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[Q] Desire HD Camera/Video/Sound crap?!?!?!

After 1 month with Desire HD, I think i like it but there are these 3 things that are really annoying:
1. Camera:
Very limited functionality/adjustment.
Small sensor (my guess) -> can't get a good picture of moving subject (I am not talking about lighting fast moving subject, just for example baby movement).
2. Video:
Very limited file formats can be played back.
Third party players (rockplayer, vplayer) can play some but still not all, especially mkv...very very very laggy.....
Lagging can also occasionally occur during playback of some avi/divx too?
3. Sound/speaker:
This is the worst.
I am comparing the above with the Samsung Galaxy S........quite disappointed.
so here is my 2 cents question:
Does anyone know whether a firmware upgrade can fix the above issues or it's more like a hardware things?
Is it possible that we can use/port the Samsung Galaxy S Camera/Video/Sound firmware/apk on the Desire HD to improve it??????
Many Thanks in advance

There are quite a few threads round here regarding the camera. Have you tried adjusting the ISO? Having it set on "Auto" is a recipe for disaster, the same goes for the white balance.
Check to see if there are any OTA updates available.

You are right. The Desire HD is the biggest piece of crap I've ever used. Unfortunately Telus gave it to me as a replacement while my Galaxy S is being repaired.
Sound is godawful. I hooked up my quality headphones to the Desire HD and can't get any real volume. The sound is completely garbled and half the lyrics are not understandable. I've tried stock settings, using the Dolby and using SRS as well as playing with the equalizer. The sound just plain sucks. It is totally unusable. I'm not an audiophile so I'm perplexed that nobody else has mentioned these issues. Or perhaps there is a solution I'm not aware of.
Second really annoying problem is that I can't delete hotmail emails... they just pop back on the next sync. What gives?
I seriously don't understand how HTC expects to thrive when they put out crap like this. Doesn't anybody believe in quality anymore? Maybe my expectations are just too high, the iphone JUST WORKS and Samsung's Galaxy was a beautiful implementation of Android. Guess I'll just have to wait for my Galaxy to get back or buy the new SGSII. Having an original HTC Diamond and now the problems with the Desire HD, I swear this company should be bankrupt. I'll never pay for one of their phones again.

I agree with seamus24. My friend has Samsung galaxy S II and checked the sound quality. It really better then Desire HD. Is HTC listening ????

rpandaw said:
I agree with seamus24. My friend has Samsung galaxy S II and checked the sound quality. It really better then Desire HD. Is HTC listening ????
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Sorry to admit as an avid user of HTCs...the DHD camera is not as good as the Desire, just remember that megapixels is not everything...noise control on the Desire is excellent, overall producing better photo than DHD. I jumped the ship after playing with the SGS2...camera is very low noise, super sharp...also offered 1080 recording as well...
The video player is limited by copyrights and licenses for format playbacks etc and obviously hardware of the DHD. Not to blame, in most cases it can play converted 720 videos without too much issues with the exclusion of MPEG formats IIRC.
Speakers, well that was **** a bit ****, I still firmly believe that the Desure was a better phone, the audio quality on it I believe was better, in comparison again to the SGS2, well there is no competition...DHD<Desire<SGS2
@OP, even if porting was possible, I fear that the archilles heels is based on the actual hardware of the camera, processor (CPU and GPU) and speaker. All of which cannot be changed or upgraded. There is only so much firmware updates can enable slight improvements. Whilst CPU can be OCed, I believe I read from fellow DHD DEV LordClockan that the GPU on the DHD cannot be OCed. Speakers, even with the enhancement from BEATS, very little can be done through software equalisers...trust me, there are people *****ing and moaning about how bad the SGS2 sound quality in comparison to SGS at the SGS2 XDA Forum...they dont actually know how bad DHD is then...but still...borrowing a DHD at the moment...missed SenseUI hahaha...

cubim said:
Third party players (rockplayer, vplayer) can play some but still not all, especially mkv...very very very laggy.....
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I'm assuming that's a blu-ray rip you're trying to play on your device? or just another .mkv file (for the quality of picture you get on it)
I tried playing 'Avatar' 2.26GB - blu-ray ripped to a mkv file. Had to take the battery out to restart the phone. I work for a telco, so I tried it on several other DHDs - same result.
Worked like a charm on the SGSII though. I'm assuming, the DHD can only do so much.

