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GS3 flip cover-like case for E4GT?

Anyone know of a case that's like the GS3's Flip-Cover for the E4GT? I love the flip cover but won't be getting the S3 for a while, mid October at the earliest to possibly early next year.
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This is what I do. I never use clip casing at all. I always RESERVE on POCKET for my E4GT......Too bad for you I just Preorder my GS3 last friday (-_-)!

EggosEvo said:
Anyone know of a case that's like the GS3's Flip-Cover for the E4GT? I love the flip cover but won't be getting the S3 for a while, mid October at the earliest to possibly early next year.
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I'd like this too, if it exists out there anywhere.

yang704 said:
This is what I do. I never use clip casing at all. I always RESERVE on POCKET for my E4GT......Too bad for you I just Preorder my GS3 last friday (-_-)!
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Thanks for the input.... Since it seems like your gloating, Enjoy your DUAL CORE SAMSUNG WITH ANDROID 4.0. I'll keep the one I have for now(its also a dual core samsung with android 4.0). It has a lot of roms, and nothing wrong with it.
I would like a case like this also.

Yeah he is a douche, but that's like saying a dual core Intel atom is the same as a i3 not putting you down just read all about arm cortex a15 it's impressive

freecharlesmanson said:
Yeah he is a douche, but that's like saying a dual core Intel atom is the same as a i3 not putting you down just read all about arm cortex a15 it's impressive
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Are you really trying to equate a exynos to an atom, and a snapdragon p4 to an i3? if anything, it is exactly the other way around. The exynos is THE BEST mobile processor on the market... and it's truly sad that we will not be getting a exynos at all in the new phone. I will not be getting the SIII because of it.

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Are you really trying to equate a exynos to an atom, and a snapdragon p4 to an i3? if anything, it is exactly the other way around. The exynos is THE BEST mobile processor on the market... and it's truly sad that we will not be getting a exynos at all in the new phone. I will not be getting the SIII because of it.
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+1 agreed, so pissed we didnt get the exynos...

mazostyle said:
+1 agreed, so pissed we didnt get the exynos...
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For me, I'm not necessarily pissed that we didn't get it, I'm just disappointed. I have heard great things about the S4, like it being one of the coolest(temperature wise) processors, a fast processor, and I've also heard that it's just as good as the Exynos. I for one am willing to try out the S4 on the Galaxy SIII(once I get it, hopefully october), and compare it to the performance I've had on my Epic 4G Touch with the Exynos.
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Lickarock, stick to FACTS the exynos in the galaxy s2 is a a9 cortex the snap dragon s3 is a15 and that's a fact with a white paper and diagrams described on arms website standing behind it..... the next question is, name one thing you want to do in android that needs 4 cores .... don't get me wrong I want 4 a15 cores to but not for operation in android .... so yet again I challenge a response were you show me software that even accepts more then 2 cores

Not standing what I already said. Benchmarks agree the lead between the quad and dual cores doesn't add up ..... because nothing is threaded for them yet nor do most applications need it ..... multiple cores are not a performance guarantee hence a atom vs a i3 ...huge performance difference right? Duh .... completely different core lay out with 3x the transistor count so yeah comparing quad to dual core is comparing apples to oranges the only reason desktops benefit..... is foreground isn't as key you are likely to need all 4 cores just for web browsing, torrenting, playing movie
Those things aren't as parallel in android..... for instance I can't watch A movie and web browse with my phone.. in sure that's coming but.... point is not even close to here yet..

So..........back on topic, any body have any idea where to get this case?
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EggosEvo said:
Anyone know of a case that's like the GS3's Flip-Cover for the E4GT? I love the flip cover but won't be getting the S3 for a while, mid October at the earliest to possibly early next year.
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Was anyone able to locate a case like this?
-I'm also interested. Thanks!

