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My touchscreen has stopped working and I have upgraded to WM6. Due too "illegal" software on my phone it bounced at the service with a message that my warranty is not valid.
How can i downgrade my phone back to WM5?
Depending on your country/network, you may find an original WM5 rom on Wiki... this problem have ocurred a few times already, so do some searching... there's other threads out there on the subject already
search first then ask
PLZ search first then ask. Several times members discuss this issue.
READ and READ all about downgrade 2 WM5
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=26
good luck
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
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My "second" warning? You mean you're cross-posting between threads like a n00b? Come on, actually engage your BRAIN before you post this type of drivel.
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I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
fair thread plz
LegolasTheElf said:
You have posted this same question in TWO THREADS! Quit being such a ****wit and actually SEARCH and READ!!!
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Hi LegolasTheElf
If u mean me u r right, but not exact the same question.
Any how this thread for me is learning & updating my knowledge.
I learned me & just wane share my experience with another friends.
Thanx for your very nice word choice
I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
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I think members like Lego think they're doing people a favour by making such comments and that people will agree or praise them for their intervention, but as a member previously stated; it's more irritating and forum ban worthy than newbies just not bothering to search.
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Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
All i want to say is thaT the guy who sent of his phone for repair with Wm6 on it, is an idiot. It wouldnt surprise me if M$ went after you. And as far as legolas i dont think he's that bad. Maybe the way hes acting will deter noobs away and prevent them from posting useless threads and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
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and force them to start using the search button more often. . But anyways hope everyone is having an awesome day
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Hi dev
He answered me by this kind of words and heard me cos I just said “search then ask” #3
So I don’t know what’s wrong with this. NOW CALM DOWN and just go on friends
What the heck is this place coming to?
basilrsa said:
If you can't control your language stay off the Forum.
The The Trailer Park or the Jerry Springfield show is where that talk belongs - not here.
This is my second warning to you.
You constant barrage of swearing is more irritating than the Noob's stupid questions.
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
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Odd, a quick scan of your 16 posts reveals that you've called people idiots, laughed at them, and a few other niceties. It's so nice to know that the people throwing stones at me at so pure of heart themselves.
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Err... I called one person an idiot for making a joke which I thought was funny. The other posts were about people like you. Quit whining.
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I brought my Legolas secret decoder ring today... and what lego really meant to say is this " Your right, my language was offensive and i apologize, i would like to hop the first plane so that we can kiss make up!"
@lego.. play nice or i will edit your post's again i didnt do it this time but its a warning.. im watching you...
Now play nice people or dont play at all.... If you see a post that you feel is not intelligent or the OP didnt bother to search, then simply dont reply... IF no one replies it will force the OP to search for their answer...
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
@pvs - Thanks
@devius- A foul mouther never solved a problem
@MrSmith - Agreed
NOW LET'S STICK TO THE RULES OF COMMON DECENCY
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
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Good. I agree. The n00bs should leave, and you with them. Go to HoFo or some other dumb site where everyone can have a great love-in and chat about all the different ways you can change your wallpaper, and how the Telco's charge you to change the wallpaper, because, well, it must be true because they sell it themselves online!
I'm not interested in group-think and silliness like this. The true thinkers understand the issue. All the little sheep on here that can't see past the drivel that's been force-fed to them by the state, the church, or whatever the hell nonsense you're believing, don't see it as an issue. They also don't see their actions as selfless. No, not selfless in the common sense. But in the sense that they have lost their sense of self. It's no longer decent for me to attack them, but it is decent for them to waste everyone's time by not searching themselves.
Everyone on here that is screaming that I and others like me are doing something wrong, while essentially condoning the actions of those who have no respect for anyone else, have got it wrong. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that you, the whining masses, telling me that I am doing something wrong, are the victims here. Victimized not by me or the noobs, but, by the very nature of society that says that it is better to be polite than to be honest. That it is far more valuable to be a sheep than a leader. Take a few seconds to think about what I'm writing, not merely to dismiss it. You'll see I'm right. You may disagree with the method, but, you can't disagree with the opinion.
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Thanks Shogunmark,
I really think it's time for an overhaul of this Forum.
This Forum should be representative of decent individuals who know how to behave.
Should the Moderators not start taking strict control of the postings on the various threads, XDA-Developers will loose credibility and become a circus.
Stupid questions must simply be removed and misbehavers banned.
I for one would not like to be associated with the kind of behaviour that certain senior members display.
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Or you COULD do what I've begun doing. The forums have a neat feature called an "Ignore List". Mine currently has three individuals who have earned acceptance status, and yes, a couple of them are sadly regular contributors and senior members.
