way to have apps to sd besides SM? - Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II

does anyone have a more stable way to install apps to the SD besides script manager? that works horribly for me

Try the link 2 sd.
But you may create a partition in your sd card first before you can use it though.
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hmm ill try it because the scripts randomly worked on boot, randomly stopped working, the camera went haywire ugh to many problems

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chessx said:
hmm ill try it because the scripts randomly worked on boot, randomly stopped working, the camera went haywire ugh to many problems
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Your phone? What is it? I can provide you links on how to make a partition in your sd card, though system apps has it exception
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chessx said:
does anyone have a more stable way to install apps to the SD besides script manager? that works horribly for me
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I never had an issue are you sure you setted it to su and boot?
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FolderMount works good.

Whats the difference between link2sd and foldermount?
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d12unk13astard said:
Whats the difference between link2sd and foldermount?
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I haven't used link2sd much but from a quick glance, it looks like link2sd will move app and its cache to the sd card. FolderMount on the other hand will create symbolic links (I think I am correct here if not correct me) to your SD Card. So if you want to move say a gameloft game where it has 2gb of game files on your phone to your sd you can do that with FolderMount.

I use a zip file flashed in recovery that swaps internal and external sd. I think Its called internalsd2externalsd.zip
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chessx said:
does anyone have a more stable way to install apps to the SD besides script manager? that works horribly for me
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a lot will depend on what ROM you're running. As you've seen, there is quite some variance in the answers given.
slightly generic, if you're on a Android 4.2, your options are going to be limited. You can try foldermount. The developer is pretty active in maintaining the app. You can try a script some developed; I've seen it in the directory mount thread, but that may be just to use directory mount in 4.2.
if you're on 4.1, you have quite a few opitons--FolderMount, Directory Bind, scripts changing the SDcard to the internal memory, etc.

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[Q] Galaxy W internal and external sd card question

