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[Q] Few Questions About The Processor

Since it's release date on October 10, I've been debating on whether or not I should get this over the Amaze 4g and after 4 days, I decided that the galaxy s 2 is the best choice for me. Now after watching some videos of the original galaxy s 2, I want to know what things were left out in terms of processing power. All I know is that it uses the snapdragon s3 processor which runs on an a8 cortex as opposed to the a9 in the exynos processor. I know that speed is one of the things that the exynos has over snapdragon and also the fact that it's asynchronous as opposed to qualcomm running one core at a time (correct me if I'm wrong here, not savy on processors). The biggest things I know I will use on this phone is Internet, photos, media, and some gaming here and there. On YouTube I saw the original galaxy s 2 capable of running an N64 emulator with virtually no lag, though I don't know if sound was included, and the same goes for the psx emulator. I also saw how it was able to play multiple video formats (including 1080p mkv files) with no issues whatsoever. I want to know if the snapdragon processor would still be capable of running emulators at similar speeds and still have support for multiple video formats even though it's not as fast as the exynos processor. Help is definitely appreciated.
P.S. This was typed on an iPod so sorry if there are any typos and grammar mistakes.

The Qualcomm chip is asynchronous.
Right now, I don't know how much Samsung did to fine-tune the system to accommodate the hardware differences....but like you said, the Qualcomm chip is A8 and the Exynos is A9.
That speaks for itself.

PoisonWolf said:
The Qualcomm chip is asynchronous.
Right now, I don't know how much Samsung did to fine-tune the system to accommodate the hardware differences....but like you said, the Qualcomm chip is A8 and the Exynos is A9.
That speaks for itself.
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I have no idea in the difference care to enlighten me or post a link?
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Mudkip said:
I have no idea in the difference care to enlighten me or post a link?
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Essentially, the Qualcomm chip is running on an older architecture relative to the Exynos, which is typically why the Exynos outperforms the Qualcomm even at lower clockspeeds. I'm guessing T-Mobile needed the SGS2 to be on par with with its siblings thus the higher clockspeeds (1.5ghz) to accommodate the older architecture.
The iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S if I'm not mistaken are also running chips that are based on the A9 architectures.
There is a difference when using the original SGS2 with the T-Mobile version...but it's not too drastic. What the CPU makes up in lack of speed, the big screen more than makes up for it.

I'm quite new to this forum, therefore I can't post external links yet. However, perform a google search for "How Samsung's chip change-up affects the T-Mobile Galaxy S II" the first link is an interesting article.

The normal clockspeed for this processor is 1.5GHz

kosnarf said:
I'm quite new to this forum, therefore I can't post external links yet. However, perform a google search for "How Samsung's chip change-up affects the T-Mobile Galaxy S II" the first link is an interesting article.
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What I took away from that article is that they went Snapdragon in order to use another modem chip to be able to do 42Mbps. The sacrifice is graphics performance.
Hmm, it plays my HD movie great. Not sure I will ever play a first person shooter on it...

heygrl said:
The normal clockspeed for this processor is 1.5GHz
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i was about to point out the same
the Qualcomm CPU stock speed is 1.5 Ghz, the same CPU on HTC Sense was actually under clocked to 1.2 Ghz
so the new HTC Amaze is using the CPU at is normal speed like on our phone

toy4x4 said:
What I took away from that article is that they went Snapdragon in order to use another modem chip to be able to do 42Mbps. The sacrifice is graphics performance.
Hmm, it plays my HD movie great. Not sure I will ever play a first person shooter on it...
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It also sacrifices general OS performance, at least in its current state. Looks like Samsung did no optimization on this guy for the qcom SoC. As it currently stands, I find it more laggy than my (admittedly) highly optimized Epic (single core). Hopefully things will improve with devs, etc.