I also boycott their threads, and thus, I rarely see any of their posts. The only time it happens is when somebody Quotes their childish vitriol in his/her own posts.
Shogunmark has the best solution to the underlying problem, though. Simply DON'T ANSWER any ridiculous posts that show no-effort on the part of the poster. If you ignore something, it tends to go away. But any response (even a negative one) tends to be a positive reinforcer for the behavior you're trying to reduce.
At any rate, bringing the entire forum's professionalism down by showing how many four-letter words your can string into a sentence is not the solution. But as the members who practice this are limited in number and predictable, the Ignore Lists work a treat.
-pvs
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Thank you, basilrsa. Hope there's a substantial 3-strike penalty.
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I agree. Definately. The third useless and irrelevant post made by a n00b on the same question should result in a ban.
Legolas,
You are right, the true thinkers do understand the issue. There are two issues though...the n00b questions and the pompous, intellectual snobs such as yourself who regularly ignore simple courtesies. If I wanted what is essentially verbal abuse, I'd go visit my in-laws.
I don't think anyone wants MORE n00b/repeated/irrelevent questions, but your delivery kills the message.
It's not better to be polite or honest but last time I checked, the two are not mutually exclusive.
request to mods/admins
please,please,please
I GET SICK WHEN I SEE THE GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD
the general discussion is full of LG,Samsung,Sony-Ericsson threads and posts about roms,apps,whole bunch of stuff which we don't support because they aren't htc
some guys/girls asked for separated threads for those listed above,but they didn't get them because they aren't htc products
and now they are clearly allowed to post about those devices in general discussion
(because you don't stop them)
so when we look it in technical way...it is spamming,as talking about cars,pc's, estates is
in general or any other thread (except for off topic thread)
PLEASE STOP THIS by removing those threads or by giving them a section,either ways let's keep the forum clean and cool....and easy to use and navigate
the third option is to give us shovels to dig our way out of omnias,i780-s,x-perias and whole bunch of crap
please think about this and let's do something
thanks
faruk
Off-Topic is the Apropos Place for this.
Ultimately though, General is a good place for non-HTC products. Most people stay within their own section.
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Off-Topic is the Apropos Place for this.
Ultimately though, General is a good place for non-HTC products. Most people stay within their own section.
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well we aren't windows mobile developers,at least it's not our name...we aren't support for wm devices,but for htc,as it's said in the welcome screen nad short "site about"
Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
We hope that you will enjoy this site and find it as useful as we do. We encourage you to donate or otherwise support this site. Of course absolutely all proceeds from donations will benefit this community.
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and samsung is not htc so the place for them is off topic
farukb said:
well we aren't windows mobile developers,at least it's not our name...
and samsung is not htc
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Oh I know. If you look back at all the non-Htc Subforum request threads you will see me telling people no. But They still seem to think General is ok. I don't know what Admin's stand on this is.
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Oh I know. If you look back at all the non-Htc Subforum request threads you will see me telling people no. But They still seem to think General is ok. I don't know what Admin's stand on this is.
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that is my point,i also say no, but they keep posting...but one moment i saw general full of non-htc crap and i got really pissed off
hateful child....
just kidding.
i think it's ignorant and somewhat elitist to completely deny non-HTC devices service here. We do have a forum for the XDA atom, which was NOT made by HTC. It was, however, carried by XDA. The world isn't static, and it's ignorant to say that the internet isn't either. We've opened forums for even the least used HTC devices, so we should definitely consider giving non-htc devices their own forums, especially given the number of people who have them.
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hateful child....
just kidding.
i think it's ignorant and somewhat elitist to completely deny non-HTC devices service here. We do have a forum for the XDA atom, which was NOT made by HTC. It was, however, carried by XDA. The world isn't static, and it's ignorant to say that the internet isn't either. We've opened forums for even the least used HTC devices, so we should definitely consider giving non-htc devices their own forums, especially given the number of people who have them.
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personally,i'd give them their sections,and i wouldn't mind to have omnia,but the general thread thing bugs me...if you know what i mean
well, you know....
to quote some inexplicably famous guy "the best place to find order is in disorder"
fzzyrn said:
well, you know....
to quote some inexplicably famous guy "the best place to find order is in disorder"
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????self-quoter
caught me!
i guess this means that i'm inexplicably famous.
fzzyrn said:
caught me!
i guess this means that i'm inexplicably famous.