This site is the best I found. Not as thin or sleek as the case on the GS3 but it is a start.
http://www.pdair.com/index.php/smar...msung-galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch-sph-d710.html

lickarock said:
Are you really trying to equate a exynos to an atom, and a snapdragon p4 to an i3? if anything, it is exactly the other way around. The exynos is THE BEST mobile processor on the market... and it's truly sad that we will not be getting a exynos at all in the new phone. I will not be getting the SIII because of it.
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Yep... That was my reasoning for not getting the G3, already have a strong dualcore device with ICS.
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rizdog23 said:
This site is the best I found. Not as thin or sleek as the case on the GS3 but it is a start.
http://www.pdair.com/index.php/smar...msung-galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch-sph-d710.html
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I actually like a couple of those cases. Like the book case.
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[Q] should i sell my Gnex ?

Hey guys,
iam thinking of selling my galaxy nexus and buying one of the new quad core devices,
i was really excited about the new coming Huawei Ascend D quad since it will features the fastest CPU and a 16 core GPU. However, i have recently heard that it will be delayed because of some issues with the CPU until late Augest or September.
i already have a Sony Xperia S and after a small comparison between them in term of screen, camera, build quality, CPU/GPU i think that the other device was slightly better, i have already found a buyer but i still hesitate because the Gnex will get Android 4.1 and 5.x before any other device out there.
so, what do you think guys??
sorry for my poor English

Do what you want to. Move on.
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theking_13 said:
Do what you want to. Move on.
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The galaxy S3 has the same screen as the galaxy nexus. However, the last one has more pixel density because the screen is slightly smaller, in my opinion the sony xperia s has a better screen than both with 344 ppi reality display with mobie bravia engine,
The HOX has several problems already with wi-fi connection and some other software issues,
I dont prefer the user interface of the LG optimus 4X
Thats way i hesitate because i dont see a phone which is worth buying right now in my opinion
Besides all of them are cortex-A9
So, i think my point is clear now

mohammed510 said:
The galaxy S3 has the same screen as the galaxy nexus. However, the last one has more pixel density because the screen is slightly smaller, in my opinion the sony xperia s has a better screen than both with 344 ppi reality display with mobie bravia engine,
The HOX has several problems already with wi-fi connection and some other software issues,
I dont prefer the user interface of the LG optimus 4X
Thats way i hesitate because i dont see a phone which is worth buying right now in my opinion
Besides all of them are cortex-A9
So, i think my point is clear now
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If you know all that and have an opinion about what's the better off the phones why did you make this thread.
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kevinjgray88 said:
If you know all that and have an opinion about what's the better off the phones why did you make this thread.
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Because i think that buying 2 phones of the same generation of CPU/GPU was a mistake and i am trying to correct it by selling one of them and keeping the other one and wait for new and better devices.
I cant decide weather i should sell one of them or keep both of them
The Sony Xperia S has a wonderful screen and the Gnex will get the updates faster

mohammed510 said:
The galaxy S3 has the same screen as the galaxy nexus. However, the last one has more pixel density because the screen is slightly smaller, in my opinion the sony xperia s has a better screen than both with 344 ppi reality display with mobie bravia engine,
The HOX has several problems already with wi-fi connection and some other software issues,
I dont prefer the user interface of the LG optimus 4X
Thats way i hesitate because i dont see a phone which is worth buying right now in my opinion
Besides all of them are cortex-A9
So, i think my point is clear now
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The S3 has a better screen than the nexus. The S3 screen has pixels that are pushed closer together.
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joshnichols189 said:
The S3 has a better screen than the nexus. The S3 screen has pixels that are pushed closer together.
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I didn't know that, i only know that the S3 has a pentile screen just like the Gnex
If you check Wikipedia you will find that Exynos 5 CPU which should be better than the current Exynos quad spotted @ the galaxy S3 will be available at Q2 of 2012
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos

