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[Q] How much internal storage space do you have?

I have only 40mb free internal, yet I don't have many apps at all.
Twitter takes up 10mb, maps takes up about the same, FB the same. Contacts storage takes up 17mb. so already almost 100mb used?!
Is this normal? On 2.1 eclair I think I had 90mb free. does this space affect phone speed or only app storage?
cheers
P.S. I have moved some apps to SD when the option was available in "manage application" only 3 megs of apps moved over though.

28mb internal storage free.
I also moved everything possible to SD when it became available.
I had to uninstall flash player update because I went down to about 15mb

thanks for your reply Lothaen. I guess it's kinda the "normal situation" then. A pity they just couldn't have included 1gig internal for all this stuff.

mcgon1979 said:
thanks for your reply Lothaen. I guess it's kinda the "normal situation" then. A pity they just couldn't have included 1gig internal for all this stuff.
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i have 56.45mb and have 200-300 apps, 5 gameloft games at 10-15mb each, nfs shift at 30mbs rockplayer universal at 12mbs and lots more lol use apps2sd+ duuuude lol

Yes but then they wouldn't have had much left to offer for the desire hd xD Well at least they show that they are learning for those mistakes, but i myself just use old a2sd+ and i have no problems concerning space what so ever.
75.6 mb. free space and i install an app every time i feel like it without considering the space. Atm. i have around 80 apps installed and google earth + maps is some of them

cheers guys. I'll look up this apps2sd+. I guess apps to SD didn't really come with Froyo causeI only had the option to put 3 apps there. I was under the impression we could put anything on the SD. I guess it's this apps2sd+ thing I need to educate myself about.
thanks

I got my Desire shipped with 2.2.
When I try to export programs over to the SD card, they are greyed out. Is there any reason for that? Or how can I move them?
It is a little frustrating not having a lot of internal memory to work with. I thought with 2.2 you could move programs over to the SD card ???????

Cpt_Chaos said:
I got my Desire shipped with 2.2.
When I try to export programs over to the SD card, they are greyed out. Is there any reason for that? Or how can I move them?
It is a little frustrating not having a lot of internal memory to work with. I thought with 2.2 you could move programs over to the SD card ???????
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With the Google A2SD you can only move apps over if the developer has enabled it for A2SD. Otherwise you get a greyed out button.
If you want more space then rooting and going for a custom ROM with A2SD+ is the way to go.
As for the OP, Facebook is on the Desire so isn't part of the storage you install to unless you're still on Android 2.1 and you're on about the update.

[Q] Internal Memory as Phone Memory?

I'm tired of been Google it this for days, it is even possible to use the internal memory as phone memory of may be partition it as a single one I dont use it anyway I have my 16 gb sd card and is just wasted memory

What are you asking?

if is possible to use the internal memory as phone/system memory

magikhands said:
if is possible to use the internal memory as phone/system memory
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I think there's a way to use it in a sort of apps2SD style. I wouldn't suggest it though because the eMMC used in the phone is slower than the SDcard and must share bandwidth with the system.

yeah i know what you mean, but the phone itself has 7ish gb of flash memory (total of 8gb) that dedicate 1gb to the system (746mb usable) so instead of been just there is there any way to use them as part of the system (as right now my phone sees 2 sd card the physical one (16gb) and the internal 6ish gb) this last one I don't use it at all so my question is is there any way to partion it the system one to be able to use the total 8gb internal flash memory?

Same way Motorola Droid X Does

Yes, edit the vold.fstab file in /system/etc and switch the last two lines. Specifically the the "auto" and beyond and the "3" and beyond. Leave what's before the auto and the 3 on the last two lines.

magikhands said:
yeah i know what you mean, but the phone itself has 7ish gb of flash memory (total of 8gb) that dedicate 1gb to the system (746mb usable) so instead of been just there is there any way to use them as part of the system (as right now my phone sees 2 sd card the physical one (16gb) and the internal 6ish gb) this last one I don't use it at all so my question is is there any way to partion it the system one to be able to use the total 8gb internal flash memory?
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I think the app NotEnoughSpace will do that for you. Or more to the point it will allow you to use some of that space for the /data/data partition which on the Dinc is allocated to 150MB and is responsible for the "Application out of space" errors people get all the time.