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...no...
i only saw your signature...doh!
haha i keep trying to get one of the mods to say it so people don't present that reaction to me.
hint hint wink wink
anyone...please....the situation is getting bad really bad
admin opinion:
I have no issues whatsoever with the thread but I agree that off-topic might be a better place. Though this forum is for HTC made devices it doesn't stop us of discussing any other trivial matter as long as it's in the right section (whether that be the best brand of coffee, the speed of our dsl line, the color of my avatar or a different device)
We will not at any moment open forums for non htc made devices on this forum, it would open the floodgates for way too many devices and make this forum too general and unmanageble.
Best regards,
Flar
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admin opinion:
I have no issues whatsoever with the thread but I agree that off-topic might be a better place. Though this forum is for HTC made devices it doesn't stop us of discussing any other trivial matter as long as it's in the right section (whether that be the best brand of coffee, the speed of our dsl line, the color of my avatar or a different device)
We will not at any moment open forums for non htc made devices on this forum, it would open the floodgates for way too many devices and make this forum too general and unmanageble.
Best regards,
Flar
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i totally agree with you
i am a htc user so i don't have problems with the forum
but as an admin you could do something to prevent general development or any other thread being full of "off topics"
mods don't clean it up,go now and you will see more non-htc threads than eg. application development threads
and that drives me crazy
quote from my first post
and now they are clearly allowed to post about those devices in general discussion
(because you don't stop them)
so when we look it in technical way...it is spamming,as talking about cars,pc's, estates is
in general or any other thread (except for off topic thread)
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farukb said:
i totally agree with you
i am a htc user so i don't have problems with the forum
but as an admin you could do something to prevent general development or any other thread being full of "off topics"
mods don't clean it up,go now and you will see more non-htc threads than eg. application development threads
and that drives me crazy
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Unfortunately the life of a mod can be overwhelming at times, we can't be everywhere all the time. If you have a problem with a thread and want to bring it to our attention, you could send a PM.
We will evaluate the options and take the action we feel is best.
farukb said:
i totally agree with you
i am a htc user so i don't have problems with the forum
but as an admin you could do something to prevent general development or any other thread being full of "off topics"
mods don't clean it up,go now and you will see more non-htc threads than eg. application development threads
and that drives me crazy
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As jimmy says mods do have their own lives and can't be everywhere all the time, it helps if you help point out stuff like this.
Consider the fact that some of our mods spend up to 14 hours per day here, most of that time spent moderating...
Also consider this is vacation season and for a lot of the mods (and users) this time of day is the time you start thinking about going to bed, with mods being on vacation all of us have a hard time coping with all the mod work as it is, a bit of patience will get you a long way.
Best regards,
Flar
Flar said:
As jimmy says mods do have their own lives and can't be everywhere all the time, it helps if you help point out stuff like this.
Consider the fact that some of our mods spend up to 14 hours per day here, most of that time spent moderating...
Also consider this is vacation season and for a lot of the mods (and users) this time of day is the time you start thinking about going to bed, with mods being on vacation all of us have a hard time coping with all the mod work as it is, a bit of patience will get you a long way.
Best regards,
Flar
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yes i know that and i fully appreciate it,they are people too
but there is a dozen of mods,not only one
i'm not rushing anyone,just asked everyone to consider it
this thread is almost a month old (7-25-08) so it won't make a difference now or next week or whenever
thanks again for your patience and dealing with some sometimes pissed off guys
i'll help,make your job easier
i'm starting to provide links of all non-htc threads in a new "report non-htc" thread
so someone could just delete them,without searching and reading the whole forum
is it ok with you?
thanks
By delete, you mean move to Off Topic?
Also, if this is the desired plan, should the General forum have a annoucment, and maybe change the description, informing users of this?
Oh and BTW, I have PM'd Meniesys about making a Roll up Sticky for all his guides, he said he is looking into it
Ta
Dave
I have no idea if this is even possible in vBulletin. I tried to google but didn't come up with anything so it might not be... but I figured I would make my case anyways.
It would be awesome if a senior member was capable of moderating their own thread. I know that as a rom developer for the cdma hero and a kitchen programmer, a thread can VERY quickly get out of control. It makes it impossible for someone that hasn't checked the thread in a few days (or hours) to find anything.
I think rather than asking a mod to take time out of their day to try and clean up posts isn't nice to them either.
So I'll ask... is it possible to add a feature for a senior member to be able to moderate a thread that they are the OP on. If it is but xda doesn't want to do that, what are the negative side effects that I'm not seeing? I figure if you are able to limit it to senior member and to their own threads then any shenanigans from this new power would mostly be avoided.
Thanks all!
This has been mentioned before. AFAIK, we have not yet found such a plugin.
Thanks,
Dave
The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
It does seem like a good idea, I think though, that some people would delete their posts that offend and then they can claim that they never said anything. This would have to be very carefully thought out and planned if this is possible to implement, because I know some people would use it for bad purposes.
