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Why does the Desire's performance suck so badly?

I'm a coder with a shed load of console and PC development experience and I've been looking into doing some dev work on my new HTC Desire.
First thing that struck me was how bad the performance of the san-angeles demo is. I recompiled it using the arm7 eabi and still the performance sucked.
So I've tried out Quake 3. MY performance is pretty much identical to this chaps:
(Because I'm not allowed to post links: Look up "Quake 3 HTC Desire" on youtube)
So at least I know its not just me. The thing that confuses me, though, if you compare it to this video of the nexus one:
(Look up "Quake 3 Nexus one" on youtube)
You can see how badly the desire is performing.
So ... erm ... WTF is going on here? The CPU and GPU hardware in the Desire and Nexus one is the same isn't it? IS the Sense UI really causing performance to get hit THAT badly?
Anyone got any ideas how to improve performance? 'Cos this is making me sadly look at the iPhone for games development again and I prefer the Desire in general but the 3D performance is just waaaay too bad

Well i really think it's a matter of good or bad porting, since the Desire and Nexus one are essentially the same in hardware.
I don't think either that Sense have anything to do with it.

The games you're looking at are probably intended for 2.2 which has a massive speed improvement over 2.1. The Desire should be one of the next phones getting it, so that's good.

Does the nexus one used to demo the performance have froyo? Will that have a very positive impact on the Desire's performance?

Strangely I thought "Why don't I turn down the in-game settings?". After doing so it was much smoother.
So I decided to see which setting was killing it. So I pushed them back up one by one. Fine.
So I pushed texture detail BEYOND what it was originally ... Fine (Though frame rate is probably around 15fps). There is obviously something else amiss.
Now I've restarted and even WITH sound its running OK.
So yeah ... I take that back ... would love to know what was going on though.

To be honest, when I looked at the Nexus One Quake3 video on YouTube, everything looked much lower quality than what I saw on the Desire Quake3 video, but it was very difficult to tell as both videos were poor.
Regards,
Dave

Also ... this doesn't explain why the san-angeles demo was running so poorly

foxmeister said:
To be honest, when I looked at the Nexus One Quake3 video on YouTube, everything looked much lower quality than what I saw on the Desire Quake3 video, but it was very difficult to tell as both videos were poor.
Regards,
Dave
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Yeah you are probably right ... Anyway ... porting my GL/DX9/10/11 engine to Android Ahoy!

Might be worth checking what resolution you're running at.
Once I set mine to run at 800x480 rather than the default 800x600 it jumped up to a reasonable speed....although it's still damn near impossible to play without decent controls

If only we had Urban Terror (far better Q3 port) on Android
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desire or xperia x10 or samsung galaxy S?

I`m a bit confused right now ... i really loved the HTC evo 4G but since i live in India ... i cant get my hands on that...
The only good phones i am left with are desire , xperia x10 or samsung galaxy
Pls let me know which one should i go for
And i wanted to know how are the games in desire .. are they even comparable to iphone games??... and can it be jailbreaked like the iphone????

heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E

Avoid the Xperia X10, mainly due to the terrible terrible battery life and the fact it's still running Android 1.6, as well has having much lower performance than the Desire and Nexus One which use almost identical internals.
As for 'jailbreaking', in Android circles the equivalent is known as 'rooting' to enable you to install all the awesome custom firmwares available on this forum to enable new features, speed up your device or even get the latest versions of Android before they're even released.
Games-wise, there is a decent selection, but truthfully the iPhone is the king of mobile gaming. I haven't found this to be a problem however, as I realised after owning an iPod Touch before my android phone that with most games I'll play them for a few minutes when I download them and then never really touch them again. I use music, video, email, social networking and general internet browsing far more.
As for Desire vs Galaxy S...kind of hard to choose.
Galaxy S Pros and Cons:
+ Large, amazing Super AMOLED screen
+ Most powerful Android device out, especially it's GPU (for 3D games)
+ DivX video support
+ Video-out if you want to connect it to a screen
+ Reportedly great sound quality for headphones
+ Battery life better than most other high-end Android phones
- The phone itself looks like a cheap iPhone ripoff (why Samsung why?!)
- Samsung use their 'TouchWiz' interface on top of Android which looks kind of ugly and adds little
- Samsung don't have a good track record with updates...they've confirmed Froyo but no word on whether it'll ever get anything above that
- Reportedly all custom roms will need to be based off Samsung's official roms, so won't have as large a variety as HTC phones
- Apparently many users have had GPS problems
HTC Desire Pros and Cons:
+ Huge variety of custom roms
+ Similarity with Nexus One means since Nexus One gets updates first, most can be quickly ported to Desire
+ HTC Sense interface on top of Android looks great and improves usability (especially the widgets)
+ HTC's default apps for mail, weather, etc are extremely well designed
+ Will most likely be able to run Android 3.0 (Gingerbread) ported from the Nexus One once it's released
+ Very good build quality and nicer-looking hardware
- Battery life not as good
- Smaller screen that's regular AMOLED rather than Samsung's new variety
- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
Hope that helps! I'm currently in the middle of deciding between the Desire and Galaxy S myself, so done a fair bit of research and tried both out.

