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As most users on XDA, I've got a rooted device that I want to use a custom ROM on, and there are so many choices it makes choosing a ROM very difficult.
And it is all a matter of preference, depending what included features (included Gapps, default launcher, notification options, etc) or what base it is built from (CM10, AOSP, AOKP, etc) everyone has their own preference.
I created this public spreadsheet, but I thought it may be useful for others, and allow others to possibly to keep track of what features are included out-of-the-box on different custom ROMs. It has really taken off since I originally created it.
http://goo.gl/U8a0E
Hopefully this can help others like me who want to quickly know what features they will or won't have with different custom ROMs.
I considered trying to do a forum post on this, but obviously I would have to keep up with updates myself on Post #1 like most stickied reference posts, that's why I thought a public Google Spreadsheet would be more helpful as anyone can update it.
Overall, a lot of this will probably be moot once a stable CM10 is released, but we never really know how long that can take. And we all know there will still be customizations made to it, one I can think of specifically is Paranoid Android.
Thanks everyone who makes updates to the sheet. I would also like to throw out a HUGE thank you to the custom ROM makers giving us stable ROMs that meet our individual needs.
And, as the Google Doc can be viewed by ANYONE, must get permission on google account to edit.
My personal "Must Haves":
- T9 Dialer (avoid having to install separate dialer app)
- Customizable Notification drop down for Additional Toggles (this has replaced the need for Widgetsoid2 since I can have the Flashlight and Wifi AP here.)
- Reboot and Reboot to Recovery in Power Menu (Mostly Reboot as a minimum as I sometimes forget to turn it back on if I Poweroff)
- Battery Percentage in Status Bar (The logo itself is no where near specific enough for my needs, and I now prefer the circle style)
NOVEMBER 24, 2012 UPDATE: Personally I've switched over to Paranoid Android 2.99.3 (beta 3), it doesn't have my personal must haves yet, but I'm sure it will, currently I'd rather have 4.2 and lose a few features, than be running 4.1.2, it is one of the first roms with customizations to be released on AOSP 4.2, so until it is 3.x it could have some bugs.
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I've tried a few ROMs on my Unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus and am still trying to find the ROM that has all the features I want. And is the most stable with those features.
I just created this public spreadsheet, mostly for my own use so it is very basic at the moment. But I thought it may be useful for others, and allow others to possibly to keep track of what features are included out-of-the-box on different custom ROMs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AggpxyzXBu--dEZMWnZTUWtMVXBpdHNteW5zTXpRVmc
Hopefully this can help others like me who want to quickly know what features they will or won't have with different custom ROMs.
I considered trying to do a forum post on this, but obviously I would have to keep up with updates myself on Post #1 like most stickied reference posts, that's why I thought a public Google Spreadsheet would be more helpful as anyone can update it.
Like I said, it is very empty right now and is completely open to others who want to make changes to it.
Overall, a lot of this will probably be moot once a stable CM10 is released, but we never really know how long that can take. And we all know there will still be customizations made to it, one I can think of specifically is Paranoid Android, and I haven't even included it on the Google Spreadsheet yet as I still haven't tried it.
I would like to throw out a HUGE thank you to the custom ROM makers giving us stable and fast versions of what CM10 can't do yet, isn't stable enough to use yet, or may never do in some cases.
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This is nice. I have bought gnex seven days ago and tried every JB ROM so far.
Also I noticed that paranoid, like you said ( the only ROM that I am using as a daily driver ) is not on this list.
You really should try his alpha 1.9.1 with included kernel. Well now all kernels work on this ROM. But I think that gnex is the beast already and doesnt need any Custom kernels.
Hey I like Franco kernel and I purchased his app and I am playing a lot with it, but as long as I need decent battery life I will use stock kernel. On that ROM I had only 2% of battery dropped in amazing 6 night hours. I just couldnt believe my eyes.
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dejson said:
This is nice. I have bought gnex seven days ago and tried every JB ROM so far.
Also I noticed that paranoid, like you said ( the only ROM that I am using as a daily driver ) is not on this list.
You really should try his alpha 1.9.1 with included kernel. Well now all kernels work on this ROM. But I think that gnex is the beast already and doesnt need any Custom kernels.
Hey I like Franco kernel and I purchased his app and I am playing a lot with it, but as long as I need decent battery life I will use stock kernel. On that ROM I had only 2% of battery dropped in amazing 6 night hours. I just couldnt believe my eyes.
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Yeah, I was trying to find a good ROM to get me by until CM10 was officially released as "Stable", and I was going to wait until that to try Paranoid Android, especially with all the customization I can do in it.
I may have to give it a try, maybe once I see my spreadsheet fill up with more user input. I'm already seeing a lot of activity on the sheet.
HwyXingFrog said:
Yeah, I was trying to find a good ROM to get me by until CM10 was officially released as "Stable", and I was going to wait until that to try Paranoid Android, especially with all the customization I can do in it.
I may have to give it a try, maybe once I see my spreadsheet fill up with more user input. I'm already seeing a lot of activity on the sheet.
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Great thing, i've just checked the document and cant believe. Excellent and I'm glad to see that there is no problems with paranoid rom so far. I respect the work of all developers, but for me paranoid is the best so far, phablet mode is excellent and original approach.
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Great thing, i've just checked the document and cant believe. Excellent and I'm glad to see that there is no problems with paranoid rom so far. I respect the work of all developers, but for me paranoid is the best so far, phablet mode is excellent and original approach.
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Great idea, love the list. Love the idea of being able to let anyone edit it.
Excellent
ThunderStick said:
Great idea, love the list. Love the idea of being able to let anyone edit it.
Excellent
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Thanks, I assume you added Soft and Chewy.
