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A Fundamental Reason to choose Android 3.0 over WP7

I actually kind of agree with the two posters, it really is an unrealistic idea, but it will eventually come true... I guess it's a bit early to speculate with only one vague article but a whole army of critics

XNA is good for MUCH more than "crappy Xbox live demos". XNA is used for lots of games on the XBL Arcade already. What makes you think that Sony is going to be able to do better on Android than Microsoft is on WP7? Xbox has easily the best dev tools around and that is brought over onto WP7. The only chance that Android's game dev capabilities could even come close to WP7 is if Sony creates a set of libraries, standards, and dev tools specifically for games. I highly doubt that will happen. Also, will Google even let them? It's been said that Google will be tightening the specs for Android 3 so it remains to be seen just how much. Every game will work on every WP7 phone. That will be a large base of potential customers. Any PSP-phone game would only work with that single device. Why would developers spend time and money targeting such a limited install base? Sony would be just another OEM for Android whereas Microsoft runs the show with WP7. And finally, there's been no announcements or even real leaks about a PSP phone. Who knows if it will ever happen? Also, this would be a reason to choose a PSP phone over WP7 phone but wouldn't apply to the rest of Android.

blaiz123 said:
while the guy next to you is playing Modern Warfare 2 on his SE Playstation phone in full 1080P HD and a true 3D experience[/url]
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Its very sad if you think that will happen, a phone cant handle that most ps3 & 360 games dont even run in 1080p natively & if a phone could the batter would last like 45 min & your phone would be very very hot not to mention the phone would need a super chip to be able to do that & that would raise the cost of the phone up greatly...anyway dont know why you bring up silverlight, all the major 3D & graphically intense games will be written in xna
not sure why i even responded to this, but good luck with your PlayStation phone that you think will have better graphics or games then a psp

Psp is a playstation portable, exactly. There is a playstation emulator for Android already out. So they will have the exact same games.
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vetvito said:
Psp is a playstation portable, exactly. There is a playstation emulator for Android already out. So they will have the exact same games.
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Emulation is generally more buggy than games coded for that platform.
Sony is going to make the same mistake here that they did on the console market. A big factor of why 360 pulled ahead of PS3 was that it was easier for developers to code for the xbox360 than it was to code for the PS3. Also developers could make a game in XNA and quickly port it to windows.
Making a game for wp7 now allows you to port that to 360 and PC quite easily. What does making a game for Android & iphone get you? It just gets you on one platform really. This is something Sony can't do and why wp7 really is a true gaming platform. While android and the iphone are very capable of running games they just don't have the tools that MS does.
As long as wp7 sells decently, I can't see bigger studios not getting behind wp7 in a big way. They should be able to crank out quality games wayyyy faster than the competition, since there are tons of professional game developers very accustomed to XNA.

First off 360 pulled ahead because of the gaming titles, i.e. Halo and the network xbox live.
Second, who on earth wants to play the same game on three different platforms? There is no market for this. Fun and exciting on a phone won't yield the same results on a PC or gaming system.
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blaiz123 said:
I actually kind of agree with the two posters, it really is an unrealistic idea, but it will eventually come true... I guess it's a bit early to speculate with only one vague article but a whole army of critics
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No Biggie....there are plenty of reasons to pick android over wp7, but i dont think gaming will ever be 1 of those reasons

No Biggie....there are plenty of reasons to pick android over wp7, but i dont think gaming will ever be 1 of those reasons
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That's true.

vetvito said:
First off 360 pulled ahead because of the gaming titles, i.e. Halo and the network xbox live.
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Xbox live and Halo 1&2 were both on the regular xbox. However, it didn't really phase ps2 though, not to mention that PS had many exclusive titles as well. So what changed that the ps3, the industry leader, faulted to the upstart? The ease of development was in MS's corner. Cell architecture took a bigger learning curve. XNA was easy, and allowed for quick cross platform implementation.
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Second, who on earth wants to play the same game on three different platforms? There is no market for this. Fun and exciting on a phone won't yield the same results on a PC or gaming system.
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Plants vs. Zombies (Casual Gaming in General), Adventure games like Monkey Island, Lots of current games on Xbox live arcade would suit touch experiences just fine. RPGs like Harvest, Carmack is porting a touch version of Rage to the iPhone, that's a multiplatform game. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Live sucked on the first xbox. Games did too. Although Halo did do well. PS2 dominated.
PS3 hurt itself price wise, it was just too expensive, but it stayed sold out. Sony couldn't keep up with the demand.
360 had a better price. Although MS lost money with each system sold.
Wii kicked both of their asses though!
Also I have never heard of any of those games, none.
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vetvito said:
Although MS lost money with each system sold.
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And so did Sony.
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Wii kicked both of their asses though!
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Because it's a more casual thing than PS3 and XBox. It also is a fine second console. Few people would have both PS3 and XBox (some do), but Wii as a complement to a hardcore console is just fine.
Back to the PSP phone, I am skeptical about its future. It's done by Sony Ericsson who will want to have it as a differentiator against other Android phones just as against other OSes. They want to build it with specific hardware buttons, and the games developed for it will most probably not be as much fun or won't work at all on other phones. Even if they are developed with other phones in mind, it's not at all necessary that other phones will have similar quality hardware/high performance drivers to benefit from these games. And finally, Sony will most probably want to set a high price point for these games as they won't want to cannibalize their own product (even if such a decision would benefit them overall).