Hello,
I have a galaxy SL, and my brother is going to get a galaxy W.
In SL there is a non removable internal sd card(small), and I can add external sd card.
The main problem with this configuration is that with normal phone without rooting, I can only move the applications to internal sd card(small) using different apps or from settings screen, but I can not move the applications to the external sd card.
Does galaxy w has the same problematic configuration?
Best Regards,
Abdalla
Hi there..
In my experience, the opposite is the case.
Apps can be moved, using Android native manual Apps2SD or the Auto GUI App2SD, free from Market.
Apps can only be moved to External SD card......Internal USB/Storage is for Data, Music, Pics, etc.
Phone Memory for Apps is quite big, 1G, so it will take a while to fill this with Apps.
However, some ROMs have utilized a memory mount point swap, which can be useful if you want to use Internal USB/SD for apps!!!
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nihongasukidesu said:
Hello,
I have a galaxy SL, and my brother is going to get a galaxy W.
In SL there is a non removable internal sd card(small), and I can add external sd card.
The main problem with this configuration is that with normal phone without rooting, I can only move the applications to internal sd card(small) using different apps or from settings screen, but I can not move the applications to the external sd card.
Does galaxy w has the same problematic configuration?
Best Regards,
Abdalla
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I use link2sd but first you have to make partition using minitool partition..
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stpdkid said:
I use link2sd but first you have to make partition using minitool partition..
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That's a good app OK....you can use FAT32 partition AFAIK
but I remember it was used before Froyo gave the ability to move Apps to SD....which is improved now with GB.....and when ICS comes there will be moving to any Storage..
It has the ability to force move Apps which are not designed to be moved....sometimes for good reasons!!
When I had a ZTE Blade I also used Dark Tremors A2SD.....which moved Apps and Dalvik, etc to sd-ext 1G. partition.....
but I don't think it works on this phone.
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irishpancake said:
That's a good app OK....you can use FAT32 partition AFAIK
but I remember it was used before Froyo gave the ability to move Apps to SD....which is improved now with GB.....and when ICS comes there will be moving to any Storage..
It has the ability to force move Apps which are not designed to be moved....sometimes for good reasons!!
When I had a ZTE Blade I also used Dark Tremors A2SD.....which moved Apps and Dalvik, etc to sd-ext 1G. partition.....
but I don't think it works on this phone.
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yepp..use fat32.
last time I use it, it works but everytime I restart my wonder some apps can't open(apps that.i link), but it will be opened only if you reboot from link2sd..
yes it will force move apps but we can uncheck the re-link or unlink so the apps still in the internal,..for me, I used to install apps that not designed to be move first, and then install link2sd..
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Thank you for your replies
From my understanding from irishpancake reply, there is no need of swapping storages or external apps to move the application (that support move2sd feature) to the external sd card, which is great.
I had to swap mount points for my galaxy SL to do the same thing, but my brother is not into rooting/hacking stuff.
Thanks very much, and please correct me if I am wrong.
Don't forget App2SD App free from Market will notify you when movable App downloaded.....
https://market.android.com/details?id=mobi.infolife.app2sd
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stpdkid said:
I use link2sd but first you have to make partition using minitool partition..
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Hi there..
I'm confused.. Can anyone show the way how to do the partition step-by-step..
Besides, I'm glad to join ya'll..
nalee said:
Hi there..
I'm confused.. Can anyone show the way how to do the partition step-by-step..
Besides, I'm glad to join ya'll..
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Hey there "confused" nalee!!
First question: you wanna partition ur External SD for why??
Have you run out of space on phone Internal Memory for Apps??
Second question: Have you tried moving Apps to External SD using the native Apps2SD which we have??
It is easy peezy.....and you don't need to create partition on ur External SD. If you wanna make it easier again, why not try App2SD, free from Market, which will notify you when Apps can be moved.
Or Gemini App Manager, which has the same function, plus a whole lot more!!!!
But, if you just wanna try out partitioning your SD, take a look at Link2SD web page.....
http://www.link2sd.info/description
You will need to D/L Minitool Partition Manager, if you got Windoze, or GParted tool for Linux.
You take responsibility for your own phone, so if you Brick or damage, no blame to me or Link2SD..
OK...
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Well Irishpancake, that was helpful enough.. but does it mean that there's no way to link any file to apps which is save in External Sd..? You know how huge the games file are... It's Like every I wanna play the games, I have to move the file to Usb-Storage, then play the game.. Do I have to do this all the time...?
I'm sorry if I'm too not understand since I changed Smsg W from Smsg Ace..
Bytheway, thanks alot...
nalee said:
Well Irishpancake, that was helpful enough.. but does it mean that there's no way to link any file to apps which is save in External Sd..? You know how huge the games file are... It's Like every I wanna play the games, I have to move the file to Usb-Storage, then play the game.. Do I have to do this all the time...?
I'm sorry if I'm too not understand since I changed Smsg W from Smsg Ace..
Bytheway, thanks alot...
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There is a manual way on rooted phone~
if you can run "Terminal Emulator" app on the phone and rooted:
1) su <-- run command as root
2) mount -o bind /sdcard/external_sd/<your directory with data files> /sdcard/<empty directory that will be used by your app>
or you can try this app "Directory Bind"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410262&highlight=directory+bind
which actually do the same thing.
AdliHebat said:
There is a manual way on rooted phone~
if you can run "Terminal Emulator" app on the phone and rooted:
1) su <-- run command as root
2) mount -o bind /sdcard/external_sd/<your directory with data files> /sdcard/<empty directory that will be used by your app>
or you can try this app "Directory Bind"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410262&highlight=directory+bind
which actually do the same thing.
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I am do glad you answer that question!!!!
Coz I have no idea.....
that App looks very good.
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irishpancake said:
Don't forget App2SD App free from Market will notify you when movable App downloaded.....
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We have the phone now, but it is not like what I understood at all.
That is really a problem.
The app2sd has 3 tabs (on phone, on sd card, phone only)
The on sd card tab shows the small total 1.7 GB internal card, and there is no tab for the external 16 GB card.
Does it mean there is no easy way to move the applications to the big 16GB memory?
nihongasukidesu said:
We have the phone now, but it is not like what I understood at all.
That is really a problem.
The app2sd has 3 tabs (on phone, on sd card, phone only)
The on sd card tab shows the small total 1.7 GB internal card, and there is no tab for the external 16 GB card.
Does it mean there is no easy way to move the applications to the big 16GB memory?
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Abdalla friend......
The App2SD app is misreporting.....
It assumes /mnt/sdcard is the external SD.....
and reports what it finds!!!!
But, if you select any App shown in the "On Phone" tab.....
and then select "Move to SD card" Option......
Your App will go to External SD in the
/mnt/sdcard/external_sd/.android_secure folder!!!!
App2SD is simply executing the native Android GB Apps to SD.....
The only useful function this app has is to Notify when Downloaded App can be moved......ensure you enable this in settings.
The actual moving is done by the native system move Apps function!!!
So, I would advise if you are manually moving all Apps, there is a "Move All' function!!!!
Also, can I recommend Storage Analyzer app, free from Market....
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.levelokment.storageanalyser
It is the only app I know of which allows you to see what is on the .android_secure folder from your phone, without needing to mount on your PC or Laptop.
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irishpancake said:
Also, can I recommend Storage Analyzer app, free from Market....
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.levelokment.storageanalyser
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Thank you for this tip, it is very nice app, really, but too much FC in the latest version
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Thank you for this tip, it is very nice app, really, but too much FC in the latest version
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Never had a FC with Storage Analyzer.....
but perhaps it happens
I agree, it is a nice App.....
and very informative....
Thanx for ur thanx!!!!!
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Apps2sd is just moving the apps on SD card, but this SD card is just the usb storage only not the external sd card
irishpancake said:
Never had a FC with Storage Analyzer...
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For example use the three pattern button in the top right corner and try to show latest changes or about repeately.
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For example use the three pattern button in the top right corner and try to show latest changes or about repeately.
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You have found a bug.....
It will FC after display of "What's new" page......V 0.9.1.
It does happen, but normal app usage is OK, it does what it says it does......
I would report that bug to the Dev!!
I'd say it is easily fixed.
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pao9195 said:
Apps2sd is just moving the apps on SD card, but this SD card is just the usb storage only not the external sd card
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You are incorrect if you are talking about app App2SD.....
or even if you are talking about Android native Apps2SD.......
and you have normal memory Mount Points.....
not modified "vold.fstab" as in some custom ROM's....
If you can show otherwise It would be helpful!!!
BTW.....you should not give out information unless you know it is correct.....
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[Q] App2sd