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- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
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as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent

That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.

well thanks for that .. i am leaning towards htc desire more now ... just to confirm are there any better andriod phones in the market which are gsm and available outside US ??

AndroHero said:
as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent
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Which battery meter are you using?

vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games

I cant speak for the galaxy S but having used both desire and the xperia the desire wins hands down. The xperia is really laggy and the old version of android is a deal breaker. Once sony pull their fingers out and update the xperia it might be a different story but I dont think we will see that for a few more months yet
the only advantage the xperia has is the large internal apps storage, you dont need to root it if your wanting loads of apps unlike the desire

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heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E
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id love to know how to get that game running on my desire, I had it for my palm pre and loved it but the desire just gives me a black screen then it closes

djoni1980 said:
vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games
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Games or not my priority .. i already have a ipod touch ... for me the main things are cool apps maybe even GPS , email and very good user interface ... i have a htc 3G touch ... it really sucks ...after having that i had decided not to go for HTC again ... But i cant buy iphone 4 as it takes a year to come to my country ... and i heard andriod phones are awesome ... so going back to HTC
So anyone owns a desire .. plz tell the pros and cons of desire which u felt while using

Take the desire you wont regret it.and someone already mentiond pros & cons on page 1.
You only have to choose
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AXIS of Reality said:
That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.
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can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark

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Which battery meter are you using?
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the one that comes with the expresso theme for 2.2 sence roms

AndroHero said:
can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark
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LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1

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LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1
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oh yeah so it does lol

If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
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Jabbafat23 said:
If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
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I'd mostly agree with that.
Android phones really are 'enthusiast' phones, in the sense that you get out of them what you put in. For example, customising it to work exactly how you want and look how you want it to look.
The iPhone is made as a very controlled system, so you have only the absolute minimum freedom (ie: change your wallpaper or order of icons). This is ideal for many people who want something that just 'works' and has been tuned to be an intuitive experience for the majority of people.
Android is based around making your phone uniquely yours, such as through the use of the homescreens to fill with whatever you want (widgets, controls, shortcuts, folders, etc). What this means is it requires more time and attention than an iPhone, but the end result is a phone and way of working that is of your own design.
Think of it like Lego:
- the iPhone is where you follow the instructions and get what is shown in the picture on the box (which can annoy people who want to do their own thing).
- Android is where you are given a pile of lego bricks to build whatever you want, so it's far more personalised even if it's not as polished as the iPhone (which can confuse or put of people who prefer a guiding hand and it to be done for them)
I'm happy to sacrifice some polish in the interface for the chance to really make my phone mine, but there are many who feel the other way. That's why it's great we have the oppurtunity to choose between Android and iOS (and soon Windows Phone 7, which seems like a halfway point between the two).

thanks for all that ... Now i am convinced to go for a desire which i will buy sometime this week
i have a small doubt ( a n00b one) .. whats the use of "rooting" and installing ROM`s???.. is it the same as "jailbreaking" in iphone where i can install paid apps and games for free and play with my looks ?? ... or is there anyother use??