I can agree with your whole comment.
Especially the differentiate part.
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I think there's a huge misinterpretation when talking about Android and Playstation. Android (for the most part) will not be getting legitimate PlayStation games, it's the other way around. Android is coming to the PSP.

lordcanti86 said:
I think there's a huge misinterpretation when talking about Android and Playstation. Android (for the most part) will not be getting legitimate PlayStation games, it's the other way around. Android is coming to the PSP.
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That's what I'm hoping. The idea of an Android handset that runs "PSP" games really doesn't appeal to me. On the other hand, when the PSP Go came out I thought to myself "this would be a great device if it had a touch screen, a decent browser and maybe some apps". If Sony release a new PSP that runs Android with an XMB skin it'd be pretty awesome!

lordcanti86 said:
I think there's a huge misinterpretation when talking about Android and Playstation. Android (for the most part) will not be getting legitimate PlayStation games, it's the other way around. Android is coming to the PSP.
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It will be PSP Phone on Android.

vetvito said:
Live sucked on the first xbox. Games did too. Although Halo did do well. PS2 dominated.
PS3 hurt itself price wise, it was just too expensive, but it stayed sold out. Sony couldn't keep up with the demand.
360 had a better price. Although MS lost money with each system sold.
Wii kicked both of their asses though!
Also I have never heard of any of those games, none.
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You sir must have been living under a rock in the gaming world right now. At least on the PC side of things.
I do agree with him that their are many games that would be awesome to have multi platform capabilities. Plants Vs Zombies is my current crack and love playing it on my PC and Netbook as well as a 2G iPhone my buddy let me have since he got a 4. (no I do not use the iPhone for anything asside from PvZ actually lol). Monkey Island was a classic adventure game that is actually really good on WM6.5 with Scum emulator, and other Xbox Arcade titles like the little known "Greed Corp" would be epic on the phone since it is 3d, simple, quick (games last 15minutes MAX) and turn based so multiplayer would work.

"2nd" Generation WP7 Devices dissapointing = Fail

I was one of very few people of bought a wp7 device when it first came out. most people on xda said they would wait for the second generation of wp7 devices. now that the second generation has arrived the specs are very dissapointing, to put it short..... Where are the high end wp7 devices???? 1.5ghz single core? really? 2nd gen STILL making 8gb phones? come on! its nearly 2012, and whats with the lumia not even having a front facing camera? i thought this was all going to change when the second gen came out, but instead ill have to watch my android owning friends play thier games at 60fps, while no developers bother to even upgrade their games since the mango update allowed it! surely more power would be needed for xbox live games .......... no wonder wp7 is doing pants...give us some real hardware...

I'll quote Anton Nagy from pocketnow "Some Android users just don't get it that Windows Phone doesn't need the Android h/w processing power to run smoothly!"
Stop worrying about how fast the processor is or how many cores it has. The truth is WP7.5 runs great on "lower" end hardware where android chokes and lags.

^ Bull****. It's not about smoothness, if it was, dumbphones would be the obvious winner. Pathetic excuse.
It's about 1080p, graphic intensive games, heavy media, etc. Xbox Live is a sad joke on the phone.
Did Anton Nagy answer why does the iPhone has dual cores?

Headline = Correct
There is absolutely nothing that really says "wow, ok this is 2nd gen". Except the Titan. But it's still locked into an old school resolution.

That's funny, I was about to start this exact same thread
I was never expecting dual core, I know the OS doesn't support it and iOS got great games without the need of for dual core anyway.
Still that's not a reason to keep getting low end devices. The Titan on android comes with beats audio and a 32GB option, the Lumia 800 comes on Meego with a FF camera and a 64GB option, why are WP7 users getting the shaft? Not one 32GB device when Zune players have been canned in favour of WP7, how is that now ridiculous?