I'm downloading the newest CM10 and JellyBro to load onto my Nexus quick, hopefully I will get those two filled in completely, then at least I will know where my baseline is for my own personal comparison.
A few people have messed it up a bit and I'm sure some changes got lost, but if I don't leave it wide open, I know a lot of people won't make changes.
So, after all of that, and the spreadsheet getting updated by users pretty nicely, it looks like there is a functional enough CM10 (from the +Google page) v1.8 that is stable enough for me to start using as a daily driver for at least a few days.
I'll be using Gapps-b as I need Picasa sync to be working.
Damn! That's great work, well done! Keeping this up to date will be the hardest part but if you manage it you will help the Galaxy Nexus community a lot! I'll try to help. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks, I assume you added Soft and Chewy.
I'm downloading the newest CM10 and JellyBro to load onto my Nexus quick, hopefully I will get those two filled in completely, then at least I will know where my baseline is for my own personal comparison.
A few people have messed it up a bit and I'm sure some changes got lost, but if I don't leave it wide open, I know a lot of people won't make changes.
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I would probably leave the battery life comparison off. This is very subjective on any Rom or device.
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I would probably leave the battery life comparison off. This is very subjective on any Rom or device.
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I agree, I didn't put the battery life on there, all roms except the Nightlies like to advertise "Good" battery life anyway.
That's one of the issues with leaving it editable by anyone.
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That's one of the issues with leaving it editable by anyone.
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You could leave the public version as is, but add a "revised" version (editable only by you) that weeds out any egregious and obvious inaccuracies.
Oops misread.
I started one of these back in the day for the droid Eris. You should be able to leave it public, you can always see and revert changes.
Can we get a column for cdma vs GSM?
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Thanks for sharing man! Im using xenonhd ad my first custom ROM band its fine
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So, overall, I definitely accomplished what I wanted to do with the Google Doc, everyone has been awesome with their updates to it.
But, for myself, the Doc is basically useless as soon as I found CM10 v1.8 on the +Google page, which is basically a very stable nightly (although it isn't), it is exactly what I wanted....
It's very stable, gives me all the features I have as my "Bare Minimum"
- Toggles in notification screen
- Battery Percentage in Status bar
- Reboot options in shutdown menu
I ended up in the exact same state after trying numerous custom roms on my HTC Desire and Motorola Atrix previously, always just ending up with CyanogenMod7.
And I happened to just fall onto the +Google post with v1.8 while compiling the Google Doc. Was about to download 1.3 then 1.8 was posted and I'm LOVING it.
And as long as I stick to CM10, I shouldn't have to wipe my data, I'm tired of doing all my Titanium Restores (as I don't have the paid version).
Again, thanks everyone for updating the Google Doc, and as I've made it public, anyone should be able to update it and keep it updated for other people out there that want to use custom roms. And if anyone ever needs to revert anything that really breaks it, all you have to do is log in with your google account.
I really hope it helps some people find the ROM they want to use for their specific needs. And it would be nice to see more of these for different devices, especially for devices not officially supported by CyanogenMod. I may have to get one started for my Motorola Atrix 4G.
Anyone notice this on both CM official and jelly bro.
There's no Document Viewer app??? it's in stock! I can view pdf, microsoft word, without needing to download 3rd party app.
Show widget before lockscreen seems not working in both CM official and jelly bro.
Great work. Should always be maintained and help users what they really want.
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Bayint Naung said:
Anyone notice this on both CM official and jelly bro.
There's no Document Viewer app??? it's in stock! I can view pdf, microsoft word, without needing to download 3rd party app.
Show widget before lockscreen seems not working in both CM official and jelly bro.
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It may be in stock, but is not in AOSP.
Plenty of apps on the market for it, which is how we justify not adding one.
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It may be in stock, but is not in AOSP.
Plenty of apps on the market for it, which is how we justify not adding one.
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Speaking of that, does anyone know what document viewer the stock Nexus uses, and if there is an Play App, or APK I can install on CM10 that is the same.
I have Documents to Go, but I'm wondering what the Stock nexus one is.
I've added this to the spreadsheet as CM10 not having one, so if we know which app the Stock has I can put that on the spreadsheet.
Thanks.
I never really got the point of rooting. I mean I have all that I need on jellybean anyways. I don't really need more customization.
Stock Jellybean and Project Butter VS. CNA 3.5.0 and Franco Kernel?
Does it actually make the phone faster? cuz I dont think my phone with stock jellybean has ever lagged
ChickenSwagger said:
I never really got the point of rooting. I mean I have all that I need on jellybean anyways. I don't really need more customization.
Stock Jellybean and Project Butter VS. CNA 3.5.0 and Franco Kernel?
Does it actually make the phone faster? cuz I dont think my phone with stock jellybean has ever lagged
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Then dont root lol I root because I use titanium backup, love flashing ROM's currently cm10 <3, custom kernels ftw (the options they offer are great! yes Franco im talking about you)
Plus with custom ROM's some allow theming so you can make your phone exacly how you want it to be. If stock is how you want it to be then stay on it and enjoy Android Jelly bean
Personally, its the little things that make it worthwhile. Things you never realize make a different until you have them such as:
Calender on lock screen
smaller Nav bar height
Custom app icons
Lock screen wallpaper
Skip music track with volume buttons
App/data backup and restore
Etc
Might not sound like much but you find them hard to live without after a while.
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A few good reasons on my own:
1) Titanium Backup
2) AdFree: no ads at all in my phone. EVER. Not only because it's annoying but also because it consumes more battery
3) Undervolt
It's a personal choice... rooting allows you access to the internal system to make mods and changes to system files... but it also means more chances of screwing things up if you do something wrong (you can always restore though)... so apps require root access to do things which aren't allowed by default in Android... like backup apps, change host files...
