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Hey folks, I'm a prior Inspire and Atrix 2 owner moving soon to the ion. My Atrix 2 caused me no end of troubles and AT&T offered to give me a new phone. Most people think I'm insane for not choosing the One x or the Atrix HD, but I have plenty of reasons to choose the ion. Is there anything I should know or be wary of before I jump in? It'll be about a week before my phone shows up. I already know that the bootloader is locked and the root is difficult and the ICS is supposedly on the way in a few weeks to a month or so, I'm really not super worried about any of that. I also have heard that the capacitive buttons are a pain.
I'm glad to be here!
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Hey folks, I'm a prior Inspire and Atrix 2 owner moving soon to the ion. My Atrix 2 caused me no end of troubles and AT&T offered to give me a new phone. Most people think I'm insane for not choosing the One x or the Atrix HD, but I have plenty of reasons to choose the ion. Is there anything I should know or be wary of before I jump in? It'll be about a week before my phone shows up. I already know that the bootloader is locked and the root is difficult and the ICS is supposedly on the way in a few weeks to a month or so, I'm really not super worried about any of that. I also have heard that the capacitive buttons are a pain.
I'm glad to be here!
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None of that's true imo. Root is pretty easy, we have ics via hk firmware, we have init.d support and a working cwm. The capacitive buttons are not a pain, just different.
I like the state of things on the ion, not one-click easy, but not expert level either. It's enough to get to learn my phone.
The only thing we're missing at this point is custom dev work, but it's coming.
Sent from Rooted LT28at with ICS.
Well, that makes me feel even better! I suppose that was just the impression I got from briefly picking through the forums here. Either way, I can't wait to get my ion.
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Hey folks, I'm a prior Inspire and Atrix 2 owner moving soon to the ion. My Atrix 2 caused me no end of troubles and AT&T offered to give me a new phone. Most people think I'm insane for not choosing the One x or the Atrix HD, but I have plenty of reasons to choose the ion. Is there anything I should know or be wary of before I jump in? It'll be about a week before my phone shows up. I already know that the bootloader is locked and the root is difficult and the ICS is supposedly on the way in a few weeks to a month or so, I'm really not super worried about any of that. I also have heard that the capacitive buttons are a pain.
I'm glad to be here!
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all you MAY or MAY NOT worry about are the call volume, speaker, battery life, and bootloader
call volume and speaker are acceptable to me and many, but some people complaint about it
short battery life is due to the LTE network, if you shut data down then it should last much longer. with LTE on, the battery should not last more than 24 hours
you don't need to worry about root or ICS but probably the bootloader
capacitive buttons are definitely not a pain. you should slide up on the icons to activate the functions. it's just a way sony prevents misclick, so blame sony for not pointing that out.
I don't think there's an LTE tower within 60 miles of here (and that's assuming Philly has LTE, if not...200 miles? Lol). As long as LTE doesn't affect battery life when you're not connected to an LTE tower, I ought to be fine. The battery is much bigger than my Atrix 2s and that had LTE as well.
I actually read about the sliding up. If that works as well as it sounds, it might actually be a nice feature.
I am quite happy with mine. ICS works quite well and the device has quite a bit of options built in. Cant really find allot of things I would change on it really. As for battery life I have not had any issue. I tend to stay on my wifi and we dont have LTE here but with heavy use I tend to see 13 hours fairly easy. With normal use I can go 24 hours or so. You should be pleased.
That's pretty impressive! Getting ICS on this device on my own right now is a bit daunting to me, but I'm sure it will come on its own in due time. What sort of "options" are you referring to? I quite enjoy the personalization of these devices, its the primary reason I chose Android in the first place.
Its not really as hard as it seems once you get adb setup properly. Just a guess but I highly doubt we will see a stock ATT ICS until after the new Sony device is released on ATT. With the Ion going to free so quickly it really does seem like it was test unit for the device that's coming as they are both quite similar in hardware.
As for options there are quite a few things you can change compared to some other devices. The themes are nice, ringer profiles, geo tagging has some neat features to view where you or friends have taken a photo, can add backgrounds to the lock screen, etc etc. Nothing really ground breaking but I find it to be a fun device.
One thing to note is battery use in my screen shots was with out using battery saving mode. The only app I have used that may contribute to my up time is Booster. Its a nice little app for keeping programs from staying on and has a time threshold for when it should kill apps. Fairly simple to set up and has a few other nice options.
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Just a guess but I highly doubt we will see a stock ATT ICS until after the new Sony device is released on ATT.
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You WILL see ICS before any new Sony device comes to AT&T.