Just got the Note2 coming from sprint s2.
I'm not yet rooted, so I installed app2sd, got a 32gb SanDisk.
When I open and try to move app (any app) to sdcard, there is no option to move app to sd.??
Do I have to be rooted, or sdcard not formatted correctly?
My storage does show my sdcard, and camera does snap into sd... So, I'm missing something... Do I have to be rooted to move apps to sd?
Make sure your sd is formated to fat32 instead of exfat. Try that first and then go from there.
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I tought that this option has been blocked with all current samsung devices?
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Check out this YouTube video. Hope I helped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUF7R0mmk00
Jerry D said:
Check out this YouTube video. Hope I helped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUF7R0mmk00
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From stock, this options is no longer available. There are, however, programs that can trick android into doing this.
So what you guys are saying is, without root we can't move any apps to sd?
Alex1x said:
So what you guys are saying is, without root we can't move any apps to sd?
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It seems that way. I haven't been able to find a way to do it. I'll root this weekend.
The biggest reason native app2sd does not work is your /sdcard is internal memory, /sdcard and /data are the same partition so moving from /data to /sdcard is pointless. This was done to remove the need for apps2sd. I suggest directory bind application to symlink large app folders so the data resides on /mnt/extSdCard but the app can stilll look for it on /sdcard.
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SkyPhone said:
It seems that way. I haven't been able to find a way to do it. I'll root this weekend.
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Could you update this post once rooted and let me know if option "move to sd" shows up...
Alex1x said:
Could you update this post once rooted and let me know if option "move to sd" shows up...
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No, the App2sd doesn't just show up as an option even after rooting. Even with after being rooted the only way that I know how to App2sd is by using the script shown in that video. Yes, the script method did worked for me. With the script method it is one way to App2sd only. You don't get to choose which app goes where. No script - apps go to internal memory. With script - apps go to SD card.
Not apps to SD but Gameloft games to SD.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slf.ListglApp
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Get App2sd to work on Jelly Bean 4.1
If you own a Samsung Galaxy S3 or Note 2, or perhaps a HTC Evo 4g LTE (One X w/ microsd slot), then you might try this app.
EVEN NEXUS :laugh: users can use this app to save apps to a flash Drive
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&feature=also_installed
YES you do have to be rooted for this to work.
Also if you have large Gameloft games or Gun Bros and other large data games, the this app may be for you:
[play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slf.ListglApp&rdid=com.slf.ListglApp&rdot=1
This may free enough memory for what you need but be a little less complicated. There is a video on the Play Store for this app showing how to use it.
Directory bind is another option, but I am not familiar with it yet. Hope this helps.
P.s. Just so there's no confusion to the Title, these do not make the actual "App2sd" app or "AppMgr III" work. These are simply a way around Google's Changes.