Unlike commonly noted, it has nothing to do with custom ROMs... that requires you to unlock your bootloader... yes, most custom ROMs come with root capabilities, but with ROMs like CM10, you have to option of enabling & disabling root whenever you want...
Rooting opens up other possibilities such as ad-blocking. That's my favorite benefit. There's also free wifi tethering and with most custom ROMs, users can apply themes.
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ChickenSwagger said:
I never really got the point of rooting. I mean I have all that I need on jellybean anyways. I don't really need more customization.
Stock Jellybean and Project Butter VS. CNA 3.5.0 and Franco Kernel?
Does it actually make the phone faster? cuz I dont think my phone with stock jellybean has ever lagged
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Rooting opens up many doors. Battery savings, faster phone, better quality photos/video, tweaks to the way everything looks etc basically you can modify every aspect of your phone to your liking
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rygran87 said:
Rooting opens up other possibilities such as ad-blocking. That's my favorite benefit. There's also free wifi tethering and with most custom ROMs, users can apply themes.
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What Ads? i never get any ads.
Secondly, backup is done by google sync as well.
Wifi tethering? you mean data hotspot? if so, jellybean already has that feature built in
Everyone has their reasons. I unlock and root because I can add little bits of functionality that help me in daily use. In order of personal priority:
1) I run stock JB because it's awesome but the kernel I run allows for a no compromise in speed yet better daily use battery life combo - 4.5 to 5 hrs screen on time, and lag free even when multi tasking a lot, can't get that with stock on a standard battery, I've tried
2) I like the stock experience but I like a couple of simple mods to increase functionality like a t9 dialer, battery percent and louder sound mod (because I use the speaker phone a lot in my work calls and stock is simply not loud enough)
3) Several apps have powerful functions that need root access - For e.g. I use Tasker because it makes my phone actually work like a smartphone and helps automate things so I don't have to think about them, like changing my phone profile to vibrate only when I walk into a movie theatre or turning off the slide/pin lock when I'm at home/work and turning it on again when I'm out, on its own.
4) I'm not big on customization like changing the navbar colours etc but if I was, a rooted phone let's you customize to your hearts content.
to be in complete control of my device. for that you need superuser privledges, same as administrative privledges on a windows machine.
Can't forget about improving battery life :good:
adfree. battery savings with custom kernels. root explorer = awesomeness. being able to carve unnecessary junk out of system folders. volume boosters.
there are many reasons. it's not for everybody, but it certainly is for me.
Well my phone is nothing more than a toy for me don't use it for work nor anything like that . Hell I hardly make calls . I root for the fact I can and I like to see what I can do to this thing .
Don't know what half this stuff means but if I don't like the effects I just change ROMs ex.
I really good at following directions and have yet to brick a phone .
Oooo and because I hate iPhone .
"JB:CM10:HYBRD"
"ParanoidAndroid. 2.14"
because stock colors look like crap. white looks yellowish
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I rooted to ad away and roam control
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It is easier to stay stock when you have a shiny new os installed. If you were stuck with a phone that was running 2.3 it suddenly becomes much more appealing.
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AdAway.
ChickenSwagger said:
I never really got the point of rooting. I mean I have all that I need on jellybean anyways. I don't really need more customization.
Stock Jellybean and Project Butter VS. CNA 3.5.0 and Franco Kernel?
Does it actually make the phone faster? cuz I dont think my phone with stock jellybean has ever lagged
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I haven't rooted my Galaxy Nexus either, even after rooting and ROMing my previous phones. No shame in that.
It is a Nexus. Its sole purpose of existence is to be rooted.
Amen.
My first device I rooted was a windows phone, don't recall the name now but then went onto the Eris and then the Nook. Had my Nexus for a half year before I felt the need to root it and mostly I root to have control over the look and feel. I enjoy the customizing as well as trying out the various different ROMs out there. It also makes for great dinner conversations with my boys (all in their mid-twentys') as we debated who has the best ROM and what developers are doing what. :silly:
I agree rooting isn't for everyone and no one should feel they have to...
I sincerely apologize if this is not posted in the correct location or if such a request is out of line. The only reason I am posting about this is because I believe that there would be a fair amount of people who would be interested.
I've installed many ROMs since I got my Galaxy Nexus on release day last year, but I have always come back to AOKP because every other ROM I've installed was missing at least one feature of AOKP that I use. Recently however I started playing with DPI settings and I'm in love with 240. I like the tablet layout of most apps, but certain ones, like the phone app look a little strange. Also, some apps, like the Navigon navigation app are next to impossible to use at this DPI. Naturally, I immediately flashed Paranoid Android so that I could get the per-app control of DPI. That lasted all of about 10 minutes, because I immediately noticed it was missing far too many features.
So basically I'm looking to see if there's a dev out there who can kang the Paranoid Settings to AOKP. Maybe if there's enough interest from other people who would like this I could set up a pool for donations. I know there's a couple ROMs floating around that are AOKP based Paranoid rather than CM based, but they are for other devices.
Eventually I'm going to try to do this myself if no one else is willing/able, however between being in school full time and my two jobs I probably wouldn't be able to start teaching myself until about May. Plus, my laptop is about 6 years old and I'm afraid it will be an extremely slow process.
+100000000000^infinity
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This!
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So far it seems like I've found three ROMs for other devices that combine PA and AOKP. King Kang for the Galaxy Note (which I think is still on ICS), PACman mostly on Sony devices as far as I could tell (PA/AOKP/CM), and Disarmed Toaster on some HTC phones. It's definitely possible and I imagine it would be quite popular...we just need to get a dev with a GNex to see the benefits!