HTC to unveil new Mango phone on 1st September

Event announced for 1 September. Its on techradar but I'm not allowed to post links here as not made enough posts.
I'm dure for upgrade now too, I hope they have one with a decent screen, battery life and of course beats dr dre sounds integrated.

Here you go:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ws-phone-mango-handsets-on-1-september-995462

Eternity....

the beats by dre is probably a software thing rather than hardware which could be fixed by an update to the sound enhancer.

eric12341 said:
the beats by dre is probably a software thing rather than hardware which could be fixed by an update to the sound enhancer.
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From what I see, Beats is hardware speakers & headphones, not software only (may include software too). This isn't to say that software couldn't help, but the current HTC WP7 devices have pretty poor speaker, at least in my opinion. My old T-Mobile TP2, T-Mobile Dash, & AT&T Tilt had much better sound quality.
Beats by Dr. Dre

Can't wait to see all the new Mangofied devices coming out this Fall. I'm most looking forward to what Nokia has up its sleeve since I think they don't have too long before they need to release their version of a swam song. HTC always makes good phones though, so if I feel the need to supplement my Dell Venue Pro I'll check out their offerings.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
From what I see, Beats is hardware speakers & headphones, not software only (may include software too). This isn't to say that software couldn't help, but the current HTC WP7 devices have pretty poor speaker, at least in my opinion. My old T-Mobile TP2, T-Mobile Dash, & AT&T Tilt had much better sound quality.
Beats by Dr. Dre
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It's both, but it currently only works with headphones so the speakers will still be crappy (I have an Envy 14 Beats). The software controls the amount of Bass it amplifies in like an Equaliser.
Also, I accidently clicked thanks instead of quote, so you get a free +1 to your thanks meter

brummiesteven said:
It's both, but it currently only works with headphones so the speakers will still be crappy (I have an Envy 14 Beats). The software controls the amount of Bass it amplifies in like an Equaliser.
Also, I accidently clicked thanks instead of quote, so you get a free +1 to your thanks meter
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Thanks for that additional information & the accidental "thank," lol.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Thanks for that additional information & the accidental "thank," lol.
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Just to add, to anyone reading this. It might not necessarily be limited to the headphone jack, that's just how it is on HP Envy's.
HTC could decide to add a Beats Speaker aswell... but Beats technology is VERY expensive, the only speaker they have at the moment is the Beat Box which is #300+ (That's pounds, yes my Envy is a US import and I have no pound sign ), Having said all this, HTC do have a controlling share now.
And yes, the difference is amazing but I do use Beats Solos... Not sure how it would sound with standard headphones.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
From what I see, Beats is hardware speakers & headphones, not software only (may include software too). This isn't to say that software couldn't help, but the current HTC WP7 devices have pretty poor speaker, at least in my opinion. My old T-Mobile TP2, T-Mobile Dash, & AT&T Tilt had much better sound quality.
Beats by Dr. Dre
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They have poor sound period.

Nokia un imo has the best speakers hands down. Matter a fact one of the phones they unveiled today is said to be the best sounding smrtphome to date I believe its the Nokia 800. Wish it was a wp7 device and not Symbian.
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makoute said:
They have poor sound period.
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this is probably a race motivated statement as u probably can't stand that an African American male invented what's possibly the greatest sound ever produced.