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Welcome to the forums. I'm a former Atrix 2 owner myself. I find the Ion to be a more fluid and capable device. Sony did a fine job with this phone. ICS will be awesome I'm sure. I did run the Atrix 2 on ICS and it improved 10x. Sony did a better job with Gingerbread IMO. It's just an all around better platform in terms of hardware and dev support for the future as well. Read the Sony blogs for details. Great community here too! Almost everybody here is very positive, friendly and helpful. Congratulations on your new phone.
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I'm with you Silas, I've been using Samsung phones just got the Ion, it resembles my playstation 3 in the way it's designed. My Ion is still stock, Samsung phones seem impossible to brick. I want to root this Ion, but since I'm new to Sony I'm reading over every thing at least twice.
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Thanks folks! Yes, I'm expecting this phone to be a nice improvement overall. Lots of people are still amazed that I didn't go with the One X or the Galaxy S3, but I'm glad with my decision. Gingerbread on this phone does seem like a nice change from others. And I'm banking on that ICS sooner than later, Spectre!
I read some article at the Ion's release time saying that the capacitive buttons were hellish, and I've had exactly one issue with them responding since I got the phone on release date, and that was due to the phone freezing for 5 seconds (which, coincidentally, has also happened exactly once). As for flashing ICS, it's not at all difficult for someone of beginner or novice computer skill levels to figure it out in under an hour. In truth, it seems more daunting a task than the reality. You shouldn't have any problems with it, but if you do, there are more than a few kind members of the Ion board that would be more than happy to help you with even the simplest of questions, provided you ask in a polite manner. Congratulations on your new phone, and welcome to the community.
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I'm with you Silas, I've been using Samsung phones just got the Ion, it resembles my playstation 3 in the way it's designed. My Ion is still stock, Samsung phones seem impossible to brick. I want to root this Ion, but since I'm new to Sony I'm reading over every thing at least twice.
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I think I'll be reading over everything 10 times before I try it on this phone, lol. The root process on my Inspire was a bear, but the ion looks like defusing a bomb... lots of steps, one wrong move and you're toast.
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I think I'll be reading over everything 10 times before I try it on this phone, lol. The root process on my Inspire was a bear, but the ion looks like defusing a bomb... lots of steps, one wrong move and you're toast.
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It's one of those things that after you do it, you kind of look at yourself silly because you thought it was going to be so hard. The main problem people have (I know I did) is with making sure that the drivers are installed. Also make sure you're using the correct tools for the OS you're using.
Hi all
I'm not the kind of guy that buys every new flagship, I actually still have a Motorola Defy, which I'm willing to retire.
At the same time, I was thinking on getting a tablet, but never seen much use on such device without the phone functionalities, and kind of discovered this Galaxy Note II. Very nice.
I liked a lot the Spen and the bigger screen, which would probably end my eager for a tablet. The battery also seems very good, which is important to me. Micro SD slot is a must. Also, the quad core and 2 GB of RAM seem very future-proof as I want a phone to keep with me for at least a couple of years (as did the Defy).
But now, as I think it is the best place to ask, is the Note II a good customization device? How are ROM developers going?
The Defy actually was kind of a surprise, there is a consistent amount of ROM options for it. I imagine that, as Samsung is so popular, that it would be for this device as well. On the other hand, there is so much stuff, like the pen and the (not so) new hardware... i wonder if it get on the way...
Looking forward for your opinions. Thanks a lot and regards
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Hi all
I'm not the kind of guy that buys every new flagship, I actually still have a Motorola Defy, which I'm willing to retire.
At the same time, I was thinking on getting a tablet, but never seen much use on such device without the phone functionalities, and kind of discovered this Galaxy Note II. Very nice.
I liked a lot the Spen and the bigger screen, which would probably end my eager for a tablet. The battery also seems very good, which is important to me. Micro SD slot is a must. Also, the quad core and 2 GB of RAM seem very future-proof as I want a phone to keep with me for at least a couple of years (as did the Defy).
But now, as I think it is the best place to ask, is the Note II a good customization device? How are ROM developers going?
The Defy actually was kind of a surprise, there is a consistent amount of ROM options for it. I imagine that, as Samsung is so popular, that it would be for this device as well. On the other hand, there is so much stuff, like the pen and the (not so) new hardware... i wonder if it get on the way...
Looking forward for your opinions. Thanks a lot and regards
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Youve pretty much answered all your questions. I can only emphasize on the fact that it definitely is a future proof device as there have been several articles that it will receive the Key Lime Pie update and as you said due to its popularity it has an ever growing number of supporters and developers, and the number of developments is growing by the day. Considering the Note 3 will take several months to arrive and several MORE months on top of that before you see any exciting developments. I would say now would be a somewhat good time to get it, considering you prefer the Spen and bigger screen, as you wont have to wait before you start flashing and customizing these abundant roms and mods available now.