Why don't you go to the AOKP thread and request the dev do so? Better to post there than here anyway. Don't get your hopes up though
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jimmyhook said:
Why don't you go to the AOKP thread and request the dev do so? Better to post there than here anyway. Don't get your hopes up though
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As far as I know they're still not interested in hearing feature requests unfortunately.
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I'm sure CM will become more of a beast with each update, and PA uses it as its base. Already highly customizable. I'm not even sure what the benefit of using AOKP as a base would be.
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Love this idea I thought about something similar 2 weeks ago when I flashed CNA on my Gnex. I know there to different development teams but I would love to see a Code Name Paranoid ROM that ROM would kick azz but that just opinion but +1 to this idea
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jimmyhook said:
I'm sure CM will become more of a beast with each update, and PA uses it as its base. Already highly customizable. I'm not even sure what the benefit of using AOKP as a base would be.
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The benefit of using AOKP as a base would be that there are a lot of very useful features in AOKP that aren't in CM.
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I thought AOKP already had a tablet mode? But I haven't wanted to leave PA yet.
slow88lx said:
I thought AOKP already had a tablet mode? But I haven't wanted to leave PA yet.
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It does. PA isn't about tablet mode, its about being able to control each app individually.
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slow88lx said:
I thought AOKP already had a tablet mode? But I haven't wanted to leave PA yet.
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no, its has build.prop dpi and a sysUI hack.
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The benefit of using AOKP as a base would be that there are a lot of very useful features in AOKP that aren't in CM. 2
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honestly, i think people are not fair with cyanogenmod. cm is a great rom and has tons of features. yes you cant color your buttons pink other than using theming engine, but my goodness is that really such a strongpoint? toys will sure come aswell.
i have seen these mixups btw, paranoid + cm + aokp. it pains me. i wont interfere but man, this is crazy. one rom i have seen has four toggle implementations, two from cm, one from us, one from aokp, it mixes paprefs with aokps dpi changer and a non-standard build.prop dpi, etc. its a complete mess and sometimes i wish i wish they'd just kang hybrid engine without bringing our name into it lol. :silly:
the reason its not easily ported to other roms is that its complicated. its literally spanning all over android, framework, core, policy, res, graphics, parts of sysUI rewritten from scratch, androids layout definitions were changed, apps had to be adjusted - and then the hybrid engine itself of course. its not a simple "git fetch" and you got it, it grew over half a year, hundreds of commits, reverts and pushes.
what really matters is what's more important to you. a pink button or a completely renewed phone with functions it never had before. you know, we're developers, too. you might aswell request someone should bring over missing features to cm/pa, its getting a little bit discouraging to see the focus in all devcommunities is often on kanging instead of developing.
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honestly, i think people are not fair with cyanogenmod. cm is a great rom and has tons of features. yes you cant color your buttons pink other than using theming engine, but my goodness is that really such a strongpoint? toys will sure come aswell.
i have seen these mixups btw, paranoid + cm + aokp. it pains me. i wont interfere but man, this is crazy. one rom i have seen has four toggle implementations, two from cm, one from us, one from aokp, it mixes paprefs with aokps dpi changer and a non-standard build.prop dpi, etc. its a complete mess and sometimes i wish i wish they'd just kang hybrid engine without bringing our name into it lol. :silly:
the reason its not easily ported to other roms is that its complicated. its literally spanning all over android, framework, core, policy, res, graphics, parts of sysUI rewritten from scratch, androids layout definitions were changed, apps had to be adjusted - and then the hybrid engine itself of course. its not a simple "git fetch" and you got it, it grew over half a year, hundreds of commits, reverts and pushes.
what really matters is what's more important to you. a pink button or a completely renewed phone with functions it never had before. you know, we're developers, too. you might aswell request someone should bring over missing features to cm/pa, its getting a little bit discouraging to see the focus in all devcommunities is often on kanging instead of developing.
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VERY well said.
molesarecoming said:
honestly, i think people are not fair with cyanogenmod. cm is a great rom and has tons of features. yes you cant color your buttons pink other than using theming engine, but my goodness is that really such a strongpoint? toys will sure come aswell.
i have seen these mixups btw, paranoid + cm + aokp. it pains me. i wont interfere but man, this is crazy. one rom i have seen has four toggle implementations, two from cm, one from us, one from aokp, it mixes paprefs with aokps dpi changer and a non-standard build.prop dpi, etc. its a complete mess and sometimes i wish i wish they'd just kang hybrid engine without bringing our name into it lol. :silly:
the reason its not easily ported to other roms is that its complicated. its literally spanning all over android, framework, core, policy, res, graphics, parts of sysUI rewritten from scratch, androids layout definitions were changed, apps had to be adjusted - and then the hybrid engine itself of course. its not a simple "git fetch" and you got it, it grew over half a year, hundreds of commits, reverts and pushes.
what really matters is what's more important to you. a pink button or a completely renewed phone with functions it never had before. you know, we're developers, too. you might aswell request someone should bring over missing features to cm/pa, its getting a little bit discouraging to see the focus in all devcommunities is often on kanging instead of developing.
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Thank you for chiming in!
I would be glad to put the little extra effort into using ZipThemer to change the NavBar buttons/colors in exchange for having ParanoidPreferences. CM however is missing a lot of things that I haven't been able to find any other way of accomplishing other than using a ROM with the features built in. Let me provide thorough specifics. I don't know how familiar you are with AOKP Rom Control, and obviously this is all personal to me, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. There's nothing in General UI, Lockscreen, Power Menu, Clock, Signal, Sound, Weather, Vibrations, or Performance that I use. The Navigation Bar section however is a lot better. Not because of color/icon selection but because of the longpress settings and because of the NavBar Ring Targets. Neither of those are things I could find a way to replicate in CM/PA, and both have proven to be extremely useful. Also, I like the ability to set NavBar height separate from status bar DPI...this may have been in PA but I missed it. In terms of Battery; I use the battery bar, and hide the icon in the status bar. I know there's an app with similar functionality, however it doesn't work the same. As far as I could tell Toggles were pretty much the same. For LED, I don't use any of the settings other than being able to have the LED flash with the screen on. This, to me, is a necessity.