eric12341 said:
this is probably a race motivated statement as u probably can't stand that an African American male invented what's possibly the greatest sound ever produced.
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I believe he was talking about HTC Device, not Beats. If that's the case, he's correct. The HTC HD7 has terrible sound from its built in speakers. The TP2 I used to have had much better sound. Still not great, but at least I could hear it.
PS: Even if he's talking about Beats. What makes this a "race motivated statement?" He never used any racist/derogatory comment towards the creator. He just stated his opinion of "something" having poor sound quality. It's these kind of statement you post that get you in trouble with the mods of this forum. Please, just try to not make posts like this anymore. You'll be doing yourself a favor.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I believe he was talking about HTC Device, not Beats. If that's the case, he's correct. The HTC HD7 has terrible sound from its built in speakers. The TP2 I used to have had much better sound. Still not great, but at least I could hear it.
PS: Even if he's talking about Beats. What makes this a "race motivated statement?" He never used any racist/derogatory comment towards the creator. He just stated his opinion of "something" having poor sound quality. It's these kind of statement you post that get you in trouble with the mods of this forum. Please, just try to not make posts like this anymore. You'll be doing yourself a favor.
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he could've been more specific in his reply. these speakers are usually only intended for things such as phone calls, alarms, and podcasts/apps not for hardcore things like music and movies, that's how u blow them out. also the SRS enhancement does enhance the sound from the speakers to a degree.

eric12341 said:
he could've been more specific in his reply. these speakers are usually only intended for things such as phone calls, alarms, and podcasts/apps not for hardcore things like music and movies, that's how u blow them out. also the SRS enhancement does enhance the sound from the speakers to a degree.
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I agree, that is what the speakers are designed for, but why put them in a Phone that is meant to be a Media/Social Networking phone. They're fine for dumbphones like the Motorola RAZR, but WP7 is smartphone & is marketed as a media phone. It's essentially a Zune Phone with additional functionality. I may hate the iPhone, but must admit it has amazing sound even on the built in speaker(s). I mean, even some dumbphones like the Nokia Music Express has much better sound quality. We pay good money for these phones, whether they're Android/WP7/iPhone/what ever, they should give us some quality for that money.

Oh, & while we're at it. include a $5 FM antenna in the device so we aren't restricted to using wired headphones to listen to FM radio, granted I'd never use it as I don't listen to music on the radio, but still. Having FM Radio & the sound enhancement of HTC Sound Enhancer restricted to wire headsets/phones is stupid IMO. I mean come on, this is the day of wireless technology such a BT.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I agree, that is what the speakers are designed for, but why put them in a Phone that is meant to be a Media/Social Networking phone. They're fine for dumbphones like the Motorola RAZR, but WP7 is smartphone & is marketed as a media phone. It's essentially a Zune Phone with additional functionality. I may hate the iPhone, but must admit it has amazing sound even on the built in speaker(s). I mean, even some dumbphones like the Nokia Music Express has much better sound quality. We pay good money for these phones, whether they're Android/WP7/iPhone/what ever, they should give us some quality for that money.
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the speaker in my arrive sounds tons better than the iPhone. and the Nokia music express is actually a Symbian smartphone, so of course it's gotta have a great speaker since its built for music.

eric12341 said:
the speaker in my arrive sounds tons better than the iPhone. and the Nokia music express is actually a Symbian smartphone, so of course it's gotta have a great speaker since its built for music.
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I'll have to take your word for it, never heard the Arrive's sound quality. I have a HD7. I wouldn't call the music express a smartphone, yes it has Symbian, but an older version of it that's lacking many features of a true smartphone. The Nokia Nuron now, is another story. My room mates have had both & the Nuron is much better & has great sound quality as well.

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Oh, & while we're at it. include a $5 FM antenna in the device so we aren't restricted to using wired headphones to listen to FM radio, granted I'd never use it as I don't listen to music on the radio, but still. Having FM Radio & the sound enhancement of HTC Sound Enhancer restricted to wire headsets/phones is stupid IMO. I mean come on, this is the day of wireless technology such a BT.
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the SRS enhancement within the sound enhancer works without headphones and there are many radio apps that allow listening to local radio in more superior digital audio quality rather than analog which is what's found on FM Radio.

eric12341 said:
the SRS enhancement within the sound enhancer works without headphones and there are many radio apps that allow listening to local radio in more superior digital audio quality rather than analog which is what's found on FM Radio.
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Some of Sound Enhancement works w/o, but the main feature with the most effect does not & never has, even in WinMo. Do those radio apps work without headphones & if so, are they using the FM Receiver or some kind of Data Connection thing? If they aren't working without headphones & not using the FM receiver, than how does this relate to my antenna comment? That'd be an Apples & Oranges thing.

