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Unlockable bootloader!

At the very least on the unlocked version, and covered under warranty too!
http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/
"Your HTC warranty even covers bootloader unlocking on the HTC 10!
For more bootloader unlocking info, visit www.htcdev.com"
It still shows up if the AT&T version is clicked, but it's a little less clear.
Still, if AT&T doesn't end up selling directly, I have no idea why anyone wouldn't buy the unlocked version.

HTC has always been good about this especially with their unlocked version. I do hope this unlocked version will have the right band support much like the Nexus 5X and 6P.

Cloudrift said:
HTC has always been good about this especially with their unlocked version. I do hope this unlocked version will have the right band support much like the Nexus 5X and 6P.
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I think one difference this time is they said it's included in the warranty. I'm still using my old M8, so I can't speak for the M9 or A9. However, from what I've seen historically, there was always the risk that HTC wouldn't honor the warranty if the bootloader was unlocked. It's nice to see that it's covered this time though.
Here's what we got for bands:
#UHL SKU (EMEA/Asia)
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS
850/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE (up to 450Mbps)
FDD: Bands 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20, 28, 32
TDD: Bands 38, 40, 41
Support Cat 9 LTE, download up to 450 Mbps, upload up to 50 Mbps
#WL SKU(America)
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A
3G UMTS
850/AWS/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE (up to 450Mbps)
FDD: Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 20, 28, 29, 30
Support Cat 9 LTE, download up to 450 Mbps, upload up to 50 Mbps
#UHL SKU(Japan)
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE
800/850/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS
850/900/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE (up to 450Mbps)
FDD: Bands 1, 3, 5, 7, 13, 17, 19, 21, 26
TDD: Bands 38, 41
Support Cat 9 LTE, download up to 450 Mbps, upload up to 50 Mbps
While it's not as comprehensives as what I have on my Moto X Pure 2015, my initial looking shows that LTE should work in most major European and Asian countries as well as Australia and New Zealand. Didn't check South America/Caribbean.

Superguy said:
I think one difference this time is they said it's included in the warranty. I'm still using my old M8, so I can't speak for the M9 or A9. However, from what I've seen historically, there was always the risk that HTC wouldn't honor the warranty if the bootloader was unlocked. It's nice to see that it's covered this time though.
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This is good news, indeed!
Though, I had two hardware issues with my M8, and they honored my warranty even though the phone had a custom ROM and unlocked bootloader on it :good:

Anonaru said:
This is good news, indeed!
Though, I had two hardware issues with my M8, and they honored my warranty even though the phone had a custom ROM and unlocked bootloader on it :good:
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I've often wondered if HTC is more tolerant than others considering their smaller marketshare and this is an area where they can set themselves apart.

Superguy said:
I've often wondered if HTC is more tolerant than others considering their smaller marketshare and this is an area where they can set themselves apart.
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They thump the "developer friendly" drum, and of course are quite great with warranty / service in this regard... Though if you've ever scrolled through their sources, you will know that they have some progress to make when it comes to being dev friendly :laugh:
Having a risk-free bootloader unlock / tinker will do wonders for this, though. People will really go to town on the M10, which is going to be a golden age for us future M10 owners

Superguy said:
At the very least on the unlocked version, and covered under warranty too!
http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/
"Your HTC warranty even covers bootloader unlocking on the HTC 10!
For more bootloader unlocking info, visit www.htcdev.com"
It still shows up if the AT&T version is clicked, but it's a little less clear.
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It actually doesn't show the Unlocked version if you go to your cart afterwards. Both unlocked and T-Mobile versions show 'T-Mobile' in the product title once in the cart. Might actually mean that there isn't any difference between the two, and devunlock is now under warranty by default?

Pretty sure verizon will have it locked down so hard that beaups wont be able to unlock it for awhile

Maybe we'll get lucky and Firewater or Sunshine will have S-OFF for us quickly too.

Superguy said:
Maybe we'll get lucky and Firewater or Sunshine will have S-OFF for us quickly too.
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Ask and you shall receive!

so is the bootloader unlocked or not?
Edit - I see that it's covered here: http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/
"Your HTC warranty even covers bootloader unlocking on the HTC 10!
For more bootloader unlocking info, visit www.htcdev.com"

I am highly interested in the new HTC 10, I hate that the IR blaster is gone, but it appears to make up for that in all the other areas. My question is, can I get the unlocked version and use it on Verizon with full functionality? Or should I just wait for bootloader unlock and root on the Verizon version to purchase? Decisions, Decisions Really hope this phone sees bootloader unlock, and root! I have Verizon grandfathered unlimited data plan, and use my hotspot on my jailbroken iPhone daily. Really want to go back to Android for my next phone and this looks like the device to switch back to, but I cant do it if Verizon's punk ass keeps locking down the bootloaders effective making Android devices useless to me. I wont buy a device I cant jailbreak or root for having to have the hotspot.