I agree 100% that the PA/AOKP/CM combinations are a bit ridiculous. (If you notice in the OP, I was looking for someone to add ParanoidPreferences into AOKP, not combine the ROMs). If I had the time/ability to do it myself, I would remove the DPI, tablet mode, and dual panel options from ROM control and just add ParanoidPreferences.
As I said, I would gladly give up some "convenience" features of AOKP, but some of the actual functionality I can't do without at this point. I did post a couple feature requests in the PA forum, but I'm very hesitant to do so. You have done amazing work, and I always feel that by requesting more features I would be minimizing all the hard work the devs have done.
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I don't know if this will ever happen, but I agree.. I LOVE aokp and the fact that it has basic tablet mode, but I had to stop using it because a holistic "tablet button" isn't quite usable for me.
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You said cm is missing a lot of things, but in the midst of your lengthy paragraph was only two or three small tweaks. No ROM can make everyone one hundred percent happy, but it sounds like PA has 99 percent of what you need.... am I missing something?
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You said cm is missing a lot of things, but in the midst of your lengthy paragraph was only two or three small tweaks. No ROM can make everyone one hundred percent happy, but it sounds like PA has 99 percent of what you need.... am I missing something?
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I don't recall saying CM is missing a lot of things, but if I did than I apologize. In the OP at least I said this:
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I have always come back to AOKP because every other ROM I've installed was missing at least one feature of AOKP that I use.
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It's not about the amount of features, it's about weighing the importance of features. I guess in my mind I thought it would be easier to add ParanoidPreferences to AOKP rather than the other way around. Mostly, as I said, because the PA developers are busy with their own thing and don't need a bunch of people asking for new features. If those couple features could be added to PA that would be much preferred.
The main question is which is better touchwiz or aosp? Here everyone can base there opinions on each type of rom. The pro's and con's of each type. Is touchwiz or is aosp better? That is the question
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TW: gaudy but plenty of added features
AOSP: clean and unobtrusive, more substantially moddable
AOKP is my daily, but I flash TW ROMs when they catch my eye.
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AOSP: can't take advantage of eHRPD to transition from 3g to LTE fast and cleanly because eHRPD is proprietary. So it takes ages to switch back and forth and you lose data.
TW: doesn't have this problem and has other features that AOSP doesn't have along with the other features that AOSP does have.
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I've always been a HUGE fan of CM/Aosp. I tried 5 or so tw roms on d2spr and I think they are all AmAzinG and tw has came a loooong way, (new tw is better than older versions..) and we have some VERY skilled devs who build tw roms on d2spr but I favor Aosp. WiFi tether works on Aosp now and does not on tw which I use from the to time to use my Nexus 7 when away from home and no WiFi is available... Some reasons i prefer Aosp: Because its Android open source project not Samsung. I love CM and the theme chooser!! Don't have to boot back into recovery to add mods, we can just install a theme, reboot & in a few secs & completely changes the phone and the themes are endless on the playstore. Theme chooser rocks!!! The roms are small and have no bloat/ extra apps added.. On Aosp you can use inverted gapps package or reg, you choose & they aren't built in like tw. (HUGE deal to me to have a big variety to choose from, so many different apps to choose from..) I love all the different kangs! Development blows up on Aosp and there are constant updates straight from source and I love flashing!! [certified crackflasher in 3 states] :what: Aosp is on Jb 4.1.2 now and tw is on 4.1.1. I'm a long time member of the neXus forever club and owned every Nex phone ever made and I just couldn't hold off till next Nex dropped so I purchased the d2spr, not disappointed, really do love this phone and all the roms are great, Tw and Aosp... I like the entire open source community and I think its great that ppl learn and work together and a share their work and ideas and make the whole Android experience better than it already is!! I support open source and always will. Been very broke lately but have donated several times 10$ here and there to devs. (Coming soon, had some unexpected events come up) Guess that's about it, my opinion anyway.
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I've always been a HUGE fan of CM/Aosp. I tried 5 or so tw roms on d2spr and I think they are all AmAzinG and tw has came a loooong way, (new tw is better than older versions..) and we have some VERY skilled devs who build tw roms on d2spr but I favor Aosp. WiFi tether works on Aosp now and does not on tw which I use from the to time to use my Nexus 7 when away from home and no WiFi is available... Some reasons i prefer Aosp: Because its Android open source project not Samsung. I love CM and the theme chooser!! Don't have to boot back into recovery to add mods, we can just install a theme, reboot & in a few secs & completely changes the phone and the themes are endless on the playstore. Theme chooser rocks!!! The roms are small and have no bloat/ extra apps added.. On Aosp you can use inverted gapps package or reg, you choose & they aren't built in like tw. (HUGE deal to me to have a big variety to choose from, so many different apps to choose from..) I love all the different kangs! Development blows up on Aosp and there are constant updates straight from source and I love flashing!! [certified crackflasher in 3 states] :what: Aosp is on Jb 4.1.2 now and tw is on 4.1.1. I'm a long time member of the neXus forever club and owned every Nex phone ever made and I just couldn't hold off till next Nex dropped so I purchased the d2spr, not disappointed, really do love this phone and all the roms are great, Tw and Aosp... I like the entire open source community and I think its great that ppl learn and work together and a share their work and ideas and make the whole Android experience better than it already is!! I support open source and always will. Been very broke lately but have donated several times 10$ here and there to devs. (Coming soon, had some unexpected events come up) Guess that's about it, my opinion anyway.