i have HTC Desire which i bough from a friend in England, (i live in Seattle) and absolutely love it. My co-worker has Tmobile Samsung Vibrant. Ill give my impressions and quick pros and cons, i may sound little bias but here it is.
Samsung Galaxy Pros
Large SuperAMOLED screen, true 800x480 res, multitouch (Which, while is brighter than the Desire, not that much better, almost cant tell the difference.)
Better battery life, Galaxy also comes with 1500 mAh battery whereas Desire come with 1400 mAh ( again only one day of test with moderate use)
Better GPU
16 Gb of internal storage (which is a huge plus)
720p @30 frames video capture (which also is possible on the Desire with a custom ROM)
Cons
Built quality is extremely cheap, back is shiny plastic which is prone to scratches
Has ugly iphone 3GS style bezel around the screen
No camera flash (this one is a huge let down by Samsung which is beyond any comprehension)
Ugly UI which is a blatant iOS rip off (this one may be strictly preferential depending if you like iOS look or not)
Samsungs proven lack of support track record
Not clear whether gonna have large dev support on XDA
External speaker is horrible, tiny sound (Desire is the same)
That is all i can think of at the moment
Desire Cons
Uses old Clear pad 2000 touch panel which lacks true multitouch support or supports it in a broken way (you can google Nexus one touch screen problems, there is 70 pages plus thread about it)
Uses Cheap Pentile pixel arrangement, which some argue is better for media but horrible if ou spend most of the time reading text on your device. ( you can google Pentile on Nexus One, Anandtech.com has very informative article about this)
Eternal speaker is horrible, sound is tiny and quite
video capture is crap
When using on low brightness, screen has pink hue
Battery life is mediocre
Pros
Built quality is way better than Galaxy, also looks sophisticated compared to Galaxy
Camera flash
Huge support from XDA developers since it is almost identical to Nexus One
Runs Sense, although i equally hate Sense, it is a lot better that TouchWiz
Has hardware buttons (this one is a deal breaker for me as Galaxy touch sensitive buttons are unresponsive at times and generally suck)
AMOLED is almost as good as Galaxy's ( aside from cheap ass touch panel that HTC used on Desire and Nexus One, why HTC why)
That is all i can think of at the moment. I am eligible for an upgrade with Tmobile, but i think ill keep the Desire. Just better phone aside from crappy screen. Hope this helps

The 720p video recording ...

How good is it?
Anyone has a sample 720p video file that was created using HTC Desire?
Thanks.

I am curious too... anyone got a sample?
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It sucs, upscaled video, low fps

Not impressed by it at all. Seems worse than my previous N95.
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The image is crisp, but the fps is too low. I'm hoping it will get better when we get the official 2.2 update, but for now 480p is what you want to use

well, i don't know. i took one a few days ago (i forget which rom now) and the 720p one was relatively ok (low fps - 20 ish according to mpc-hc), but no tearing.
old vids i took on stock 480p was a tear fest on movement and unusable. as i've mentioned before though, i'd rather have a higher fps recorded with 480p. would make for a far smoother playback experience

ehh not impressed

I don't know, for my part I'm surely very impressed and happy with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjI5ygsXzQ
This wasn't even in perfect light conditions and with the leaked rom from some weeks ago...
Remember to select hd in the video

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I don't know, for my part I'm surely very impressed and happy with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjI5ygsXzQ
This wasn't even in perfect light conditions and with the leaked rom from some weeks ago...
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have you got p0rn on in the background?!?!

Hehe it sure sounds like that. No, it's a bunch of idiots in the garden below me, I think it was a girl shouting, but nothing more...
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Here is an example of the 720p video.... You will have to change the youtube setting to 720p to see the full quallity. Notice how jumpy it is.. like someone else said my old N95 was better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_IiPl-W7o

Yes, all 720p recorded looks CRAP. I'm just hoping the official 2.2 is improved or optimized. No offense to the chefs, but I have seen some aspects of pre release roms not living up to the official versions. i.e. seen some slow sluggish unstable hero 2.1 roms. the offical one is 100% perfect.
we know the hardware of the Desire whould easily be able to handle 720 recording so lets wait and see.

glad its not just me.
yes sharp picture when not moving but what use is that

no one has released a video of official 720p recording, leaked roms mean nothing so we're just going to have to wait.

I previously had recorded choppy videos. Installed mcr, replaced my sd card with my new class 6 one and it went away.
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Video recording on the Desire suffers drastically due to the lack of any stabilization. Extremely shaky unless you have it mounted perfectly still. I hope the final Desire release has some improvements over the leaked in this regard.
YouTube re-encoded vids are kinda pointless to judge quality from. Here's an original someone had shot a while back before they had higher bitrate recording available: http://db.tt/v7oVpw
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totaly agree!

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totaly agree!
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You don't feel a bit late, do you?
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Camcorder sound quality horrible. Igcamera settings?