awareunlikeu said:
I My question is, can I get the unlocked version and use it on Verizon with full functionality? Or should I just wait for bootloader unlock and root on the Verizon version to purchase? Decisions, Decisions
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"The Unlocked version is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile. " That's just below the pre-order button. So, no CDMA support on the unlocked version currently available for pre-order.

lost_ said:
"The Unlocked version is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile. " That's just below the pre-order button. So, no CDMA support on the unlocked version currently available for pre-order.
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Yeah I saw but was hoping for a Nexus like device that would work on all carriers?? Guess I am going to keep wishing huh? If it gets unlocked bootloader/root on Verizon, I will pick this one up and make my return back to Android. I was just hoping that we could have a HTC 10 that worked across all carriers. Perhaps they will come out with a dual sim version down the line? Crossing fingers for all of it. My M8 was my favorite phone minus the ****ty camera.

Superguy said:
I think one difference this time is they said it's included in the warranty. I'm still using my old M8, so I can't speak for the M9 or A9. However, from what I've seen historically, there was always the risk that HTC wouldn't honor the warranty if the bootloader was unlocked. It's nice to see that it's covered this time though.
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I had a M8, scren broke after a week when I left it on my desk, like a very little shock, when I've asked for a repair, support was OK, till they saw on their screen that it was unlocked.
Support told me that rooted smartphones could break a screen ... I've asked for a proof, never had one.
On a side note, my wife had the same M8, unrooted, screen broke almost the same way; got a replacement.
Obviously, the screen on this model was bad

awareunlikeu said:
Yeah I saw but was hoping for a Nexus like device that would work on all carriers??
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I asked Jeff Gordon (HTC US employee on Twitter, not the NASCAR driver) about bootloader unlocked. He confirmed, and also says still waiting for Sprint and VZW approval.
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Please don't F this phone up for me Verizon! Let us have at least one Android phone that we can make ours!

lost_ said:
I asked Jeff Gordon (HTC US employee on Twitter, not the NASCAR driver) about bootloader unlocked. He confirmed, and also says still waiting for Sprint and VZW approval.
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I can see both Verizon and Sprint squirming in their boots at this one
"But how will we put our crappy carrier apps that haven't been updated in a decade in there??"
Although I absolutely love making my phone mine, the only reason I rooted initially was to shake the sprint crap :good: That aside, this is a tremendous announcement, and would be blooming fantastic if it became a thing

lost_ said:
"The Unlocked version is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile. " That's just below the pre-order button. So, no CDMA support on the unlocked version currently available for pre-order.
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There's only 1 published SKU for the US and it supports both GSM and CDMA so I suspect that the unlocked model sold by HTC will indeed work on Verizon and Sprint but the two carriers haven't certified it yet, and likely will want you to purchase a software locked version from them directly. If we can confirm the radios will work, then unlocked is definitely the way to go. No VZW bloat and warranty bootloader unlock support!

drumz0rz said:
There's only 1 published SKU for the US and it supports both GSM and CDMA so I suspect that the unlocked model sold by HTC will indeed work on Verizon and Sprint but the two carriers haven't certified it yet, and likely will want you to purchase a software locked version from them directly. If we can confirm the radios will work, then unlocked is definitely the way to go. No VZW bloat and warranty bootloader unlock support!
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Yeah I will be all over this bad boy if it has full functionality on VZW's network!
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Just preordered my Unlocked Glacier Silver! Hoping I can just pop in my sim from my iPhone 6Plus.. Will update! Seems the darker color is already out of stock. So if you are on fence, might want to act quickly! I am looking forward to see if this works! And to a prospering dev community for it if all goes well for the carrier editions having bootloader unlock!

Difference Single- / Dual-SIM Note7

As with the Note5, the Note7 comes with different SIM models, some with single SIM, where you can add an SDcard in the second slot and the DUOS models, where you can add a second SIM or an SDcard to the second slot.
Does someone know, what's the physical difference between the two systems? From a manufacturing point of view, it doesn't make sense to produce two systems that are so similar.
And, if it will be implemented the same way as on the Note5, even the firmware for both systems should be the same.
I wonder, if it is really necessary to buy a DUOS - eg an N930FD - instead of a N930F to use two SIM cards.
Anyone here, how knows the difference between the two systems?