Just a word of advice, before purchasing the Note 2 make sure it has the latest eMMC chip type which is 0xf7 since the older revisions have vulnerability to SDS (Sudden Death Syndrome)
Read here to get a proper picture if you havent http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2093599
Good luck.:good:
I have a note 2 for sale check my SIG on the bottom
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Hi bushako
thanks for the hint!
I`m afraid I won't be able to check it prior actually having the phone. This issue is something that Samsung has made a recall or something? If so, I believe I can check and if it has the defective chip I could ask for another.
This chip problem is recent or was it just from the first batches?
Well, thats nice that this phone is well served on customizations and so on. When I asked, I imagined answers like "that other phone has so much more customization options", but, as you said, I believe we`re fine.
dirtbikerr450, I appreciate the offer but I`m from Brazil and it would be too much of a trouble to get it.
The development is pretty good around here. And the chip issue is just with the older batch, but still check if you have fx01 chip especially, which has this brickbug issue. Use eMMc brickbug check app to confirm.
Ok, just pulled the trigger.
Bought online, should have it next week.
Since we are here, let me ask one more thing:
should I bother with a case and screen protection ASAP?
I have the Defy (Gorilla Glass 1) for a couple of years, never used any of that, and everything is ok, the screen doesnt have a scratch. But I see a fuss for such protections, it seems everyone have.
Is there a problem in carrying it around in my pocket without any of these protections? In a short and in a long term?
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Ok, just pulled the trigger.
Bought online, should have it next week.
Since we are here, let me ask one more thing:
should I bother with a case and screen protection ASAP?
I have the Defy (Gorilla Glass 1) for a couple of years, never used any of that, and everything is ok, the screen doesnt have a scratch. But I see a fuss for such protections, it seems everyone have.
Is there a problem in carrying it around in my pocket without any of these protections? In a short and in a long term?
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Metal, S Pen etc. shouldn't scratch it at all, but if, by any chance, a grain of sand gets in there somewhere, you'll have a pretty annoying scratch there. Why take your chances with something like that? I have those 1$ ones on and except the fact that it's an oil magnet, I barely notice it to be honest. Some others invest a lot on screen protectors, and they get what they pay for So yeah, upto you.
It's been a month, and having no further evidence that a software exploit for permanent root/unlocked bootloader is near being released, I'm dumping my HTC One. Hate to have to leave HTC, but with carrier restrictions and not having the ability to customize my device without sending it 2000 miles away, I'm not going to sit on this phone and watch it die for 6 months, then be stuck with it.
I've debated back and forth, and refuse to send my device out to get S-off. I don't think many developers are going to be interested enough to buy the device if they don't already have it knowing this is the only option of doing so. But I do thank Sonic for helping a lot of us out.
Thanks for the help most of you have given me, good luck, and hopefully an exploit comes out by Friday morning.
Have fun. Good luck
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Best you stick with nexus and dev devices if you care so deeply about rooting your phone. No ones going to stop you from leaving but just know all of us will still be enjoying the beautiful hardware of the HTC one
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It's been a month, and having no further evidence that a software exploit for permanent root/unlocked bootloader is near being released, I'm dumping my HTC One. Hate to have to leave HTC, but with carrier restrictions and not having the ability to customize my device without sending it 2000 miles away, I'm not going to sit on this phone and watch it die for 6 months, then be stuck with it.
I've debated back and forth, and refuse to send my device out to get S-off. I don't think many developers are going to be interested enough to buy the device if they don't already have it knowing this is the only option of doing so. But I do thank Sonic for helping a lot of us out.
Thanks for the help most of you have given me, good luck, and hopefully an exploit comes out by Friday morning.
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... Wow... Your own fault... And you had to make this posy because.... Man whatever... People never get smarter...
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Meh, not sure how much I respect the "look at me" post, but as a person who just switched from a Verizon Gnex to this phone today, the post really needed to be made because it does reflect on more peoples opinion than just his
i guess if you can't take the stock, keep out of the non nexus'....OK that was bad
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Meh, not sure how much I respect the "look at me" post, but as a person who just switched from a Verizon Gnex to this phone today, the post really needed to be made because it does reflect on more peoples opinion than just his
i guess if you can't take the stock, keep out of the non nexus'....OK that was bad
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Yea pretty much follow the golden rule. If you aren't fine running stock don't buy it... Unless its a nexus then you get cake.
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I would like to think that your life would be much better if you didn't get so upset about somebody else's choice.
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I would like to think that your life would be much better if you didn't get so upset about somebody else's choice.