By now we all know our live sound recording at concerts completely sucks. It sounds like muffled garbage which nullifies the point of even whipping out the ol' e4gt to record and brag to your friends later :/ I've read up and down the boards about the ig/lgcamera app on the market. I was wondering if anyone had luck in obtaining correct ig/lgcamcorder settings to achieve better sound quality? If so mind posting? I've sat w/ the app for about an hour trying all sorts of toggles. All I ever seem to see on the screen, more often than not, is some "Recording failed" BS or I have to toggle between filters before the screen unfreezes. I have 6 major concerts I'm attending this month and would really love to have better vid clips with great audio you can actually understand. Any help here would be greatly appreciated! Thanx in advance XDA Community.

our phone can only record as good as the microphone it has can record.. thats like asking how we can make a 2mp camera take 8mp quality images by just installing another camera app
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Yeah the microphone sucks. I went to Iron Maiden last Friday and the sound of the videos suck.
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elliwigy said:
our phone can only record as good as the microphone it has can record.. thats like asking how we can make a 2mp camera take 8mp quality images by just installing another camera app
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I completely understand where you're coming from and do appreciate the input, but we can all overclock our phone with a quick updated kernel and 3rd party apps like Tegrak or SetCPU, can't we? . Have you at least read up on, or tested igcamera/camcorder before just saying it's impossible? I'm just playing devil's advocate here b/c I know lgcamcorder allows you to change the audio recording freq/rate which, in theory, will allow better audio recording inside videos I've also heard that plugging in an external mic with other apps will work too, but I haven't tried.
Update: Thanks to RubberBigPepper! He's got the latest working LGCamera app here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1677645 . After installing the apk I recorded parts of Metallica - And Justice For All a few times (JBL speakers @ 100% incl. system sound) with stock camcorder vs. lgcamcorder (changed audio encoder to AAC, Audio sample rate to 48000 and Audio bitrate to 320000). LG won that contest hands down. Don't take my word for it, check it out yourselves. I don't have a data cable w/me atm so I'll upload my comparison in a few hours.

thats because our phones hardware is able to be overclocked to a certain extent and the kernel we need because the stock kernel doesnt have the ability to be tweaked.. but hey, if you got an improvement by using a different camera and bitrate then awesome lol. i still dont think its going to sound as clear as you want it at a live recording but hopefully its at least decent for ya.. i personally NEVER use my camera for anything lol so good to know tweaking it can help somewhat
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This goes along with my idea, AOKP, MIUI, and CM9 cameras function better than any TW (IMO). I say this because their ability to process light seems to be slightly more advanced, though not as advanced as the iPhone which has a far superior camera application. If the settings can be tweaked to grasp certain things in images e.g. light, exposure, focus...then why can't settings be implemented in order to achieve the same thing via camcorder? If there is an ability to mess with settings that enhance cetains audio features then the sound quality should improve. I'm interested in seing what others have to say.

elliwigy said:
thats because our phones hardware is able to be overclocked to a certain extent and the kernel we need because the stock kernel doesnt have the ability to be tweaked.. but hey, if you got an improvement by using a different camera and bitrate then awesome lol. i still dont think its going to sound as clear as you want it at a live recording but hopefully its at least decent for ya.. i personally NEVER use my camera for anything lol so good to know tweaking it can help somewhat
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I'm in agreeance with ya man. And yes, obviously we can only go so far with what hardware is provided to us. I just annoys me that we have an iphone killer but ****ty sound qual. in camcorder. I just hate to lose bragging rights when I'm next to a friend w/an iDevice comparing vids:/

modifidious said:
I'm in agreeance with ya man. And yes, obviously we can only go so far with what hardware is provided to us. I just annoys me that we have an iphone killer but ****ty sound qual. in camcorder. I just hate to lose bragging rights when I'm next to a friend w/an iDevice comparing vids:/
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Comparing quality of video/photos, you will lose every time (very few exceptions) the software is specific and until the auto features are pulled and implemented in to our devices then the picture quality will be better. I don't see where they win with sound qaulity though, background noise is a main factor on our device for me....does any here have the s3? if so can they confirm whether or not video audio is the same, maybe pulling that .apk and having some edits on the build prop would impose better values, hardware permitting! Just an idea.

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Comparing quality of video/photos, you will lose every time (very few exceptions) the software is specific and until the auto features are pulled and implemented in to our devices then the picture quality will be better. I don't see where they win with sound qaulity though, background noise is a main factor on our device for me....does any here have the s3? if so can they confirm whether or not video audio is the same, maybe pulling that .apk and having some edits on the build prop would impose better values, hardware permitting! Just an idea.
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<<<goosebumps just thinking about the possibility of that cam being ported heck Beats was blended with DSP and ported!
As far as comparison goes: I've stood side-by-side with friends at concerts, my E4GT vs. their iPhone 4s, and recorded the same video shots. My audio was absolute garbage, not one lyrics clear. iPhone 4s however was crystal...