I had the original and was using it on att gophone,
and sold it to get this. I needed to be on a contract and Tmobile was my only option so I got this
User interface was faster and smoother, apps opened and closed in the blink of an eye
games also ran with no lag whatsoever
Screen is bigger, no hardware buttons, and faster data is a plus for me
Tmobile is very spotty in my area tho
Sometimes I feel like I should have stayed
This phone has been behaving differently
The user interface is nearly as smooth and some of my favorite games lag
(Dragon fly, modern combat 2)
Still a great phone but these 2 Arras are disappointing for me
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Krooked22 said:
I had the original stay.
User interface was faster and smoother, apps opened and closed in the blink of an eye
games also ran with no lag whatsoever
This phone has been behaving differently
The user interface is nearly as smooth and some of my favorite games lag
(Dragon fly, modern combat 2)
Still a great phone but these 2 Arras are disappointing for me
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To be clear, gaming performance will never be as good on this platform. The GPU is severely weaker than the exynos models. What remains to be seen is if the rest of the OS can be optimized though.

ap77 said:
To be clear, gaming performance will never be as good on this platform. The GPU is severely weaker than the exynos models. What remains to be seen is if the rest of the OS can be optimized though.
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The OS definitely can be a little more optimized for this processor. This phone isn't a slouch though.
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OuncE718 said:
The OS definitely can be a little more optimized for this processor. This phone isn't a slouch though.
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It is a slouch relatively speaking, to the people who forked out full retail for this phone.
I might get this phone, if and only if, FULL hardware acceleration is not announced on the Prime, even then, I shall hunt it for free via retentions.

PoisonWolf said:
It is a slouch relatively speaking, to the people who forked out full retail for this phone.
I might get this phone, if and only if, FULL hardware acceleration is not announced on the Prime, even then, I shall hunt it for free via retentions.
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I am one of the people who forked out full retail. I can take a picture of my receipt to prove. We nit pick at every single phone that comes out. Trust me when I say this phone isn't a slouch. Yes it stutters once in a blue, but its fast and pretty smooth. All we need is an official update from Samsung to fix the issue or get a few custom roms. I've owned literally every smartphone that came out for T-Mobile this year and the previous years and I can honestly say this happens to be the fastest, even with the slight stutter it gets every now and then. It's just a slight software issue. I believe that this processor is capable of getting the job done.
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this is my third phone this year and im done .nothing to complain about if i start worrying about milliseconds then i would never buy another phone again because the galaxy s3 will be a few milliseconds faster than this one and so on and on. i made a promise to myself that im done till the end of nex year

tigerz0202 said:
this is my third phone this year and im done .nothing to complain about if i start worrying about milliseconds then i would never buy another phone again because the galaxy s3 will be a few milliseconds faster than this one and so on and on. i made a promise to myself that im done till the end of nex year
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Lol. I don't think your done. I think we all say this same thing. I bet I'll probably see you over at the Nexus Prime forum. I really love this phone and would like to say I'm done for the year too, but I think what makes some of us go for the next best thing is A. its the next best thing and B. we realize that our dev community gets smaller whenever the next best thing comes out so we want to be back in the loop of things. I'M JUST A PHONE SLUT!
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OuncE718 said:
II've owned literally every smartphone that came out for T-Mobile this year and the previous years and I can honestly say this happens to be the fastest, even with the slight stutter it gets every now and then. It's just a slight software issue. I believe that this processor is capable of getting the job done.
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I also paid full retail (pending Prime announcement), but I can tell you that my highly optimized Epic is smoother than this phone is right now in day-to-day use. Now, hopefully that means that there is a lot of room for improvement as this chip is theoretically faster and dual-core, but it is an open question of whether that promise will be realized.

ap77 said:
I also paid full retail (pending Prime announcement), but I can tell you that my highly optimized Epic is smoother than this phone is right now in day-to-day use. Now, hopefully that means that there is a lot of room for improvement as this chip is theoretically faster and dual-core, but it is an open question of whether that promise will be realized.
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We will be rewarded by both Samsung and the devs soon.
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OuncE718 said:
Lol. I don't think your done. I think we all say this same thing. I bet I'll probably see you over at the Nexus Prime forum. I really love this phone and would like to say I'm done for the year too, but I think what makes some of us go for the next best thing is A. its the next best thing and B. we realize that our dev community gets smaller whenever the next best thing comes out so we want to be back in the loop of things. I'M JUST A PHONE SLUT!
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This ^

This processor is the same one used in the now defunct HP touchpad. People have successfully overclocked their touchpads to 1.7ghz with minimal to no additional drain on battery but a noticeable speed boost. I imagine our phones will react much the same way

Processing power on future phones

Ok so my question is this...
The HTC One X ( Evo 4G LTE ) will be coming with a 1.5 dual core processor... yet I hope that the SGS3 will come with a Quad Core processor... am I missing something here? Why is the One X being shipped with the same power as our current SGS2? Or can someone educate me on this? Is the One X really more powerful or is it that the U.S. carriers cant afford to sell a quad core phone for $199?