Use a WP. It doesn't lag and not once will you feel your phone isn't capable of something.
But I agree about screen and ffc.
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karan1203 said:
Use a WP. It doesn't lag and not once will you feel your phone isn't capable of something.
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iPhone doesn't "lag" either. Yet it gets a significantly faster CPU and graphics chip with each iteration.
iOS started getting properly good (i.e. non casual) apps around the time the iPhone 3GS was launched. Suddenly you had some real horse-power, and you started getting proper 3D shooters like Call of Duty: Zombies. Check out Infinity Blade or Epic Castle running on the 3GS - puts every WP7 game to shame, and this is on a phone that came out 2.5 years ago (a lifetime in the mobile world!).
Meanwhile we've still not got a single decent FPS, and almost zero augmented reality apps. Now do you see why we need better hardware?

All that putting a duel core faster processor etc in will do is drain the battery like a siv for no noticable extra performance esp when the clock speed of the processor is hardly a bottleneck in these phones. Your 1.4ghz lumia will run faster and smoother then a duel core htc sensation. I to would love to see bigger memory beats phone but as i own bose headphones i dont feel its a biggie. At the end of the day the only thing that sucks is 16gb but then i have a zune for my music so 16gb is more than i need.
to put it simple bigger specs = less battery + no noticable differance in performance
i know what i want and that a solid sexy device with a mind blowing screen (yes i know its small but hay there all the same res just look at it closer lol) and a battery that lasts. Plus WP7.5 is much nicer to use and more polished then android or ios. Dont get me wrong i love androif but only cos i love to play and mess with things but past that it looks dated and eats power.

Another complainers thread.
Even if Windows Phones had dual core, ffc, nfc, served coffee and made the bed there would always be a group of complainers. It will never be satisfactory.
I will say this: Its a phone. If it doesn't suit your needs, do not buy it. Microsoft will get the message loud and clear of no one buys it.

I'm glad there aren't dual core CPUs. I like my battery lasting over a day.
I have Never noticed lag on my Omnia 7. Never once. All the games I have play smoothly. OS is silky.
My PC is now 2 years old. Normally i'd upgrade it at least every 2 years. I won't bother now.. why ? Because i don't need to. It will still play modern games at an acceptable and high quality.

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If it doesn't suit your needs, do not buy it. Microsoft will get the message loud and clear of no one buys it.
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No one is buying it are they? MS still refuse to release sales figure, but un-offocial sources show it's in last place, even being outsold by Bada (Samsung's phone OS).
You've also missed the point entirely; if a WP7 came out that hardware on par or significantly ahead of the current gen Androids (e.g. 1200x900 res screen, camera with 1080p recording and xenon flash, fast 3d chip, FFC camera) it would sell well. But they haven't, so it won't; WP7 is one generation behind yet again.

Indeed, I could understand that the 1st wave of devices = underpowered phones.
But for the 2nd wave it's not acceptable anymore. All the devices proposed are mediocre.
I was patient, but now I am really fed up.
My last hopes in the OS have totally gone ith the ****ty Nokia phones announced.
I need SD card slot, I need 32/64GB, I need FFC, I need USB mass storage, I need DivX|Avi, I need bigger screen, etc.....
What a disaster.
Microsoft is always behind, just a follower. They are incapable of anticipating and thinking ahead and unable to propose something that the competitors do not already have. They are 2 years late, they are one phone generation late.
The last WP7 phones have specifications from year 2009 !!!
WHERE ARE THE HIGH END WP7 DEVICE??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Titan on android comes with beats audio and a 32GB option, the Lumia 800 comes on Meego with a FF camera and a 64GB option, why are WP7 users getting the shaft? Not one 32GB device when Zune players have been canned in favour of WP7, how is that now ridiculous?
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I have the exact same question.
I want to understand this.
Is Microsoft forcing the manufacturers to do this?
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I'm glad there aren't dual core CPUs. I like my battery lasting over a day.
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What are you talking about?
One of my friends has both an HTC Mozart and the last iPhone.
He is always complaining because the HTC cannot last more than 1 day (with its fu..... single core), whereas his iPhone can last up to 3 or 4 days.
Don't believe what you read on WP7 users forum. Wp7 is crap on every level (except maybe the UI)

What are YOU talking about, the last iphone was a single core device, the NEW Iphone (the 4S) is dual core and surprise surpise, the most subscribed thread on the iphone 4S section over at mac rumors is titled "baterrygate"

3 or 4 days with an iPhone?
LOL
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What you want is a premium phone. I don't think Microsoft (or at least Nokia) believes that space is a priority considering that it's dominated by the iPhone and the GS2.
I think it's a viable tactic: premium looking phone for a mid-range price. It does suck for those of us who aren't as price conscious.
Anyway, I would wait to see what Samsung brings out. The hardware should be nice spec-wise. Personally, it's a no go for me because their design is uninspiring.