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<<<goosebumps just thinking about the possibility of that cam being ported heck Beats was blended with DSP and ported!
As far as comparison goes: I've stood side-by-side with friends at concerts, my E4GT vs. their iPhone 4s, and recorded the same video shots. My audio was absolute garbage, not one lyrics clear. iPhone 4s however was crystal...
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Yeah..no we can't allot that happen. Wouldn't want people to think an iPhones decent would we. Not I
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Yeah..no we can't allot that happen. Wouldn't want people to think an iPhones decent would we. Not I
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Exactly, it's just absolutely unacceptable I've been w/ Android since the G1 went on presale back in the day, yo! I've got at least a dozen Apple lifers to make the switch to "'Droid". I hate selling ish and sounding like a billboard... I don't believe in it, but dammit! Our EG4T will still hold us over 'til the SGS4 comes out (in what I predict will be Spring). I live in J-ville, FL and we don't have LTE so the only benefit of upgrading to SGS3 is a faster 3g, which is irrelevant to me since I'm always on WiFi. Anywho.... LONG LIVE ANDROID, XDA, and OPENSOURCE T3CH!

I love how people come in with possibly unrelated reasons like oh we can overclock so we should be able to this and that.
About the only thing your going to be able to do here is have someone mod the camera app for a higher data rate and its at 61 kbps. Being a Mono mic that is NOT as bad as it sounds. Being Mono you need only half the data rate for the same quality. So 61 kbps is around the same as 128 which would be considered decent for AAC. If you can get that to 96 or even 128 your going to have the equivalent of 192 to 256 kbps data rates you normally use for stereo.
Sure if the sampling rate is turned down artificially you might be able to fix that. Its at 44,100 now which is fine. Max sample rate is going to be physically tied to the analog to digital converter chip.
If the mic is physically cutting out a certain frequencies and sound levels there is absolutely jack you can do about it except change it physically and you dont really know its properties as is might make selection a little more blind. Most cheap microphones are going to cut out with loud music and fail to record any bass at all. Mics that size in the 2,500 dollar range still have their own issues

Well did some testing noticed some things changing the settings for the AOSP camera versus my old stock camera recordings.
By default the aosp camera audio setting is set to 128Kbps stereo and 48,000hz. It seems the 48,000hz sticks but the audio caps out at 96 Kbps. So that said there seems to be some improvement to be had versus the stock camera application. As per my previous post this is in comparison to 44,100hz and 61 Kbps. I tried 96,000hz for kicks it does not work. AOSP has 2 channels enabled unlike stock but setting it to 1 or 2 doesnt have too much effect. I will have to test but if its writing 2 channels of mono audio it might be harmful to the quality since the overall bitrate is for both channels.
EDIT - The settings for the aosp camera vary wildly on our CM9 builds it seems every few days someone has changed this or that or maybe the source file has i do not know.

I have a friend at work with the S3.. We went to a concert together and the S3 audio was only about 25% better.. Samsung has crappy mics in their phones.. However I have a Samsung Samsung HMX-U20 hand held pocket cam and the sound recording at any concert is simply amazing.. But hate having to bring two devices to events.

changlo said:
I have a friend at work with the S3.. We went to a concert together and the S3 audio was only about 25% better.. Samsung has crappy mics in their phones.. However I have a Samsung Samsung HMX-U20 hand held pocket cam and the sound recording at any concert is simply amazing.. But hate having to bring two devices to events.
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Thanks for the update on the S3, glad I didn't get roped in and am waiting on the S4

[Q] Bad audio latency?