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Just jumped ship for the same reason s4 rooted here I come will miss Zoe :silly:
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I would like to think that your life would be much better if you didn't get so upset about somebody else's choice.
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Or someone posting something for drama lol.
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After being a crack flahser for 2 years, I decided that I was spending 6-8 hours per week flashing ROM's. Why, because I could. Other than the few customizations I did, my primary use for an unlocked and rooted phone was to use Google Wallet. Since my new CC offers me an NFC card, I don't even need Wallet. That said, I purchased the One as I wanted a FAST phone without having to tweak it and spend hours unlocking and swapping ROMS.
Point being, the ONE may not be the phone for you if you want to unlock it and customize it further. This is one of those things that you should have been aware of when you purchased it. If knowing there was no exploit availble, and you purchased it with the hopes that there would be, that was your mistake and I agree, you should get rid of it. NEVER purchase a device that has not already been exploited if you like to flash ROMS.
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After being a crack flahser for 2 years, I decided that I was spending 6-8 hours per week flashing ROM's. Why, because I could. Other than the few customizations I did, my primary use for an unlocked and rooted phone was to use Google Wallet. Since my new CC offers me an NFC card, I don't even need Wallet. That said, I purchased the One as I wanted a FAST phone without having to tweak it and spend hours unlocking and swapping ROMS.
Point being, the ONE may not be the phone for you if you want to unlock it and customize it further. This is one of those things that you should have been aware of when you purchased it. If knowing there was no exploit availble, and you purchased it with the hopes that there would be, that was your mistake and I agree, you should get rid of it. NEVER purchase a device that has not already been exploited if you like to flash ROMS.
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AMEN.
Some of the great phones of the past took months to unlock, and the people who waited ended up with awesome
Phones. Anyone who thought this vzw phone would be rooted in a few weeks isn't real bright.
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For all of you that are dumping your Ones for something else BYE . But Im almost possitive there is an exploit for this device and it will not be released untill the 4.3 update rolls out so that it dont get patched , thas my two cents . If after the release there is no exploit , I will then send my SEXY Blue BEAST out to Sonic and let him sprinkle some magic on it , and then we will have Tranquil on our Ones.
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After being a crack flahser for 2 years, I decided that I was spending 6-8 hours per week flashing ROM's. Why, because I could. Other than the few customizations I did, my primary use for an unlocked and rooted phone was to use Google Wallet. Since my new CC offers me an NFC card, I don't even need Wallet. That said, I purchased the One as I wanted a FAST phone without having to tweak it and spend hours unlocking and swapping ROMS.
Point being, the ONE may not be the phone for you if you want to unlock it and customize it further. This is one of those things that you should have been aware of when you purchased it. If knowing there was no exploit availble, and you purchased it with the hopes that there would be, that was your mistake and I agree, you should get rid of it. NEVER purchase a device that has not already been exploited if you like to flash ROMS.
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This. The only things that bother me with sense is the cluttered status bar, the wifi persistent notification, and few other other things.
I just picked up my One last night, having been swayed by the irresistible Best Buy price this week. I'm coming from a Thunderbolt, which was my first Android phone and one on which I had a lot of fun learning to root and ROM. I did that to my heart's content on that phone.
Having said that, I came over to this device because, well, yeah, the price... but also because it's such a massive hardware upgrade over the Tbolt. I moved over to this phone with my eyes wide open. I know there's no exploit at present for the One, and I accept that there may never be one. I'm not crazy about Sense, so one of the first things I did was to run Nova Launcher. Bye bye Blinkfeed, etc. I'll be fine running this phone stock unless and until.
I agree with the general consensus here: don't get a phone you won't be happy with stock.
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I just picked up my One last night, having been swayed by the irresistible Best Buy price this week. I'm coming from a Thunderbolt, which was my first Android phone and one on which I had a lot of fun learning to root and ROM. I did that to my heart's content on that phone.
Having said that, I came over to this device because, well, yeah, the price... but also because it's such a massive hardware upgrade over the Tbolt. I moved over to this phone with my eyes wide open. I know there's no exploit at present for the One, and I accept that there may never be one. I'm not crazy about Sense, so one of the first things I did was to run Nova Launcher. Bye bye Blinkfeed, etc. I'll be fine running this phone stock unless and until.
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Congrats on the major hardware upgrade I had the Thunderbolt for a little while, wasn't a big fan, then got the Rezound. Loved the Rezound. But yes, the HTC One is an amazing device, even stock. I also didn't like blinkfeed, so I am, too, using the Nova launcher.
To the OP, thanks for stopping by, good luck with you future devices. I'll hold out for a hopefull exploit after 4.3 is released, and like others have said, if that doesn't turn out, hopefully I can send my phone to Sonic to get s-off.