Internal sd near full

Is there a way to move large applications to extenal sd card?
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lilmeanz said:
Is there a way to move large applications to extenal sd card?
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There are quite a few apps in the market that allow it.
With the galaxy s3 you can't install apps and run them from the SD card... unless you do the storage swap mod...
yeah none work they all say phone not supported
DamageSource said:
With the galaxy s3 you can't install apps and run them from the SD card... unless you do the storage swap mod...
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Im having dificulties finding the storage swap mod for the S3. Can anyone help? I use alot of games and my storage is full!! (ROOTED)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886091
Be careful..if you do it wrong when ever you try to install apps it will say "storage space full" and you have to Odin back to stock to fix..but if you do it right its a good thing to have..also use titanium backup and back IP the games you're not currently playing and save them for when you want to play them and restore.. read the thread carefully as I do not know if it works with jelly bean if you're on that.
EDIT***** Theres also this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849857
Es explorer will allow you to move files from internal to external

[Q] apps to sd card rom

is here a touch whiz rom with apps to sd card feature
rudyp9 said:
is here a touch whiz rom with apps to sd card feature
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Check the i9505 Development forum. I believe most, if not all of their modded/stock ROMs do. Just be sure to flash a T-Mobile kernel after flashing a ROM from any other section that this one.
rudyp9 said:
is here a touch whiz rom with apps to sd card feature
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My update will have this.
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elesbb said:
My update will have this.
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Nice thanks:good:
I heard the built in App to SD isnt very efficient and doesnt move all apps properly. But FolderMount is an app that does the job perfectly, and i highly recommend it. This one works on every ROM and ive used it to fill up my 64GB external SD card without any issues. All apps and everything moved wih this app function 100% properly.
Monkz said:
I heard the built in App to SD isnt very efficient and doesnt move all apps properly. But FolderMount is an app that does the job perfectly, and i highly recommend it. This one works on every ROM and ive used it to fill up my 64GB external SD card without any issues. All apps and everything moved wih this app function 100% properly.
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doe it move apps or just games?
rudyp9 said:
doe it move apps or just games?
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Apps and games. You just mount the directories of the apps or games that are saved to your phone over to directories that it can automatically create for you or that you make on your SD card.
Monkz said:
Apps and games. You just mount the directories of the apps or games that are saved to your phone over to directories that it can automatically create for you or that you make on your SD card.
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Tried it and it doesn't move the files anywhere on aosp rom.
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Ive used it without Issues on TouchWiz, AOKP, and the Infamous Google Edition ROM.
Monkz said:
Ive used it without Issues on TouchWiz, AOKP, and the Infamous Google Edition ROM.
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Doesn't do anyhing but cause issues. I already had files for madden12 on sd card after I used folder mount and switched files to ex card it asks me to download files again for the game. So it's useless to me. Waiting on elesbb app or somebody to come up with a switch mount script that works for all files.
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Miami8906 said:
Doesn't do anyhing but cause issues. I already had files for madden12 on sd card after I used folder mount and switched files to ex card it asks me to download files again for the game. So it's useless to me. Waiting on elesbb app or somebody to come up with a switch mount script that works for all files.
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Thats very strange because my apps did that with every single other app to sd card method, and would always make me re download, but this has worked for everything. Every gameloft game, every non gameloft game like Real Racing 3, works perfect. Even apps like skype and whatsapp or anything works flawlessly when i mount it to my external SD.
Monkz said:
Thats very strange because my apps did that with every single other app to sd card method, and would always make me re download, but this has worked for everything. Every gameloft game, every non gameloft game like Real Racing 3, works perfect. Even apps like skype and whatsapp or anything works flawlessly when i mount it to my external SD.
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Must not like my phone...lol.
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Miami8906 said:
Must not like my phone...lol.
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Did it ever give you a faulty module popup saying it needed to be patched? Cause that popped up every time i opened it for the first time and i patched it and then you have to reboot and then it works.
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Did it ever give you a faulty module popup saying it needed to be patched? Cause that popped up every time i opened it for the first time and i patched it and then you have to reboot and then it works.
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Nothing like that when I used it.
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Miami8906 said:
Nothing like that when I used it.
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i would recommend trying again. When you first open and let it load it should give you that popup. Allow it to fix the fault, and then reboot the phone and it should work.
Monkz said:
i would recommend trying again. When you first open and let it load it should give you that popup. Allow it to fix the fault, and then reboot the phone and it should work.
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Will try that ok
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Will try that ok
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I tried it. It leaves the files in the original location (after selecting "yes" to allow them to be moved to the SD card). I confirmed they were on the SD card, but nothing was moved from the phone. What's the point? Doesn't free up any space. I tried deleting the files from the phone after they were "moved" to the SD card, and the app would not run. Error message about the SD card not being mounted.
What's the point if the files must be in both locations?? Saves no space.
RiverCity.45 said:
I tried it. It leaves the files in the original location (after selecting "yes" to allow them to be moved to the SD card). I confirmed they were on the SD card, but nothing was moved from the phone. What's the point? Doesn't free up any space. I tried deleting the files from the phone after they were "moved" to the SD card, and the app would not run. Error message about the SD card not being mounted.
What's the point if the files must be in both locations?? Saves no space.
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From what I understand the app performs a mount with 'bind' option, the disk usage is not accurate as the system 'thinks' these files still reside on the internal sd, but are actually located on the ext. SD.
ker0zene said:
From what I understand the app performs a mount with 'bind' option, the disk usage is not accurate as the system 'thinks' these files still reside on the internal sd, but are actually located on the ext. SD.
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You guys should try GL to SD Root works better than folder mount or directory bind. I used it to move 7 gb's of game data to my ex card. Helped me out alot.
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ker0zene said:
From what I understand the app performs a mount with 'bind' option, the disk usage is not accurate as the system 'thinks' these files still reside on the internal sd, but are actually located on the ext. SD.
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Oh. I see. A symbolic link, so if I delete file from what appears to be the phone, I'm actually deleting files on SD card. I get it. Thanks for clearing that up.