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The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
It does seem like a good idea, I think though, that some people would delete their posts that offend and then they can claim that they never said anything. This would have to be very carefully thought out and planned if this is possible to implement, because I know some people would use it for bad purposes.
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What the OP is asking for is the equivalent of being able to throw someone in jail while that someone is in your house doing something that you believe shouldn't be done in the first place.
I think Uncle Ben said it better... "with great power, comes great responsibility"... and I don't believe that half the Senior members in this site are ready for that .
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What the OP is asking for is the equivalent of being able to throw someone in jail while that someone is in your house doing something that you believe shouldn't be done in the first place.
I think Uncle Ben said it better... "with great power, comes great responsibility"... and I don't believe that half the Senior members in this site are ready for that .
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Yeah, thats why I said its not a good idea.
You can already help the moderators by reporting anybad conduct, it makes it easier since all they have to do is look at the post and edit it or delete it or ban.
~~Tito~~ said:
The only negative side is that, "Senior Member" is just a title, I think you get it after like 100 posts? If this was to be implemented it should be like 500 posts to become Senior Member.
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Very agree!!
or even 1000
orb3000 said:
Very agree!!
or even 1000
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Yeah, or maybe like a automated PM that makes you submit a small paragraph asking certian questions and stuff. Respected people get it faster, newer unknown people take longer to get the status.
orb3000 said:
Very agree!!
or even 1000
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+1
I have to agree, Even though I am below 1000...lol
I look at is as a maturity process!
1-100 See if you wanna stick around and learn...
101-500 Learn how to work with others, learn basics or what path you wanna purse....apps, themes, cooking etc...
501-1000 Work with Old time members, get involved in projects, help noobs....learn how to ignore fights/flamers!
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I have to agree, Even though I am below 1000...lol
I look at is as a maturity process!
1-100 See if you wanna stick around and learn...
101-500 Learn how to work with others, learn basics or what path you wanna purse....apps, themes, cooking etc...
501-1000 Work with Old time members, get involved in projects, help noobs....learn how to ignore fights/flamers!
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1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
orb3000 said:
1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
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8000+ = Orb3000 .
orb3000 said:
1001 and up: You have serious problems, like ORD
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I am an early bloomer and already there with ORD...
Life is tough...lol...
But I dont really have a problem I just......wait is that the HTC Incredible being released......lol
Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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Yes it would. I think this should be more of a granted title, not earned, because some people still dont really act like it lol.
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Yep, a 1,000 would definately narrow down the senior field
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I agree, I was miffed that i got the title after only 100 posts, it's like who cares. Now 1000 would be much nicer, even though i'm only 5th of the way there
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8000+ = Orb3000 .
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8000+ still a noob
So it seems that everyone agrees, just with the caveat that the "senior member" should be a higher number of posts. Or possibly even a second level at 500 or 1000 posts, and THAT'S the level you have to hit in order to be able to moderate your own posts.
I actually tried to go post on vBulletin's support forum but it appears that you need to buy support in order to even be able to create a new post there? Kind of crazy. Ha. I'll keep looking to see if I can find a plugin, because without it this doesn't even exist as an option.
Thanks for the feedback all.
Edit: I don't know enough about vB's settings but according to ChopSuey (a vB coder) this should already be possible: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1919340&postcount=11. What he says makes it sounds like that would allow someone to modify any thread, and not their own. But you would think a coder of the app would know. Ha. Maybe it requires version 4.x? I know xda has been talking about upgrading for a while.
We're looking for a way in vB to allow certain people (of a given usergroup) to moderate their own threads. If anyone finds a way, please let me know!
it wouldn't do to simply count posts
there's users having an amazing amount of redundancy, repetition and even irrelevance (chat like) accumulating their post counts that wouldn't be considered with this method alone
the title (if differentiated more fine grained than junior, member, senior) would only be meaningful if it was combined with e.g. a user rating (reputation), derived from other users
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it wouldn't do to simply count posts
there's users having an amazing amount of redundancy, repetition and even irrelevance (chat like) accumulating their post counts that wouldn't be considered with this method alone
the title (if differentiated more fine grained than junior, member, senior) would only be meaningful if it was combined with e.g. a user rating (reputation), derived from other users
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That would require members to rate other members and even though the ability to do that exists (at least for threads), hardly anyone does it.
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orb is so deep into ORD that his can be considered a chronic case of ORD (and not because of # of posts)
Hi my name is John and im from Sweden.. i wonder if i could be an moderator of some sort ?
If so what can i help with ?
Im willing on helping but it depends on whats open for me.
Sinserley From John in Sweden
Applications for moderator are currently closed, but if you are interested go here and read everything all the way down to the bottom.