SGS3 is going to have the quadcore 1.5ghz Exerynos (spelling?) processor, apparently that's almost certain. Samsung has a even processor already built ready go that's even better, 2ghz dual-core, but they're saving that for the generation after.
And E4GT has a 1.2ghz processor? How are they the same?
Anyways the main features for the new phone are the HD display and stock ICS and LTE especially.

the architecture is different with transistors and things much closer together on these newer chipsets. just cause its the same clock speed doesnt mean its not better.

AsinX said:
the architecture is different with transistors and things much closer together on these newer chipsets. just cause its the same clock speed doesnt mean its not better.
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Ok so this is what my question was, because they are both dual core phones... that doesn't mean that the ET4G has the same power right?
So how important is this when choosing a new phone in 2012? I am asking because I am looking at the Galaxy Nexus or the Evo 4G LTE.... But from my experience the processor is what makes the phones faster when playing games or loading movies.

The chip in the new evo is the s4 dual core from qualcom. Otherwise known as krait. This chip gives the tegra 3 a run for its money
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The chip on the EVO is better but remember that Sense isnt a light skin to carry. The Nexus runs AOSP android and doesnt need much power to run it. In real life theyre both just as smooth as each other.

kawaski47 said:
The chip in the new evo is the s4 dual core from qualcom. Otherwise known as krait. This chip gives the tegra 3 a run for its money
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So would it be a BIG upgrade if I went with the Evo? Coming from the ET4G?
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well its not a massive upgrade but it is a deffinate upgrade.

drksilenc said:
well its not a massive upgrade but it is a deffinate upgrade.
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I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.

Jess813 said:
I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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Battery life.
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I thought it was coming with a qualacom processor because the tegra 3 didn't support lte

bman55 said:
Battery life.
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Great thanks for the feedback guys!!

they need to reinvent the cell phone battery in order to give these new processors the power they need. sure they are more energy efficient but i bet they still gunna drain pretty damn quickly. i would love to have a slim battery that lasts all day. these bulky extended batterys make our phones look like ****

Jess813 said:
I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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LTE capabalities. The Exybos chip will be the first quad core that is LTE enabled.
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Actually, in theory, a good quad core should win out in terms of battery liFe. More cores at lower frequencies.
As long as software is developed to properly utilize the hardware of course.

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People buy based on specs. If tegra3 had onboard lte, then HTC would use it without a doubt, even if the s4 is faster and lighter on the battery.
I agree though, I would rather have a dual core processor on my phone. Especially if that means they (manufacturers) will spend more money on a better radio chip set and antenna design.
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ShinigamiH4ck3r said:
they need to reinvent the cell phone battery in order to give these new processors the power they need. sure they are more energy efficient but i bet they still gunna drain pretty damn quickly. i would love to have a slim battery that lasts all day. these bulky extended batterys make our phones look like ****
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they could always make the phone a few millimeters thicker and make the battery cover the whole back, or even be the back.. but still have it removable, like my gfs phone the back is the battery, that would make it much larger still be just as slim and Ave like 3x more battery.. this phones pretty thin, if they made it as thick as the droid x or x2 then it would probably have the life of the maxx
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Jess813 said:
I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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/\/\/\ what he said... but to add to that, I've seen in a few threads people mention that the quad core chips don't play nice with the lte chips. Don't hold me to that, just relaying info
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coiledwire said:
People buy based on specs. If tegra3 had onboard lte, then HTC would use it without a doubt, even if the s4 is faster and lighter on the battery.
I agree though, I would rather have a dual core processor on my phone. Especially if that means they (manufacturers) will spend more money on a better radio chip set and antenna design.
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I ment that dual core is potentially faster for android . The misconception I try to address is a cpu core exist more or less as a fpu unit, integer unit, cache space and usually other units that function as extensions like sse used to. Just because you have more doesn't mean they are more powerful.... quite the contrary usually out means lower transistor counts per core. What I understood Samsung had touched on is to simplify chip construction just adding say 40% more transistor to a very similar design they just update with newer memory, gpu, radio,etc to address power further smaller construction process like 28Nm I think and more clock states and voltage starts especially to regulate the gpu and memory...... serious weak point in our chipset/ software
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Galaxy T989 VS Note I717