hkr said:
As with the Note5, the Note7 comes with different SIM models, some with single SIM, where you can add an SDcard in the second slot and the DUOS models, where you can add a second SIM or an SDcard to the second slot.
Does someone know, what's the physical difference between the two systems? From a manufacturing point of view, it doesn't make sense to produce two systems that are so similar.
And, if it will be implemented the same way as on the Note5, even the firmware for both systems should be the same.
I wonder, if it is really necessary to buy a DUOS - eg an N930FD - instead of a N930F to use two SIM cards.
Anyone here, how knows the difference between the two systems?
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i want to know this too. More importantly (for me) will it work properly on AT&T?
ON EBAY it lists the following bands:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Samsung...hash=item3ac95b11b6:m:mv6a3OIYs0V1HNlXutJQbkA :
LTE 2100 (B1), 700 (B17), 850 (B5), 1700/2100 (B4), 1800 (B3), 2600 (B7), 1900 (B2), 800 (B18), 900 (B8), 800 (B20), 700 (B12), 800 (B26), 800 (B19)
Does that include all the AT&T LTE bands?

hkr said:
As with the Note5, the Note7 comes with different SIM models, some with single SIM, where you can add an SDcard in the second slot and the DUOS models, where you can add a second SIM or an SDcard to the second slot.
Does someone know, what's the physical difference between the two systems? From a manufacturing point of view, it doesn't make sense to produce two systems that are so similar.
And, if it will be implemented the same way as on the Note5, even the firmware for both systems should be the same.
I wonder, if it is really necessary to buy a DUOS - eg an N930FD - instead of a N930F to use two SIM cards.
Anyone here, how knows the difference between the two systems?
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The tray is different, so you would at least have to get a SIM tray from a Duos version.
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I don't think that the "non duos" version can take two sim card, the second sim card sensor is probably not there. Anyway it could be interesting to try to use two sims in a single sim version with a tray from the duos version. But yes, you have been able to use "single sim" firmware on the dual sim version of previous models, so you will probably also be able to on this one.

Thank you, obviously, the tray is different than the DUOS tray from the Note5 ... Will be difficult to find a tray to try ourt
If someone herecould try it out someday, that would be great.
However, I guess it would be difficult to find a place to buy a tray, if the DUOS one would work in the single SIM Note7.
What do you think?

Is there a difference between the bands in the FD dual sim and the F single sim variant?
I'm a frequent US/Asia traveler but I can't find the Duos model in Blue on eBay.

moqabianqa said:
Is there a difference between the bands in the FD dual sim and the F single sim variant?
I'm a frequent US/Asia traveler but I can't find the Duos model in Blue on eBay.
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You could probably check the frequencies to make sure that it had the correct once. The S7 Edge had a wide set of frequencies supported, and I am thinking that the same will be the case here. It is the same model being available in many regions.
I have found two third party pages specifying the frequencies, however it is third parts so it is no 100% validated. Site 1 and Site 2
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hkr said:
Thank you, obviously, the tray is different than the DUOS tray from the Note5 ... Will be difficult to find a tray to try ourt
If someone herecould try it out someday, that would be great.
However, I guess it would be difficult to find a place to buy a tray, if the DUOS one would work in the single SIM Note7.
What do you think?
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Yes, I think it would be quite hard to get the tray - and I dont think it would work. But if I god the phone and know someone with the single sim, I would probably check

Thanks, EMF
My guess is, both systems are basically the same (DUOS). However, as especially european carriers won't sell DUOS systems to maximize their profits, Samsung made a special tray that doesn't allow to add a second SIM. It's the easiest way to deliver a single SIM device.
As soon as both systems are available, someone will find out, if my guess is right or wrong ...

I ended up using frequencycheck.com to confirm my research and I ordered a n930fd as well as the T-mobile version here in California.
Hope it can help someone else out.
But if I find someone around here with the n930f NON DUOS, I will go ahead and try swapping sim trays and reply back here!

malaysian version

EMF said:
The tray is different, so you would at least have to get a SIM tray from a Duos version.
I don't think that the "non duos" version can take two sim card, the second sim card sensor is probably not there. Anyway it could be interesting to try to use two sims in a single sim version with a tray from the duos version. But yes, you have been able to use "single sim" firmware on the dual sim version of previous models, so you will probably also be able to on this one.
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i read somewhere on s7 edge DUOS forum, the explanation is, DUOS model has 2nd IMEI. so, if you have non duos, then you only have 1 IMEI, thus to put 2nd SIM despite you use correct SIM tray, it will not work.

china note 7 dual sim is snapdragon 128gb storage and 6gb ram unlocked bootloader
international is exynos 4gb ram xx storage unlocked bootloader
usa gets locked down snapdragons? Except Tmobile? also 4gb ram xx storage