Terrible Audio Playback

Have any of you experienced terrible audio quality (Tinny sound-sorta like the treble is too high) and a very slight hiss when listening to music on the headphones? Ordered 2 phones from AT and T and both of them have the same issue. I am still debating whether this is an issue or is just the way the phone is.
I had a Tmobile G2 previously and the audio quality when listening to Pandora and other internet radio apps was simply awesome. This is especially disturbing to me as I am absolutely thrilled with the phone in other aspects. Based on your responses I will decide if I want to return the phone to get a replacement or simply get the HTC One X.
FYI I have the AT and T Samsung Galaxy S3 with stock ROM from AT and T.

alfredo123 said:
Have any of you experienced terrible audio quality (Tinny sound-sorta like the treble is too high) and a very slight hiss when listening to music on the headphones? Ordered 2 phones from AT and T and both of them have the same issue. I am still debating whether this is an issue or is just the way the phone is.
I had a Tmobile G2 previously and the audio quality when listening to Pandora and other internet radio apps was simply awesome. This is especially disturbing to me as I am absolutely thrilled with the phone in other aspects. Based on your responses I will decide if I want to return the phone to get a replacement or simply get the HTC One X.
FYI I have the AT and T Samsung Galaxy S3 with stock ROM from AT and T.
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I have found that equalizers are very helpful. Try a few from the Play Store.

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I have found that equalizers are very helpful. Try a few from the Play Store.
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Thanks Gberg. I tried the equalizer app, didnt do too much to alleviate the issue. I will be trying a friends phone to see if it has the same issue to decide.

I checked a friends S3 and found pretty much the same results. It is very much possible the audio playback sound quality is not as good as some of the other phones.
Will be trying a more expensive headset.
Also, Can anyone let me know if rooting the phone and installing a custom rom would make any difference to the sound quality?

alfredo123 said:
I checked a friends S3 and found pretty much the same results. It is very much possible the audio playback sound quality is not as good as some of the other phones.
Will be trying a more expensive headset.
Also, Can anyone let me know if rooting the phone and installing a custom rom would make any difference to the sound quality?
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Yes...other roms can help/hurt audio as they replace/tweak audio libraries. Cyanogen Mod includes a DSP app. Another thing i have done that helps a lot is to install awesome beats. check the apps and themes forum for installation instructions...of course you must have root.
Hope this helps. Oh BTW..i'm using the Bose MIE2's. While i'm not a huge Bose fan generally....I have found them to be quite satisfactory with equalization.

Try equalizing with DSPManager I know it comes with Gapps on jelly bean it features bass boost and like I said before equalizer that may help or it could just be the device/defected.

Camcorder sound quality horrible. Igcamera settings?

By now we all know our live sound recording at concerts completely sucks. It sounds like muffled garbage which nullifies the point of even whipping out the ol' e4gt to record and brag to your friends later :/ I've read up and down the boards about the ig/lgcamera app on the market. I was wondering if anyone had luck in obtaining correct ig/lgcamcorder settings to achieve better sound quality? If so mind posting? I've sat w/ the app for about an hour trying all sorts of toggles. All I ever seem to see on the screen, more often than not, is some "Recording failed" BS or I have to toggle between filters before the screen unfreezes. I have 6 major concerts I'm attending this month and would really love to have better vid clips with great audio you can actually understand. Any help here would be greatly appreciated! Thanx in advance XDA Community.