My friend is trying to get a phone and he likes those two phones but he wants to know which one is faster and gives less problems..??
What are the good things about the Note other than the screen size?
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Same as vs the skyrocket. Except way bigger screen
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If you don't mind a mini tablet smashed against your face when you call, go with the note. (Being sarcastic in case you couldn't tell )
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LoopDoGG79 said:
If you don't mind a mini tablet smashed against your face when you call, go with the note. (Being sarcastic in case you couldn't tell )
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Hhehehehehee ppl gonna think he's crazy lol
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I love my note, i wouldnt trade it for any other phone. I would say its as fast as the s2 if not faster. The one x and the s3 is faster of course, but you get a lot of screen and a s pen to go with it. I debated a while before i got mine and have no regrets of getting it a week ago so far. I think of the note as a big S2. I didnt think i could get use to the size, but i did and now look at other phones as if they are too small. just my 2 cents. you can always return it within 30 days and change it out.

Yayodroid said:
I love my note, i wouldnt trade it for any other phone. I would say its as fast as the s2 if not faster. The one x and the s3 is faster of course, but you get a lot of screen and a s pen to go with it. I debated a while before i got mine and have no regrets of getting it a week ago so far. I think of the note as a big S2. I didnt think i could get use to the size, but i did and now look at other phones as if they are too small. just my 2 cents. you can always return it within 30 days and change it out.
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how bout processor and gpu wise , are galaxy notes the same with our t989?

i havent used the 989 much, so i cant give an honest answer. from my understanding is that it is equal, if not better in performance. Qualcomm MSM8660 Snapdragon, featuring a dual-core 1.5 GHz Scorpion CPU and an Adreno 220 GPU is in the i717 note AT&T version. International version has the exynos. the S2 t969 has Qualcomm APQ8060 Snapdragon CPU Dual-core 1.5 GHz Scorpion GPU Adreno 220. Guess really the difference is size, s pen, and maybe lte?

Yayodroid said:
i havent used the 989 much, so i cant give an honest answer. from my understanding is that it is equal, if not better in performance. Qualcomm MSM8660 Snapdragon, featuring a dual-core 1.5 GHz Scorpion CPU and an Adreno 220 GPU is in the i717 note AT&T version. International version has the exynos. the S2 t969 has Qualcomm APQ8060 Snapdragon CPU Dual-core 1.5 GHz Scorpion GPU Adreno 220. Guess really the difference is size, s pen, and maybe lte?
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tnx a lot.. thats what i thought too. i was thinking bout doing the i717 but reading the specs seems like not worthed if u already own t989.. been searching for this.
and also tnx for the op for bringing the topic up

Yayodroid said:
I love my note, i wouldnt trade it for any other phone. I would say its as fast as the s2 if not faster. The one x and the s3 is faster of course, but you get a lot of screen and a s pen to go with it. I debated a while before i got mine and have no regrets of getting it a week ago so far. I think of the note as a big S2. I didnt think i could get use to the size, but i did and now look at other phones as if they are too small. just my 2 cents. you can always return it within 30 days and change it out.
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My friend is gonna get the T989 because of the screen size is too big and he is always wearing skinny jeans lol
He thinks is gonna be a pain in the butttt to take it out every time he gets a call.
Also he said that it looks annoying wearing skinny jeans and having that huge phone in pocket lol
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Does htc one x has better support

Does htc one x has better support for cyanogenmod roms? Since i am a galaxy s3 user had a best deal here to get shifted to one x.. .Please let me know guys...does it has good development support than s3 has???
And cynogenmod team is going to leave exynos based development... Thats why i am planning to shift....
Am i doing right thing....any helping replys will be appreciated...
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There are quite a bit of cm10 based and aokp roms. They do get updated frequently but still a little bit buggy.
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Not sure if you should trade in.
The tegra 3 is really starting to get out-dated IMO. In the end it is your decision. So yeah.
Personally i wouldn't do it.

