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How likely do you think an ATT Nexus is?

which carrier do you think is better......

At&t is the least "Android friendly" carrier so I would kind of be surprised. I know in the 3+ years I had them I hated every minute of it. I am soo happy with VZW and will never go back. I also know that this is only my experience and reception differs through out the country, but in Northern AL VZW is the only carrier worth having if you actually want a working device - I have full coverage and LTE almost everywhere I go. With At&t I had a bar and edge. Doesnt At&t have LTE in like 12 major cities only? What is the point?
EDIT: Yes VZW is more expensive but its worth it to me to actually be able to use my phone.

I didn't think att was so anti android. They had the atrix. A killer device and came out eons before (10 months?) the bionic, the all but brother to the atrix, and they have their own S2 and S2 lte. Even a nexus s. I'm not butting heads intentionally. But I also know in north jersey (15 miles from Verizon HQ) my hspa+ smokes Verizon 3g usually 3megs to .75. And call wise no body in my area has att problems. BUT I do hear about them from other locations. But I digress. I don't see why att is android unfriendly and why we should give up on lte from them just because its new. They have 1/6th the coverage Verizon has which is good for such a small time its been out. Also the lte switching on att kills lte when not in use and vice versa. Tremendous better savings vs big red. Just my thoughts
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Mrglass86 said:
I didn't think att was so anti android. They had the atrix. A killer device and came out eons before (10 months?) the bionic, the all but brother to the atrix, and they have their own S2 and S2 lte. Even a nexus s. I'm not butting heads intentionally. But I also know in north jersey (15 miles from Verizon HQ) my hspa+ smokes Verizon 3g usually 3megs to .75. And call wise no body in my area has att problems. BUT I do hear about them from other locations. But I digress. I don't see why att is android unfriendly and why we should give up on lte from them just because its new. They have 1/6th the coverage Verizon has which is good for such a small time its been out. Also the lte switching on att kills lte when not in use and vice versa. Tremendous better savings vs big red. Just my thoughts
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For the longest time, they locked down sideloading of apps. Thats pretty damn Android unfriendly.

I was under the impression that Verizon did too. Am I wrong?
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Nah, Verizon never did that. They like to bloat things up, but they do not lockdown sideloading or anything like that. Nor do they use CIQ like Sprint does on some of their devices.

adrynalyne said:
For the longest time, they locked down sideloading of apps. Thats pretty damn Android unfriendly.
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^^THIS^^
AND THEN.. You have AT&T disabling HSPA on their Android phones but leaving it enabled on the iDevices, all the time marketing their Androids as HSPA CAPABLE. They are unethical liars.
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I was under the impression that Verizon did too. Am I wrong?
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VZW never prevented sideloading.

well i appreciate the clarity, i guess as having a decent selection of androids to me made me feel that way,
ANYWAYS do we have any input on the topic? i feel like some people dont care, but we are talking about an awesome phone being offered to people at a lower cost, sim card use in america with a faster radio and possibly more storage, and a 1 year warranty in america, im not sure if att would even have the ability to hamper the nexus experience with this so does anyone care or do we just want to hate ATT?

T-Mobile.. cheaper, allows tethering/hotspots, no android restrictions... dont know why people put up with att and verizon

norazi said:
T-Mobile.. cheaper, allows tethering/hotspots, no android restrictions... dont know why people put up with att and verizon
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I pay the premium to actually have reception, Tmo & Att have none in my area.. VZW has reception everywhere, and LTE everywhere too (in my area). VZW doesnt have "Android restrictions", and Ive never paid for tethering on any carrier nor will I - I get that for free.

norazi said:
T-Mobile.. cheaper, allows tethering/hotspots, no android restrictions... dont know why people put up with att and verizon
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Because T-mobile's service is garbage in a lot of places? Because they have unlimited data on Verizon? Because Verizon actually carries the Galaxy Nexus and there is no trouble getting warranty support?
There is actually a no service area for T-mobile within city limits here.

4g=LTE???

So by far best phone on sprint is the et4g. Seeing sprint is turning to lte will the et4g be compatible to lte?
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Nope, the Epic Touch won't support LTE. It only supports WiMAX.
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No, and Sprint's turning off WiMax (what the E4GT, Evo, Evo 3D, Photon, and all Sprint 4G phones) use around 2015. I hate thinking about it but by then we'll be on to the SGS5.

E4GT LTE Rumor
I was just at a CORPORATE Sprint store getting my poor OG Epic repaired. While I was waiting, I asked about the Galaxy Nexus. I was told that the EPIC 4G TOUCH needed a firmware update, and it could then be used on the new LTE network by a Sprint salesperson in the store. Sounds official to me!!
J.