What can a quad core do that a dual core can't? (Besides scoring better in benchmarks which we all know are meaningless)
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iLeopard said:
What can a quad core do that a dual core can't? (Besides scoring better in benchmarks which we all know are meaningless)
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Hmm.. better battery life ?? Snapdragon S3 and TI OMAP 4460 are built on 45 nm
Exynos quad 32 nm and the snapdragon S4 28 nm
I know how my S3 works, you only get one CPU online + full adreno 220 support,
The other CPU will only work if you need extra power which is rare
So it is only about battrey life, you dont really need a dual core or a quad core CPU.
I like the idea of big. LITTLE CPU which is basically contains a powerfull cortex-A15 core and a cortex-A5 core which do easy to medium tasks efficiently, in case you need more power the other core wil be online to finish the job and then ofline again

mohammed510 said:
Hmm.. better battery life ?? Snapdragon S3 and TI OMAP 4460 are built on 45 nm
Exynos quad 32 nm and the snapdragon S4 28 nm
I know how my S3 works, you only get one CPU online + full adreno 220 support,
The other CPU will only work if you need extra power which is rare
So it is only about battrey life, you dont really need a dual core or a quad core CPU.
I like the idea of big. LITTLE CPU which is basically contains a powerfull cortex-A15 core and a cortex-A5 core which do easy to medium tasks efficiently, in case you need more power the other core wil be online to finish the job and then ofline again
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Back to my point, name me a few applications that use more than 2 cores. As far as the battery life, when you have all four running, battery is gonna take a hit
In the end its your decision. You're posting this on the GN forums, you're obviously gonna get a biased response
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iLeopard said:
Back to my point, name me a few applications that use more than 2 cores. As far as the battery life, when you have all four running, battery is gonna take a hit
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This is correct for the current quad core cortex-A9 CPUs
However, things will be different with quad core cortex-A15 CPUs since they are so efficient
nVidia tegra 3 has 4 + 1 CPU, so they are telling us that . Our CPU is not so efficient since it was built on 40 nm and that's why we need one underclocked CPU to save battrey for the background process, people like woooow this device has 5 cores !!!!! Iam going to buy it now but they don't really know the truth about it
In other words.. we will have "real" quad core CPUs with a cortex-A15 in term of battery efficient and speed

It's your phone make your own choice. Do you want us to choose what your eating for dinner too. It seems like an iphone would be great for you seeing someone else has to form your opinion for you
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kevinjgray88 said:
It's your phone make your own choice. Do you want us to choose what your eating for dinner too. It seems like an iphone would be great for you seeing someone else has to form your opinion for you
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Well, i respect your opinion and thanks for the one star rating.
However, i like to "learn" from my mistakes,
As i said before, i think that buying 2 phones of the same generation was a mistake
And that was not going to be happened if i asked people how knows about phones more than me before buying the second identical peice of plastic.
There is no harm in asking people for help and then make my own choice.
That's why we have this section, to "ask" other people
To get some informations from them
And then to make our choice

iLeopard said:
Back to my point, name me a few applications that use more than 2 cores. As far as the battery life, when you have all four running, battery is gonna take a hit
In the end its your decision. You're posting this on the GN forums, you're obviously gonna get a biased response
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When apps become multithreaded it will have more practical use. And what? The four cores don't always fire. Battery on my S3 blows away battery on my nexus and it is only 100mah larger than the extended battery.
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If no phone is worth buying to you as you said in post #3, then don't buy another phone?
You seem like you want us to justify YOUR purchase. Its your money, do some research, if you don't like the phones out right now, then wait. Simple.
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You should watch professionally done review videos/articles and see for yourself. Here are few.
www.phonedog.com
www.gsmarena.com
www.androidcentral.com

theking_13 said:
If no phone is worth buying to you as you said in post #3, then don't buy another phone?
You seem like you want us to justify YOUR purchase. Its your money, do some research, if you don't like the phones out right now, then wait. Simple.
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My question was,
should I sell my Gnex and keep the Sony,
And "wait" for new and better devices or should I keep both?
I don't know why ppl keep telling me its your choice
Ofcourse it is my choice, iam only asking for other ppl opinions
Which will help me to make my final descion.
Just because iam thinking to sell my Gnex doesn't make me a bad guy
Isn't it?
Please, no more Angry Birds, help me or don't waste my time

I wouldn't worry about it.

mohammed510 said:
My question was,
should I sell my Gnex and keep the Sony,
And "wait" for new and better devices or should I keep both?
I don't know why ppl keep telling me its your choice
Ofcourse it is my choice, iam only asking for other ppl opinions
Which will help me to make my final descion.
Just because iam thinking to sell my Gnex doesn't make me a bad guy
Isn't it?
Please, no more Angry Birds, help me or don't waste my time
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No ones the bad guy in here. Simply put, whether you know it or not, chances are you've already made up your mind and like others have said, you are just looking for justification for whatever you are about to do. That simple. Whatever responses you get here are completely biased and might not reflect on your way of thinking.
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you seem to have a lot of money so just keep both and buy a new one.