Not sure if it's a "helping" reply but why don't you consider Nexus4 if you want stock Android experience? You'll get the fastest updates and none of the inevitable bugs from porting stock Android to a device that wasn't supposed to have it. Also Google would not abandon it sometime in the future like CM are doing with Exynos devices (if it's true).
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Aren't cm leaving exynos devices due to no source being released?
I may be way off here.
You should use both phones then make a decision. I totally get that some prefer aosp on certain hardware.
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tkolev said:
Not sure if it's a "helping" reply but why don't you consider Nexus4 if you want stock Android experience? You'll get the fastest updates and none of the inevitable bugs from porting stock Android to a device that wasn't supposed to have it. Also Google would not abandon it sometime in the future like CM are doing with Exynos devices (if it's true).
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Word. My htc one x screen broke and they told me repair costs 283 euros. Told them to shove it up their ass. 16 euros more and i have a nexus 4. So you should really go for a Nexus 4 if you like CM.
The only problem i have here is the fact that in austria we have no google play store. But hopefully this person i met from germany is trust worthy enough and will send me a nexus 4 once it's out.

Thank u very much guys...i'll skip of buying one x and wait for nexus 4...but here in india we cant buy them through playstore... Lg is going to sell almost double of price here thats what i am fearing about to buy
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Personally, I think the One X is better than the Nexus 4. Early benchmarks show that the Nexus has a severely underclocked GPU, and easily overheats, getting throttled even more. The One X also has a better screen IMO.
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gnan10 said:
Thank u very much guys...i'll skip of buying one x and wait for nexus 4...but here in india we cant buy them through playstore... Lg is going to sell almost double of price here thats what i am fearing about to buy
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I wanted to move to nexus 4, rumours say it will be priced at 34-35k here in India, so my plans for upgrade are cancelled atm
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kryptoner said:
I wanted to move to nexus 4, rumours say it will be priced at 34-35k here in India, so my plans for upgrade are cancelled atm
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34-35 K? I doubt it You should be able to import it at a lesser price than that.

XxVcVxX said:
Personally, I think the One X is better than the Nexus 4. Early benchmarks show that the Nexus has a severely underclocked GPU, and easily overheats, getting throttled even more. The One X also has a better screen IMO.
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Yeah... You said it.. early benchmarks.
We've seen how the HoX did before and after certain benchmarks. So there's no reason not to believe that it won't be the same in nexus 4's case.
Then you have multiple pros for the Nexus 4:
Bigger battery (2100 mAh) is nothing remarkable. However, 28nm is more power efficient which would mean we should definitely be experiencing a better battery life in the Nexus 4 than on the One X. Even if stand by times won't be as good, the battery life with screen on is going to be better. (see galaxy s3).
For people that want their phone for regular day to day usage, s4 chip is supposed to be better and faster. (EVEN in gaming it's going to stump the Tegra3)
Google getting hands on quad core - that must actually mean that they will actually do their best to optimize their phone to run quad-core. And since it is google we are talking about i can imagine them doing a great job.
First to get updates (reason enough to go for the Nexus 4 over the one x)
IPS screen (supposed to be among the best)
Really. What more can i say. There's one thing i don't doubt, and that's the fact that the tegra 4 is going to be better battery wise and faster. However, i don't feel like waiting for a tegra 4 device and to top it off, you actually need a manufacturer that makes the best out of it. For people who are not into gaming, they probably won't notice much of a difference. At the pace that google is improving their OS i just can't make up for excuses to stay with other manufacturers.