Jefe1 said:
I was just at a CORPORATE Sprint store getting my poor OG Epic repaired. While I was waiting, I asked about the Galaxy Nexus. I was told that the EPIC 4G TOUCH needed a firmware update, and it could then be used on the new LTE network by a Sprint salesperson in the store. Sounds official to me!!
J.
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I have asked a few of the sales reps and customer service people about this. They say that it is not going to be able to use the LTE service, and that it would need new hardware. And if I'm not mistaken, The wimax service that we currently use is from another company that sprint is with. So i'm not real sure how this will play out, but it is definitely not going to be able to use the LTE service.

Jefe1 said:
I was just at a CORPORATE Sprint store getting my poor OG Epic repaired. While I was waiting, I asked about the Galaxy Nexus. I was told that the EPIC 4G TOUCH needed a firmware update, and it could then be used on the new LTE network by a Sprint salesperson in the store. Sounds official to me!!
J.
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Note to you.....you are gullible....the hardware will not even sniff a lte signal.....thus would be like saying with a firmware upgrade your dvd player will play bluray..... The first CPU that Samsung has that can handle lte is the one going in the galaxy 3 ....that is why every galaxy 2 that had lte was omap or snapdragon....the CPU in our phone is incompatible
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Get off my ass dude... What about Samsung's Droid Charge. There, your credibility is already shot!
Anyway, apparently there is an inactive 800 Mhz radio in the E4GT. Rumor has it is that is the way it can be accomplished. It remains to be seen, but remember the Motorola Xoom? Same principle I guess...
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Jefe1 said:
Get off my ass dude... What about Samsung's Droid Charge. There, your credibility is already shot!
Anyway, apparently there is an inactive 800 Mhz radio in the E4GT. Rumor has it is that is the way it can be accomplished. It remains to be seen, but remember the Motorola Xoom? Same principle I guess...
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A) The Droid Charge doesn't have an Exynos processor in it like the Galaxy S II
B) The Exynos does NOT do LTE, which is why the Skyrocket and AT&T Galaxy Note have Snapdragon S3s in them, not Exynos.
C) He's right. You're not going to magically get LTE with a WiMax radio or even the built in CDMA radio. It doesn't matter if LTE is going to be transmitted on that frequency; the phone's modem won't understand what LTE is.
D) The Xoom actually had it's original radio REPLACED by Motorola, in addition to a software update. You had to send your Xoom to Motorola for them to physically open it up and add/replace the LTE radio.
E) It requires a SIM card, which the E4GT doesn't have a slot for.
Done.

IRead and understand that 800 mhz radio is cdma like the evo 3d for voice and 3g that is it ...when they decommission the iden frequencies they may put voice on the frequencies but there its no chance of lte on this phone .....none .... go read the other 4 threads already about this ....
And i will not lump all sprint employees in the same boat but 95 % of sprint employees are legally brain dead..... Just a joke ... But they know nothing about phones or the network...you will get the correct info here way before a sprint employee.... But some regional managers and such actually have some info but salesmen etc at stores even customer service have no clue
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Epix4G said:
IRead and understand that 800 mhz radio is cdma like the evo 3d for voice and 3g that is it ...when they decommission the iden frequencies they may put voice on the frequencies but there its no chance of lte on this phone .....none .... go read the other 4 threads already about this ....
And i will not lump all sprint employees in the same boat but 95 % of sprint employees are legally brain dead..... Just a joke ... But they know nothing about phones or the network...you will get the correct info here way before a sprint employee.... But some regional managers and such actually have some info but salesmen etc at stores even customer service have no clue
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I was a technician in a Sprint store and I agree with the bolded statement 100%.
And you're right about no chance of LTE on any current Sprint phone.

Product F(RED) said:
A) The Droid Charge doesn't have an Exynos processor in it like the Galaxy S II
B) The Exynos does NOT do LTE, which is why the Skyrocket and AT&T Galaxy Note have Snapdragon S3s in them, not Exynos.
C) He's right. You're not going to magically get LTE with a WiMax radio or even the built in CDMA radio. It doesn't matter if LTE is going to be transmitted on that frequency; the phone's modem won't understand what LTE is.
D) The Xoom actually had it's original radio REPLACED by Motorola, in addition to a software update. You had to send your Xoom to Motorola for them to physically open it up and add/replace the LTE radio.
E) It requires a SIM card, which the E4GT doesn't have a slot for.
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The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.

Guys, ALL 4g devices will work just not on 4g LTE network. They just don't download at LTE speeds. You gotta remember that LTE is still a 4g based network. So, we are talking about downloading at 5mb/s or 10mb/s. At those speeds, it really doesn't matter unless you are trying to stream 5 porns in high quality at once lol. Same thing as 1x/2g still working but 3g is preferred.

Djspinister said:
The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
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Actually you lose because the Photon has both the WiMax and the LTE radios built in the LTE just isnt activated...

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The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
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The Photon most definitely does NOT have an LTE modem installed. I don't know where you think you got your info. It has the bece3502 chipset which is WiMax ONLY. On top of that, if you read the FCC filings it has only passed for use with WiMax, not LTE. So YOU lose, and you are the one who should research before you speak. ROFL

Djspinister said:
The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
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I thanked you by mistake, but I just wanted you to know, I was a technician at Sprint...I have all the research I need. My job was to open up and repair phones. The Photon does not have an LTE modem. Please show me where you read that it does. And please no, XDA threads with speculation about it. I want solid evidence, like an official spec sheet that says so.