Would love to know if the dual Sim will work properly on AT&T...
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travis82 said:
china note 7 dual sim is snapdragon 128gb storage and 6gb ram unlocked bootloader
international is exynos 4gb ram xx storage unlocked bootloader
usa gets locked down snapdragons? Except Tmobile? also 4gb ram xx storage
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Hey Travis, I think the T-Mobile US version no longer comes with the Unlocked bootloader anymore :'(! I believe they stopped doing this since the S7. Of course, we won't know for sure until someone gets their actual unit, but based on the S7 and S7 Snapdragon trends, it's safe to conclude that. Of course I tried asking the T-Mobile store rep and he was like, "Boooottloooaaderrrr??" SMH...!

ekerbuddyeker said:
Would love to know if the dual Sim will work properly on AT&T...
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I think its missing 1 LTE band
https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...930fd-galaxy-note-7-duos-td-lte/united-states

erootaku123 said:
I think its missing 1 LTE band
https://www.frequencycheck.com/comp...930fd-galaxy-note-7-duos-td-lte/united-states
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But how important is that. I bet it can be switched on...
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ekerbuddyeker said:
But how important is that. I bet it can be switched on...
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I doubt it. Its chipped based I think. Though you have the other 3 bands so LTE might work then again im not so sure. All I know is t-mobile works thats all that matters!

Hi Guys,
I'm tired of asking for more and more details and not enough answers. Can you guys help me come up with a bottom line?
If I need an unlocked Bootloader and custom development support and using the phone in the US on AT&T or T-Mobile, which variant should I get? The regular N930F or the Dual SIM version the N930FD?
Thanks for your help!

ProFragger said:
Hi Guys,
I'm tired of asking for more and more details and not enough answers. Can you guys help me come up with a bottom line?
If I need an unlocked Bootloader and custom development support and using the phone in the US on AT&T or T-Mobile, which variant should I get? The regular N930F or the Dual SIM version the N930FD?
Thanks for your help!
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For just using if you have AT&T and want 100% use, buy the USA version. If you use T-Mobile buy the N930FD for unlocked development. In the end I would say dont use AT&T cause the only model that works 100% is locked and may not get development support unless they can bypass that.
I'm getting the Dual SIM version FYI. I use T-mobile.

erootaku123 said:
For just using if you have AT&T and want 100% use, buy the USA version. If you use T-Mobile buy the N930FD for unlocked development. In the end I would say dont use AT&T cause the only model that works 100% is locked and may not get development support unless they can bypass that.
I'm getting the Dual SIM version FYI. I use T-mobile.
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Thanks bud! And what band is this for AT&T that's missing? Is it a widely used frequency for them?

erootaku123 said:
For just using if you have AT&T and want 100% use, buy the USA version. If you use T-Mobile buy the N930FD for unlocked development. In the end I would say dont use AT&T cause the only model that works 100% is locked and may not get development support unless they can bypass that.
I'm getting the Dual SIM version FYI. I use T-mobile.
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Is the N930FD the most compatible for T-Mobile and will have development support?
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Verizon Pixel XL on AT&T - Do bands 12/17 work?

Can someone put an AT&T Sim into their Verizon Pixel XL and let us know if Bands 12/17 are showing up?
Use the app LTE Discovery to check.
Thanks in advance.

MrBaltazar said:
Can someone put an AT&T Sim into their Verizon Pixel XL and let us know if Bands 12/17 are showing up?
Use the app LTE Discovery to check.
Thanks in advance.
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I didn't test there but there's no reason why they wouldn't work. It the exact same hardware, same baseband. Only difference is that the VZW version has a locked bootloader. Google and VZW have been clear about this: it's the same phone other than the bootloader.

RomPlinker said:
I didn't test there but there's no reason why they wouldn't work. It the exact same hardware, same baseband. Only difference is that the VZW version has a locked bootloader. Google and VZW have been clear about this: it's the same phone other than the bootloader.
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Verizon locked the LTE bands on the S7 and S7 Edge to only theirs. I had to flash AT&T firmware to use the AT&T bands. It's high possibility they locked the band's on the pixel since they locked the bootloader

MrBaltazar said:
Can someone put an AT&T Sim into their Verizon Pixel XL and let us know if Bands 12/17 are showing up?
Use the app LTE Discovery to check.
Thanks in advance.
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VZW Pixel XL jumped on Band 12 no problem with a Tmobile sim. So it appears the band isn't disabled on the phone.
Unsure of 17. Don't have a ATT sim to test with. But 17 is a subset of 12. So in theory. It should be unlocked.
Can confirm band 12 WAS disabled on my Note 7 (VZW). Doesn't appear they gimped the Pixel's.
Proof.
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NickOlsen8390 said:
VZW Pixel XL jumped on Band 12 no problem with a Tmobile sim. So it appears the band isn't disabled on the phone.
Unsure of 17. Don't have a ATT sim to test with. But 17 is a subset of 12. So in theory. It should be unlocked.
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You are correct that 17 is a subset of 12 - but they are advertised as different bands by the enodeb unless using the multi-frequency band indicator. I don't believe mfbi is widely deployed outside of lab testing these days.
That said on AT&T's RAN my device (non-VZW pixel xl) will latch onto AT&T's band 17 (addressing it as band 17, and not as a subset of 12. E.g. it's using 17 earfcn's).