Should never buy a phone with the expectation that it will be unlocked. Especially in such a short time frame.
I don't think it was necessary to make a post about getting rid of your phone, but to each their own.
I hope you find the phone that works for you. Just don't buy a phone you aren't happy with out of the box. Sounds like you should either buy a nexus phone, a dev edition phone, or wait and buy a phone that the community has already exploited.
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I think I agree with most people when I say this, I didn't buy the One for it's root or ROM capabilities I bought it because the phone is awesome. I personally think HTC did a great job with Sense 5, before I used this I was on the Thunderbolt and it was still a good phone I'm glad u went with HTC. The only reason I care for root now is adblock and uninstalling Verizon's apps.
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Thank you
Thank you .............................
Still have confidence in XDA Dev's
I can sorta see both sides of this. To me the HTC one is the best phone I have owned BY FAR! S4 was great phone but I like the build, screen, and speaker quality of this one better.
I get the "Don't by the phone if you aren't happy running stock" line of thinking. However, I buy these phones with full confidence that XDA developers will find an exploit within a reasonably short time. Every phone I have owned way back to the Driod X were rootable within a short time. Am I wrong for thinking that?
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I get the "Don't by the phone if you aren't happy running stock" line of thinking. However, I buy these phones with full confidence that XDA developers will find an exploit within a reasonably short time. Every phone I have owned way back to the Driod X were rootable within a short time. Am I wrong for thinking that?
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I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong for thinking anything. You would be wrong, however, in buying a phone with expectations that devs would root the phone and then throw a fit if they don't. If you think they owe you something - I'm not saying you do - or if you think you deserve their efforts on your phone of choice then you would be wrong in that.
The advice to buy a phone you love AS-IS is great advice because if you don't get what you're hoping for, you're still good with your choice.
Is it wrong to hope the devs get you squared away quick? No. Is it wrong to demand it of them? Yes.
Hey everyone, I'm right on the verge of upgrading my current Galaxy Note 8 (SGH P5110 - wifi variant) to this device (the T-mobile lte variant), so I've been frantically searching this forum to make sure it was a reasonable upgrade and what the deal with the Tmo variant was, so I just wanted to clarify a few things I've learned so far, and just ask for opinions from xda members who own this device.
This "opportunity" came about rather unexpectedly, but in addition to the hardware upgrade, purchasing this tablet would have several additional significant benefits, to the point where cost is barely an issue (it will end up costing me next to nothing, if I don't actually make a little money on the deal). It's for this reason that if I were to go for an upgrade right now, it would have to be this device and it would have to be from T-mobile. The whole situation is kind of complex and super ridiculous, and even my hardest attempt to explain it briefly was getting out of hand... I'll edit this post and add it on tomorrow probably and those who don't care can easily skip it (probably a recommendation that also applies to "satisfied" AT&T customers, but then again, it's one of those "Yeah, I know. They actually pull that sort of thing regularly," so perhaps a PSA )
Anyway, to be honest, this tablet wouldn't really be on the "consideration" list if I was just looking for a new tablet... I'd at least wait to find out about the Nexus 9 if that were the case. However, upgrading my phone at some point is a much higher priority vs. tablet, despite the fact that it is pretty near to the "time" for one... I've been happy with the Note 8, and fortunately there were some very talented developers who worked on it, but not unlike your tablet, it was never really promoted by T-Mobile and never had a huge user-base. So this is pretty much my opportunity for a tablet upgrade, where I not to do it, I really can't say when I'd be able to retire the Note 8 (similar to internals of S3 despite being released around the time of the S4), however, the Note 10 does seem like it would be an extremely solid upgrade from the Note 8 so I just want to ask a few questions just to make sure I wouldn't really regret it on any level.
Ok, so the tablet sold by T-Mobile has the model number P607t, but it's really just a carrier branded P605 and compatible with the same ROMS as that device? If that's not the case / just to make sure: you can relatively easily gain full root (i.e. custom ROM, kernel, recovery)? Last, are there problems / issues / differences (aside from chipset) that make it inferior to the P605 or P600?
That's really all I just want to be sure of before pulling the trigger. Basic stuff, I know, but this was totally unexpected and don't have the luxury of time to do as much research as I'd like prior to deciding, so if anyone would be kind enough to address my impressions above, I'd be beyond grateful :good: Also any thoughts on the device sold by Tmo, or the upgrade from the P5110 to what looks to be a very nice device (despite how quickly Samsung stole the "super premium" label off of it) would be most welcome as well.
