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Hi!
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
Something, that I launch, I put my phone on the desk, have a tea meanwhile, and it's drained! Something, that turns on wifi, do some downloading, browsing, video playing, or whatever, and does it automatically without supervision. Does such app exists?
I'll second this, it'd be nice to have an app do this for me and maybe even give us some interesting stats from it?
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why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
Adevem said:
why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
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Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
Soniboy84 said:
Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
Byr0x said:
not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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+1 If you had been reading around...you would know Lithium Ion batteries are designed to 'maximize' their efficiency within about two weeks of 'top up' charging. Cycle-charging is generally considered a less efficient method of charging. You will need to 'TopUp charge' this means charging as much and as often as possible. If your battery is at 89% for instance and you find yourself near a socket, plug your adapter in and charge it up to 100%. After a few days of doing this you will notice an improvement in the life of your battery when you are not able to charge.
Actually,,,
It is not matter of running your battery down to 0%.
It is ok to run it down till phone does to power on itself.
As you know battery is a single cell Li-Ion @ 3.7v
when it is fully charged it's peak voltage is 4.2v
By the time battery mah is drained down (galaxy s has 1500mah)
battery voltage should be around 3.2~3.4v range. this will depend on condition of the battery.
Battery should never go below 3.2v personally, 3.4v is my cut off.
If your battery voltage goes below 3.2v... it's time for a new battery as this kind of voltage will damage your battery, either it will leak or puff (battery will actually get bloated.
Phone has a voltage cut off so it will not over charge over 4.2v but if it does, it will likely start to smoke and catch fire.
I am sure anyone who is into electric Radio control knows all about these batteries.
Oh btw,,, long time storage voltage should be 3.8v
You'll be asking how do I know what voltage my battery is... I personallly don't know of any apps but GPS Status actually shows the temperature & voltage of your battery.
Soniboy84 said:
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
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First, take into consideration the comments above regarding deep discharge of your battery...but, to answer your question, there's an app in the market place called 'Battery Refresh' which attempts to drain your battery quicker.
Well if it's all true above than its a good sign, and thanks for the info! I'm not an expert but in the old times I remember batteries had to discharged completely, maybe even if it's just a few times. Now somebody can also tell me why my battery is discharging when it's plugged in the socket with original charger? All I do is using the internet, and has. nimbuzz and a live wallpaper on. :S
You could probably enable the GPS/BT/WIFI ( connected to a router ) and run the interactive mode on Neocore benchmark.. that should enable most of the hardware components on the phone and stress the GPU/CPU.. probably would see a 25% battery drain for every 35-40mins.
I don't know what has changed with the batteries but as far as I know...
it is good to discharge new batteries 3~4 times down until phone does not power on.
Like I have said... it's about the voltage of the battery, not whether battery has any juice left in it or not.
These batteries have a protective circuitry so that it will not charge over 4.2v,
also as for discharge it is usually down to 3v but usually with a charger/discharger units that can control mah/volts/amps. With typical usage from the phone, it'll likely be discharged down to about 3.2`3.4v. Which is very safe.
You can do whatever you feel but I personally do this to every batteries I have for phone and every batteries I use with my radio controled cars.
For my RC cars, I have about 6 batteries ranging from 1cell to 3cell LiPo packs.
Each cell is 3.7volts.
But you don't have to force discharge and hurry the process.
Just use the phone normally and let it run down to nothing... than recharge to full peak.
Than again, choice is yours.
I'm looking for the same kind of applications. It's very useful for recalibrating your battery. Wipe the battery history then do a full cycle.
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The old saying in RC Helicopters was that the difference between discharging 50% and 100% was the difference between getting 500 uses and 5 uses.
You should certainly avoid ever fully dischaging any lithium based battery.
Older nickel batteries (Ni-cd, Ni-MH) required full dischage cycles to get rid of memory the the metals pertained, lithium-ion and lithium-ion-polymer not only do not require this; but doing so will damage them.
And yes, the older ipods came with Nimh cells and they did reccomended full discharge cycles.
Im pretty sure the idea was to try not to let the voltage get below 3.5v/cell and never below 3.3. Dead flat is 3 or 2.85 which is when the battery simply cant produce any real current. The phone should have circuitry though to not let the voltage get above 4.25 or below ~3.5.. If the low battery warning comes on, set the brightness to dim, and stop any activities (unless its a phone call, its not THAT important but if youre playing games or watching a movie...) until yo can get to a charger.
By the way this being my first post (i meant to ages ago) Ill just mention that my galaxy S came with recovery mode and download mode Enabled, i got it just last month, Virgin network, Australia.
draining the battery fully was for the older battery types, new age batteries are not recommended to be drained fully
Thanks!