shadehh said:
Yeah... You said it.. early benchmarks.
We've seen how the HoX did before and after certain benchmarks. So there's no reason not to believe that it won't be the same in nexus 4's case.
Then you have multiple pros for the Nexus 4:
Bigger battery (2100 mAh) is nothing remarkable. However, 28nm is more power efficient which would mean we should definitely be experiencing a better battery life in the Nexus 4 than on the One X. Even if stand by times won't be as good, the battery life with screen on is going to be better. (see galaxy s3).
For people that want their phone for regular day to day usage, s4 chip is supposed to be better and faster. (EVEN in gaming it's going to stump the Tegra3)
Google getting hands on quad core - that must actually mean that they will actually do their best to optimize their phone to run quad-core. And since it is google we are talking about i can imagine them doing a great job.
First to get updates (reason enough to go for the Nexus 4 over the one x)
IPS screen (supposed to be among the best)
Really. What more can i say. There's one thing i don't doubt, and that's the fact that the tegra 4 is going to be better battery wise and faster. However, i don't feel like waiting for a tegra 4 device and to top it off, you actually need a manufacturer that makes the best out of it. For people who are not into gaming, they probably won't notice much of a difference. At the pace that google is improving their OS i just can't make up for excuses to stay with other manufacturers.
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Well, technically the S4 pro does stump the Tegra 3 in gaming, but Tegra 3 has more optimized games in Play Store so therefore Tegra wins. The SLCD2 is also better than the IPS in some reviews, and the underclocked GPU is also very apparent is some benchmarks.
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shadehh said:
Yeah... You said it.. early benchmarks.
We've seen how the HoX did before and after certain benchmarks. So there's no reason not to believe that it won't be the same in nexus 4's case.
Then you have multiple pros for the Nexus 4:
Bigger battery (2100 mAh) is nothing remarkable. However, 28nm is more power efficient which would mean we should definitely be experiencing a better battery life in the Nexus 4 than on the One X. Even if stand by times won't be as good, the battery life with screen on is going to be better. (see galaxy s3).
For people that want their phone for regular day to day usage, s4 chip is supposed to be better and faster. (EVEN in gaming it's going to stump the Tegra3)
Google getting hands on quad core - that must actually mean that they will actually do their best to optimize their phone to run quad-core. And since it is google we are talking about i can imagine them doing a great job.
First to get updates (reason enough to go for the Nexus 4 over the one x)
IPS screen (supposed to be among the best)
Really. What more can i say. There's one thing i don't doubt, and that's the fact that the tegra 4 is going to be better battery wise and faster. However, i don't feel like waiting for a tegra 4 device and to top it off, you actually need a manufacturer that makes the best out of it. For people who are not into gaming, they probably won't notice much of a difference. At the pace that google is improving their OS i just can't make up for excuses to stay with other manufacturers.
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One major flaw though, only 8GB or 16GB internal memory and no expansion slot.
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How long do you think before the Note 2 gets/feels outdated?

Im sure this question doesnt really get thrown around alot considering the Note 2 is still a relatively new release. However, im curious to know how long before it starts to feel "outdated" just like the Galaxy S3. Im sure im not the only one who feels that way towards the S3 Int version. I mean one of the reason i switched to a Note 2 was because of the bigger screen and the extra 1GB Ram...feels like this could be future proof atleast for some time but thats also what i felt about the S3 when i first got it until they started releasing phones with 2gigs and full HD screens. What do you guys think?

When samsung releases note 3 I think.. and thats about 3rd to 4th quarter next year..
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And also not so many apps today optimize quad core processor.. and when that time comes note 2 is still running smoothly because what you are holding right now is not yet fully optimize.. wait until all developers optimize their apps and you will see the real note 2..
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I'd say when the Note 3 comes out or a worthy equal from a competitor
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Yeah but doesn't it put you off sometimes when your phone hasn't even been through half of its product cycle and already you start seeing leaks of its successor and then suddenly all the spot light is taken away from your current device. I'm proud of showing my friends how much better is the note 2 compared to his one x and the spot light helps.
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bushako said:
Yeah but doesn't it put you off sometimes when your phone hasn't even been through half of its product cycle and already you start seeing leaks of its successor and then suddenly all the spot light is taken away from your current device. I'm proud of showing my friends how much better is the note 2 compared to his one x and the spot light helps.
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It is just a device and it is all in your mind. Get over it.

I think its already outdated...
I keep trying to reassure myself by telling myself that the software support in xda is awesome...
I guess I will have to stick to this device a little longer...
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bushako said:
Yeah but doesn't it put you off sometimes when your phone hasn't even been through half of its product cycle and already you start seeing leaks of its successor and then suddenly all the spot light is taken away from your current device. I'm proud of showing my friends how much better is the note 2 compared to his one x and the spot light helps.
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I have both note 2 and one x as well as an s3, and the hox screen is by far the best amongst the 3 in terms of crispness in my opinion.
But back on topic haha, i think it is good that technology is moving so fast. Just means better stuff for us to upgrade to in a year. The note 2 is powerful enough to withstand the changes that will occur in the next 12 months at the very least.
Try not to look at it as being in the spotlight, because regardless of what samsung or anyone else bring, the note 2 is still so unique that it can stand on it own until something else of similar size and with a stylus comes along
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gpgalanis said:
It is just a device and it is all in your mind. Get over it.
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I wish it were true for everyone but fortunately not everyone thinks alike. I see it a bit more than just a device..It should be able to work as fluidly as it was when I first had it at least for the few years ahead, and keep up with newer apps that demand more hardware resources. I like to have the greatest and the latest or at least try, but that's me
edwinpang said:
I think its already outdated...
I keep trying to reassure myself by telling myself that the software support in xda is awesome...
I guess I will have to stick to this device a little longer...
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Yupe I tell that to myself too from time to time...
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Now and for some time in the future, the specs of our devices should suffice. Get a new battery in a year, keep installing new updates and enjoy your awesome phone