No offense dude, but you can't just join a forum, make 30 posts and ask to be moderator of a site for 4.5 million users.
Product F(RED) said:
No offense dude, but you can't just join a forum, make 30 posts and ask to be moderator of a site for 4.5 million users.
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I totally agree. Even if applications were open to become a moderator, I wouldn't even think about applying simply because I've only been here a few months and know that I wouldn't get accepted.
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I totally agree. Even if applications were open to become a moderator, I wouldn't even think about applying simply because I've only been here a few months and know that I wouldn't get accepted.
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I mean, if you've been helpful by all means apply. But it's really hard to judge the quality of someone's posts by just 30 of them. People joining to become mods is common with very small forums where the admin will put up a thread saying, "APPLY HERE TO BE A MOD" to attract users. But not on a site like this. This is the most professional (by size and internet standing) forum I've been a part of. Personally, I have moderator experience but I wouldn't bother applying because I have a tendency to not sugar-coat things when a person is wrong. I'm calm and concise but for example, I have absolutely no patience for Marketplace scammers.
But anyways, I digress. Before you think of applying for a moderator position, make sure you have posts to back it up. And if you feel the need to post differently than you normally would just to become a moderator, don't bother applying because you can be demoted if you abuse your powers and talk down to people.
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I mean, if you've been helpful by all means apply. But it's really hard to judge the quality of someone's posts by just 30 of them. People joining to become mods is common with very small forums where the admin will put up a thread saying, "APPLY HERE TO BE A MOD" to attract users. But not on a site like this. This is the most professional (by size and internet standing) forum I've been a part of. Personally, I have moderator experience but I wouldn't bother applying because I have a tendency to not sugar-coat things when a person is wrong. I'm calm and concise but for example, I have absolutely no patience for Marketplace scammers.
But anyways, I digress. Before you think of applying for a moderator position, make sure you have posts to back it up. And if you feel the need to post differently than you normally would just to become a moderator, don't bother applying because you can be demoted if you abuse your powers and talk down to people.
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Yeah definitely. I totally agree, especially with the bit I've bolded. Even if I felt, at a later stage, that I was ready to apply for said position, I probably wouldn't be approved anyway. But to be perfectly honest, I'm more than happy just to be able to be a part of this great community and obviously I'll always continue to help out others when I can, regardless.
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From experience, being a mod is cool at first, but having to deal with tons of reported posts becomes tedious. You would think being a moderator is better than being a regular user, but the truth is moderators are restricted in what they can say and what they can do. So I can call another user a douchebag, but if a moderator did that he'd put his position in danger. I can sell in the Marketplace, but a moderator (I think) can not.
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This
I've been a moderator on sevel forums, some only had few hundren people and couple had several hundred thousand...
Its a thankless job and dealing with some members can get to be a nightmare...
Oh the horror stories I could share..
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tl;dr: It's my rant over what xda is today.
I've been a user of this site for a some time now (well not that long either but since winmo 5.0 days). A lot of things i know today are solely due to XDA. It was a fantastic place to meet helpful and knowledgeable people and learn new things then.
However, as of late, XDA is attracting a lot of average joe(s) who would normally be busy in their life but come here to get the most out of their phones. As a result this site has been turned into something full of senseless/unecessary posts. Posts which are full of ETA/feature demands and what not (I've even read people having personal discussions in a kernel thread and then flame on people who report them though I am not aware of what followed that). Most users demand something from their own point of view instead of looking at the collective impact of a certain feature. As of recently, i wanted to look at some code that had been published here on xda, and as usual i did a forum search.. Result ? I was bombarded with enough senseless crap to make me quit my attempts and start from scratch. Maybe my search terms would have been a bit off but considering the amount of such unhelpful posts makes me think about the usefulness of this site today compared to the irc chat rooms which are still a bit less frequented by such people.
I am watching as developers that have contributed so much to this site be treated with little or no respect until they don't even want to be a part of XDA anymore. I am seeing new members being scared off by rude "senior" members. Overall, more and more people are wanting to distance themselves from XDA, Though I totally understand how newbs get on the nerves asking stuff repeatedly, not searching the forums before posting, creating posts in the wrong forum, asking for eta, development requests etc and even more so since i compiled my first android rom and decided i should share it here. I personally see this stemming from the fact that users are expecting far too much. Everyone feels entitled to everything, on their own terms instead of being happy with what they have. Another part of the story is that these users are the ones who help us find bugs and issues in our code but sadly the number of such users is quite small compared to "XYZ NOT WORKING, FIX IT. INCLUDE ABC IN THIS". There is much more I could say, but I think the main points are made and you can fill in the blanks. I'm sure XDA is not alone, here is a true gem i found on google plus from one of the gimp developers.