Hopefully I'm not mistaken regarding the info I've gleaned, and will soon have a new toy in hand. If that works out, I'll undoubtedly be spending much more time on this corner of XDA. Thanks much in advance
Any 10 inch tablet is better than a 8 inch screen...Go with the 2014 Note.....best tab out for the money...
I just rooted my gf p607t....Towelroot
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
Any 10 inch tablet is better than a 8 inch screen...Go with the 2014 Note.....best tab out for the money...
I just rooted my gf p607t....Towelroot
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I'm watching this thread because I am 95% in the same situation.
You will love the tablet thats a gaurantee however don't expect Android L or whatever the next updates is going to be anytime soon.
But yeah no tablet like it at the minute ... I use my tablet every single day for atleast 3hours a day. I actually gave away my laptop to my brother as the tablet is faster and more convenient in every way (bar typing lol). Anyhoo hope yous make the right choice...but like I said be prepared tonwait for updates haha.
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I'm watching this thread because I am 95% in the same situation.
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Not a bad situation to be in Thanks for the confirmation / encouragement. I'd definitely agree that 10.5 inchers are preferable, particularly for a Note 3 owner, unless the 8" in question is easily root/ROMable and 10.1, despite being a very significant upgrade across the board (will go from looking at an 8" 1600X1200(!) screen to this absolute beauty) it's ridiculously locked down, bootloader etc, and basically you need to run it straight stock, unable to even remove worthless pre-installed malware.... Were that the case, despite the fact that financially, etc. it really doesn't make sense to not do it, I'd still rather stick with my customized Note 8. The unbreakable rule is: if I'm prevented from viewing every file on a device that I own (i.e. root directory obviously), well, that would never happen because no matter how tempting otherwise, I wouldn't under any circumstances get that device. I think that framing the issue of locked bootloader, etc. and forcing users to jump through hoops to attain that level of access is a good way to clarify just how flat-out silly the issue is at its core when explaining to, ya know, people (i.e. those weirdos that don't even have one Linux partiton ) why that's an issue that they 'should care' about.
So... bit of a tirade on a tangent there but that's at the front of my mind when purchasing hardware, so glad to hear that there won't be any unpleasant surprises when picking up a new device. So really appreciate the encouragement to go ahead with it as well as confirmation of my expectation that it'll be a fantastic upgrade!
Very excited to get my new tablet... maybe today! Going to start downloading files to flash in prep I've been scouring the internet for an ideal case (something slim but protective with an open from, ideally a tempered glass screen cover built in) but have noticed that options are relatively slim... Was considering just going with an Otterbox Defender, but I really don't want to add that width much with to the beautifully slim bezel. No bout I'll find something I like though. Looking forward to learning about and discussing my new hardware with you all!
Geordie Affy said:
You will love the tablet thats a gaurantee however don't expect Android L or whatever the next updates is going to be anytime soon.
But yeah no tablet like it at the minute ... I use my tablet every single day for atleast 3hours a day. I actually gave away my laptop to my brother as the tablet is faster and more convenient in every way (bar typing lol). Anyhoo hope yous make the right choice...but like I said be prepared tonwait for updates haha.
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Right on! I can deal with the update situation, as long as at least a couple solid, actively developed custom ROMS to improve the (shudder) stock experience. I stick with TW base on Note's typically, so my next stop is the devdb to give it a more thorough review. That is definitely a good point re: official updates (i.e. lack thereof) but the device I'm coming from is a Note 8... my "official update" expectations really couldn't be lower :victory:
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Right on! I can deal with the update situation, as long as at least a couple solid, actively developed custom ROMS to improve the (shudder) stock experience. I stick with TW base on Note's typically, so my next stop is the devdb to give it a more thorough review. That is definitely a good point re: official updates (i.e. lack thereof) but the device I'm coming from is a Note 8... my "official update" expectations really couldn't be lower :victory:
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Ah yeah you have Note 8 lol so really you have been set to the perfect standard to buy the Note 10.1 in terms of updates haha.
I couldn't find much info whether there is no KNOX tripping root for the P607. That's the only thing holding me back.
I had the Wi-Fi version and I really, really like it. Unfortunately, I had returned it because there was no root that won't trip Knox and I need root to disable the bloatware that is killing the battery and slowing down the tablet. There are a few thread I posted where I show screenshot of the battery life when the tablet is idle.
But you may not care about root, so go forth and get this tablet![emoji12]
Please advise a tech challenged senior who needs to upgrade.
Still using a Galaxy Nexus that I purchased nearly 3 years ago (January 2014).
Committed to Sprint
Need bigger display for my aging eyes.
Removable battery STRONGLY preferred.
I'll be rooting or jailbreaking whatever I purchase.