RomPlinker said:
You are correct that 17 is a subset of 12 - but they are advertised as different bands by the enodeb unless using the multi-frequency band indicator. I don't believe mfbi is widely deployed outside of lab testing these days.
That said on AT&T's RAN my device (non-VZW pixel xl) will latch onto AT&T's band 17 (addressing it as band 17, and not as a subset of 12. E.g. it's using 17 earfcn's).
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Interesting. I remember reading ATT was the one using MFBI as part of them picking up US Cellulars Band 12. And wanting to allow Band 12 only phones to associate to Band 17. Perhaps they've disabled that as they've gotten US Cellular phones out of peoples hands.
Thanks for the info!

MrBaltazar said:
Verizon locked the LTE bands on the S7 and S7 Edge to only theirs. I had to flash AT&T firmware to use the AT&T bands. It's high possibility they locked the band's on the pixel since they locked the bootloader
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Here you go straight from Zdnet:
Verizon's advertising campaign would like to make you think the Pixel is only available in the US from the carrier, but the truth is you can purchase the Pixel directly from Google or at Best Buy. All Pixel phones are unlocked and will work on all major US carriers.
Google sent me a Pixel XL with a Verizon Wireless SIM card, and I was able to switch between Verizon and my personal AT&T SIM card without any issue.

NickOlsen8390 said:
Interesting. I remember reading ATT was the one using MFBI as part of them picking up US Cellulars Band 12. And wanting to allow Band 12 only phones to associate to Band 17. Perhaps they've disabled that as they've gotten US Cellular phones out of peoples hands.
Thanks for the info!
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I didn't think (but I could be wrong) they've widely deployed it yet - but I'm sure they will. There's an FCC mandate. Either way, it looks like your answer is solved. The VZW pixel is known to work at least on band 12, and I've confirmed that I'm camping on a band 17 earfcn at this time with mine (there would be no reason for them to restrict 17 if they weren't restricting 12).

RomPlinker said:
I didn't think (but I could be wrong) they've widely deployed it yet - but I'm sure they will. There's an FCC mandate. Either way, it looks like your answer is solved. The VZW pixel is known to work at least on band 12, and I've confirmed that I'm camping on a band 17 earfcn at this time with mine (there would be no reason for them to restrict 17 if they weren't restricting 12).
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Thank you for confirmation of band 17. It is a subset of 12

jawmail said:
Here you go straight from Zdnet:
Verizon's advertising campaign would like to make you think the Pixel is only available in the US from the carrier, but the truth is you can purchase the Pixel directly from Google or at Best Buy. All Pixel phones are unlocked and will work on all major US carriers.
Google sent me a Pixel XL with a Verizon Wireless SIM card, and I was able to switch between Verizon and my personal AT&T SIM card without any issue.
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Please confirm your att LTE band with LTE Discovery app. You may be on band 3 also

NickOlsen8390 said:
VZW Pixel XL jumped on Band 12 no problem with a Tmobile sim. So it appears the band isn't disabled on the phone.
Unsure of 17. Don't have a ATT sim to test with. But 17 is a subset of 12. So in theory. It should be unlocked.
Can confirm band 12 WAS disabled on my Note 7 (VZW). Doesn't appear they gimped the Pixel's.
Proof.
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Yes this confirms 12 and 17 are unlocked compared to the Samsung devices which I only got band 3 in rural areas with (because 3 is shared between Verizon and AT&T, thus unlocked)
Thank you for having experience with the note 7 and comparing the two. I had a note 7 and went with the s7 edge but may be trading it in for the Pixel XL. Just wanted to verify LTE bands. Thank you again for posting this

ONLY h+ FOR ME

I took the SIM Card from my daughters iPhone and used it on the Pixel. I had LTE with 25mbps down and 12mbps up. Texting and MMS worked. Didn't try the Advanced Calling. I know these are different for each carrier.

rmckenney23 said:
I took the SIM Card from my daughters iPhone and used it on the Pixel. I had LTE with 25mbps down and 12mbps up. Texting and MMS worked. Didn't try the Advanced Calling. I know these are different for each carrier.
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What carrier? Also please run LTE Discovery from the app store and check the band it's using

I'm using a ATT Sim Card for a Verizon Model I bought from Best Buy. Works perfectly for me.. It shows Band 17 in LTE Discovery
http://imgur.com/GEcBxMr

I got my hands on an ATT SIM Yesterday. Band 17 is usable on the VZW pixel as expected.