One more question:
I'm using my phone as a desktop replacement, because I don't have Internet at the moment. I'm using xda, dolphin browser and listening music. It's plugged into the mains and it's not charging. It says 49%, and stuck there. Is it possible I'm using too much battery?
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Ok, this will be my last reply.
Fully draining or not is not the issue.
In RC, most modern electronic speed controllers have a built-in battery cut-off which will cut off power once it reaches certain voltage. Because OVER-draining battery without cut off can damage/kill/ or make it unable to hold voltage.
Also, once the battery voltage reach certain point (still within safe range) you will notice the motor being powered slow down. This would also be a recommended time to stop.
Cellular phones have built in safe cut off aswell. As I have said I have measured my battery after being full drained, voltage was around 3.55v or so. Which is very normal considering voltage of the battery is 3.7v only with peak charged voltage of 4.2.
Now, Someone mentioned that fully draining your battery repeatedly will dramatically reduce battery life.
Reducing life of the battery has more to do with the amount of AMP used to charge the battery. Faster charging is usually reduce battery life dramatically.
And without hobby grade chargers, you won't be able to control this charge rate.
Slow charge is better but charging at 1C rating is the normal. But charging at 1C means regardless of batteries mah rating, battery can be charged in about 60 minutes. As we all know, our phone batteries doesn't charge from zero to full in 60minutes, right? just like most of the portable devices it takes nearly 3~4hours to fully recharge. Last 20% usually takes longer because Amp provided to charge slowly lowers. That is why.
For example, if Galaxy S battery is 1500mah, than 1C charge rate is @ 1.5amp.
If battery is 3000Mah, 1C is 3.0Amps and so on.
So like I have said over and over before, drain your battery away if you have to by choice or not. Just use it up, I will bet you your battery will last longer than you keep your phone.
U should avoid draining ur battery to 0% (witch is not possible with ur phone. When it shows 0% the charge of the battery is at 10-15%). Li-ion batteries dont have a memory effect, so it would be usless discharching it completely anyhow. Best for sgs battery is charging it before it goes under 50% that will improve the lifetime of ur battery (not how long it lasts before u have to charge but how long it lasts before u have to go and buy a new one)
How do i know? Simply cause i had to learn that a few weeks ago for the job im learning.
@xxgg: yes ur right, it wont really damage the battery if u runn it till thr phone shows its empty. But using an app to drain battery as quick as possible will, since the app forces the battery to give out more Ampere than its built to give out
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Hey guys, I rooted and installed mikfroyo 4.2 on my evo. I read a bit and thought I had to use recovery to wipe battery data. I did this and since then I have noticed that the battery usage/percent is off.
Ex: 100-90% goes very quickly, then 80% takes much longer.
I just plugged it into my charger at 29% and about 5 mins later its saying 56%.
The battery lasts long enough so I figure the battery is good.
What should I do aside from wiping the battery data? Do I have to calibrate it somehow?
Thanks
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100% - 90% drop off is normal. Should normalize after 80%. There are some battery tricks n tips to charging if you look around. Pretty much consists of charging to full then turning off and charging some more then turn on, turn off and charge some more.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of posts on this subject. The issue is battery longevity. When the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging (to reduce heat and increase battery life span). It only starts charging again after the battery drops below 90%. So your 100% display is lying to you.
There is a custom kernel that continues to charge the battery at a lower rate once it reaches 100%. You can find it here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876590
I'm using it with the Evo-NonSense ROM and it's amazing how much better battery life is. I've had the battery meter read 100% for close to an hour after unplugging.
I suppose it's possible I may have to replace the battery sooner due to using this kernel, but that's a price I'm willing to pay.
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The 100% > 90% is due to the kernel not allowing a trickle charge. Meaning once your phone hits 100% it switches to battery. It doesn't start charging again till it hits 90% or so. So when you unplug your phone, even if it says 100%, it is actually at 90%.
There are kernels that enable trickle charge but there is a debate going around as to whether or not it damages the phone.
sekigah84 said:
The 100% > 90% is due to the kernel not allowing a trickle charge. Meaning once your phone hits 100% it switches to battery. It doesn't start charging again till it hits 90% or so. So when you unplug your phone, even if it says 100%, it is actually at 90%.
There are kernels that enable trickle charge but there is a debate going around as to whether or not it damages the phone.
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It could be anywhere from 100% - 90% not definately gonna be 90%
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Crossrocker said:
It could be anywhere from 100% - 90% not definately gonna be 90%
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I've been really confused lately because the meter says 100% when plugged in but the moment I unplug it in the A.M. it cuts over to 92%-96%... this makes sense now.
I have a 3900 mAh battery from Mugen. Ive noticed the battery lasts about 30 hours. But I find something very strange. It drains around 96% in just 15 minutes on straight boot after charging every time. In fact, the first 80% of so drains pretty quickly? Ive had it in my phone for about 2 weeks. Has anyone else noticed this or know why this may be happening. Also when at 100%, and i inplug it, goes straight to 98!