I've got a Galaxy S3 (hence why I'm in this part of the forums, heh)... I've tried CM11, LiquidSmooth, and now SlimBean... and I seem to have atrocious audio latency on all three (128ms according to Caustic 2). Since all three ROMs have exhibited the exact same audio latency, is there perhaps something else I need, like an OTA firmware update or the like, to fix the audio latency, or is JB on the SGS3 just this terrible with audio latency?
One of my friends is part of a small studio and gave me a copy of his game to try out, but it's a rhythm game... which as you can imagine is unplayable with 128ms audio latency

audio latency.
Doktor Jones said:
I've got a Galaxy S3 (hence why I'm in this part of the forums, heh)... I've tried CM11, LiquidSmooth, and now SlimBean... and I seem to have atrocious audio latency on all three (128ms according to Caustic 2). Since all three ROMs have exhibited the exact same audio latency, is there perhaps something else I need, like an OTA firmware update or the like, to fix the audio latency, or is JB on the SGS3 just this terrible with audio latency?
One of my friends is part of a small studio and gave me a copy of his game to try out, but it's a rhythm game... which as you can imagine is unplayable with 128ms audio latency
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Rather odd.. I have never experienced this myself on CM10 or TW or liquid smooth. I have had some problems with audio glitches in liquidsmooth, but found it was related to the ringtone and notification volume levels being linked. Have you tried installing anything like ac!d audio on any of the ROMs you have used or just used stock audio from the ROM?

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I've got a Galaxy S3 (hence why I'm in this part of the forums, heh)... I've tried CM11, LiquidSmooth, and now SlimBean... and I seem to have atrocious audio latency on all three (128ms according to Caustic 2). Since all three ROMs have exhibited the exact same audio latency, is there perhaps something else I need, like an OTA firmware update or the like, to fix the audio latency, or is JB on the SGS3 just this terrible with audio latency?
One of my friends is part of a small studio and gave me a copy of his game to try out, but it's a rhythm game... which as you can imagine is unplayable with 128ms audio latency
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I could be mistaken, but I think audio latency is an issue concerning not your phone, but Android itself. See here: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434
And just by doing a little research, it seems this company has fixed that and is looking to license the fix to device manufacturers: http://www.sonomawireworks.com/pr/android-low-latency-audio-solution.php
But honestly, I want Google to fix this. Or at least incorporate the fix themselves. The pitiful audio latency on every device I've had just makes me sad, especially as someone who has to use an iPhone 3G to use old versions of audio software that play faster, look nicer, and generally kick more ass than any audio apps on Android. Kinda makes my S3 look like a Kinda Smartphone compared to the almighty iPhone. Don't get me wrong, I love my device and the OS, but even casual phone users love to mess around with a free keyboard app, and bad latency will just send them away.

unfortunately ac!d didn't seem to affect the latency any... I really wish Google would fix it, or SOMEBODY...

getinnocuous said:
I could be mistaken, but I think audio latency is an issue concerning not your phone, but Android itself. See here: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434
And just by doing a little research, it seems this company has fixed that and is looking to license the fix to device manufacturers: http://www.sonomawireworks.com/pr/android-low-latency-audio-solution.php
But honestly, I want Google to fix this. Or at least incorporate the fix themselves. The pitiful audio latency on every device I've had just makes me sad, especially as someone who has to use an iPhone 3G to use old versions of audio software that play faster, look nicer, and generally kick more ass than any audio apps on Android. Kinda makes my S3 look like a Kinda Smartphone compared to the almighty iPhone. Don't get me wrong, I love my device and the OS, but even casual phone users love to mess around with a free keyboard app, and bad latency will just send them away.
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Very interesting.. I have not ran across this issue, but then again, I have not played a game most likely where i could definitely tell. As for the latency solution that Getinnocuous has written about. Have you tried that company's solution? And if you have, did it affect what you heard? Makes me want to check it out myself. The music on my phone sounded fine with Ac!d audio and Jet Audio player, but maybe it could be improved. I have heard the Iphone was superior in many audio facets. Do you hear this on phone calls as well?

dreamer609 said:
Very interesting.. I have not ran across this issue, but then again, I have not played a game most likely where i could definitely tell. As for the latency solution that Getinnocuous has written about. Have you tried that company's solution? And if you have, did it affect what you heard? Makes me want to check it out myself. The music on my phone sounded fine with Ac!d audio and Jet Audio player, but maybe it could be improved. I have heard the Iphone was superior in many audio facets. Do you hear this on phone calls as well?
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The problem is, they're apparently only licensing the technology out to developers; they have no end product that I can buy to try out

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The problem is, they're apparently only licensing the technology out to developers; they have no end product that I can buy to try out
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Yeah, I read this.. at first I was very hopeful when I read that link about a company looking to do that.. but the licensing could take awhile for there to be an app or something a user can install that can do this vs buying a new phone or device that has this built in... Very frustrating. Hopefully it becomes implemented in a user friendly way / update soon.