuk said:
Err yeah duhhhh.
I pay $99 I get console that's all I care about I'm not in it for charity
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i would take the N7 instead with a blind eye but google shot it in the legs by removing MHL support

its just hit me! this thing will fly!
OnLive and this are a match made in heaven, but I think they need an Ethernet port
the more I think of it the more I feel tegra3 is just ingenious, yes the sgs3 processor is stronger and the snapdragon 4 is more efficient
but we r missing the point, t3 is ingenious because of its older process and low cost nature, as well as prism, direct touch, lp core and amazing media abilities
add to this a ready gaming centric SDK and u can see why they r selling them like hot cakes
as a whole t3 is the best solution out there, its unique, capable and well supported
I dont think qualcomm has a chance of catching up this round
when NV ceo answered we will release quad first and then devs will figure out how to u use it, he was spot on!

hamdir said:
its just hit me! this thing will fly! - ENGAGE BRAIN LESS BULL**** MODE SON!
OnLive and this are a match made in heaven, but I think they need an Ethernet port - YEA BUT ON LIVE IS **** I BETA TESTED IT
the more I think of it the more I feel tegra3 is just ingenious, yes the sgs3 processor is stronger and the snapdragon 4 is more efficient - MY GTX570 is more efficient!!!
but we r missing the point, t3 is ingenious because of its older process and low cost nature, as well as prism, direct touch, lp core and amazing media abilities - MY PC CAN PLAY ANYTHING
add to this a ready gaming centric SDK and u can see why they r selling them like hot cakes - I DONT NEED AND SKD TO DEVELOP FOR PC!
as a whole t3 is the best solution out there, its unique, capable and well supported - ITS NOT USE YOUR BRAIN
I dont think qualcomm has a chance of catching up this round - THEY DONT NEED TO
when NV ceo answered we will release quad first and then devs will figure out how to u use it, he was spot on!
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Dont be fukin stupid. Why would anyone buy a device which can do less than my PC, and less than my phone....

Anyone else tired of getting shafted

By Gameloft in the graphics department on their games? Nova3 and MC4 we loose shadows and particle effects just to name 2 things. Even though devices like the nexus 10 or nexus 4 can easily handle them they don't get effects either. My GNex played NOVA3 with CF glitch perfectly. Why Gameloft no love v us you think? :3 at least madfinger gives us love I guess :|
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They probably get a Tegra3 kickback from Nvidia.

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They probably get a Tegra3 kickback from Nvidia.
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I'm talking about android in general, even on the nexus 7 they are disabled
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I'd be willing to bet its because of app piracy, and considering how easy it is to pirate an android app vs. an iOS app.
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msavic6 said:
I'd be willing to bet its because of app piracy, and considering how easy it is to pirate an android app vs. an iOS app.
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That'd be like developers making games for Mac and giving windows a **** version. Piracy will happen regardless of platform and if someone is going to pirate it wont matter if its iOS or android they'll get it done just the same
Edit: also by that logic why release it at all?
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By Gameloft in the graphics department on their games? Nova3 and MC4 we loose shadows and particle effects just to name 2 things. Even though devices like the nexus 10 or nexus 4 can easily handle them they don't get effects either. My GNex played NOVA3 with CF glitch perfectly. Why Gameloft no love v us you think? :3 at least madfinger gives us love I guess :|
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Because iOS is the lead platform and it's not worth the money to put additional effort into optimizing for hundreds of combination of hardware running Android. This is where iOS is more awesome than Android.

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Because iOS is the lead platform and it's not worth the money to put additional effort into optimizing for hundreds of combination of hardware running Android. This is where iOS is more awesome than Android.
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Yea ik T.T I just don't like to admit it ... Gameloft makes games I wanna play but they're lazy bastards :| really wish android wasnt considered the ugly step child they gotta pay some attention to by some of the lead developers. Makes you wonder how long they plan looking at android that way.
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ECOTOX said:
Yea ik T.T I just don't like to admit it ... Gameloft makes games I wanna play but they're lazy bastards :| really wish android wasnt considered the ugly step child they gotta pay some attention to by some of the lead developers. Makes you wonder how long they plan looking at android that way.
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Like any industry we're going to see a consolidation of suppliers. For internals I'm thinking Samsung and Qualcomm, (Texas Instruments has dropped out, right?). For screen resolution I think it's still a crapshoot, hopefully we'll have settled on 1280 x 720 (OH HAI NEXUS 4 with your silly 768 width resolution, I thought Nexus was the reference. Will the reference change every year? That's nice).
But yeah, once everyone's on Samsung and Qualcomm silicon then maybe it'll be slightly easier for the devs to dev on Android.