our phone can only record as good as the microphone it has can record.. thats like asking how we can make a 2mp camera take 8mp quality images by just installing another camera app
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Yeah the microphone sucks. I went to Iron Maiden last Friday and the sound of the videos suck.
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elliwigy said:
our phone can only record as good as the microphone it has can record.. thats like asking how we can make a 2mp camera take 8mp quality images by just installing another camera app
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I completely understand where you're coming from and do appreciate the input, but we can all overclock our phone with a quick updated kernel and 3rd party apps like Tegrak or SetCPU, can't we? . Have you at least read up on, or tested igcamera/camcorder before just saying it's impossible? I'm just playing devil's advocate here b/c I know lgcamcorder allows you to change the audio recording freq/rate which, in theory, will allow better audio recording inside videos I've also heard that plugging in an external mic with other apps will work too, but I haven't tried.
Update: Thanks to RubberBigPepper! He's got the latest working LGCamera app here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1677645 . After installing the apk I recorded parts of Metallica - And Justice For All a few times (JBL speakers @ 100% incl. system sound) with stock camcorder vs. lgcamcorder (changed audio encoder to AAC, Audio sample rate to 48000 and Audio bitrate to 320000). LG won that contest hands down. Don't take my word for it, check it out yourselves. I don't have a data cable w/me atm so I'll upload my comparison in a few hours.

thats because our phones hardware is able to be overclocked to a certain extent and the kernel we need because the stock kernel doesnt have the ability to be tweaked.. but hey, if you got an improvement by using a different camera and bitrate then awesome lol. i still dont think its going to sound as clear as you want it at a live recording but hopefully its at least decent for ya.. i personally NEVER use my camera for anything lol so good to know tweaking it can help somewhat
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This goes along with my idea, AOKP, MIUI, and CM9 cameras function better than any TW (IMO). I say this because their ability to process light seems to be slightly more advanced, though not as advanced as the iPhone which has a far superior camera application. If the settings can be tweaked to grasp certain things in images e.g. light, exposure, focus...then why can't settings be implemented in order to achieve the same thing via camcorder? If there is an ability to mess with settings that enhance cetains audio features then the sound quality should improve. I'm interested in seing what others have to say.

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thats because our phones hardware is able to be overclocked to a certain extent and the kernel we need because the stock kernel doesnt have the ability to be tweaked.. but hey, if you got an improvement by using a different camera and bitrate then awesome lol. i still dont think its going to sound as clear as you want it at a live recording but hopefully its at least decent for ya.. i personally NEVER use my camera for anything lol so good to know tweaking it can help somewhat
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I'm in agreeance with ya man. And yes, obviously we can only go so far with what hardware is provided to us. I just annoys me that we have an iphone killer but ****ty sound qual. in camcorder. I just hate to lose bragging rights when I'm next to a friend w/an iDevice comparing vids:/

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I'm in agreeance with ya man. And yes, obviously we can only go so far with what hardware is provided to us. I just annoys me that we have an iphone killer but ****ty sound qual. in camcorder. I just hate to lose bragging rights when I'm next to a friend w/an iDevice comparing vids:/
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Comparing quality of video/photos, you will lose every time (very few exceptions) the software is specific and until the auto features are pulled and implemented in to our devices then the picture quality will be better. I don't see where they win with sound qaulity though, background noise is a main factor on our device for me....does any here have the s3? if so can they confirm whether or not video audio is the same, maybe pulling that .apk and having some edits on the build prop would impose better values, hardware permitting! Just an idea.

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Comparing quality of video/photos, you will lose every time (very few exceptions) the software is specific and until the auto features are pulled and implemented in to our devices then the picture quality will be better. I don't see where they win with sound qaulity though, background noise is a main factor on our device for me....does any here have the s3? if so can they confirm whether or not video audio is the same, maybe pulling that .apk and having some edits on the build prop would impose better values, hardware permitting! Just an idea.
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<<<goosebumps just thinking about the possibility of that cam being ported heck Beats was blended with DSP and ported!
As far as comparison goes: I've stood side-by-side with friends at concerts, my E4GT vs. their iPhone 4s, and recorded the same video shots. My audio was absolute garbage, not one lyrics clear. iPhone 4s however was crystal...