NickOlsen8390 said:
I got my hands on an ATT SIM Yesterday. Band 17 is usable on the VZW pixel as expected.
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Unlocked Samsung on ATT or TMO

Does anyone know how the new unlocked devices handle carriers like ATT for calling features, like WiFi Calling? The Pixel works as long as your account is activated for WFC
If not, will you be able to flash carrier former on an unlocked device to get features working?

I don't know how that works with ATT - I know that my G975F does not get those calling features - but considering the unlocked Pixel Does get Wifi Calling and and Enhanced LTE on ATT, it is possible that an Unlocked Samsung Phone will too. (if it were a tmobile phone, it would not get WIfi Calling on ATT - but I honestly think the Unlocked Samsung Might) Good Luck.

Geekser said:
I don't know how that works with ATT - I know that my G975F does not get those calling features - but considering the unlocked Pixel Does get Wifi Calling and and Enhanced LTE on ATT, it is possible that an Unlocked Samsung Phone will too. (if it were a tmobile phone, it would not get WIfi Calling on ATT - but I honestly think the Unlocked Samsung Might) Good Luck.
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Wasn't sure ..... It was strange in that ordering the unlocked from Samsung have 600 credit for a Note 9 , but only 300 for an ATT ???
I have accounts with ATT and TMO ..... So I thought I know unlocked might be best
But I don't want to end up with no calling features on either

Worst case i would assume you could Odin the att files on the unlocked version to enable it. That's how it's been the last few years anyway with Samsung devices(snapdragons). I know that those features work on the unlocked with t mobile.

On T-Mobile I get WiFi calling and volte with my old Note 9 and current S10+. Never had an issue. The only thing you do t get is that aggregate LTE capability. But I don't really notice a difference in speeds. Not sure how it works with ATT.

jcrompton said:
Does anyone know how the new unlocked devices handle carriers like ATT for calling features, like WiFi Calling? The Pixel works as long as your account is activated for WFC
If not, will you be able to flash carrier former on an unlocked device to get features working?
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I can tell you that the Unlocked S10+ does NOT get WiFi Calling or VoLTE on AT&T.

S10+ here on T-Mobile all is solid with unlocked.. I expect the same on N10+
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guyd said:
I can tell you that the Unlocked S10+ does NOT get WiFi Calling or VoLTE on AT&T.
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Did you try any of the "tricks"? Like Odin flashing carrier firmware or making sure that ATT had your IMEI in their database or even putting an ATT device IMEI in your account settings?
Because if you do nothing and expect WiFi calling on a non ATT device it will never work

I have the unlocked Note 10+ on T-Mobile and have all of my carrier features except native video calling/rcs.

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Did you try any of the "tricks"? Like Odin flashing carrier firmware or making sure that ATT had your IMEI in their database or even putting an ATT device IMEI in your account settings?
Because if you do nothing and expect WiFi calling on a non ATT device it will never work
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Odin flash carrier firmware. I'd rather just buy the AT&T version and not have to go through the trouble.
Yes, AT&T has my IMEI in their database. I even gave them one from my AT&T branded S9+, but that trick doesn't work anymore. They read the IMEI directly out of the device at some point when it connects to their network.
I called support and asked them to verify that I had WiFi calling and VoLTE provisioned, but then when they saw the IMEI was from an unlocked S10+, they told me it wasn't supported.
I did everything I could short of flashing the carrier firmware, which I didn't want to do because I was considering switching back to Verizon. BTW, WiFi calling and VoLTE works fine on Verizon with an unlocked Samsung S9 or S10 without having to flash anything! It's AT&T that's being difficult.