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Like any industry we're going to see a consolidation of suppliers. For internals I'm thinking Samsung and Qualcomm, (Texas Instruments has dropped out, right?). For screen resolution I think it's still a crapshoot, hopefully we'll have settled on 1280 x 720 (OH HAI NEXUS 4 with your silly 768 width resolution, I thought Nexus was the reference. Will the reference change every year? That's nice).
But yeah, once everyone's on Samsung and Qualcomm silicon then maybe it'll be slightly easier for the devs to dev on Android.
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I suppose, but I see this mostly happening with big names. Smaller companies seem to have less problems but it's too much for the likes of Gameloft and others? The zenonia games for example I've had no problems with since my G1 back in the day. It's run on every device and every OS that I've had no issues. I don't think it's a matter of " difficulty" it's a matter of laziness. I will say in regards to hardware that I wouldn't count nvidia out so much I'm not a fan of them but I think that nvidia, Qualcomm, and Samsung will be the big three (sad to see Texas instrument go :c) Intel and AMD don't have much chance in the space outside of maybe tablets, I don't see them doing well in regards to phones. Though I would like to seem a dual core AMD APU with a radeon Chip in my phone or tablet
Edit: my opinion of laziness would also stem from the fact that Nova 3 hasn't worked on my GNex in almost two months since the last update and Gameloft has yet to fix it. The fact that they manage to break support then just don't fix it is ridiculous. No communication on the matter or anything.
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By difficulty I really means time and money. One thing I've learned since working in QA on mobile projects is that developers aren't lazy, management jus doesn't let them fix things due to the money involved.they would rather put money towards a new game for more sales while maintaining some semblance of quality, at least that's the idea. Some go for quantity of games over quality but in the long run they'll hurt themselves.

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By difficulty I really means time and money. One thing I've learned since working in QA on mobile projects is that developers aren't lazy, management jus doesn't let them fix things due to the money involved.they would rather put money towards a new game for more sales while maintaining some semblance of quality, at least that's the idea. Some go for quantity of games over quality but in the long run they'll hurt themselves.
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Agreed. That's why in this day and age u only have respect for some game developers. My list would go towards valve corporation as they still provide free dlc and bit releasing games that aren't done. My second goes to blizzard entertainment.
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Steam on Android needs to happen soon. And I mean "real" Steam.

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Because iOS is the lead platform and it's not worth the money to put additional effort into optimizing for hundreds of combination of hardware running Android. This is where iOS is more awesome than Android.
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Pretty sure android is the top platform.
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Pretty sure android is the top platform.
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Too much hardware differentiation from a dev standpoint.

skadebo said:
By difficulty I really means time and money. One thing I've learned since working in QA on mobile projects is that developers aren't lazy, management jus doesn't let them fix things due to the money involved.they would rather put money towards a new game for more sales while maintaining some semblance of quality, at least that's the idea. Some go for quantity of games over quality but in the long run they'll hurt themselves.
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I know the individuals themselves aren't lazy I don't blamed the employee I blame the company they work for. Gameloft needs to get it straight that quality will earn them loyalty and in the long run five them better revenue due to a better reputation. Like Valve for instance, I'd buy any game they made in a heartbeat because I know the company as a whole provides quality games and customer support. Favoring a given platform in the mobile space with how it's evolving isnt gonna be the way to go. Companies need to look at the mobile space similar to the desktop/laptop gaming space not like consoles. Phones/tablets are closer to desktops/laptops in function and need to be treated as such. That's just my opinion c:
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Too much hardware differentiation from a dev standpoint.
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In regards to games the functionality between devices isn't much different then how it is with everyday PCs. You got gaming rigs, low end laptops, etc. With single, dual, quads, some only support up to SSE2 instructions, some have GPU with steam core or the old pixel/vertex processor type. The mobile space is no different than regular computers in that regard. The processors are mostly ARM based or arm compatible which due to dalvik isn't a concern. GPU all have support for pretty much the same functions with some difference in things like supported texture formats. There really is no excuse as the mobile space isn't bringing anything radical to the table.
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Steam on Android needs to happen soon. And I mean "real" Steam.
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What would be considered "real" Steam? Valve making a source engine for Android and allownig devs to use it? ... hmm now that I loudly pointed that out, it is a pretty nice initiative if a source engine was made. I saw ports of CS and Portal 2 (which VALVE told the developer to take it off and the dev stopped the project) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e9JhE9miOg