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<<<goosebumps just thinking about the possibility of that cam being ported heck Beats was blended with DSP and ported!
As far as comparison goes: I've stood side-by-side with friends at concerts, my E4GT vs. their iPhone 4s, and recorded the same video shots. My audio was absolute garbage, not one lyrics clear. iPhone 4s however was crystal...
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Yeah..no we can't allot that happen. Wouldn't want people to think an iPhones decent would we. Not I
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Yeah..no we can't allot that happen. Wouldn't want people to think an iPhones decent would we. Not I
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Exactly, it's just absolutely unacceptable I've been w/ Android since the G1 went on presale back in the day, yo! I've got at least a dozen Apple lifers to make the switch to "'Droid". I hate selling ish and sounding like a billboard... I don't believe in it, but dammit! Our EG4T will still hold us over 'til the SGS4 comes out (in what I predict will be Spring). I live in J-ville, FL and we don't have LTE so the only benefit of upgrading to SGS3 is a faster 3g, which is irrelevant to me since I'm always on WiFi. Anywho.... LONG LIVE ANDROID, XDA, and OPENSOURCE T3CH!

I love how people come in with possibly unrelated reasons like oh we can overclock so we should be able to this and that.
About the only thing your going to be able to do here is have someone mod the camera app for a higher data rate and its at 61 kbps. Being a Mono mic that is NOT as bad as it sounds. Being Mono you need only half the data rate for the same quality. So 61 kbps is around the same as 128 which would be considered decent for AAC. If you can get that to 96 or even 128 your going to have the equivalent of 192 to 256 kbps data rates you normally use for stereo.
Sure if the sampling rate is turned down artificially you might be able to fix that. Its at 44,100 now which is fine. Max sample rate is going to be physically tied to the analog to digital converter chip.
If the mic is physically cutting out a certain frequencies and sound levels there is absolutely jack you can do about it except change it physically and you dont really know its properties as is might make selection a little more blind. Most cheap microphones are going to cut out with loud music and fail to record any bass at all. Mics that size in the 2,500 dollar range still have their own issues

Well did some testing noticed some things changing the settings for the AOSP camera versus my old stock camera recordings.
By default the aosp camera audio setting is set to 128Kbps stereo and 48,000hz. It seems the 48,000hz sticks but the audio caps out at 96 Kbps. So that said there seems to be some improvement to be had versus the stock camera application. As per my previous post this is in comparison to 44,100hz and 61 Kbps. I tried 96,000hz for kicks it does not work. AOSP has 2 channels enabled unlike stock but setting it to 1 or 2 doesnt have too much effect. I will have to test but if its writing 2 channels of mono audio it might be harmful to the quality since the overall bitrate is for both channels.
EDIT - The settings for the aosp camera vary wildly on our CM9 builds it seems every few days someone has changed this or that or maybe the source file has i do not know.

I have a friend at work with the S3.. We went to a concert together and the S3 audio was only about 25% better.. Samsung has crappy mics in their phones.. However I have a Samsung Samsung HMX-U20 hand held pocket cam and the sound recording at any concert is simply amazing.. But hate having to bring two devices to events.

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I have a friend at work with the S3.. We went to a concert together and the S3 audio was only about 25% better.. Samsung has crappy mics in their phones.. However I have a Samsung Samsung HMX-U20 hand held pocket cam and the sound recording at any concert is simply amazing.. But hate having to bring two devices to events.
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Thanks for the update on the S3, glad I didn't get roped in and am waiting on the S4

[Q]Is there any way to downgrade to 4.2 or lower?

Hello everyone.
I have bought N7 2nd generation few days ago and I feel very uncomfortable with android 4.3.
Is there any solution for downgrade to 4.2 or lower?

No.
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lys2002123 said:
Hello everyone.
I have bought N7 2nd generation few days ago and I feel very uncomfortable with android 4.3.
Is there any solution for downgrade to 4.2 or lower?
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define uncomfortable
did you not know this tablet had 4.3 stock?