What Guyd said. I called At&t to see if they coould provision a device. The young lady I spoke with gave a list of like 5 devices they can provision. I then asked about the unlocked firmware and they do not support unlocked firmware for advanced messaging..wifi calling..or volte
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guyd said:
Odin flash carrier firmware. I'd rather just buy the AT&T version and not have to go through the trouble.
Yes, AT&T has my IMEI in their database. I even gave them one from my AT&T branded S9+, but that trick doesn't work anymore. They read the IMEI directly out of the device at some point when it connects to their network.
I called support and asked them to verify that I had WiFi calling and VoLTE provisioned, but then when they saw the IMEI was from an unlocked S10+, they told me it wasn't supported.
I did everything I could short of flashing the carrier firmware, which I didn't want to do because I was considering switching back to Verizon. BTW, WiFi calling and VoLTE works fine on Verizon with an unlocked Samsung S9 or S10 without having to flash anything! It's AT&T that's being difficult.
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For sure, with some of my prior devices unlocked firmware or even custom ROMs would not allow for ATT to be successful with WFC. It takes an IMEI ,(that's from an ATT branded device that does WiFi calling in your billing account) ..... AND ..... The correct CSC stuff ...... AND ...... a couple of files that are used by the system with ATT WFC.
The Pixel 3 and Pixel 3a had all that was needed, even though unlocked, to work with ATT and obtain WFC as long as you had correct info on ATTs end with an IMEI that allowed for WFC on their Network.
Btw in my experience I never had any issues with another IMEI being maintained in my billing account but admittedly it was easier for me to change IMEI because I could do it myself with my business account portal.
But some prior devices like the Note 9 and S9 and 10 required other stuff including files to make things to work.
My original question was a hopeful one that the newer device Note 10 (unlocked) possibly had everything it needed ( at least on the phone's end to make things work, like the Pixels do).
Btw. In my experience, asking level 1 or even 2 ATT tech support is utterly useless with things like this.
They don't " support" anything that isn't in their cookbooks that they read from during a tech support call!!!!!
All that said, my guess is that we may have to flash carrier firmware with Odin to get calling features with ATT but I also guess that TMobile will work out of the box, as I believe some have confirmed already
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What Guyd said. I called At&t to see if they coould provision a device. The young lady I spoke with gave a list of like 5 devices they can provision. I then asked about the unlocked firmware and they do not support unlocked firmware for advanced messaging..wifi calling..or volte
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chetly968 said:
On T-Mobile I get WiFi calling and volte with my old Note 9 and current S10+. Never had an issue. The only thing you do t get is that aggregate LTE capability. But I don't really notice a difference in speeds. Not sure how it works with ATT.
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What is aggregate LTE?
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@aznmode .
google is your friend : ask for ATT Carrier Agregation
it's the association of multiple frequencies for better Peak data rate in LT-Advanced

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@aznmode .
google is your friend : ask for ATT Carrier Agregation
it's the association of multiple frequencies for better Peak data rate in LT-Advanced
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I searched for aggregate LTE and I was confused when it showed "carrier" integration and I assume carrier meant providers. But I get it now. Thanks for the reply.

aznmode said:
I searched for aggregate LTE and I was confused when it showed "carrier" integration and I assume carrier meant providers. But I get it now. Thanks for the reply.
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Will this work with unlocked?
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Has there ever been an attempt to sue AT&T since they force you to buy from them...and disable phone's features that you pay for but can't use due to having an unlocked phone?

johnronin said:
Has there ever been an attempt to sue AT&T since they force you to buy from them...and disable phone's features that you pay for but can't use due to having an unlocked phone?
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No
1. They DON'T force you to buy from them. You can buy just about any unlocked device and use it on ATT. For example the Google Pixel or any of the Samsung Galaxy phones.
2. They haven't disabled anything on your phone. But they have a right to determine which phone features will work on their Network. Unless you are paying a separate fee for WiFi calling or VoLTE, then they aren't disabling anything that your paying for. They simply require you to use an ATT branded device to access certain free features.
Does it suck that you have to have an ATT branded device? Sure. Is it illegal. Absolutely not.
By the way, ALL the carriers do this to an extent. Sprint won't hardly activate a phone on their Network that isn't a Sprint branded device. I think they've eased those restrictions, but just a couple years ago with the Note 8, they had a very strict list of BYOD devices.
WiFi calling and VoLTE works on T-Mobile with an unlocked device, but RCA messaging and video calling from the stock dialer does not.
I'm not sure about Verizon, but I believe not all of their features work with the unbranded firmware either.

I flashed my unlocked Note 10 Plus to the ATT U firmware. I am using ATT prepaid. Right now ATT wifi calling doesn't work with Note 10 Plus but it does work for S10 Plus (and previous models). I am pretty sure this is because the Note 10 is still very new and their system needs some update. I will wait a couple weeks and see what happens.

What variant is recommended?

I have att network and I'm interested in buying the note 10+ 5g but can't figure out which variant is better. Which one would be the one that developers would probably be doing roms for in your opinions? Or if I buy a SM-N976B I can flash SM-N976n custom firmware?