So after a year, people still cant decide for themselves what phone they should buy. If WP7 doesnt meet your needs, dont buy it, if you have bought it, dump it for what suits you. Complaining because you cant have what your friends have sounds like a playground mentality.
If it met your needs once but doesnt anymore its more beneficial to move on to another platform, especially considering that members of this forum are highly likely to know exactly the capabilities and restrictions of WP7. Its common knowledge what screen res WP7 supports, what CPU's it supports and what RAM it supports. So why are people surprised when devices are released that meet the known specs? Screen size, camera quality, storage size can vary but nothing else is going to change.
Really nothing forcing anyone to use this OS, and as people are so fond of saying, there are no sales, missing features, its ugly, etc. So, why not move on?

davidebanks said:
I was one of very few people of bought a wp7 device when it first came out. most people on xda said they would wait for the second generation of wp7 devices. now that the second generation has arrived the specs are very dissapointing, to put it short..... Where are the high end wp7 devices???? 1.5ghz single core? really? 2nd gen STILL making 8gb phones? come on! its nearly 2012, and whats with the lumia not even having a front facing camera? i thought this was all going to change when the second gen came out, but instead ill have to watch my android owning friends play thier games at 60fps, while no developers bother to even upgrade their games since the mango update allowed it! surely more power would be needed for xbox live games .......... no wonder wp7 is doing pants...give us some real hardware...
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I came from Nokia to Android and I used Nokias since 1987 lol. sssh... don't tell anyone.
Nokia phones always had slower CPU's etc... and the software didn't usually need more because it was never power hungry. I think we need to see the high end stuff. I also think they knocked this batch out in a hell of a hurry and knowing Elop and Co we'll see some nice phones soon ish if they have learned anything from announcement to release delays that is!
Nokia make software run well on different hardware.
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uryu_ishida said:
What you want is a premium phone. I don't think Microsoft (or at least Nokia) believes that space is a priority considering that it's dominated by the iPhone and the GS2.
I think it's a viable tactic: premium looking phone for a mid-range price. It does suck for those of us who aren't as price conscious.
Anyway, I would wait to see what Samsung brings out. The hardware should be nice spec-wise. Personally, it's a no go for me because their design is uninspiring.
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I don't want a premium phone. I just need 32 GB.
Why the Titan with Android has 32 GB and the Titan with WP7 only 16GB ??? I just can't explain this.
I would have bought the Titan immediately if it came with 32GB. But 16GB is a dealbreaker.
I am not asking more than this.

Same for me. Last chance for 32GB is the Focus S.
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Buy the Sensation XL then.

XPlay 2 Announcement??

Found this link, looks genuine and sounds promising
The invitation teases that attendees will "find out what's new and next with Xperia gaming."
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http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-en...sony-plans-mobile-announcement-next-wednesday

As epic as that would be... my money is on it being the launch of the "real" PS Suite on the Xperia Play :/

I think its just PS Suite and some other games, I don't have plans to get a new device soon either so I kind of hope its not a Xperia Play S or whatever because I need to face the temptation lol...
Off course it would be great for a successor but for me its just the wrong time lol, and by the time I do want a new device it would probably be by Jan 2013.

TheCraig said:
I think its just PS Suite and some other games, I don't have plans to get a new device soon either so I kind of hope its not a Xperia Play S or whatever because I need to face the temptation lol...
Off course it would be great for a successor but for me its just the wrong time lol, and by the time I do want a new device it would probably be by Jan 2013.
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I'm in the exact same boat, would much rather they improved it rather than get something completely new at a time like this.

ShahinTehShiz said:
I'm in the exact same boat, would much rather they improved it rather than get something completely new at a time like this.
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Agreed, I would rather pay £1,200 for a new iMac (I desperately need a new one, the computer I have now is about 2 years old) than dash out £600 - £700 for a device which will be out dated within a year or two (As in no more updates from Sony)

It would be funny if they release Xperia Play S.

*faints*

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It would be funny if they release Xperia Play S.
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before the release of ICS for the Play

I will probably not jump on an Xplay2 upon initial release, whenever in life that my or may not come to be, Im to in love with mine the way it is now and I dont really need or care to get a new one, but I have an upgrade on my account that is waiting for one should I ever change my mind

Just what if - Sony used the hardcore gamer group, as a test group to how such a phone would be accepted... I for myself love it and many do so too and with all the work we put in, they surely must have recognized that.
They saw that developers jumped on the wagon and optimized their games for the dpad (or at least made it available) 300+ games so far. If you bring a play2 out you can advertise with those + PS games maybe PSP games
They got all the Technologies to actually make a real good media/play phone with Bravia / Playstation / Walkman.
Tho I dont believe it will be with quad core or come out right now. It will probably be a Dual Core on 2ghz 1-2gig ram, some sony assigned graphics chip, 2 gb internal storage - so you have to buy the new special sony memory cards that will only fit in the phone.
Deliver it to Christmas and pay the review magazines properly this Time and cash in on the casual gamers.
(So basically the play was a succesfull testrun, sony now commits and makes resources available for a play2 )
// To be serious.
Also think it will be PS Suite