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Wow that was very good bro see I was kinda tossed on which way I should go aosp or tw on running jelly bomb right now but I can't run ktoon kernel on it it just drains my battery fast I mean I take my phone off charger at 730 am and by 12 I'm down to 30% tryed everything in the book to fix it n nothing worked so far but not to take away from jelly bomb rom its a awesome rom super slick rom but just don't agree with ktoon kernel but I've been looking at aosp roms all day n you just explained a lot to help me understand better what's better thx man
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Aosp every time. Mainly it's a trade of features that gets me. I hate the aosp camera (main gripe ) but love the lock screen the theme engine and swipe brightness feature. I also detest the alarm clock in aosp. The cleanness ofthe install is a breeze to work with much easier to cut away all the fat in the system apps
The dialer is nicer in aosp in the end I usually go back to aosp because the battery is fantastic and I can have pretty themes o and the volume to skip track option is tip top
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Hey Galaxy,
Have you tried just the stock release for TW with Ktoonsez kernel? I am thinking the battery drain issue people are having are on some of these custom TW ROM's people are using.
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Hey Galaxy,
Have you tried just the stock release for TW with Ktoonsez kernel? I am thinking the battery drain issue people are having are on some of these custom TW ROM's people are using.
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no I haven't try that yet on stock tw rom n uea that's what mw86 n ktoon is been talking about for a couple of days now but it is only on tw n not on aosp or aokp however you want to say it
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I think Touchwiz is better I love all the features it has AOKP is nice and love it to just its to bare bone for me.
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I should have known that the 8 question marks in the title were going to lead to a post with butchered spelling and grammar as if the English dictionary doesn't exist.
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I should have known that the 8 question marks in the title were going to lead to a post with butchered spelling and grammar as if the English dictionary doesn't exist.
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Haha. As if the inconsistent capitalization and spacing wasn't enough of a giveaway... But I'm going to try to ignore the anti-grammatical OP and toss in my opinion anyway.
I personally tried to like Touchwiz when I first got the S3. I heard it was different. It was a big leap forward for Samsung's UI. It was supposed to be good. It's not (IMO). It does have a lot of useful features, but I kept finding more and more of the features to be super gimmicky. For instance, I know a lot of people find Smart Stay to be very useful, but it never worked for me, even in well-lit areas. I never used the motion or voice controls. They seemed unintuitive and clunky. The fact that the phone wakes on any received SMS/MMS and I can't change it without a 3rd party app is a big con for TW. Not only that, but I thought the color scheme was hideous - there were always either too many colors or the ones that were used clashed so badly that my eyes physically hurt from looking at the screen. Yeah, I can theme it, but can't it at least be tolerable out of the box like Sense or stock Android? Then, there's the lack of scrollable wallpaper with no way to change it; the immovable App Drawer icon; the immovable, unconfigurable toggles in the notification tray; the lack of native WiFi tether (I barely use it, but I like to know I can when I need it). On top of all that, in order to get decent performance out of the stock ROM, I had to disable at least 25 useless apps. And even then, there were performance issues (anyone who's used the XDA app in Touchwiz long enough knows how unusable it becomes; and that's the least of the problems). I just found Touchwiz to be too limiting of an experience for me.
On CM, I'm a lot happier. I don't theme the ROM because I don't feel like it's necessary; there is no gaudy purple/florescent green color combo anywhere, and the color scheme as a whole is much more cohesive. I have all the features I need and want to use without any of the problems. I get to customize it however I want. I don't have to disable a ton of apps that I can't uninstall. I get WiFi tether built into the ROM. I get everything I need without the gimmicks.
Frankly, if the best thing from Touchwiz that I'm missing is the camera (and it is), then I don't see the point in using Touchwiz over CM. Everything just feels a lot more streamlined here; less in-your-face.
Long time Sense user, hell this is my first Sammy. The reason I don't use AOSP is because as someone else mentioned, it is not completely bug free and the camera is not to my liking. I keep flip flopping back and forth but end up going back to touchwiz because of the gestures and motions built into the system.
If AOSP ever got the swipe to call and other touchwiz gestures and a better camera I would be all over it. Oh and the data swap/signal loss is what is really keeping me away from AOSP.
On a side note every time is see AOSP I was to say ASOP, like the fables lol!
That really is the only reason I have not gone AOSP. The length of time it takes switching from 3g to LTE and back. I would try it out if they fixed eHRPD to fix the data problem.
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AOSP: can't take advantage of eHRPD to transition from 3g to LTE fast and cleanly because eHRPD is proprietary. So it takes ages to switch back and forth and you lose data.
TW: doesn't have this problem and has other features that AOSP doesn't have along with the other features that AOSP does have.
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WiMax was cracked. What makes you think this won't be?
Plus eHRPD is a standard of the Third Generation Partnership Project 2. The are a non profit organisation. So I highly doubt eHRPD is proprietary. That doesn't mean things that depend on it like driver code isn't. But it will be fixed--soon.
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WiMax was cracked. What makes you think this won't be?
Plus eHRPD is a standard of the Third Generation Partnership Project 2. The are a non profit organisation. So I highly doubt eHRPD is proprietary. That doesn't mean things that depend on it like driver code isn't. But it will be fixed--soon.
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Well when it's fix I will try it, but until then the problem with data is a deal breaker for me and I would imagine a lot of people that want a daily driver.
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Well when it's fix I will try it, but until then the problem with data is a deal breaker for me and I would imagine a lot of people that want a daily driver.