Product F(RED) said:
I thanked you by mistake, but I just wanted you to know, I was a technician at Sprint...I have all the research I need. My job was to open up and repair phones. The Photon does not have an LTE modem. Please show me where you read that it does. And please no, XDA threads with speculation about it. I want solid evidence, like an official spec sheet that says so.
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This is the same misconception as the epic touch and evo3d just because they were made to work on the 800 mhz frequency...they think the cdma radio will pick up lte signal.... Its actually really funny how they argue like they really know
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Product F(RED) said:
I thanked you by mistake, but I just wanted you to know, I was a technician at Sprint...I have all the research I need. My job was to open up and repair phones. The Photon does not have an LTE modem. Please show me where you read that it does. And please no, XDA threads with speculation about it. I want solid evidence, like an official spec sheet that says so.
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Plug it in people. Sprint may not update the firmware to allow it, but it does have one. You girls can fight about whatever you want, I know the truth, and it doesn't matter if you think it will or not, I was just giving people the correct info. Flame me or whatever, I know what I see, and I know what is in the photon. If you in fact did take photons apart then you would know as well. This has already been discussed in many other threads so I will stop beating the horse. Peace.
All this talk about the photon and I bet not one of you actually owned one. lol
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Epix4G said:
This is the same misconception as the epic touch and evo3d just because they were made to work on the 800 mhz frequency...they think the cdma radio will pick up lte signal.... Its actually really funny how they argue like they really know
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Its amazing the people they let in these forums. I'm glad you like to tell people what they think, good stuff. I never once said anything about the cdma modem working as an lte modem. But hey you can create statements however you want.

Djspinister said:
Plug it in people. Sprint may not update the firmware to allow it, but it does have one. You girls can fight about whatever you want, I know the truth, and it doesn't matter if you think it will or not, I was just giving people the correct info. Flame me or whatever, I know what I see, and I know what is in the photon. If you in fact did take photons apart then you would know as well. This has already been discussed in many other threads so I will stop beating the horse. Peace.
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The LTE modem is left over from the Verizon Bionic. The hardware simply isn't there.
I can install AMD GPU drivers on my computer all I want.... but it won't give me the hardware.

Epix4G said:
Note to you.....you are gullible....the hardware will not even sniff a lte signal.....thus would be like saying with a firmware upgrade your dvd player will play bluray..... The first CPU that Samsung has that can handle lte is the one going in the galaxy 3 ....that is why every galaxy 2 that had lte was omap or snapdragon....the CPU in our phone is incompatible
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You mean the Galaxy Nexus...

all of you are so silly! of COURSE our etouch will work with lte! why would sprint release a device designed for a specific technology, and then piss on the ENTIRE customer base of wimax owners by not only HALTING the development of wimax, but then switching to a completely diff technology our device would NEVER have the capability of working with?
common sense...

So what phone do I upgrade to??

Okay so after months of complaining about service and one FCC complaint Sprint is letting me out of my contract. My service is beyond poor, and from all the research I have done it seems to affect everyone in my area, (Detroit) You would think Sprint would do a little better in a major city. I have until September 15th to find a new carrier.
Now, I love my S2, it is my first high end Android and I will only buy high end phones from now on... I am hooked.
Now being in Detroit my options are (4g is a must)
Verizon (LTE)
ATT (HSPA +)
T Mobile (HSPA+)
And to further complicate matters
MetroPCS (LTE)
Now,... not certain but I suspect that part of my reception issues with Sprint are caused by the less than stellar radio in the 4g touch. My first reaction was to buy a Verizon S3 but then I started having second thoughts because Motorola and HTC are known for better radios... damn.
I am currently running the hacked Verizon PRL allowing me to get Verizon 3G, it still pretty much sucks for me but still 10x faster than Sprint. I get from 100 to 500 Kbps. (But also get better voice and no dropped calls)
Now.. my whole point of wanting a fast internet connection is so I can browse the web and stream video at work.. and I work in a large industrial building made in 1940 with REAL bricks and stuff. None of that plastic modern crap,
From what I understand LTE signals have a hard time penetrating buildings... so it should have twice as much work to penetrate mine.
I have been playing with EVERYONE'S phone I know at work so I can test there internet speed... I think people at work think I lost my mind.
Unfortunately I work with cheapskates so the only 4G I was able to play with was MetroPCS which has a hit and miss 4G signal at work depending on the location in the building. I did get to play with one T Mobile HSPA+ phone and it got 2 MBPS down.. (I THINK that's enough to stream Netflix?)
Does HSPA+ penetrate buildings better than 4G LTE??
Now.. MetroPCS phones are generally pretty crappy and as of yet I don't think there is a way to flash over to them with working 4G, however...
there is a strong and somewhat substantiated rumor that the S3 is coming to MetroPCS before the end of the year. Okay.. this sounds almost perfect as I live and work in a very strong MetroPCS LTE area. Now I am back to my original concern that the S3 wont pull in the signal as well as other phones and is the only phone this carrier almost has that I would consider.
Now as far as the other carriers go I have the standard selection of phones... I just want a smoking hot phone with a large screen with a equally smoking hot radio. (is that so wrong?)
I know you guys cant give me a definitive answer about this because its all about my location and the location of the towers but I have researched phones and services until my eyes started bleeding and appreciated any educated guesses and advice. The only carrier I have any experience with is Sprint and MetroPCS and I have never had working 4G before. I want it so bad that I am willing to pay Verizon's prices if need be. On the other hand I have heard some people say that the Radio on the S3 is slightly improved... so if I could get an S3 on MetroPCS with unlimited 4G that would be awesome.
Buying a phone can be harder than buying a damn house.