I contacted Samsung directly about the Premium Suite update.

The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.

ergonomicz said:
The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak from their support rep, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.

SeaFractor said:
I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...

EtherealRemnant said:
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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I am sure that I will never buy a vendor`s device again.

For sure I am not going to stay long in this device.
I didnt stay long to get ICS on my Galaxy s ; JB on Galaxy s 2; and for sure I dont hope to get and want to wait JB 4.2.2 on our s3.
March 14 is near and so htc one is on way.

Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?

gypsy214 said:
Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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If you live in an area with refarmed 1900 to support HSPA, you will get spotty at best HSPA coverage and EDGE the rest of the time. The I-9300 doesn't support AWS so you will have reduced coverage (AWS is both voice and data and some places T-Mobile has 1700 licenses but no 1900 licenses so you wouldn't have a signal at all).
I would just get an S IV. Chances are it will cost you the same as getting an internation S III anyway.

SeaFractor said:
I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
A large number of people found 4.1.1 to be extremely buggy and poorly optimized, that doesn't exactly reflect well on them as far their effort spent supporting American customers either.

ergonomicz said:
I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
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Sounds a lot like what I said up above...
"Originally Posted by EtherealRemnant
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series..."

Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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daxecutioner24 said:
Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.

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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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Yeah that's what I thought, I don't think that battery voltage 2600 is high enough for the processor and everything else. With the s3 we were suppose to have the "weaker" chip yet when you compared it to the quad core the speed was almost identical. Except if you start doing test and all that which that doesn't matter a whole lot. It's all about how fast can I go from point a to point b and back to the beginning, so I imagine it might be about the same this time around. I won't be upgrading so I could care less lol
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.

EtherealRemnant said:
The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The hardware fragmentation in the Galaxy S4 line means that the current disparity in features and support is more than likely going to be perpetuated with their newer models, its unfortunate.
I'm also not sure why its remotely necessary when every single version of the Galaxy Note II uses an Exynos chip.

EtherealRemnant said:
The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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I like your thinking, you look you know about all these stuff. Always interested in processors and all this stuff willing to learn. I agree like I said earlier from any other phone than the s3 people would love the s4, but the fact that it looks exactly just like this one turns some s3 users down too. They are asking us to pay "Premium" again honestly very impatient move, don't know why they are rushing for a new release. It's about 8 or 9 months, the s3 fair pretty good against the s3 even though it was out months earlier than the iPhone 5. I think they could of release this phone in the summer closer to the iPhone 6 because now when the 6th comes out the s4 would be deemed "old" by a lot of people that want everything new.
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At the same time they probably wanted a few months by themselves with virtually no competition to get a lot of sales, I think you can't compare the s4 to the 5 it'd really unfair so right now the galaxy is the leader till the 6 can challenge it
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I'm a little pissed were getting the weaker processor in the US. Especially in the terms of gpu disparity... Kinda weak Samsung did not impress me this time around if I can afford it I'll go international, otherwise there's a good chance I'm looking to the xperia z or HTC one. Screw HTC as far as development but despite Samsung usually being far better I'm not impressed with the new one. I like the idea of the front dual speakers on the HTC one. And build is pretty nice. Phone hardware is nice enough that it runs beautifully on touch wiz or HTC Sense and i can use whatever launcher avail so I'm not concerned about cm and such. And I love the screen on this but not comfortable using something larger than even the current note so I probably won't go that route. I guess we'll see.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.

nviz22 said:
I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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The international version will but we simply don't have the horsepower on the Snapdragon dual core to utilize those features. Remember that the S3 international uses a quad core Exynos chip, not a dual-core Snapdragon.

They will find a way to utilize it.

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They will find a way to utilize it.
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they can find a way to, but chances are, they won't. unfortunately for us...