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What would be considered "real" Steam? Valve making a source engine for Android and allownig devs to use it? ... hmm now that I loudly pointed that out, it is a pretty nice initiative if a source engine was made. I saw ports of CS and Portal 2 (which VALVE told the developer to take it off and the dev stopped the project) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e9JhE9miOg
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I heard rumor valve was considering it somewhere :3 steam that is
And I'd love to see a source port to mobile c:
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[Q] Can this tablet dual boot windows?

Is that possible for the note 8. I like the size but need to be able to have windows accessible for certain things? Thanks in advance to any help with this.

shadowkid8391 said:
Is that possible for the note 8. I like the size but need to be able to have windows accessible for certain things? Thanks in advance to any help with this.
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Don't think so, but you could try remote desktop, e.g. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tux.client. It works.

Yea i can do that now just don't want it to be sluggish. Any tips on a tablet that can dual boot windows and android?

shadowkid8391 said:
Yea i can do that now just don't want it to be sluggish. Any tips on a tablet that can dual boot windows and android?
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What sort of things do you need windows for that you don't think you can do on a tablet.
In answer to your question an x86 based windows tablet (excluding the surface pro) should theoretically be able to run the x86 port of android but it's not going to be the sort of experience you are thinking of.
If you want windows buy a laptop.
If you want android buy a tablet.
we are simply not to the point where you can have both of those worlds on one device. you can do full desktop linux on most android tablets but the experience is usually quite bad.
That being said this tablet will provide an impressively robust computing experience thanks to multi-window and the s-pen but it's no replacement for a laptop for some work.
as far as remote clients go Spashtop is the best performing one I've found it can even handle games and video playback somewhat smoothly
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splashtop.remote phone version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splashtop.remote.pad Tablet version
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splashtop.remote.pad.v2 "New" version (best experince and free but requires subscription for internet discovery)
EDIT:
So the morning after I write this post Samsung is making me eat my words.
They just announced the Ativ Q which dual boots windows 8 and android.
I do not know the specs or anything yet but I'm sure those will be available soon.

Robodude288 said:
EDIT:
So the morning after I write this post Samsung is making me eat my words.
They just announced the Ativ Q which dual boots windows 8 and android.
I do not know the specs or anything yet but I'm sure those will be available soon.
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some details here:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/20/4448998/samsung-ativ-q-windows-laptop-android-tablet

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/20/samsung-announces-ativ-q-windows-android-slider/
It's called the ATIV Q, and it combines Android 4.2 and Windows 8, with equal parts tablet and typing. Under the hood, the device is powered by a Haswell-series Intel Core i5 processor and manages to fit a 13.3-inch, 3,200 x 1,800 touchscreen into a 1.29kg package that measures just 13.9mm thick. Other notable specs include an S Pen with 1,024 degrees of sensitivity.
Very Nice. Now if they can keep it under $700.00 I might bite.

kable said:
Very Nice. Now if they can keep it under $700.00 I might bite.
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I was thinking the same thing and I don't even need it.

Robodude288 said:
I was thinking the same thing and I don't even need it.
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kable said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/20/samsung-announces-ativ-q-windows-android-slider/
It's called the ATIV Q, and it combines Android 4.2 and Windows 8, with equal parts tablet and typing. Under the hood, the device is powered by a Haswell-series Intel Core i5 processor and manages to fit a 13.3-inch, 3,200 x 1,800 touchscreen into a 1.29kg package that measures just 13.9mm thick. Other notable specs include an S Pen with 1,024 degrees of sensitivity.
Very Nice. Now if they can keep it under $700.00 I might bite.
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try $1500

fredfb said:
try $1500
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Oh probably. But we can dream can't we?

fredfb said:
try $1500
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With an i5 chip let's hope not, an i7 2.0 Ghz Ultrabook runs 1500.
Under 1K or it won't sell. Way under.