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Just what if - Sony used the hardcore gamer group, as a test group to how such a phone would be accepted... I for myself love it and many do so too and with all the work we put in, they surely must have recognized that.
They saw that developers jumped on the wagon and optimized their games for the dpad (or at least made it available) 300+ games so far. If you bring a play2 out you can advertise with those + PS games maybe PSP games
They got all the Technologies to actually make a real good media/play phone with Bravia / Playstation / Walkman.
Tho I dont believe it will be with quad core or come out right now. It will probably be a Dual Core on 2ghz 1-2gig ram, some sony assigned graphics chip, 2 gb internal storage - so you have to buy the new special sony memory cards that will only fit in the phone.
Deliver it to Christmas and pay the review magazines properly this Time and cash in on the casual gamers.
(So basically the play was a succesfull testrun, sony now commits and makes resources available for a play2 )
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Also think it will be PS Suite
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If they were smart they would make it quad core. HTC and Samsung already use quads and Motorola is working on it also. If the really make a play 2 I don't understand why it wouldn't be up to date on the physical end, dual cores are nice but a huge selling point would be pure power.
Edit : plus the vita isn't that old . An Xperia play 2 would probably hurt vita sales even if the xp2 came out for Christmas time. They have slightly different markets, sure, ones a phone and ones not but.. just my 2c
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1622314

sashake said:
Just what if - Sony used the hardcore gamer group, as a test group to how such a phone would be accepted... I for myself love it and many do so too and with all the work we put in, they surely must have recognized that.
They saw that developers jumped on the wagon and optimized their games for the dpad (or at least made it available) 300+ games so far. If you bring a play2 out you can advertise with those + PS games maybe PSP games
They got all the Technologies to actually make a real good media/play phone with Bravia / Playstation / Walkman.
Tho I dont believe it will be with quad core or come out right now. It will probably be a Dual Core on 2ghz 1-2gig ram, some sony assigned graphics chip, 2 gb internal storage - so you have to buy the new special sony memory cards that will only fit in the phone.
Deliver it to Christmas and pay the review magazines properly this Time and cash in on the casual gamers.
(So basically the play was a succesfull testrun, sony now commits and makes resources available for a play2 )
// To be serious.
Also think it will be PS Suite
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Nice post, same thoughts also.
PS: Sony Xperia Vita XD

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1622314
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Good luck with that
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/27/sony-dual-slider-patent/
Just saw this today on Engadget...
XP2 might really be on the way guys

DrROBschiz said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/27/sony-dual-slider-patent/
Just saw this today on Engadget...
XP2 might really be on the way guys
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Thats a pretty cool idea. Id love to see something like that made!

TheCraig said:
Agreed, I would rather pay £1,200 for a new iMac (I desperately need a new one, the computer I have now is about 2 years old) than dash out £600 - £700 for a device which will be out dated within a year or two (As in no more updates from Sony)
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You'd rather replace a two year old device then buy a device that will be outdated in two years?
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Buy this, or wait for Tegra 4 Tablet?

Hello,
I was going to buy this tablet soon but I just found out about the Tegra 4 CPU.
It is supposed to have better performance than SnapDragon S4 CPU which the Nexus 7 flo tablet has.
Do you think I should wait until a 7 inch Tegra 4 Tablet comes onto the market or should I buy the Nexus 7 now?
Thanks,
The Doolster

Kindle Fire HD 2 will supposedly have the Snapdragon 800. The Nexus will have more development support including kernels to overclock the CPU to 2GHz+.

Do whatever will make you happy. If you're the patient type then just wait.
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Kindle Fire HD 2 will supposedly have the Snapdragon 800. The Nexus will have more development support including kernels to overclock the CPU to 2GHz+.
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Why the heck would a kindle need a sd800?

RCranium666 said:
Why the heck would a kindle need a sd800?
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Gotta be able to flip those pages faster than you can blink, yo.

Tegra 4 and SD 800 are just days to a few months away. They have the potential to be awesome.
That said this S4 is more of a SD 600 than a S4 and as you can see from the Dev section, can be clocked to 2.1 or possibly even 2.3 GHz. The GPU can also be OCed to 487. This machine will give all a user needs if they like the 7 inch form factor at a very reasonable price.
Also while the SD 800 is awesome to unlock it past the potential already achieved by the Devs on this one will take a good Dev on that device. So
Honestly as a user, if you like a 7 inch tablet this is the one for this year IMHO. But if your a tech geek like me well... I like to buy them all lol.