Why do U.S. variants of the s3 not get exynos?

this had been bugging me and now when i decide to look into it, all of the google searches are raped by news of the s4 and not answering my question. so with that said, why do all of the U.S. samsung devices get the qualcomm chips instead of the exynos processors from samsung? it just doesn't make sense to me as to why they would switch them up. o.0 and it bugs me more that the qualcomm chips (while still fast as a bat out of hell) are slower than the exynos chips that are in the international phones..

It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.

jdogg836 said:
It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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thanks for the info but you would think that they would have included lte while designing the exynos octa considering lte isn't exactly a new technology anymore oh well. my contract is still a year and 4 months from ending and im perfectly content with my s3. maybe they will have it figured out by the s5 haha

The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...

A-Shin said:
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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If Samsung didn't care about there customers you would just get another dual core processor phone. It will either come with Octo or quad core. Regardless of which one it actually comes with, it's gonna be an upgrade
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A-Shin said:
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.

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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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That's true. I there's a [floating] statistic that like only 12% of people root/jail break their phones anyway; so on that statistic, the other 88% is just based on surface features and shinyness. I bet if you asked most people they couldn't tell you what kind of processor is in the phone.

your opinions on the SNAP model vs EXY model

Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me

reanew said:
Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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@ OP
My taughts about the exynos 8 headed snake and the 4 headed snapdragon is that folks like myself in the USA once again got the stick up our arses. I once pridicted in the SGS3 thread that samsung would do exactly same as with sgs3 which was releaseing a dualcore in usa and quad core in the UK. And they advertise big gs3 quadcore to hype their sale pitch while putting the stick up costomers behind because obviously 90% people dont look at specs of their phone. Well once again its same,gs4 quad in usa while octacore UK. The whole excitement for me was the octacore and their new "big little idea" which was claim to save power consumption etc.
Anyway I own the gs4 snapdragon model now simply because I would have had to stick to 2G speed if I had gotten the exynos model due to lack of band support for network in USA.
The whole overheating thing is not new,the exynos sgs3 and the old snapdragon htc one I had own all over heated despite different cpu when playing games or doing heavy tasks. I also experience it with the gs4 but only while playing games. I must say that it looks like Samsung did spend more time tweaking the governor behavior because on light tasks while multy tasking the cpu dont just jump to the highest frequency as frequently as in their other phones as to consume power unnecessary. But all 4 cores goes online too quickly but at least they go offline fast. So theirs still stuff to be tuned that can dramatically improve cpu efficiency and function.plus wance we get some custom kernels to tweak the voltages of the cpu and gpu it should stop the overheating. Most times over heating is also caused by the cpu frequency ramping up to the highest speed and staying their too long. The snapdragon processor is very fast I must say. Havent had a slowdown since I bought the phone and for stock,battery life is verygood.I could go threw more than a day with medium to light tasks.
Also another thing that Samsung corrected was the oversaturatedness of the screen color which was awfull in the previous sgs3,the brightness of the screen have also improved while in the sunlight compare to the gs3 screen. Thankfully their was Andrelux that released his Perseus kernel in the gs3 section to combat that color problem and everything else I mentioned above plus more. Hopefully their will also be some good dev in the gs4 section to improve user experience. Overall I find the gs4 a decent upgrade weather it have the snapdragon or exynos since samsung corrected and improve upon most things and some that I may have forgot to mention.
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In the side by side tests I did, the i9500 beat the M919 in every area including the GPU, screen response, UI smoothness, HSPA+ data speeds, etc. As far as the heat is concerned I have read an equal amount of complaints on both forums.

I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.

Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.

According to Engadget the Exynos bests the Snapdragon in about the same amount of tests as the Snapdragon beats the Exynos. A surprising result of their tests shows that the Snapdragon beats the big.LITTLE architecture in a video playback duration test by about 20%
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skygear said:
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
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Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
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You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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mamba720027 said:
Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.

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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Im not going into pointless arguments with you. You clearly have not looked at the linkd I refered you too because then you would not be asking all the useless questions youre asking me.
This is why their is always pointless arguments,simply because reading is not emphasize enough on XDA to educate people on the topic before they begin to criticise and pout senseless discussions.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.