Have you done a battery calibration? Get the Battery Calibration app from the play store.
There's some argument as to whether this does anything or not, but have you conditioned the battery? That means letting it drain completely, then charging it continuously till it hits 100% - do that several times.
Its been proven that the app does nothing, which wipes battstats.ini or something
As for conditioning, its been down to around 3% before being charged. Ivehad the battery 2 weeks now.
Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
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Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
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Hmm that kind of makes sense. Everyones been telling me to not let it drop to below 35% though cause it 'wears the battery out'. Ive been charging at around 40 cause thats where itd be after a full day at work and such.
Ive been getting concerned though because ive seen screenshots of people getting 31 hours with 7 hours of screen on time.
Im at 62%, 9.5 hours total, 1 hour 7 min screen on. Thats mostly with Wifi on though.
My stock battery used to drop 10% an hour on 4g, and this one dropped ~11% on 4g just now....
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Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
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Thanks for the graph!
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Now at 36% And its just sitting off mostly with some light texting
Now 35!
Got a weird feeling the battery is messed up.
Its 3900mah, divide by 650 = 6 hour charge
Its been 6 hours and its at 46% with the phone off so its not using power, and on the wall charger.
Rekzer said:
Its been proven that the app does nothing
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I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
mayonaise said:
I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
I noticed my GN charges until 100% or "fully charged" (battery widget that spells it out). Shouldn't it be 97% or 98% max when charging to prevent damaging and preserve longevity of the battery? Or is this some new thing with 4.04 that it'll tell you 100% when it's really 97%? I do notice it drops down to 99% really quickly.
I'm stock on 4.04 and I'm using the provided USB cable and charger plug.
Thanks.
I take it you came from a Nexus S before? I was surprised too but I believe it cuts off the charging to prevent overdose of electricity. No worries on it mate.
It will charge to 100% of what ever value you set or as default comes.. Like you can see on the screenshot
Galaxy Nexus AOKP m5 Franco kernel m3
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msedek said:
It will charge to 100% of what ever value you set or as default comes.. Like you can see on the screenshot
Galaxy Nexus AOKP m5 Franco kernel m3
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Not everyone uses that.
The way the battery works is it charges to full, then takes itself off the charger until it goes down to say 95% and then at that point it goes back on the charger until it's at 100% again, so on and so forth.
Using custom ROM?
Maybe you need to calibrate the battery after you flash new ROM
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Using custom ROM?
Maybe you need to calibrate the battery after you flash new ROM
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Wiping batstats does nothing.
so basically it is safe to just leave it plugged in all the time then, the phone by default is DEFINITELY stopping charge at 100%, Correct?
because i know 2 facts about lithium batteries which i learnt today....never leave it permanently charging. and never let it drain fully all the time (the 40-80% charge rule).
im just worried that if i leave it plugged in it'll continue charging even when its at 100...
Do you know if - with that different kernel/ROM - whether you can set it so that you can leave it plugged in - and it won't charge past say....96%. And when it reaches that limit, it lets the battery drain back to say 40%. Before charging again - any software that will let you do this?
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so basically it is safe to just leave it plugged in all the time then, the phone by default is DEFINITELY stopping charge at 100%, Correct?
because i know 2 facts about lithium batteries which i learnt today....never leave it permanently charging. and never let it drain fully all the time (the 40-80% charge rule).
im just worried that if i leave it plugged in it'll continue charging even when its at 100...
Do you know if - with that different kernel/ROM - whether you can set it so that you can leave it plugged in - and it won't charge past say....96%. And when it reaches that limit, it lets the battery drain back to say 40%. Before charging again - any software that will let you do this?
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Is how phone even on the charger that long..? Something like over night won't kill your battery. The software is supposed to tell the battery when to take itself off of the charger and when to go back. You can use a kernel that will let your battery ONLY charge to a certain percentage.
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You do know todays chargers have technology in them to prevent this right? They have for a while, overcharging is mostly a thing of the past, unless you buy cheap, flea market chargers.
in Recovery Mode there is an option called "battery ststus calibration" (something like this which I cant remember) . actually any percentage of battery use can be "calibrated" into 100%, the number is not important.
Okay, as long as charging up to 100% isn't damaging my batteries.
I did come from a Nexus S, and I always thought that when it stopped charging at 97% that was a good thing to prevent damage to the battery. So naturally, when I see it's going to 100% every night, I imagine it's damaging my battery.
Thanks all.
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in Recovery Mode there is an option called "battery ststus calibration" (something like this which I cant remember) . actually any percentage of battery use can be "calibrated" into 100%, the number is not important.