RCranium666 said:
Why the heck would a kindle need a sd800?
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I am just reading that and baffled myself Lmao.
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conan1600 said:
Tegra 4 and SD 800 are just days to a few months away. They have the potential to be awesome.
That said this S4 is more of a SD 600 than a S4 and as you can see from the Dev section, can be clocked to 2.1 or possibly even 2.3 GHz. The GPU can also be OCed to 487. This machine will give all a user needs if they like the 7 inch form factor at a very reasonable price.
Also while the SD 800 is awesome to unlock it past the potential already achieved by the Devs on this one will take a good Dev on that device. So
Honestly as a user, if you like a 7 inch tablet this is the one for this year IMHO. But if your a tech geek like me well... I like to buy them all lol.
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I'm thinking that I should just get this tab and be happy with it for a year or more. I mean the most intensive game I play is Riptide GP2, and my Nexus 4 runs that fine on stock with high settings. I will also be doing some emulation on it, but if my Nexus 4 can run it, the Nexus 7 will be able to even better
2.3 GHz is insane for a mobile device that is $230. But since money is pretty tight for me maybe a $230 tablet is probably all I will be able to afford. And about the Kindle Fire, those have always been bad for development and I like to have root and custom roms, and stuff.
So I think this will be the tablet that I'm going to get.
Thanks

sonofevil77 said:
I am just reading that and baffled myself Lmao.
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Kindle community's for me is meh. But if nook follows in the steps of kindle well then that could be an inexpensive toy with some real nice specs after root and rom.

Never trust nVidia's promises or even their benchmarks. Their chips ALWAYS look killer on paper, but they are almost always very buggy and don't work the way nVidia claims they should. Check out every Tegra device made, short of the Nexus 7. Updates very rarely came, and when they did they were buggy and crappy. Even the Nexus 7 on 4.2 was a step backwards in terms of battery, speed, usability, etc. I won't touch another Tegra device until they prove otherwise.
The SnapDragon 800, on the other hand, while yes, it will be faster than the new N7, I don't believe will make its way into many 7" devices. Its just not necessary. The CPU isn't much faster than the current 600. Its main claim to fame will be its GPU. And 10"+ tablets and devices will begin having 4K resolution screens shortly, IMHO, where that will be needed. SnapDragon 800 in a ChromeBook would be fantastic as well.

Hello,
the Tegra 4 SoC do not support OpenGL ES 3.0 fully.
If you want to enjoy AAA games or apps in the near future you might not be able to do so.
Also most of the recent Tegra SoC had bad sound quality through headphones and tend to overheat.
Best regards,
pootney

You will not need anything more powerful then this device for a long while. This CPU/GPU are overkill as it is for any Android game made today.
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Richieboy67 said:
You will not need anything more powerful then this device for a long while. This CPU/GPU are overkill as it is for any Android have made today.
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However, we don't know what KeyLimePie will bring this fall. What is overkill now may be barely cutting it on a new OS.

i use to be all about tegra myself but tegra is not all that good. battery life is horrible and there are heat issues, the htc one x i had got pretty freaking hot. i wanted a tegra 4 tablet like the new toshiba excite but for $480<==F that. i already spent $400 for preordering my ps4 so im not gonna spend that kind of money on a tablet. Nexus 7 is perfect and lightweight. its $270 i can run android games and emulators. with a rooted nexus 7 you can bluetooth a ps3 controller to it for those games and emulators. plus it runs the default android OS which is the best OS out there. The nexus 7 will have a lot more support from devs for kernels, roms, mods, etc...... Seriously buy a nexus 7 and with the money, give it a nice case. kernels for this device can OC the cpu/gpu as well.