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what's any of that have to do with what I said?
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what's any of that have to do with what I said?
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Um...everything. eHRPD not working takes data forever to transition from 3g to LTE, a deal breaker IMHO. When they fix it (if they fix it since it will take reverse engineering to achieve that) I will try AOSP.
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Aosp but really just MIUI the features that ROM has really makes me want that X phone that its stock on... so sexy
Also battery life is sick on Koons and MIUI... I went about 1 day and 16 hours and I was even using it!
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Um...everything. eHRPD not working takes data forever to transition from 3g to LTE, a deal breaker IMHO. When they fix it (if they fix it since it will take reverse engineering to achieve that) I will try AOSP.
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It's not like Wimax. They don't have to reverse engineer anything this time. I don't know why you'd assume that. The only reason it hasn't been fixed is that the devs didn't have access to upgraded towers yet. Now that NV is spreading and more people can test the RIL settings, it should be fixed very soon. The most recent test build even had it mostly fixed. If I lost data on it, it was for 5 seconds at the most, and most handoffs were seamless. It's just a matter of time now.
Yeah aosp aside from me plain old liking it, is a sortof investment. You run it, you test it. It constantly improves. When sprint doesn't even support this device any more aosp will still be getting updates. And will inevitably come to out perform tw with enough time
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I just went from BAMF to Paranoid Android 4.2 and for the life of me I can't figure out why so many people are talking up this ROM, could someone please explain it to me because I need to be missing something.
The only thing that looked interesting was the UI features which do not work correctly. The Opaque Statusbar and Taskbar do not work. Randomly they will go back to solid black then never goes back to Opaque. The Tablet UI seems awesome but the Taskbar buttons are way to small. So I figured I would change the DPI but it makes the Statusbar clock huge and the notifications area pop-up moves half-way off the screen rendering it unusable.
So after those features are taking away there really is no custom / developer settings on the ROM so it's pretty much pointless.
A lot of people like a tablet UI but don't like the smaller DPI or visa/versa et cetera.
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A lot of people like a tablet UI but don't like the smaller DPI or visa/versa et cetera.
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The Tablet UI is awesome but very poorly implemented it seems.
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So after those features are taking away there really is no custom / developer settings on the ROM so it's pretty much pointless.
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I came from AOKP milestone 1 to PA 2.99.5 and while I like the 4.2 I'm thinking it might be time to go back to AOKP. I thought the Phablet UI was interesting but when I tried it... it didn't work correctly. I do like the per-app customization but I'd rather customize other areas of the phone with my time. Add I miss my integrated weather on the lockscreen.
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I came from AOKP milestone 1 to PA 2.99.5 and while I like the 4.2 I'm thinking it might be time to go back to AOKP. I thought the Phablet UI was interesting but when I tried it... it didn't work correctly. I do like the per-app customization but I'd rather customize other areas of the phone with my time. Add I miss my integrated weather on the lockscreen.
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You are pretty much in the same boat am I. I was just hoping something happened during my install of Paranoid and that's why it wasn't working or features were missing or something. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this ROM is defiantly lacking.
I am staying hopeful though. Once they get this ROM out of beta maybe Tablet UI will be working, and they will include some basic customization.
I do not see any problems with PA 2.99.5 whatsoever.. It works perfectly fine..smooth, good battery life, no lags, everything works as it should.. Once again, it is a matter of preference.. You putting up this thread was a matter of preference.. But once again, it is advisable that you do not complain by making a new thread.. Just post in the PA thread.. Molesarecoming is always open to constructive criticism..Once again, the word is "constructive criticism" the diversity of ROMs in the Galaxy Nexus community is what makes many stick with the nexus. so before bashing other ROMs, please just remember you not liking it, doesnt mean it's the same for others. If you hate it so much twitter it or fb it or something. >.<
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I do not see any problems with PA 2.99.5 whatsoever.. It works perfectly fine..smooth, good battery life, no lags, everything works as it should.. Once again, it is a matter of preference.. You putting up this thread was a matter of preference.. But once again, it is advisable that you do not complain by making a new thread.. Just post in the PA thread.. Molesarecoming is always open to constructive criticism..Once again, the word is "constructive criticism" the diversity of ROMs in the Galaxy Nexus community is what makes many stick with the nexus. so before bashing other ROMs, please just remember you not liking it, doesnt mean it's the same for others. If you hate it so much twitter it or fb it or something. >.<
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I'm not bashing anyone work at all, honestly I just wanted to know if I was missing something from the ROM since so many seem to use it. I have used it for 2 days now and none of the UI tweaks are functional, or do not work properly or are just way to small with no functional way to increase size. But the ROM is smooth and quick with insane boot speed.
Here is info on PA 2.99+ in a nutshell. First and foremost, you all downtalking tabletui need to realize that it does not actually exist in android 4.2, the paranoidandroid team found it deactivated by google in the code for 4.2 and they spent their time making it available again, it is in no way a finished product, if you want to see it work good then download a version of PA with an android 4.1x base ( i.e. PA 2.54 or before). Now onto people that cannot see the big deal, well anyone that tried the pre 4.2 PA knows that there is more customization available in PA than any other rom put together. Now PA 2.99+ are all AOSP based instead of CM based so they basically are building this rom from scratch to improve speed, performance and battery life for everyone, this means that a lot is not even integrated back into the rom yet. Simply trying out the newest PA will not give you a feel for why it is hands down the best rom out there. As for transparency, that only works on the homescreen and in order to properly utilize it you must A. be using a compatible launcher which has the homescreen backgrounds drawn correctly ( i.e. Apex, Stock or Holo etc, NOVA does not work) B. Choose a correct transparent hexcode or slide the transparency bar to where you would like it for that said Launcher in the "apps" section of paranoid preferences. I am on 2.99 Beta 5 and have full transparency with no issues that you speak of (Photo included as proof), in fact, Beta 5 has added almost everything I want back into the rom and fully functional, I can hardly wait for v3.0, seriously, I cannot see ever using another rom after using paranoidandroid, it just has the edge on everything else out there. AOKP and CM have nothing on it especially when it's at 100% again, which will be in the next couple weeks at the rate it's awesome devs work at!