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You cannot calibrate your battery. You can condition batteries. Wiping battery stats and so called calibrations apps do absolutely nothing.
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onthecouchagain said:
Okay, as long as charging up to 100% isn't damaging my batteries.
I did come from a Nexus S, and I always thought that when it stopped charging at 97% that was a good thing to prevent damage to the battery. So naturally, when I see it's going to 100% every night, I imagine it's damaging my battery.
Thanks all.
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I think "Battery Life Xtender" feature in some ROMs caters exactly to ur requirements. see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257497(just for example) and find some ROM in GN android development section
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Okay, as long as charging up to 100% isn't damaging my batteries.
I did come from a Nexus S, and I always thought that when it stopped charging at 97% that was a good thing to prevent damage to the battery. So naturally, when I see it's going to 100% every night, I imagine it's damaging my battery.
Thanks all.
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That's just because that's how the nexus s battery driver was written. The galaxy nexus driver isn't written with the 95% recharge limit. Its OK though there's no danger whatsoever leaving the phone charging overnight.
i mean, the feature is included in some of the GN roms
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Yeah I know some devs added it in, but its nor in the stock rom from Google.
I'm using the AOKP rom and ive flashed franco kernel (the latest) and my battery will only charge to 99%. If I unplug it and plug it back in itll charge to 100% but thats annoying. Anyone else have this issue? If so what can I do to change that?
Thanks in advance!
It's supposed to stop at 99%; Li-ion batteries are implemented to only charge to 99% as it's best for battery life.
They actually only charge to 96% but the 99-100% is cosmetic.
Sometimes mine says 99% sometimes it says 100%, don't worry about it.
Its not actually at 100% when it says 100%.
That is not an issue at all, it's just a mechanism implemented to extend the battery life.
Don't worry about it
Is one percent even that big of a deal?
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joshnichols189 said:
Is one percent even that big of a deal?
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No, its not. I was just curious.
Thanks guys!
You could use a kernel with the BLX option, set it to 100.
WiredPirate said:
You could use a kernel with the BLX option, set it to 100.
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But that would probably kill your battery in a shorter period of time than otherwise. Best to leave BLX at 96 or below.
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But that would probably kill your battery in a shorter period of time than otherwise. Best to leave BLX at 96 or below.
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Possibly, but supposedly the battery degrades after a year anyways.
Similar. I have not seen my battery read higher than 99%, regardless of ROM, unless I charge via computer USB. And then only sometimes.
I use a charger that came with my HTC Incredible and my Galaxy Nexus usually sticks at 98%. When I charge it at work with my dock it goes to 100%.
you can force your battery
if you use the franco kernel app, and franco kernel you can force the phone to charge to 100% but the longevity of the battery will be decreased.
It might be that it charges to 100 and then turns offs the charger once it hits 100 so if you see it at 99 on the charger that's drain from use... possibly??
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if you use the franco kernel app, and franco kernel you can force the phone to charge to 100% but the longevity of the battery will be decreased.
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It still won't go past 96%
Its hardware not allowing >96% charging.
Its to preserve battery longevity.
If it says 100% it still isn't 100%. Its 96%.
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It still won't go past 96%
Its hardware not allowing >96% charging.
Its to preserve battery longevity.
If it says 100% it still isn't 100%. Its 96%.
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On franco kernel updater app under setting you go to the battery life extender option and it will be defaulted at 96% max battery charge. you can change that number to 100%
I have tried it it does charge to 100% franco kernel bypasses the hardware safety the kernel can control the hardware, like voltages and volume etc..
But LI-ion batteries do not like to be fully charged to 100%. it will make the battery need to be replaced sooner. Depending on the battery it may only last a year. But if you only charge to 96% the battery should last several years.
cool, cool. what roms are you all using? kernels?
also, any of you guys running the updated AOKP? the toro build 35? any difference of battery life?
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On franco kernel updater app under setting you go to the battery life extender option and it will be defaulted at 96% max battery charge. you can change that number to 100%
I have tried it it does charge to 100% franco kernel bypasses the hardware safety the kernel can control the hardware, like voltages and volume etc..
But LI-ion batteries do not like to be fully charged to 100%. it will make the battery need to be replaced sooner. Depending on the battery it may only last a year. But if you only charge to 96% the battery should last several years.
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i have that setting set too, it still only gets to 99%. its not a huge deal i was just wondering why it only went to that percentage.
Every morning on my commute my phone reaches 100% when charging, and it stays there for about 1 hour after unplugging. If you use the phone with screen on during charge then it makes it difficult to reach 100%. Just leave the screen off.
The gnex does not work the same way the nexus s did with the 95% recharge function. You can see if you look at both battery drivers. The gnex actually goes up to 100%. Of course some custom roms added in this function for the gnex. But its not in the stock battery driver.