Anybody? Or it doesn't matter?

look at this. then look at the forums see what's the most active
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look at this. then look at the forums see what's the most active View attachment 4849609
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That's a 4g model... I'm asking about the 5g version
To my understanding there's the SM-N976B, SM-N976F and SM-N976N versions... There is also a SM-N9760 d/S version... Don't know what would be the better international version to buy. Can anybody elaborate?
EDIT: which one would be the "global" version? Can't find this info anywhere
EDIT 2: Can anyone confirm the n976b is the better global factory unlocked version? I just saw it covers more bands than the rest in this link
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-plus-5g-sm-n976-model-number-differences/

m_reyna_16 said:
That's a 4g model... I'm asking about the 5g version
To my understanding there's the SM-N976B, SM-N976F and SM-N976N versions... There is also a SM-N9760 d/S version... Don't know what would be the better international version to buy. Can anybody elaborate?
EDIT: which one would be the "global" version? Can't find this info anywhere
EDIT 2: Can anyone confirm the n976b is the better global factory unlocked version? I just saw it covers more bands than the rest in this link
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-plus-5g-sm-n976-model-number-differences/
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The SM-N976F and SM-N9760/DS would be your global unlocked versions. The N976F uses the slightly slower Exynos and the N9760 uses the Snapdragon. Both allow you to unlock the bootloader. I went with the regular Note 10 + SM-N9750/DS, it works great on T-Mobile for me.

ajsmsg78 said:
The SM-N976F and SM-N9760/DS would be your global unlocked versions. The N976F uses the slightly slower Exynos and the N9760 uses the Snapdragon. Both allow you to unlock the bootloader. I went with the regular Note 10 + SM-N9750/DS, it works great on T-Mobile for me.
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Can't find the n9760 for sale in the US tho

m_reyna_16 said:
Can't find the n9760 for sale in the US tho
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N9760 is the 5G Chinese variant that has dual sim. You are unlikely to find that outside of China and you will miss out on Google Play Store.
There isn't one 5G variant that is global since none of the variant covers all 5G bands around the world. Heck, even the US versions have 2 variants for compatibility with different carriers.

meowone said:
N9760 is the 5G Chinese variant that has dual sim. You are unlikely to find that outside of China and you will miss out on Google Play Store.
There isn't one 5G variant that is global since none of the variant covers all 5G bands around the world. Heck, even the US versions have 2 variants for compatibility with different carriers.
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But if I were to find the Chinese version, Google play would just be software related wouldn't it?

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But if I were to find the Chinese version, Google play would just be software related wouldn't it?
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yup, that would be software related but the 5G network compatibility would be the hard problem to solve.

meowone said:
yup, that would be software related but the 5G network compatibility would be the hard problem to solve.
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Since we're talking about if I were able to get a Chinese version... I would just need to make sure the bands are the same right?

What I am saying is that the 5G technologies won't be the same around the world thus it wouldn't be a global phone no matter which variant you get.

meowone said:
What I am saying is that the 5G technologies won't be the same around the world thus it wouldn't be a global phone no matter which variant you get.
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When it comes to flashing, rooting, etc... What's the difference between the SM-N976B and SM-N976F? Sorry been using Oneplus devices for the past 5 or 6 yrs... My last Samsung phone was an AT&T Note 4 and I've been out of the Samsung game for a while

m_reyna_16 said:
When it comes to flashing, rooting, etc... What's the difference between the SM-N976B and SM-N976F? Sorry been using Oneplus devices for the past 5 or 6 yrs... My last Samsung phone was an AT&T Note 4 and I've been out of the Samsung game for a while
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SM-N975F is LTE note 10+ Sm-N976B is 5G Model
SM-N976F is international N976B is UK from what it looks like

minidude2012 said:
SM-N975F is LTE note 10+ Sm-N976B is 5G Model
SM-N976F is international N976B is UK from what it looks like
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OK cool thanks

m_reyna_16 said:
When it comes to flashing, rooting, etc... What's the difference between the SM-N976B and SM-N976F? Sorry been using Oneplus devices for the past 5 or 6 yrs... My last Samsung phone was an AT&T Note 4 and I've been out of the Samsung game for a while
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Also, in terms of rooting & custom ROMs, Exynos variants are more likely to have it than Snapdragons.

I'm in UK and refuse to buy anything exynos. Hence why I own a N9750 Snapdragon note 10+ imported from HK
No issues with anything in the UK. Samsung pay, WiFi calling, volte all work OK
Hate the fact Samsung give us in Europe an inferior SoC

bigup7 said:
I'm in UK and refuse to buy anything exynos. Hence why I own a N9750 Snapdragon note 10+ imported from HK
No issues with anything in the UK. Samsung pay, WiFi calling, volte all work OK
Hate the fact Samsung give us in Europe an inferior SoC
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Why do u dislike Exynos?

m_reyna_16 said:
Why do u dislike Exynos?
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As stated above, Hate the fact Samsung give us in Europe an inferior SoC

bigup7 said:
As stated above, Hate the fact Samsung give us in Europe an inferior SoC
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What's SoC?

m_reyna_16 said:
What's SoC?
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The CPU architecture. European has Exynos typically.