Midnight_Rider said:
define uncomfortable
did you not know this tablet had 4.3 stock?
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I have known..
But things what I have used don't support 4.3 and i didn't know that.

lys2002123 said:
I have known..
But things what I have used don't support 4.3 and i didn't know that.
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ahh yes that's true, there may be stuff out there that won't work on 4.3. Only thing i can say about that is to contact the dev and wait for an update to the app. i know that's not what you wanted to hear, sorry. other than that though how do you like it? i got mine a few days ago and its been fantastic, best android device i've ever owned

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ahh yes that's true, there may be stuff out there that won't work on 4.3. Only thing i can say about that is to contact the dev and wait for an update to the app. i know that's not what you wanted to hear, sorry. other than that though how do you like it? i got mine a few days ago and its been fantastic, best android device i've ever owned
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I am really content with my new android device nexus 7
But... i think stereo speaker isn't louder than I expected.
It seems to have similar volume level with another devices..
And headphone jack is too quiet for me.
It is pretty much quieter than my ex-device Samsung Galaxy S2.
Is that only problem of mine?

thats a good question, havent even tried the headphone jack yet, guess i will now

Midnight_Rider said:
thats a good question, havent even tried the headphone jack yet, guess i will now
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Good
How's yours? I think it is so quiet with high-impedance headphone.
I also think it maybe a problem of Android 4.3..

lys2002123 said:
I have known..
But things what I have used don't support 4.3 and i didn't know that.
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Hi:
What compatibility problems are you having with 4.3 vs 4.22--apps, hardware....
Tom

thenrik said:
Hi:
What compatibility problems are you having with 4.3 vs 4.22--apps, hardware....
Tom
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Some Korean apps... and sound mods like viper4android.
And i think 4.3's audio output is quieter than 4.2.
My N7 is sooo quiet, both headphones and speakers.
Low volume really makes me disappointed.

lys2002123 said:
Hello everyone.
I have bought N7 2nd generation few days ago and I feel very uncomfortable with android 4.3.
Is there any solution for downgrade to 4.2 or lower?
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Do you need a tampon?
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Do you need a tampon?
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Sorry

I think you would lose more than you would gain
Newer devices have advances that play well with the newer OS systems that are available so in my view retro versions may not work as well with some of the more advanced designs in the device thingy.
That said I feel the volume is plenty loud and in fact sounds really good. This is without a doubt the best 7" tablet available at this time. The Nexus 10 is the best 10" tablet available at this time, yes better than the apple products. The audio is better and the screens are better and you can set it up as you please a more mature attitude from the manufacturer if you will. Less hand holding, less paternalistic access to your device.
I bought mine at Office Max with the 20% discount, I felt that the price was almost unbelievable and was surprised when they had some left in stock.
I would like more memory 64GB would be nice but I rooted it and use stick mount to run videos and move files.

lys2002123 said:
Some Korean apps... and sound mods like viper4android.
And i think 4.3's audio output is quieter than 4.2.
My N7 is sooo quiet, both headphones and speakers.
Low volume really makes me disappointed.
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Hi:
You might want to try these JBL Bluetooth speakers--they are loud:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009AYLDSU/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
As for Korean apps, you might try backing up the apk files and installing them. I know that Google says many of my Chinese apps are incompatible but they all work. Worth a try.
Let us know if you find a work around with bluetooth headphones, apps or anything else that works. It's going to be a rocky road with Bluetooth and 4.3. Many Bluetooth keyboards and some headphones don't work with 4.3. I'm reluctant to order anything Bluetooth without confirmation from others that it works with 4.3
I ordered some LG Bluetooth headphones in June. They worked with the Nexus 7 2012 but only played 1/4 volume on my Galaxy S3 so I returned them.
Keep us posted.
Tom

My sound on the headphones is good/decent. At about 1/2 volume is comfortable to me.
I'm not much of an audiophile so I don't know how impedance effects the volume. It's not extremely loud at max volume, though. I'd probably still be able to hear my music while on the lawn mower or on my motorbike but not sure about a jet plane ^^
Speakers at max volume is fine for a quiet room, but outside it probably won't be very loud.
Hope this helped some.
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I'm reluctant to order anything Bluetooth without confirmation from others that it works with 4.3
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Just confirming that my bluetooth keyboard (made by Anker for ~$25 on Amazon) works.
I just paired it and this is the first thing I've typed. Seems to do well. I can even alt-tab to other stuff running. Sweet.
Also just connected my bluetooth apple mightymouse (or whatever they're called) and that's working as well (at the same time as the keyboard)
Maybe someone will see this and find it helpful =)
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