gilliduck said:
Yes, edit the vold.fstab file in /system/etc and switch the last two lines. Specifically the the "auto" and beyond and the "3" and beyond. Leave what's before the auto and the 3 on the last two lines.
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That just mounts emmc as sd and sd as emmc. I think what hes asking is if there is a way to dedicate more than 1gb of the memory to the system out of the 7gb free. So in other words out of 8 total gb he wants 7gb to be dedicated to the system and 1gb for emmc storage.
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cmlusco said:
That just mounts emmc as sd and sd as emmc. I think what hes asking is if there is a way to dedicate more than 1gb of the memory to the system out of the 7gb free. So in other words out of 8 total gb he wants 7gb to be dedicated to the system and 1gb for emmc storage.
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+1 on this as well.I just store important stuff on there which is nowhere near 1gb used. 700 some mb is just not enough for me.

dyetheskin said:
+1 on this as well.I just store important stuff on there which is nowhere near 1gb used. 700 some mb is just not enough for me.
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There has to be a way to do it i just have no clue how. But i would love to have more space for system.
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notenoughspace is useful for moving what's in /data/data so there's no more FC's and warnings when it gets low based on the old 150mb and under. all my media and storage of files is on a 16gb sd so I'm hardly using the emmc. once this is figured out I'll reset my /data/setup based on how much more space we can allocate for more apps outside the initial 1gb
update: after playing with "NES" and moving certain apps one by one to avoid problems I nearly have almost 120mb freed up in data/data and notice some increase in performance unless my eyes are fooling me

any news on this? I'd love to create more program memory out of the emmc

SD card as external vs sd-ext

Advantages and disadvamtages? What are they?
Thanks
Niall
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From my days on Desire, I found D2EXT much better cos ALL of the app was moved and the system was tricked into thinking the EXT part of the memory card was actually the internal memory (NAND). For some strange reason there was only few roms that had it (hence why i was on MIUI on my desire).
Don't understand the Xperia Play forum, very disorganised, gonna use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374061 to move my apps to SD card. Defo want more apps, hate this running out of space!!!!

Nhialor said:
Advantages and disadvamtages? What are they?
Thanks
Niall
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Basically the use of having an ext partition in your sdcard in the 1st place is our device's very poor internal storage(400mb) and the system is already taking up about half of it.
If you notice other devices with high internal storage as default (8gb, 16, 32gb like Galaxy S, SII, Note, Etc.,) doesnt even bother having it, even though its still possible.
If youre installing some user apps and its frustrating because you cant move it to SD card via settings menu, its because the app wants you to install it to the internal memory,
as they “believe” the app wouldn’t work in your SD card. If youre using a higher internal storage smartphone this isn’t much an issue to you, but if youre struggling for space,
this is quite annoying.
So the use of an ext-partition in your sd card is needed for those apps unmovable via the “normal way”.
Some 3rd party apps such as Link2sd(my personal favourite), Simple2Ext(CM7 rom), Apps2Sd, and many more out there will make use of this partition
These tools will “fool” your system in linking those user apps to your internal memory where in reality they’re moving it into your ext-partition, which is basically to your sd card also.
Take note that some apps though(well, not much) are not functional if they’re in the ext partition. In my experience only 2 apps failed to work, Beautiful Widgets and Minecraft pocket edition. I don’t know about others since
almost all apps seem to function well in the ext partition.
Not only that, some apps also(such as titanium backup) can convert a system app to a user app, so you can move it to your sd card using Link2Sd! But I wouldn’t recommend it though, I’m reading a lot of threads here
which system apps are safe to transfer/freeze/delete, so I have some system apps converted to user and now on my ext partition. Sweet.
Hope Ive helped.

Can I second noojster on Link2SD. Both minecraft and beautiful widgets work fine for me. Jelly Defense doesn't seem to like it though. Only one I have found so far.

[Q] Apps to SD Card?