tabUI is not existant in 4.2, what you see right now is raw honeycomb. if you want to see how good it was install 2.54, thats still based on 4.1. but right now i got to make my hands dirty with this. i know that on xda most people do not understand the difference between developing and kanging, and they wonder "why's this rom slower than others" but someones gotta do the dirty work and im okay if crackflashers avoid ours. they avoid cm for the same reason.
as for hybrid engine, i dont think you have understood it yet. it works flawless and it gives you more customization than all roms on xda combined, IF you can handle it. yes, you are able to make a button pink in this and that rom, but hybrid can transform thousands of apps and components to the better, with practical implications that are unheard of. the apps that are running on your huge 720p screen were not optimized for it, they're in the same layout that applies to pocketwatches or stone age miniature phones like the htc wildfire.
as for opacity, no app, obviously, draws underneath the bars - why would it. the launcher can do it, but again - not all do. nova has even a bug that offsets the wallpapers which leaves a black gap. our launcher works, apex works, holo works and perhaps a bunch of others. no rom does it differently, simply because its impossible.
the real difference is that we are producing features that push androids boundaries, we are sick of a homogen rom culture that hasnt really moved one inch for a couple of years now. all these roms are the same, do you realize that? kanging has produced one grey mass and nothing stands out. when we are done with our beta we will of course bring in all the essential features aswell, but new features have greater priority. and these blow everthing related to it clean out of the water.
compare build.prop hacks with hybrid engine, its like night and day. this is quite possibly the biggest rom scene improvement android has ever had.
compare rom scene color tweaks with per-app-color, its like night and day. normal roms are static, they give you one color and thats that. our colors shift from app to app.
compare extended desktop (which also came from us) with per-app-fullscreen
compare our recents with clearall implementations,
we had the most versatile toggles on android in 4.1 (right now we're implementing a new panel which will come in beta6)
etc.
but you got to understand that this stuff takes alot of time. i know i could just rename an open source rom, call myself "founder," post in 30 device forums and make craploads of money here on xda, but i chose not to and im happy i found a few guys that think in the same way. im content with the few people that use PA and the support i get from those, i dont see myself competing with any other rom for that matter. i dont feel like i have to stop all my work now just because this and that rom has a minor option that we dont have at the moment.
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tabUI is not existant in 4.2, what you see right now is raw honeycomb. if you want to see how good it was install 2.54, thats still based on 4.1. but right now i got to make my hands dirty with this. i know that on xda most people do not understand the difference between developing and kanging, and they wonder "why's this rom slower than others" but someones gotta do the dirty work and im okay if crackflashers avoid ours. they avoid cm for the same reason.
as for hybrid engine, i dont think you have understood it yet. it works flawless and it gives you more customization than all roms on xda combined, IF you can handle it. yes, you are able to make a button pink in this and that rom, but hybrid can transform thousands of apps and components to the better, with practical implications that are unheard of. the apps that are running on your huge 720p screen were not optimized for it, they're in the same layout that applies to pocketwatches or stone age miniature phones like the htc wildfire.
as for opacity, no app, obviously, draws underneath the bars - why would it. the launcher can do it, but again - not all do. nova has even a bug that offsets the wallpapers which leaves a black gap. our launcher works, apex works, holo works and perhaps a bunch of others. no rom does it differently, simply because its impossible.
the real difference is that we are producing features that push androids boundaries, we are sick of a homogen rom culture that hasnt really moved one inch for a couple of years now. all these roms are the same, do you realize that? kanging has produced one grey mass and nothing stands out. when we are done with our beta we will of course bring in all the essential features aswell, but new features have greater priority. and these blow everthing related to it clean out of the water.
compare build.prop hacks with hybrid engine, its like night and day. this is quite possibly the biggest rom scene improvement android has ever had.
compare rom scene color tweaks with per-app-color, its like night and day. normal roms are static, they give you one color and thats that. our colors shift from app to app.
compare extended desktop (which also came from us) with per-app-fullscreen
compare our recents with clearall implementations,
we had the most versatile toggles on android in 4.1 (right now we're implementing a new panel which will come in beta6)
etc.
but you got to understand that this stuff takes alot of time. i know i could just rename an open source rom, call myself "founder," post in 30 device forums and make craploads of money here on xda, but i chose not to and im happy i found a few guys that think in the same way. im content with the few people that use PA and the support i get from those, i dont see myself competing with any other rom for that matter. i dont feel like i have to stop all my work now just because this and that rom has a minor option that we dont have at the moment.
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Wonderfully said.
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I just flashed to this rom yesterday and really like it so far. I am interested in flashing to the newest 2.99 version. Where I can get the correct download for my phone, and do I need to update my recovery and if so, where do I get the link for that?
Thanks
btvolta said:
I just flashed to this rom yesterday and really like it so far. I am interested in flashing to the newest 2.99 version. Where I can get the correct download for my phone, and do I need to update my recovery and if so, where do I get the link for that?
Thanks
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I think the new 4.2 based PA roms might only be available for the Nexus series phones and tablets currently since the developers have started over building it from the ground up using AOSP source instead of CyanogenMod. I am not certain if the code is out there for other devs to build on their particular devices yet though.