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However, we don't know what KeyLimePie will bring this fall. What is overkill now may be barely cutting it on a new OS.
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Doubtful..
Do you think they would release something that would render 95% of devices to be barely able to even run it including their very own devices?
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Doubtful..
Do you think they would release something that would render 95% of devices to be barely able to even run it including their very own devices?
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No, I don't THINK that will happen, but let's be honest. 95% of devices won't get KLP anyways. I'm not saying it wont run it, just that the overkill may not be overkill in 5 months. History says otherwise, but look at apple updates. Sometimes the new releases run like crap on older devices.
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icase81 said:
Never trust nVidia's promises or even their benchmarks. Their chips ALWAYS look killer on paper, but they are almost always very buggy and don't work the way nVidia claims they should. Check out every Tegra device made, short of the Nexus 7. Updates very rarely came, and when they did they were buggy and crappy. Even the Nexus 7 on 4.2 was a step backwards in terms of battery, speed, usability, etc. I won't touch another Tegra device until they prove otherwise.
The SnapDragon 800, on the other hand, while yes, it will be faster than the new N7, I don't believe will make its way into many 7" devices. Its just not necessary. The CPU isn't much faster than the current 600. Its main claim to fame will be its GPU. And 10"+ tablets and devices will begin having 4K resolution screens shortly, IMHO, where that will be needed. SnapDragon 800 in a ChromeBook would be fantastic as well.
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WOW!!!! Apparently you've never heard of or seen the Asus Infinity (10.1" with Tegra 3)!!!! I don't know what you mean about "updates very rarely came". Asus was amongst the first, if not the first, to release 4.2 on the Infinity!! Buggy? Not at alll!!! Games look and play amazing on it!! Has a mini HDMI port on the side of the tablet for connecting it up to a TV. I've played many games for many hours with my Infinity connected to my TV, and using a PS3 controller and the Sixaxis app. Never an issue or hiccup of any kind what so ever!! It also has the best looking display on ANY device in my opinion!
Before dogging all Tegra devices, you REALLY need some hands on experience with them!!!
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WOW!!!! Apparently you've never heard of or seen the Asus Infinity (10.1" with Tegra 3)!!!! I don't know what you mean about "updates very rarely came". Asus was amongst the first, if not the first, to release 4.2 on the Infinity!! Buggy? Not at alll!!! Games look and play amazing on it!! Has a mini HDMI port on the side of the tablet for connecting it up to a TV. I've played many games for many hours with my Infinity connected to my TV, and using a PS3 controller and the Sixaxis app. Never an issue or hiccup of any kind what so ever!! It also has the best looking display on ANY device in my opinion!
Before dogging all Tegra devices, you REALLY need some hands on experience with them!!!
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I assure you, I have PLENTY of Tegra device experience. Moto Xoom, LG G2x, Nexus 7, Droid X2, HTC One X+, development in general for all devices. Believe me when I say, nVidia says things work one way, and more often than not, they don't. They require a LOT of extra development workarounds and time to optimize and get them to behave acceptably. I have a feeling that Asus benefited from the Google relationship with the Nexus 7 being a Tegra 3 and applied that knowledge to the rest of their devices. If Asus was willing to spend the time and engineering brains to figure out all those work arounds, kudos to them. Most other manufacturers were not. Even things that are EASY to develop for barely get Android updates, and if theres any sign of it not working right, they just throw in the towel.
The original Nexus 7 worked well, and I'm not saying your Asus tablet doesn't, but the vast majority of nVidia powered devices are not good in the long run.
Check out this article about the history of the way nVidia has dealt with the Tegra chips.
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/02/18/nvidias-telegraphs-tegras-woes-at-ces/
Also, sweet Mustang. I happen to drive a 64 Mercury Comet wagon with a 427FE that runs high 8's. Its a Dyno Don car. I dont own it, just drive it, but its a blast.

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WOW!!!! Apparently you've never heard of or seen the Asus Infinity (10.1" with Tegra 3)!!!! I don't know what you mean about "updates very rarely came". Asus was amongst the first, if not the first, to release 4.2 on the Infinity!! Buggy? Not at alll!!! Games look and play amazing on it!! Has a mini HDMI port on the side of the tablet for connecting it up to a TV. I've played many games for many hours with my Infinity connected to my TV, and using a PS3 controller and the Sixaxis app. Never an issue or hiccup of any kind what so ever!! It also has the best looking display on ANY device in my opinion!
Before dogging all Tegra devices, you REALLY need some hands on experience with them!!!
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Tegra Devices in general are just bleh. Video play back always seems lacking. /shrug
Asus will only update their devices once. maybe twice. That isn't support. They only do that as they have a "Life cycle" of their devices. Once reached. Its end of line.
Best display? Lol you lost me there.

The Tegra 4's CPU is equal or better than the SD 800. The Tegra 4's GPU is also equal or better than the Adreno 330.
For those saying that the battery life is horrible - what are you smoking? One of the things the Tegra 3 was lauded for was battery life. Anandtech recorded 18 HOURS of video playback with the Tegra 4 - not even the iPad could touch that.
IMO, the Tegra 4 is a premium SoC. If you really want the latest and greatest, wait for the Tegra 4. Otherwise, the N7v2 will do just fine.
Don't kid yourselves into thinking the Tegra 4 is horrible though...

Nintendo Wii Games Officially Coming To Shield Tv (China Only for Now)

I'm surprised nobody is talking about this here. This is pretty big.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.en...05/nintendo-wii-gamecube-nvidia-shield-china/

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I'm surprised nobody is talking about this here. This is pretty big.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.en...05/nintendo-wii-gamecube-nvidia-shield-china/
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Yeah I've been checking on here to see if anyone had mentioned anything about it. I'm curious to see what the difference is between the Chinese version of the Shield and the current one.
I'm presuming there will be a TV version of the JD.com app but I'm wondering if there will be any different framework in the ROM so that this app and the Wii/GC games only work on that variant.