I wouldn't get the gs3 on vzw its locked up tight so no rooting/modifications. I personally wouldn't go to vzw period, if i had to switch of go with TMo or AT&T in that order for TMo I'm not current on all the devices but I'd go with the gs3 or one s idk how HTC is with the bootloader tho, I know the one x and evolte are a pain in the ass to root. On att I'd go with the gs3 or gNote, although your other option would be to buy an unlocked device like the.gNex and use it on TMo or ATT prepaid which is what I would do personally. I'd get an unlocked gNex directly from Google and use it on TMos unlimited prepaid plan
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Gnex for me

I'm in metro Detroit too, and feel your pain. Data speeds have dropped to a slow drip over the last couple years (not that they were ever fast here). I'm leaning toward tmobile when I get bounced. Probably an S3.

It's not the radio's really you have to worry about when it comes to building penetrations. It's the frequency the network runs on. Verizon has great building penetration with 3g and LTE because Verizon owns most of the good low frequency. If you want good 4g and good building penetration Verizon is the way to go. But, you will pay good money for it. I don't know how much Metro has improved but, I have a friend who has Metro in the heart of a city that Metro is supposed to be good in. He always call me from his home phone because his service is weak.
As far as phones are concerned Verizon has the Gnex but I would try to get the unlocked Galaxy S3. I'm not sure if they are available to anyone but I read on Engadget a few weeks back that they were going to sell them for Verizon.
Just my 2cents. Good luck though.

i too probably will not be on sprint much longer due to signal, or rather lack there of... its my intention when I'm free to skip major carriers all together and use a month to month prepay provider that uses att's network... att and Verizon offer the best coverage in my area but I find their prices to be outlandish... by going with a prepay provider on att's network I'm getting the same good coverage for $45/mo, I can buy awesome phones for a very reasonable price directly from Google play, and as att is GSM I don't need to worry about my nexus experance being ruined like those on cdma networks do... lastly should I want something other than a nexus device I'll be able to buy used phones off of eBay/Craigslist without having to worry about asinine ESN's anymore, more than once sprint customer service has told me an ESN is clear, so I bought the phone, only later to find out that it was not when trying to activate it... not cool... actually I also just realized I could simply put aside the 60-70 I'll be saving a month on the bill and just buy the newest cutting edge device at full retail every 9 months with my savings... upgrade every two years?hah...
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I only get average of 300Kb/s, where do you find the Verizon PRL and tutorial?
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I would just stick with sprint for may be 2-3 more months. I am sure Detroit will get the network upgrades sooner than later. You can also check scheduled upgrades on network.sprint.com website. But then again I understand how much it would suck for you with bad connection 24x7.
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Rich3077, I am in the same situation as you and will be switching to Verizon as soon as the next round of phones are released (iPhone 5, next Nexus, etc.). The current lineup of phones only has the S3 that's new, pretty much everything else is a little old and lacking (GNex's camera, no SD card, and no GSM). With my experience with the S2 and Samsung's/Sprint's radio quality, and generally delayed OS upgrades I am really hoping that I don't have to buy another Samsung-branded phone again, and that the next Nexus is better than the current and previous Samsung versions.
Plus, it's starting to sound like we might actually start to see quad core phones with LTE. If you can, I would suggest waiting two to three months before you pull the trigger.

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I only get average of 300Kb/s, where do you find the Verizon PRL and tutorial?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
This is the thread I got the Verizon PRL's from, as well as instructions. You may have to try a few of them before you find one that works for you.
Thanks everyone for your reply's.. choices suck right now because as soon as I find a phone that has acceptable hardware I find out that it has a non replaceable battery or no SD card slot. What the hell are the manufactures thinking?? Its gonna cost me a bundle because I have 3 phones on my plan but even if I gotta pay full retail for phones I will if I can just get good service as well as a hot phone.