App2sd for leaked 4.3

Im using n7100 with wannam rom 4.3. Is there any mode for 4.3 like the app2sd mod?
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Its a feature of 4.3..so no use of installing 3rd party app. Go to settings>application mgr>desired app>move to sd
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mannyvinny said:
Its a feature of 4.3..so no use of installing 3rd party app. Go to settings>application mgr>desired app>move to sd
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Can anyone confirm this? App2sd was a feature on Android 2.2, but we know that Sammy likes to mess with our heads and intentionally disabled this feature on our Note 2. Is it now enabled, by Sammy, on 4.3?
want new app2sd script for 4.3 note 2
i'm on ditto note 3 rom v3.1
move2sd feature on 4.3 rom just moves the app from internal storage to external storage but doesn't swap internal and external memory locations.
MY PROBLEM
app2sd script which worked fine in 4.1.2 not working for new 4.3 rom. im using 64gb sd card. so please can anyone find me the solution
please fix this app2sd issue
i play lot of games and it is difficult for me without swapping memory cards to use them
Honestly, I've abandoned the standard app2sd in favor of using foldermount. I've moved all my big games to my external sd card (over 10gb) and anything under 100mb I just leave on the device. I now have close to 7gb free on my phone.
The great thing about using foldermount is that after you flash a new rom, you simply remount the folders within the app and when you download the game again from the app store, it only needs to download the app, not the huge asset files which go along. Using app2sd you lose this handy trick.
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EP2008 said:
Honestly, I've abandoned the standard app2sd in favor of using foldermount. I've moved all my big games to my external sd card (over 10gb) and anything under 100mb I just leave on the device. I now have close to 7gb free on my phone.
The great thing about using foldermount is that after you flash a new rom, you simply remount the folders within the app and when you download the game again from the app store, it only needs to download the app, not the huge asset files which go along. Using app2sd you lose this handy trick.
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in folder mount i cant mount folder which has subfolders in it which i dont like at all

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