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Yeah I've been checking on here to see if anyone had mentioned anything about it. I'm curious to see what the difference is between the Chinese version of the Shield and the current one.
I'm presuming there will be a TV version of the JD.com app but I'm wondering if there will be any different framework in the ROM so that this app and the Wii/GC games only work on that variant.
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according to sources, its gonna be HD remakes of the games and all upscaled to 1080p, and people are speculating that they'll be downloads so ppl might make APK mods and end up being free.

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according to sources, its gonna be HD remakes of the games and all upscaled to 1080p, and people are speculating that they'll be downloads so ppl might make APK mods and end up being free.
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When I say ROM I specifically mean the Nvidia firmware. When Nvidia released shield exclusive games in the past they put certain checks in them and referenced Nvidia graphics libraries to play the games.
Hopefully we will have the same graphics libraries in the firmware but if we have different framework information then I'm guessing that would have to be bypassed in the APK or spoofed/installed on our Shield TV version.
It's too early to say if all this is possible I guess.

has not been talked about here because this is old news. Before the second gen shield tv was released, before the nintendo switch was released, it was stated that nintendo would be porting over a couple of games to the shield and they would not receive a North American release. Most likely part of the nvidia nintendo switch deal. Doubt nintendo does the actual porting though. Also shows how easily wii games could be ported to the switch. Goes to show, the shield tv isn't really meant to be much of a gaming system though, not in nvidias eyes. I say this because nvidia could have partnered with game developers to bring AAA ports and AAA exclusives. Look at all the game developer love the switch has gotten and continues to get, in theory all of those games should run on the shield. Afterall, the switch is a shield tv with an extra gb of ram, but the switch cpu gpu and ram are under clocked and under voltage to allow longer battery life.

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has not been talked about here because this is old news. Before the second gen shield tv was released, before the nintendo switch was released, it was stated that nintendo would be porting over a couple of games to the shield and they would not receive a North American release. Most likely part of the nvidia nintendo switch deal. Doubt nintendo does the actual porting though. Also shows how easily wii games could be ported to the switch. Goes to show, the shield tv isn't really meant to be much of a gaming system though, not in nvidias eyes. I say this because nvidia could have partnered with game developers to bring AAA ports and AAA exclusives. Look at all the game developer love the switch has gotten and continues to get, in theory all of those games should run on the shield. Afterall, the switch is a shield tv with an extra gb of ram, but the switch cpu gpu and ram are under clocked and under voltage to allow longer battery life.
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its old news that it was supposed to happen. now its actually happening tho id think ppl would at least discuss it was my point in my question. its still big news im sure someone will find a way to spoof the games to run on USA versions of the shield like the guy above mentioned, i agree with everything you said except the part about the AAA games, they already did that and have some thats what geforce now is for.

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When I say ROM I specifically mean the Nvidia firmware. When Nvidia released shield exclusive games in the past they put certain checks in them and referenced Nvidia graphics libraries to play the games.
Hopefully we will have the same graphics libraries in the firmware but if we have different framework information then I'm guessing that would have to be bypassed in the APK or spoofed/installed on our Shield TV version.
It's too early to say if all this is possible I guess.
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yeah ik what u meant, i was just making the point about modded apks and such since the games do seem to be something that can be downloaded.
but i agree its too early to say, lets keep hope alive tho

Except they haven't done that. How many AAA games run on the shield? Hardly any, couple out dated games got ported. GeForce now is a joke & doesn't count as AAA titles for the shield since they aren't running on the shield. Any android device can stream games.

It's probably all down to money. I'm guessing they make a lot more from their Geforce Now service than they would porting games.
Shield TV also isn't portable like the Nintendo Switch so doesn't have that niche selling point (it's up against Sony and Microsoft if it pitches itself as a gaming device and it's always going to lose that one) and Nintendo has a fairly big die hard following so game developers are more inclined to make games for the Switch... they will sell.
It's a shame that we probably won't see the Shield reach its potential as a gaming device but to be honest I use it more as an all round media device that can do a lot of things so I'm fairly happy.

Did anybody have any luck with finding the APK files for the Nintendo games? I want to see if the games work with GLTools like Half Life and Portal does.

Farfala said:
Did anybody have any luck with finding the APK files for the Nintendo games? I want to see if the games work with GLTools like Half Life and Portal does.
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Isn't it only the Tegra 4 (shield portable) compatible games that work with GL Tools?