Rich3077 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
This is the thread I got the Verizon PRL's from, as well as instructions. You may have to try a few of them before you find one that works for you.
Thanks everyone for your reply's.. choices suck right now because as soon as I find a phone that has acceptable hardware I find out that it has a non replaceable battery or no SD card slot. What the hell are the manufactures thinking?? Its gonna cost me a bundle because I have 3 phones on my plan but even if I gotta pay full retail for phones I will if I can just get good service as well as a hot phone.
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Look for a good unlocked GSM phone and use something like TMos prepaid plan, their unlimited is throttled after 5gb but u still get around 2-3mbps down on 4g
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Rich3077 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
This is the thread I got the Verizon PRL's from, as well as instructions. You may have to try a few of them before you find one that works for you.
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I've been trying to a couple different.. I tried 00001, 00002 and 01337 and none of them gave me more than 300kb/s burst and 60kb/s normal. But I guess ill try them all.

hrffd said:
I've been trying to a couple different.. I tried 00001, 00002 and 01337 and none of them gave me more than 300kb/s burst and 60kb/s normal. But I guess ill try them all.
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Try 11115
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If I were not on contract, the $30 T-Mobile/Walmart plan with a $350 Galaxy Nexus from Google Play would be awfully tempting. Only catch is you only get 100 minutes. Given the fact that I average about 50 minutes a month anyway, I don't consider this a problem.
You would have to give up your LTE dreams. HSPA+ ain't so bad, is it?

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Try 11115
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Damn, 11119 is getting 1mb-2mb/s. Not sure if I want to try the others or not now lol
Auto: Domestic and Int'l is selected for Roaming.

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Damn, 11119 is getting 1mb-2mb/s. Not sure if I want to try the others or not now lol
Auto: Domestic and Int'l is selected for Roaming.
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The 1111x series are the best I always had good results with 11115 on my evo but now I don't need to do the prl hack cuz my sprint 3g is 1+mbps on peak and 2+mbps off peak
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I agree with evils first suggestion. Get the unlocked galaxy nexus and use it on att or tmobile.
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bparkerson04 said:
I agree with evils first suggestion. Get the unlocked galaxy nexus and use it on att or tmobile.
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Yeah if I had to switch from sprint I'd eat the cost of an unlocked device up front to go prepaid cuz all the other carriers are so damn expensive on contract, hell you can use straight talk prepaid or any GSM prepaid plan with an unlocked device and getting the unlocked gnex from Google guarantees you speedy updates that work right
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FYI, it doesn't look like you are looking at Verizon S3, but in case if that thought crossed your mind, be aware that the S3 on Verizon has a locked bootloader. Given that you are on xda I am assuming that you probably care about this.
http://www.androidauthority.com/ver...3-locked-bootloader-developer-edition-100550/

[Q] [Vote] Should I buy the US or international Note 2?

So I listed my Note 2 i717 on craiglist and someone offered me 600$ for it. I'm considering selling it and buying an international note 2. However I'd lose my LTE capability and it's not easy to blow 700 on a new toy. Or should I wait for the US note 2 and get it on contract for the rumored 199? That would give me LTE but degrade my battery life. You guys know the differences obviously. If I wait though and try to sell my note I'm not sure I'd be able to get the same kind of money as I can now. What do you guys think I should do?

someone offered you $600 for your 1st gen at&t note??? take it and don't look back.
i would assume that samsung would give you the ability to turn off 4G.
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So I listed my Note 2 i717 on craiglist and someone offered me 600$ for it. I'm considering selling it and buying an international note 2. However I'd lose my LTE capability and it's not easy to blow 700 on a new toy. Or should I wait for the US note 2 and get it on contract for the rumored 199? That would give me LTE but degrade my battery life. You guys know the differences obviously. If I wait though and try to sell my note I'm not sure I'd be able to get the same kind of money as I can now. What do you guys think I should do?
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Yea if someone wants to buy your N1 for what an N2 cost go for it!
could allways just hold on to the money for awile and see if the LTE is coming soon.
what are you doing on your phone.. really need LTE?

Well the thing is the buyer is from over an hour away and as much as I would love to go sell it to him the price of gas and tolls would have to be taken into consideration. I don't use LTE since it's not even in my town yet and I'd prefer to have the better battery life so that's why I'm leaning more towards the international note.

Sounds like a scam to me.
You can get a brand new Note 1 for $500 + tax at neweggs. Unlocked.

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Sounds like a scam to me.
You can get a brand new Note 1 for $500 + tax at neweggs. Unlocked.
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I got alot of accessories with it.... Clearplex, 15+ cases all different colors, extra samsung battery, 2 amp charger, charging wire, dock, and a second battery cover.