Well, let me give you a perspective of a GIMP team member.
All the great free end-user software projects I can think of became great, because developers were communicating to users who thought along the same lines.
And it's the best way to work on a project, because you keep interacting with people and improving your work, while still belonging to yourself.
What happens when you let democracy in? Ugly mess. Suddenly people start treating you like you owe to them and should bow to their wishes.
— Hey developer, I used to use X application on Windows. I want the Y feature to be like in that app. What do you mean, it's supposed to work differently? Well, make it an option, you idiot.
— Hey developer, there is this app for Mac that's a bit like your app, except it's for a different target group, different use cases and different task applications. But I want one of its tools implemented verbatim anyway. And I want it now. Not going to? Well, I'm a user, and you should be listening to me!
That's just bull****. Please keep your democracy to yourself.
If you want some free software to change, learn to encourage, learn to make well-fitted proposals that make sense, learn to understand design decisions, but also learn to accept that the developer is the one who has the final saying, because (s)he's the one who's responsible, not you.
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Here's an anonymous quote from one of such incidents, On one of a quite famous software threads here, the developer was inactive or rather busy with other projects and "life" (Even though he has been keeping up to date via twitter with pics of the update and is of course present on irc channels). And as we expected there were ETA demands, and then this
Someone must be dumb to believe those 2 words.
I say, it will not be released.. it's been +/- than 2 years now.. i got my screen shattered and usb broken.. keep waiting guys
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We can certainly not blame the site admins or the mods, though i do hope to see better management for the development sub-forums (even after iron fist). I hope to see XDA become a community again which it once was, where users help one another, don't expect everything to be tailored to them specifically, and share a bit of both gratitude and empathy.
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I haven't been a member here until recently, but i do appreciate and understand what you're saying. It's been an issue lately. But in fairness to the mods (here in ot and my home forum) they have been very responsive in terms of identifying those people who abuse their, shall we say, democracy. The mods have been extremely helpful and easily accessible imho. I just wish other new members like me understand what xda is about and adapt to it. As we all know, veteran members and admins/mods can only do so much...
Please give credit where credit is due..
If you can't even search how can I help you??
And I still don't understand why people still open these kinds of threads. Opening a thread and ranting over everything that's wrong with xda is just pointless. It's a public forum, it's bound to happen. That's just my stand. If Admins really wanted to fix this problem, then they'd be banning like crazy, and making the forum private, but they can't do that can they?
Not trolling, just my opinion on the issue.
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And I still don't understand why people still open these kinds of threads. Opening a thread and ranting over everything that's wrong with xda is just pointless. It's a public forum, it's bound to happen. That's just my stand.
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The purpose of this thread is to express my opinion just like your post does regarding such threads, this is what off topic is for, "everything else". I totally understand you but since a last few days i was in the same state of leaving or becoming inactive here solely due to such incidents and thought even if i do leave, i should leave a nice explanation what drove me to do that (though i seem to have changed my mind). Your opinion is always welcome.
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The purpose of this thread is to express my opinion just like your post does regarding such threads, this is what off topic is for, "everything else". I totally understand you but since a last few days i was in the same state of leaving or becoming inactive here solely due to such incidents and thought even if i do leave, i should leave a nice explanation what drove me to do that (though i seem to have changed my mind). Your opinion is always welcome.
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I completely understand, I was just giving my opinion.
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The purpose of this thread is to express my opinion just like your post does regarding such threads, this is what off topic is for, "everything else". I totally understand you but since a last few days i was in the same state of leaving or becoming inactive here solely due to such incidents and thought even if i do leave, i should leave a nice explanation what drove me to do that (though i seem to have changed my mind). Your opinion is always welcome.
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Well, technically this should go in "about xdadevelopers" so expect posts that you don't like here. This is off topic. It's what we do here
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The state of XDA is a reflection of the average android user. As adoption rates grow there will only be more average Joes coming here for help. And they want help now dammit!
I completely agree... Now registration should be on invite only basis
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Babydoll25 said:
Well, technically this should go in "about xdadevelopers" so expect posts that you don't like here. This is off topic. It's what we do here
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Hmm, "Anything not related to the phones" and off-topic looked more tempting than "about xda-developers" at first glance, though i agree i might have failed here.
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Well, technically this should go in "about xdadevelopers" so expect posts that you don't like here. This is off topic. It's what we do here
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Amen.
Now for my opinion on it all
Granted I haven't been on this site very long at all, but I'd been lurking and reading tons on here from early 2010-ish.