bushako said:
Im sure this question doesnt really get thrown around alot considering the Note 2 is still a relatively new release. However, im curious to know how long before it starts to feel "outdated" just like the Galaxy S3. Im sure im not the only one who feels that way towards the S3 Int version. I mean one of the reason i switched to a Note 2 was because of the bigger screen and the extra 1GB Ram...feels like this could be future proof atleast for some time but thats also what i felt about the S3 when i first got it until they started releasing phones with 2gigs and full HD screens. What do you guys think?
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I've used the note (1) for almost a year and wouldn't have bought note 2 if it wasn't for my kid needing a new phone (my note 1). As I still feel the Note 1 is still in the game, especially when JB is released, I don't think I will feel my note 2 being outdated for atleast 2 years.
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Adde79 said:
I've used the note (1) for almost a year and wouldn't have bought note 2 if it wasn't for my kid needing a new phone (my note 1). As I still feel the Note 1 is still in the game, especially when JB is released, I don't think I will feel my note 2 being outdated for atleast 2 years.
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Hehe. In my case it was Mom who got my old HTC Desire. (She loves it.)
The Note 2 has just the right size for me and - compared to the Desire - more space than I'd even know what to do with, so my guess is I'll still be happy with it in 2 years. But who knows what they'll throw on the market in the near future...

When the s4 is released, my note 2 will probably become a secondary device.....depending on the actual specs released on the s4.
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Until Note 2 keeps getting updates and new features I'll be more than happy to be with it.
The moment ,say Key Lime Pie(unlikely) or a later version, is not released for us, the phone will feel outdated. Cause the quad core specs should hold up for a couple of years and all that is needed are constant updates giving way to new features.
Thats what i feel.

It will probably be awhile before we start seeing more cores utilized properly aside from games. There aren't that many heavy duty apps for mobiles. Even apps that take up a lot of ram don't need a lot of horse power. We need some distributed networking stuff and some real Photoshop and video/audio conversion apps to utilize the cores.
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It will probably be awhile before we start seeing more cores utilized properly aside from games. There aren't that many heavy duty apps for mobiles. Even apps that take up a lot of ram don't need a lot of horse power. We need some distributed networking stuff and some real Photoshop and video/audio conversion apps to utilize the cores.
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My thoughts exactly.