It's kinda your call bro. But I'm pretty sure if you don't have lte in your area it won't drain the battery any faster. You can even turn lte off to make sure it doesn't even try to scan for it. As far as craigslist I'd be careful and meet them somewhere decently public to avoid getting robbed or something it sounds almost like a too good to be true deal even with all your extras. So tell them to meet you some place relatively public then gauge how they respond and act accordingly.
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Clienterror said:
It's kinda your call bro. But I'm pretty sure if you don't have lte in your area it won't drain the battery any faster. You can even turn lte off to make sure it doesn't even try to scan for it. As far as craigslist I'd be careful and meet them somewhere decently public to avoid getting robbed or something it sounds almost like a too good to be true deal even with all your extras. So tell them to meet you some place relatively public then gauge how they respond and act accordingly.
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It still has the LTE chip in it so of course it's going to use more battery then the international version. I wish I had the option on my phone to disable LTE but it doesn't work. The toggle is there for 2g networks only but it doesn't do anything. I know it sounds too good to be true but the guy just text me again about 20 minutes ago asking if I got it unlocked yet. I always meet in a public place, I'm not stupid and I bring 3 guys with me just in case. You never know.

mazdamiata210 said:
It still has the LTE chip in it so of course it's going to use more battery then the international version.
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... No.
Just sell your old Note, wait for the AT&T Note 2 release.

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... No.
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So the AT&T note 2 doesn't have an LTE chip it in? It magically gets LTE signal and the international one doesn't is what you're saying?

what he's saying is: no, having the LTE chip in the phone does -not- automatically mean more battery drain. sorry but i don't know why you are having trouble with that concept..
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So the AT&T note 2 doesn't have an LTE chip it in? It magically gets LTE signal and the international one doesn't is what you're saying?
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mobilebuddha said:
what he's saying is: no, having the LTE chip in the phone does -not- automatically mean more battery drain. sorry but i don't know why you are having trouble with that concept..
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Of course it does. Compare the battery life on the international s3 to the AT&T one. Look at the professional video reviews of the note 2 from big companies. They all mention how once it gets LTE and comes to the states they aren't sure how much of the battery life will be degraded but it will be some amount.

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Of course it does. Compare the battery life on the international s3 to the AT&T one. Look at the professional video reviews of the note 2 from big companies. They all mention how once it gets LTE and comes to the states they aren't sure how much of the battery life will be degraded but it will be some amount.
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Not arguing with your statement, even though I would have something to say about it, comparing the "international s3 to the AT&T one" is apples to oranges when referring to one chip being different when it's a completely different soc.

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Of course it does. Compare the battery life on the international s3 to the AT&T one. Look at the professional video reviews of the note 2 from big companies. They all mention how once it gets LTE and comes to the states they aren't sure how much of the battery life will be degraded but it will be some amount.
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My interpretation of those reviews is that using LTE will decrease battery life. Disabling LTE will bring it right back to what international models are seeing. I think this is what the other forum member was referring to.
Daniel

dachness said:
My interpretation of those reviews is that using LTE will decrease battery life. Disabling LTE will bring it right back to what international models are seeing. I think this is what the other forum member was referring to.
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You can't turn off LTE on any US Samsung phone. I'm running a custom rom and the option is there but it does nothing.
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mazdamiata210 said:
You can't turn off LTE on any US Samsung phone. I'm running a custom rom and the option is there but it does nothing.
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Really? I'm on a Verizon s3 with a cm10 rom and it's in settings- more - mobile networks - network mode. Or you can just toggle it off with a 3rd party app. Or you can type in the dial pad to get to the service menu (I forget the number). Or download the app "phone info" from the market. Turning off LTE is the same as your WiFi, Bluetooth, or NFC it can be turned off to save power.
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Really? I'm on a Verizon s3 with a cm10 rom and it's in settings- more - mobile networks - network mode. Or you can just toggle it off with a 3rd party app. Or you can type in the dial pad to get to the service menu (I forget the number). Or download the app "phone info" from the market. Turning off LTE is the same as your WiFi, Bluetooth, or NFC it can be turned off to save power.
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I should have said any AT&T phone. The option is there but it does nothing.
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I should have said any AT&T phone. The option is there but it does nothing.
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Yep, more than likely AT&T will not allow you the choice to disable LTE. If you are connected to LTE, your battery life will suffer.
If you don't mind losing LTE speeds then go for it. Also, you never know if the US version is going to have a locked bootloader or what other stupid things US carriers do to their devices. Also, dev support is already great on the N7100. You'll get updates a ton faster. I received my device on Monday and couldn't be happier. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't wait for AT&T release theirs.

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Yep, more than likely AT&T will not allow you the choice to disable LTE. If you are connected to LTE, your battery life will suffer.
If you don't mind losing LTE speeds then go for it. Also, you never know if the US version is going to have a locked bootloader or what other stupid things US carriers do to their devices. Also, dev support is already great on the N7100. You'll get updates a ton faster. I received my device on Monday and couldn't be happier. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't wait for AT&T release theirs.
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Do you experience fast dormancy using the international note 2 on at&t?