ongre12 said:
Newer devices have advances that play well with the newer OS systems that are available so in my view retro versions may not work as well with some of the more advanced designs in the device thingy.
That said I feel the volume is plenty loud and in fact sounds really good. This is without a doubt the best 7" tablet available at this time. The Nexus 10 is the best 10" tablet available at this time, yes better than the apple products. The audio is better and the screens are better and you can set it up as you please a more mature attitude from the manufacturer if you will. Less hand holding, less paternalistic access to your device.
I bought mine at Office Max with the 20% discount, I felt that the price was almost unbelievable and was surprised when they had some left in stock.
I would like more memory 64GB would be nice but I rooted it and use stick mount to run videos and move files.
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Thank you for your valueable opinion.
To me, I'm very satisfied with another features and there was no intend to diminish Google or Nexus.
And I'm very proud of having brand-new nexus which have the sharpest screen among the world.
What I want to say is Nexus 7's audio quality is quite good but volume is low, lower than how I expected.
Within my experience, commonly, tablets usually make more powerful sound than phone but my Nexus 7 doesn't.
It seems to have simmilar power with phones. I just feel sad about that.

thenrik said:
Hi:
You might want to try these JBL Bluetooth speakers--they are loud:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009AYLDSU/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
As for Korean apps, you might try backing up the apk files and installing them. I know that Google says many of my Chinese apps are incompatible but they all work. Worth a try.
Let us know if you find a work around with bluetooth headphones, apps or anything else that works. It's going to be a rocky road with Bluetooth and 4.3. Many Bluetooth keyboards and some headphones don't work with 4.3. I'm reluctant to order anything Bluetooth without confirmation from others that it works with 4.3
I ordered some LG Bluetooth headphones in June. They worked with the Nexus 7 2012 but only played 1/4 volume on my Galaxy S3 so I returned them.
Keep us posted.
Tom
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Thank you for attention.
Bluetooth is great and easy protocol for sharing small files or connect simple devices, but it is not so good for audio.
Nexus 7 doesn't support apt-x, so bluetooth will impair Nexus 7's quite good quality sound.
At this time I have no bluetooth device so I cannnot find which one works, which one doesn't.
Sorry for bad answer.

nachtfrost said:
My sound on the headphones is good/decent. At about 1/2 volume is comfortable to me.
I'm not much of an audiophile so I don't know how impedance effects the volume. It's not extremely loud at max volume, though. I'd probably still be able to hear my music while on the lawn mower or on my motorbike but not sure about a jet plane ^^
Speakers at max volume is fine for a quiet room, but outside it probably won't be very loud.
Hope this helped some.
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Just confirming that my bluetooth keyboard (made by Anker for ~$25 on Amazon) works.
I just paired it and this is the first thing I've typed. Seems to do well. I can even alt-tab to other stuff running. Sweet.
Also just connected my bluetooth apple mightymouse (or whatever they're called) and that's working as well (at the same time as the keyboard)
Maybe someone will see this and find it helpful =)
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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Maybe mine seems simmilar with yours, so I can think my device isn't corruped or something.
In fact I doubted my Nexus is a normal or not.
Thanks, thanks again.

Speakers are really loud. Comparable to my sons Samsung Tab and much much louder then the first gen.
As for apps, just because some apps haven't been given the green flag for 4.3 doesn't mean I won't work. I've sideloaded tons of apps that work fine.
Nothing really different between 4.3 and 4.2 cosmetically. You shouldnt want to downgrade just because a few devs haven't updated yet.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

lys2002123 said:
Some Korean apps... and sound mods like viper4android.
And i think 4.3's audio output is quieter than 4.2.
My N7 is sooo quiet, both headphones and speakers.
Low volume really makes me disappointed.
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You would have to find a ROM that boost the volume. Just going to 4.2.2 wont increase your volume. I've been playing around with some stuff to boost volume and hopefully will have a mod out soon for it
But player is right...the diff between 4.2 and 4.3 are min. They did make a lot of battery saving tweaks, BT stack tweaks and other hardware tweaks but its more hardware related then os related
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