Whilst I agree with your point that this may not be the site it used to be, that's also a good thing.
It's showing progression and moving forward.
People who come to this site simply looking to make their phone "cool" and make it do what there friends' phones can't do, annoy each and every one of us at times. That's just something that we've got to deal with.
It's not as if this is the only site where people act like that. It's all based on the mentality of people in general.
There are those, who like us, don't just want to make our devices better, but want to actually learn how it's all done and what makes android, as a whole, work.
But there will always be those who don't care about the journey, as they just want to reach the destination.
And even though there are a ton of the latter around, creating a thread to say that the site's gone downhill because of these people, won't help in the slightest. And considering leaving this site just because of a few dicks? Leave them to it. They'll soon be shown the door if they consistently can't stick to the forum rules.
There's no sense in feeling like you have to leave or others have had to leave because of these people.
Obviously I'm not saying you can't voice your opinion, but there are better ways of doing it to be honest.
But having said that, I respect your opinion
As this thread is "about xda developers", as mentioned above that would be the correct forum for this discussion so I'll move it there.
I completely agree with the Op...
Haven't been around long, but was always fascinated with technology and had a certain respect for those who made possible the things I thought wouldn't be possibly done...
I've heard plenty about the good ole XDA, of how devs used to work with harmony, how they worked because THEY themselves wanted to...and not because of "helppp, my wifi broke, plz fix asap"...
But my bad luck, I wasn't there to witness any of it...
Well the mods and admins know of this issue, and there's only so much one could do to solve it...
Apart from making XDA invite only, and GTFO'ing every noob already present, there seems to be no practical reason that I can think of...
There have been other rather innovative attempts at tackling this noob problem; (as that's what seems to be the root cause of this problem);
Some say we should raise the 10 post limit, some say we put tests/checks to make sure new users understand the purpose of XDA, some say we do aptitude tests to classify users as "devs" and "non devs" and some say to educate everyone already present and yet to come...
I say that we could all of this and still be left wondering what possibly could be done...
You see, part of this problem comes from human nature...
Everyone wants the most utility from the least effort...
They want the best, but aren't ready to give their best...
As smartphones become more and more common & more and more "smart", the people get lazier and dumber...
There is no possible humane approach to making people work for their own self...
You could help them out, point them in the right direction...but for every one person that you help out, there'd be 10 standing with the same problem expecting a personalized response...
I frankly found no solution to end this "I'm your boss, answer me coz you owe me" behaviour...
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Rick_1995 said:
tl;dr: It's my rant over what xda is today.
I've been a user of this site for a some time now (well not that long either but since winmo 5.0 days). A lot of things i know today are solely due to XDA. It was a fantastic place to meet helpful and knowledgeable people and learn new things then.
However, as of late, XDA is attracting a lot of average joe(s) who would normally be busy in their life but come here to get the most out of their phones. As a result this site has been turned into something full of senseless/unecessary posts. Posts which are full of ETA/feature demands and what not (I've even read people having personal discussions in a kernel thread and then flame on people who report them though I am not aware of what followed that). Most users demand something from their own point of view instead of looking at the collective impact of a certain feature. As of recently, i wanted to look at some code that had been published here on xda, and as usual i did a forum search.. Result ? I was bombarded with enough senseless crap to make me quit my attempts and start from scratch. Maybe my search terms would have been a bit off but considering the amount of such unhelpful posts makes me think about the usefulness of this site today compared to the irc chat rooms which are still a bit less frequented by such people.
I am watching as developers that have contributed so much to this site be treated with little or no respect until they don't even want to be a part of XDA anymore. I am seeing new members being scared off by rude "senior" members. Overall, more and more people are wanting to distance themselves from XDA, Though I totally understand how newbs get on the nerves asking stuff repeatedly, not searching the forums before posting, creating posts in the wrong forum, asking for eta, development requests etc and even more so since i compiled my first android rom and decided i should share it here. I personally see this stemming from the fact that users are expecting far too much. Everyone feels entitled to everything, on their own terms instead of being happy with what they have. Another part of the story is that these users are the ones who help us find bugs and issues in our code but sadly the number of such users is quite small compared to "XYZ NOT WORKING, FIX IT. INCLUDE ABC IN THIS". There is much more I could say, but I think the main points are made and you can fill in the blanks. I'm sure XDA is not alone, here is a true gem i found on google plus from one of the gimp developers.
Here's an anonymous quote from one of such incidents, On one of a quite famous software threads here, the developer was inactive or rather busy with other projects and "life" (Even though he has been keeping up to date via twitter with pics of the update and is of course present on irc channels). And as we expected there were ETA demands, and then this
We can certainly not blame the site admins or the mods, though i do hope to see better management for the development sub-forums (even after iron fist). I hope to see XDA become a community again which it once was, where users help one another, don't expect everything to be tailored to them specifically, and share a bit of both gratitude and empathy.