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Yep, more than likely AT&T will not allow you the choice to disable LTE. If you are connected to LTE, your battery life will suffer.
If you don't mind losing LTE speeds then go for it. Also, you never know if the US version is going to have a locked bootloader or what other stupid things US carriers do to their devices. Also, dev support is already great on the N7100. You'll get updates a ton faster. I received my device on Monday and couldn't be happier. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't wait for AT&T release theirs.
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See, I agree with you totally when it comes to the community dev support. Personally, I haven't yet been spoiled by LTE, so I suppose ignorance is bliss so far. However, this does bring up a point that I have been trying to shout from the rooftops in this forum, and not many people seem to understand what I'm shouting, so here goes again:
The international LTE Note 2 (N7105) does NOT have LTE radios compatible with AT&T's service frequencies.
The AT&T Note 2, supposedly, will be exactly identical to the international N7105 from a hardware standpoint, with the exception of the LTE radio.
Theory:
Considering the vast similarities between the N7105 and the AT&T Note 2, firmware between the two devices should be compatible. Thus, it should be possible to flash the N7105 firmware onto the AT&T Note 2, and then, for LTE functionality, separately flash the modem.bin driver from the AT&T firmware.
This is what people did with the T-Mobile OG Galaxy Tab in order to get Phone calling and 3G functionality.
Perhaps this is the best of all worlds? A pseudo-international Note 2, running unlocked international firmware, while also having the hardware and driver functionality of North American domestic LTE!

Is there any LTE enabling hacks for T999? T-Mobile USA

I've read YES, I've read NO...?
Is there anyway to enable and use LTE on the T999 on T-Mobile?
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Try going to Canada that's the only place that uses the same LTE frequency that T-Mobile will be using. Might work like the Nexus 4
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The T-Mobile network does not have LTE rolled out yet, but the hardware does support LTE.
I'm sure the way to enable LTE will include flashing a new radio, though I'm not aware of any that will enable LTE without bricking the phone or killing data communication on the SGH-T999 specifically.
Edit: So far it would seem that the LTE supposedly in this phone doesn't run on the same frequency spectrum that T-Mobile plans to use for LTE.

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The T-Mobile network does not have LTE rolled out yet, but the hardware does support LTE.
I'm sure the way to enable LTE will include flashing a new radio, though I'm not aware of any that will enable LTE without bricking the phone or killing data communication on the SGH-T999 specifically.
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Says who? I really think people should just drop this subject. And every thread started needs to be closed. There are plenty of threads about this
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The T-Mobile network does not have LTE rolled out yet, but the hardware does support LTE.
I'm sure the way to enable LTE will include flashing a new radio, though I'm not aware of any that will enable LTE without bricking the phone or killing data communication on the SGH-T999 specifically.
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Can you support this info?
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Samsung says the tmobile s3 is capable of the lte... tmobile says its not... ill trust the people who actually made the phone
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Can you support this info?
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@woostar88
I've spent probably two hours in the last few days purely searching and reading whatever specs I can grab, including for FCC ID A3LSGHT999. Every time I'm sure, something knocks me back down to unsure status. It's especially confusing when Samsung, the maker of the phone and the Snapdragon platform it runs on, says it does support LTE - then T-Mobile comes in and says nope (and that it's based on the Snapdragon MSM8260 instead? wtf?).
While they are contradicting their hardware vendor, they have support reps saying both yes and no. No wonder nobody knows anything,
but I'm determined now.
Unfortunately for me I'm not as privy as I should be to the massive amount of terminology and mobile spectrum standards that have been bestowed upon us, but a little more research should bring me up to speed.
My answer until I have a better one is that yes it very much is an MSM8960, and yes, it does support LTE.
No, the LTE this hardware supposedly supports is not using the same frequency spectrum that T-Mobile in the US eventually will (like snoopy1e11 said in this thread).

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clninja said:
Samsung says the tmobile s3 is capable of the lte... tmobile says its not... ill trust the people who actually made the phone
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Of course T-Mobile says it doesn't support LTE. They'll do what they did with the Vibrant. Sell a boat load of them and then release a slightly updated version with full LTE radio. I trust Samsung before TMO anyday.
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newageoutlaw said:
Of course T-Mobile says it doesn't support LTE. They'll do what they did with the Vibrant. Sell a boat load of them and then release a slightly updated version with full LTE radio. I trust Samsung before TMO anyday.
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For all of you saying it's going to support lte, and that our chip is the same as att, answer me this:
Why can we not unlock our device, place a att SIM card into it, register it on att network, and access lte on att network? If all our devices have that same chip that supports lte as you all are claiming, why can't we do this?
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elesbb said:
For all of you saying it's going to support lte, and that our chip is the same as att, answer me this:
Why can we not unlock our device, place a att SIM card into it, register it on att network, and access lte on att network? If all our devices have that same chip that supports lte as you all are claiming, why can't we do this?
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Your first three points have no influence from the chip design; The (in)ability to unlock a device is controlled by software, the (in)ability to use a SIM card from another provider (which is generally the exact same hardware) is controlled by software, and the (in)ability to register it to another provider's network is controlled by software, as long as the hardware radio chipset can speak the network's frequency and mobile protocol.
I don't know off-hand why it won't connect to AT&T's LTE. I'm also not an electronics expert but I can imagine that these chipsets can be controlled with firmware to restrict the frequencies the radio may generate or receive, effectively locking it to a provided number of frequencies assigned to the mobile operator.