Option 1)
Note 4
32GB
Has everything that I want
Dated
At $200-$300, pretty spendy compared to option 3 (see below)
Option 2)
LG v20
64GB
Removable battery and storage, looks promising
Latest android, great hardware, feature rich
At $350, spendiest option
LG reputation seems uneven, boot loop problem ???
Option 3)
iPhone 6s Plus (I only included it because of perceived value)
64GB
Smooth, efficient functionality
Non-Removable battery
Apple seems control freekish
$199 w/warranty is appealing
I've been eyeing the Note 4 for a while and was ready to bid on a used example on Ebay.
Called Sprint to pre-clear the ESN.
They mentioned these other options and I paused to reconsider.
Is it TOO late to purchase the Note 4 simply because it is relatively dated ?
OR,
Is it STILL current ENOUGH compared to these other devices ?
If I have omitted OTHER Sprint phones in my above list please advise.
I lean heavily on the expertise and knowledge of the XDA Community when I upgrade because I don't have the time to follow developments as closely as I'd like.
It was XDA that helped me select the Galaxy Nexus.
It was my first Android Device and I've been very happy with it.
But it's time to move on.
I strongly advise against the iphone. It might be a biased opinion because I'm anti apple. But in my eyes android is way more open and customizable than any apple device.
I don't know much about the Lg V20 to give advice on it.
But as far as the Note 4 goes. Yes it is an ageing device but that also lets you get it cheaper. It still has a small group of developers. It has Nougat for it in the form of CM14. It's hardware might be older but is still better than new low to mid level phones. It has all the bells and whistles. (Battery, ir, sd, finger, etc). After what happened to note 7, this is best note series phone out there.
I will keep my note 4 until it blows up.
As far as where to get phone, yes beware of fakes and such. Never used it but i hear Swappa is suppose to be good place. Just make sure the imei is clean and it's Bootloader shows it to be the device is being sold as. And if it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.
Happy hunting!
Ps. I don't use sprint but do have sprint note 4 and very happy. Yes I'm sure sprint would rather you buy a new device, that's why they gave you suggestions .
But Maybe some actual sprint user devs can give you some input. If you do your research and make sure it's developer friendly device. Im sure you'll be happy with whatever you get.
If you look into another device, check if it's got a thread here and check it's development.
Good luck.
I agree with a lot of what aaron74 said. Though my desktop is an iMac, and I have a MacBook Pro, I won't get an iPhone, because you just can't do what you want with it. Unless you jailbreak it. One of the "features" of jailbreaking is getting apps without paying for them. I'm against that.
The Note 4 is much better than the Note 5, IMHO, because it has both a removable battery and a microSD card slot. Having said that, I loved my Note7 until they recalled them. It only had a microSD card slot. I've had new phone fever since then, but went back to my Note 4 because there still is a lot of development going on for it. The nice thing about getting a Note 4 is that later, if something new and wonderful comes out, you'll probably be able to afford it.
I am on Sprint. The Note 4 is great on Sprint. It has a lot of the features that the newest Samsung phones have like fingerprint reader and multi-window. It still has the IR blaster, so you can use it as a remote for a lot of TVs, DVD players, etc. It has the S-Pen, which even the S7 and S7 Edge don't have. Another problem with the S7s is root hasn't been attained yet. There's very little development happening because of it.
If you are going to root and flash custom ROMs, be sure to read a lot. Then ask questions. It's not the most difficult phone to flash, but having a PC is pretty much necessary.
As for buying a used Note 4, I have bought 2 on Craigslist. (I have also bought a bunch of other phones from Craigs.) I always meet the seller at a Sprint store and have the Sprint people check to make sure the phone can be activated on Sprint. I had one problem with one I bought that was already rooted. A Sprint tech finally pushed through the activation. I really didn't think that could be done. I didn't realize it until I got it home what the problem was. I think the guys figured I was just a dumb lady who wouldn't know better. Also, I always have them activate it, pay the seller, and put Sprint's insurance on it when they activate it. That way it's up to Sprint to fix it if a problem turns up later. I do the $11/month insurance, because I don't need them to insure my network. I can fix that myself. YMMV. I live in the Minneapolis-St Paul area. Note 4s are going for around $200-250.
I have a friend who got a new Note 4 on Amazon for about $325, but she is on T-Mobile. I figure Amazon is pretty safe, as they try really hard to make their customers happy. Amazon also had some refurbished Note 4s for less. Also, buying on Amazon, and probably on eBay, too, allows you to get their insurance, which can be pretty cheap. The one thing none cover, that Sprint does, is lost or stolen phones.