There are a few aspects which I consider when buying a phone, and for determining if a phone is outdated or not.
I'll give you my thoughts on when the Note II will be "outdated" - keep in mind this is relative and subject to your own opinion.
The Note II is a great device and in my opinion, it will still be great to use for the coming 2 years (which is standard contract length).
The following aspects are which I use to determine if a phone is outdated:
Battery
The Note II has a decent battery, 3100 mAh is very good for any phone. But the capacity is relative to the hardware of the phone; because of the screen size and quad-core CPU you cannot compare this 1:1 with, say, a 4 inch dual-core phone. The hardware of the Note II drains alot more battery capacity than a 4 inch dual-core phone would. Nonetheless, you can get 36-40 hours out of the battery, which still is better than most phones nowadays.
Screen
The screen of the Note II isn't it's strongest aspect. Sure, the 5.5" 1280x720 screen is nice, but what is important is the ppi (pixels per inch). The Note II has 267 ppi. In a few months there will be some phones with a 5" 1920x1080 screen, resulting in 443 ppi. This is alot better than the Note II. For now the Note II has a good screen, but it will be less attractive once the 5" 1920x1080 phones are released.
The screen won't be damaged by normal use, which is good.
CPU
An Exynos 4412 quad-core CPU at 1.6 GHz is a very good CPU. One of the best at the present moment. However, the coming Intel CPU's in Android phones will give it a run for it's money.
GPU
The Note II comes with a quad-core Mali-400MP GPU clocked at 400 MHz. This will provide the Note II with all the graphics processing power it needs and won't be surpassed soon. It's supposed to render as well as the PS3 and XBox 360. However, NVidia's Tegra 4 (not released yet) will be better.
Memory
2 GB RAM is very good, and any phone won't need more for quite a while.
Build quality
It might feel a little cheap, but it is quite strong and well-made. I am using it without a case (but with flip cover) and after about 2 months, it is still undamaged. This may vary between users but for me, it's a plus.
Development possibilities
The Note II is easy to root and there is active development going on. No downside here besides the fact that once rooted on stock ROM, you can no longer recieve OTA updates from Samsung.
Camera
The 8 MP camerica is ok. There are already better camera's in some other phones, but alot of the currently available phones have worse camera's.
Update likeliness
Samsung will surely keep the phone updated with the latest Android versions available. No worries about not being able to have the latest Android version on your phone - and if Samsung decides to stop updating, the active development community will probably provide you with a custom ROM of the latest version.
In conclusion: in the coming few months the Note II will be surpassed by other phones. However, it is a decent phone and can surely last you 2 years without losing much of it's power. So, yes, in terms of specifications, it will be outdated by the end of 2013. However, it will still be a great device and in terms of consumer satisfaction, it will not be outdated for atleast 2 years.

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It will probably be awhile before we start seeing more cores utilized properly aside from games. There aren't that many heavy duty apps for mobiles. Even apps that take up a lot of ram don't need a lot of horse power. We need some distributed networking stuff and some real Photoshop and video/audio conversion apps to utilize the cores.
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Im curious though, since when was dual core never enough that they had the need to increase the number of cores. Not that im complaining but isnt the main issue with experiencing some sluggishness is due to the apps running in some sort of a virtual environment( forgive me if i use the wrong terms here)? I figured why not just increase the clock speed and improve the OS to be able to fully utilize what resources are available from the hardware to its maximum potential. The way i see it...hardware wise they have taken huge leaps where as software needs alot of catching up to do...and that gap is still ever increasing.

bushako said:
Im curious though, since when was dual core never enough that they had the need to increase the number of cores. Not that im complaining but isnt the main issue with experiencing some sluggishness is due to the apps running in some sort of a virtual environment( forgive me if i use the wrong terms here)? I figured why not just increase the clock speed and improve the OS to be able to fully utilize what resources are available from the hardware to its maximum potential. The way i see it...hardware wise they have taken huge leaps where as software needs alot of catching up to do...and that gap is still ever increasing.
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Same goes for x86 architecture. There are a lot more apps that use it, that really benefit from it too, but some of the lesser apps that utilize use it in a faux way that doesn't really benefit from it. A lot of it is education and engineering but the other part of it is storage is still the bottleneck. Ssd's are still kind of slow unless utilized in good raid array. The current Intel core CPU's can decimate all the bits thrown at it in most mainstream systems.
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I got a note 2 for myself and an S3 as a present to my mom (she didn't want the big size at all) for me the note 2 specs are top notch.
For CPU I think the exynos 4412 quad is the best second to that is probably the snap dragon s4 quad
Ram 2 gigs is pretty much the standard for smart phones now and don't think will change in quite some time.
screen is beautiful. Tbh when you look closely with note 2 and s3 side by side the s3 is better but that's because of the higher ppi
Don't forget the s pen is a huge selling point no other phone except the note 1, 2 has it. Especially with all the awesome Features of It.

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Same goes for x86 architecture. There are a lot more apps that use it, that really benefit from it too, but some of the lesser apps that utilize use it in a faux way that doesn't really benefit from it. A lot of it is education and engineering but the other part of it is storage is still the bottleneck. Ssd's are still kind of slow unless utilized in good raid array. The current Intel core CPU's can decimate all the bits thrown at it in most mainstream systems.
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So in other words unless there aren't many apps being developed that require more powerful processors and ram then there's really not that much to look forward to with the upcoming s4 performance wise other than an increase in display size, pixel density and perhaps battery life... I can't imagine how much more improvements can be done over the current performance of the note 2. This thing is literally by far the best phone experience since my last iphone device.
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