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I couldn't agree with you enough. I'm absolutely sick of all the hate mail that I get saying stuff like "xyz doesn't work u suck" and "hurry up and add abc to this!".
Seriously, many of the members here are complete a$$e$ that don't give a crap about the work devs do and just want the best for their phone. And if something doesnt work or a feature is not added yet, they start complaining and flaming devs. One of the great dev teams for my phone actually stopped development because of all the hate mail and ungrateful members who complained about their work. On Twitter a person even told the team "you should be embarrassed as dev team" when he asked a question that was answered at least 15 times!
I really hope that the spirit of collaborating and learning comes back to xda....
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I frankly found no solution to end this "I'm your boss, answer me coz you owe me" behaviour...
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I wonder why doesn't the thread owner get (limited) moderator rights in his own thread, that would make the job easy at least for development forums, In some low activity devices, we hardly see a mod ever come to clean things up so this would be lot helpful and since this power is limited to development sub forums, it probably won't be abused that much by the new guys hopefully, though i haven't thought of any draw backs in this model but it sure does sound good.
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I wonder why doesn't the thread owner get (limited) moderator rights in his own thread, that would make the job easy at least for development forums, In some low activity devices, we hardly see a mod ever come to clean things up so this would be lot helpful and since this power is limited to development sub forums, it probably won't be abused that much by the new guys hopefully, though i haven't thought of any draw backs in this model but it sure does sound good.
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The mods have said before, and I don't think that their answer will change...mod rights shall not be given to any user, whether limited or unlimited...
Rd's get rights to close their own threads, while Rc's have such rights only in Rc Chat, and not anywhere else...
Idk about Rd's, but they have turned down our request for the same...
If you need thread maintainence/cleanup, the only option is to report a post, and request cleanup...
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Rick_1995 said:
I wonder why doesn't the thread owner get (limited) moderator rights in his own thread, that would make the job easy at least for development forums, In some low activity devices, we hardly see a mod ever come to clean things up so this would be lot helpful and since this power is limited to development sub forums, it probably won't be abused that much by the new guys hopefully, though i haven't thought of any draw backs in this model but it sure does sound good.
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This is what the report button is for. If you see something anywhere on the site that you think needs attention, hit that button! Please let us know. We can't be everywhere. The Forum Specific Mod that's assigned to that forum will respond. That's what we're here for, but you guys, you're our eyes, too. If we all work together we can get those little fires under control to prevent the big forest fire
I do know that the report function has been removed from the app. In that case, it takes only moments to switch to the web view and use the report function from there. It wasn't my decision to remove that function, however, a new system is being developed for the app and the functionality will be restored with a future version.
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This is what the report button is for. If you see something anywhere on the site that you think needs attention, hit that button! Please let us know. We can't be everywhere. The Forum Specific Mod that's assigned to that forum will respond. That's what we're here for, but you guys, you're our eyes, too. If we all work together we can get those little fires under control to prevent the big forest fire
I do know that the report function has been removed from the app. In that case, it takes only moments to switch to the web view and use the report function from there. It wasn't my decision to remove that function, however, a new system is being developed for the app and the functionality will be restored with a future version.
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Yes, The report button is indeed helpful but in low activity forums mods are very infrequent, and in high activity forums, it's near to impossible for them to clean threads also reporting multiple posts in a single thread is a tedious issue.
Rick_1995 said:
Yes, The report button is indeed helpful but in low activity forums mods are very infrequent, and in high activity forums, it's near to impossible for them to clean threads also reporting multiple posts in a single thread is a tedious issue.
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This shouldn't be the case, all reports should be actioned in a timely manner irrespective of the forums activity level. If you feel a report has gone unactioned for too long (give us at least 24-48hrs ) then either contact the appropriate forum moderator directly or a senior.
As for reporting multiple posts, to put it simply, don't. Just report and mention that some cleaning may be required.
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I'm agreeing with all whats posted here. And it's driving me crazy too.
I hope I made a statement in my forum (see here).
I hope there will come a solution for this "problem" as forums are getting filled with crap a lot.
Reporting isn't an option, useless posts are created faster then the speed of sound
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I'm agreeing with all whats posted here. And it's driving me crazy too.
I hope I made a statement in my forum (see here).
I hope there will come a solution for this "problem" as forums are getting filled with crap a lot.
Reporting isn't an option, useless posts are created faster then the speed of sound
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I can assure you, reporting posts IS the answer. Well, part of it anyway....
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