Some accessories you might want are a glass screen protector, a case, and maybe an extra battery. Amazon is a great place for those items. But Sprint is selling the battery pack online , which includes a new battery, an external charging case and a carrying case for the battery. All for $25. You have to use your charger for the charging case. The reason I suggest a battery is that weird things happen when the battery starts to go. Sometimes the Note 4 will shut down for no reason, or bootloop. Or get really hot when charging. I mostly charge with a regular charger rather than the Fast Charger it comes with. I figure the phone has less chance of getting overheated that way, and possibly the batteries last longer. The wireless charging pad is also an option. It will only charge at the lower speed, though, no matter which one you get.
Sorry if that was TMI. Hope it helps you decide, though.
Thanks for the helpful replies.
After considering all available options I picked up a brand new Note 4 on Ebay for $300.
I SHOULD have picked one up when they first came out but I kept hoping for a new Nexus w/ replaceable batteries, like my Galaxy Nexus.
Anyway, the ESN is clean.
The phone is new and beautiful.
I'd NEVER even seen one in person before I purchased mine.
Now I'm trying to learn how to root it and install a custom recovery.
It was so easy with my Galaxy Nexus.
I simply used the Wugfresh Nexus Root Toolkit and it did all the work.
Sadly, I think I may have screwed up when I first powered it up three days ago.
I was prompted to update and, without thinking, I let it.
Well, it installed Marshmallow 6.0.1 and now I can't find the "enable OEM Unlock" toggle that is supposed to appear after I enable developer options.
This is needed to proceed to root, as I understand things
Come to find out that the Marshmallow upgrade eliminated it.
So I need to figure out how to address this before I proceed.
Anyway, I'm sure I'll find the answers here at XDA.
I've learned alot since I joined up in 2008 to educate myself about my first PPC, the Windows Mobile HTC Touch.
I'm very excited to join the others here who have selected the Note 4.
I'm sure it was the best choice for me and I expect to keep her for a couple of years anyway !
Lowranger said:
Thanks for the helpful replies.
Now I'm trying to learn how to root it and install a custom recovery.
It was so easy with my Galaxy Nexus.
I simply used the Wugfresh Nexus Root Toolkit and it did all the work.
Sadly, I think I may have screwed up when I first powered it up three days ago.
I was prompted to update and, without thinking, I let it.
Well, it installed Marshmallow 6.0.1 and now I can't find the "enable OEM Unlock" toggle that is supposed to appear after I enable developer options.
This is needed to proceed to root, as I understand things
Come to find out that the Marshmallow upgrade eliminated it.
So I need to figure out how to address this before I proceed.
Anyway, I'm sure I'll find the answers here at XDA.
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You'll find out things will be done differently but it is still an easy process to root and Twrp.
Correct, there is no more oem unlock in dev options, But you do want to make sure reactivation lock is off. It's in settings>security. Attached pic.
Couple things to know, custom roms will need you to be on certain stock firmware (eg. PJ1, PK1, etc). If your gonna install any newer roms then your newest firmware should be fine. Just if you go to install any older roms you might have to downgrade your stock firmware.
All stock firmware is installed with pc Odin program.
Just know if you go custom it will trip your knox counter. If you don't know what that is google it. It has to do with security using your phone for work, and also warranty. Me myself it's junk but i guess some people need it.
If you want Root and custom though, first thing your gonna want to do is install Twrp with Odin, and make a complete backup of your phone.
But all the info is hereto find and if your unsure just ask.
Lowranger said:
I've learned alot since I joined up in 2008 to educate myself about my first PPC, the Windows Mobile HTC Touch.
I'm very excited to join the others here who have selected the Note 4.
I'm sure it was the best choice for me and I expect to keep her for a couple of years anyway !
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I had that same HTC Touch! There was a dev here on XDA that figured out how to run Android on the Touch. You copied a file to your microSD card. Then you booted into Windows Mobile. From there you ran "HaRET," which was a script to run Android on top of WM. I ran Myn's Warm Donut. It's hard to believe I was running this almost 7 years ago! FWIW, the HTC Touch forum is still up and running here on XDA!
"it is still an easy process to root and Twrp"
Well said,
I was able to TWRP and ROOT w/o too much trouble.
I was briefly interested in the KingoRoot (one-step root).
But I researched and thought better of it.
Anyway, I'm very happy to have the flexibility that rooting offers.
Sweat a few bullets as I proceeded but it all worked out OK !
I'll look at Custom Roms but probably will be happy to simply enjoy my device as is.
My limited appreciation of Custom Roms is that they promise many things but there always seems to be a price.
Battery life, loss of features, random glitches & hitches.
Still open to learn though and XDA is certainly the place for it.
Anyway, I feel like I've found a new home among helpful friends and I'm grateful and happy to be here.