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Says who? I really think people should just drop this subject. And every thread started needs to be closed. There are plenty of threads about this
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100% agreed.
The best arguments for and against have already been made. All i see this doing is mirroring all other threads on the same topic. Tempers may flare, infractions might be made, all because no one wants to be wrong and cant wait a year or two when the subject actually becomes relavent.
Search and read. Hint: general section.
It can be disabled on both the hw and sw side. In the end it doesn't matter because the T999 was never certified/cleared by the FCC for LTE. So they'd either have to go back through the process or be fined for breaking the law.
I'm convinced it won't happen, but to each his own opinion.
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The only reason that the tmobile t999 has any LTE files in it is because all the carriers have the same base rom then stack their crap on top of it! I know how to read code and if you break down most of the apps in the phone they will have provisions for all carriers, not just tmobile. Tmobile doesnt even have LTE towers yet so the answer is still no

evil1art said:
The only reason that the tmobile t999 has any LTE files in it is because all the carriers have the same base rom then stack their crap on top of it! I know how to read code and if you break down most of the apps in the phone they will have provisions for all carriers, not just tmobile. Tmobile doesnt even have LTE towers yet so the answer is still no
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In a few select places, T-Mo has LTE. In fact, they'll be sharing towers with Verizon.
But, the true answer to whether or not the T999 can get LTE or not is, gram crackers and apple juice. Yep.

Don_Perrignon said:
In a few select places, T-Mo has LTE. In fact, they'll be sharing towers with Verizon.
But, the true answer to whether or not the T999 can get LTE or not is, gram crackers and apple juice. Yep.
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You're way off... Verizon and T-Mobile are two completely different technologies when it comes to their towers.. unless there is no difference in GSM lte versus cdma lte,
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elesbb said:
You're way off... Verizon and T-Mobile are two completely different technologies when it comes to their towers.. unless there is no difference in GSM lte versus cdma lte,
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Yes, I know, as everyone else, that one is GSM and another is CDMA.
But, fact is that T-Mobile are Verizon are swapping frequencies with one another. What I'm confused about is if this means they're literally using the same towers or if each carrier has so many licenses of certain frequencies and now they're giving up some of those licenses.
I'm confused.
But, what I do know is that:
1. The two are swapping frequencies with one another.
2.Verizon does use GSM LTE.
3. Gram crackers and apple juice determine whether or not the T999 can get LTE.

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Yes, I know, as everyone else, that one is GSM and another is CDMA.
But, fact is that T-Mobile are Verizon are swapping frequencies with one another. What I'm confused about is if this means they're literally using the same towers or if each carrier has so many licenses of certain frequencies and now they're giving up some of those licenses.
I'm confused.
But, what I do know is that:
1. The two are swapping frequencies with one another.
2.Verizon does use GSM LTE.
3. Gram crackers and apple juice determine whether or not the T999 can get LTE.
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Its simply a spectrum swap. They're not using each others towers. At least not for anything other than roaming services. Tmobile and Verizon will both be able to use this to provide better and more widely available service and coverage to more people. But they will be using tbe newly aquired spectrum on their own towers and equipment. Not each others.
Its one if the conditions Verizon agreed to for FCC approval. Tmobile swaps a small bit of their licensed spectum along with "cash and other concessions" in exchange.
Good for Verizon, good for Tmobile, good for consumers is the reason the FCC made it a condition. Thats how I understand it anyway.
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Its simply a spectrum swap. They're not using each others towers. At least not for anything other than roaming services. Tmobile and Verizon will both be able to use this to provide better and more widely available service and coverage to more people. But they will be using tbe newly aquired spectrum on their own towers and equipment. Not each others.
Its one if the conditions Verizon agreed to for FCC approval. Tmobile swaps a small bit of their licensed spectum along with "cash and other concessions" in exchange.
Good for Verizon, good for Tmobile, good for consumers is the reason the FCC made it a condition. Thats how I understand it anyway.
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So, then it's a matter of each carrier having so many licenses to certain spectrums... Like I have 600,000 licenses of something and you have 700,000 of another and we give each other 300,000? Is that kind of what's going on here?

Sort of, but Im not sure it works entirely like that.
I do know that Tmobile received enough to support approximately 60 million new customers in 15 of the top 25 markets, while Verizon received enough to support 22 million, plus cash and such.
I don't really know how the licensing works, but I don't think it goes by the number of users or anything like that, but by frequency ranges. Id imagine theres more to it than just you give me x and I give you y though.
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Such hostility in here over a easy to answer question.
In short:
No there is not a way to enable it, as it has not been implemented by t mo just yet.
Yes it will require a radio update.
Yes the s3 (even the t mo version) is LTE capable.
Was that it or did I miss another question?