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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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You sound like a broken record. I own the M919 running stock and I have yet to experience any lags you mention. For me this is not a competition as which phone is faster,true speed is important but its about the technology behind the makeing and how well it balance in terms of speed and battery. Especially battery performance ,which I think is the reason behind this so call big little architecture samsung have came up with. After all how big are they gonna keep makeing each generation of phones in order to squeeze in a bit more juice into a bigger size battery to run these so call faster more powerfull processors each time a new device comes out, thus the big little thing. If you think about it battery technology have not change since the crack of smartphones and maybe further back but the high demands for speedy more battery hungry chips are in demand each day as productivity increases.
Now I wish I had the octa core to see how it works if any improvement but sadly I dont. From my experience so far with the M919,its very fast cause all 4 core kicks in immediately wether its a small or big task(mean it waste battery),it gets warm to hot too quick while playing games (battery waste again) but the graphics are excellent. Theirs lots of room for improvement on the processor such as a custom kernel to undervolt and regulate the cores to work more efficiently. I randomly left my phone ideling for 24hours and few hours connected to wifi at home and I had a 15% battery drain with about 7mins of use. I had nothing syncing. I think that was good but also can improve with kernel tweaks wance available.
Take note the amount of info I have given you on one device. I didn't just blahh out "m919 is garbage because its slow and I9500 is the fastest **** on the block" unless people just wanna look at benchmarks daily and say "I feel so proud my phone is the fastest ****". It maybe faster yes but right now the software can only function as fast as it was optomize to be if you understand. And I dont know where you get your intell from to pridict product updates and kernel development,im sure their will be kernels and updates available as same with older phones. No one is left out of anything.
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......

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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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True that if youre waiting on the carrier to release an update its a whole new story but if youre here on xda or aware of the community then you know thats not a problem.
Have you ever taught the Accuweather was optomize N design to run on the S3 flawless. I couldent evin find that wallpaper existance on the playstore.So its prob garbage cause theirs other accuweather live wallpaper available their that works fine.
Im currently running the "Ditalix live wallpaper" which was design for highend devices like the Galaxy S4 and GS3 to look beautiful and run flawless like silk and uses up the largest amount of memory I have ever seen for a wallpaper 256mb in the background,yet no lags. if you were to read the reviews for it on the playstore you would notice it indeed does not work on just any device. So if that can run so good on the M919 I dont see why a low rated Accuweather wallpaper for the old gs3 cannot unless like I said,it was specifically optomize for the gs3 device screen etc. Low fps + low resolution scenario. Anything will lag and look crappy with that case.
This is why prople are misleaded sometimes because a few people screwup and they wisper something is not good cause they had such a terrible experience when its not the device fault.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.

Another day, another ****-measuring contest...
They're both top-tier devices. There are only a handful of comparable handsets, and the only ones I can think of that're clearly more powerful are the (China-only) Medfield-core Lenovo K-series.
The Exynos will probably be the winner between i9500/i9505, WHEN/IF the driver issues are worked out, but till then the best device is whichever one's in your hand.

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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
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Now you seem to be makeing more sense and posting a proper comment so people can actually make an intelligent decision. Unlike your first 2 posts.
Youre lucky to have good hsdpa+ in your area running I9500 cause when I had the international galaxy s3 tmobile had just made the transition over to support international bandwith for hsdpa+ and the speed and signal was terrible in my area. Had to use 2g speeds. Thats the reason I did not purchase the international model of the galaxy s4 this round,i dont care for lte,3G speed or 4G which I now have would do it for me. Im dont regret my purchase of the M919 cause so far my experience is good.
The only thing I could say to folks looking to buy in the USA and leaning towards the M919 is if possible stay away from tmobile and buy it non carrier branded from a reputable source if the price is right. Tmobile sells the phone at full price if you wanna avoid the monthly down payment but despite buying it at full price and already haveing a contract with them, they sell you it with a contract plus new number as part of the whole deal which is totally ridiculous. Then u have to go threw the idiotic process of canceling it wance u receive your device.
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