So my tablet is getting pretty full(its an 8gb), and I want to move some of my apps to my 16gb sd card, but I dont know how, I tried the Apps2SD app, but it doesnt seem to work. Can anyone help me out?

No, none of the Froyo/Gingerbread utilities work with Honeycomb due to the different memory arrangement. Here is some more discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1415472

Ugh okay, so I can only delete apps to make room for others?

You can back up your apps to .apks on your external sd card, using either ES File Manager or Astro. That makes it easy to delete them and later re-install them.

shadowskater555 said:
Ugh okay, so I can only delete apps to make room for others?
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Its been discussed pretty heavily in other threads, (using search will find them) just moving the app won't do a whole lot for you since the data for the app is still stored in the internal memory. I created a internal to external memory swap found in the development section to help with this problem but using a 16gb external card won't be a whole lot of extra space (although it'll still be better than the 5.7gb of space that the internal memory has for storage).

While it wont help with apps, most often its the apps data that is a problem not the app itself so I use the app GL to SD from the market
https://market.android.com/details?...t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5zbGYuTGlzdGdsQXBwIl0.
You have to be rooted but I find it works great. Its designed to store game data for Gameloft games on your SD card instead of your internal memory since most of them take in the neighborhood of 800MB a piece (or more) but it works for seemingly anything.
So far it has also successfully worked for every game I have used it on including GTAIII, Sonic CD, and Galaxy on Fire 2 to name a few.
It also lets you specify custom mount points for those apps that store their data in a weird space.

[Q] Can't install apps when Tab S 10.5 gets to about 500MB remaining

Hi all,
I have a Galaxy S 10.5 (16GB) that I picked up in September of 2014. I love the thing but it's showing a weird issue. Any time I hit 500MB storage remaining, Google Play Store will no longer update apps. It gives me an insufficient storage notification. I can go in and clear the cache and everything is great - until I get to 500MB remaining again. Then I have to find more space again.
I've had a 64GB SD card installed in the device since I purchased it. I store music there and move apps that support it to the memory card. I was hoping that having the SD card would make the (insufficient) 16GB of storage liveable. It hasn't and the 500MB has only made it more challenging.
Has anyone seen this before and/or have any ideas what might be going on here.
Thanks!

I think that might be the limit of free space that must be available for the System to use. Think of it like a fail-safe approach to keep the tablet running smooth while it is constantly caching, deleting/creating temporary files, and allocating memory space in the background. Without sufficient free space available, it can't do those functions.

LakersDroid said:
I think that might be the limit of free space that must be available for the System to use. Think of it like a fail-safe approach to keep the tablet running smooth while it is constantly caching, deleting/creating temporary files, and allocating memory space in the background. Without sufficient free space available, it can't do those functions.
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Thanks. That seems reasonable. It's particularly annoying because the OS occupies almost 5GB of the 16GB I'm supposed to have. I'd rather Google/Samsung throw that 500MB into the 5GB they already have rather than tease me by telling me it's available but essentially unusable.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

<rant> First and foremost I completely agree that Google's handling of external memory, or their lack of wanting to handle, or let users use microSD cards is wrong. The way it handles moving program data to external cards in kitkat is horrible and lollipop honestly is not much better, but at least users were determined to be sufficiently old and intelligent enough to be "allowed" to grant programs permission to manage our external data instead of only letting oem programs that ability. </rant>
With all that said the answer to your issue is even more simple then that. All Programs take up at minium 2x the space while you are updating them. You have the apk (the update) and the actual program existing at the same time. Not to mention that the programs tend to take up more space then apk's due to compression of resources and other things. Given those 2 things instead of trusting that the user won't download a 200MB update and seeing it is only 200MB put annother 200MB of music on the device while it is downloading causing issues google puts a free space cap.
I always thought that the system memory is included in that block of space the 4-5GB that the OS and bloat live in.

There HAS to be some spaced reserved for the OS or the tablet would crash. data is constantly written to the data partition which is part of the internal storage and this space is needed to run the device.
I have run into this issue myself, but its easily resolved by moving all unecessary stuff to the sd card - downloads, music, media, apps e.t.c.
All it takes is a bit of housekeeping every now and then. Download an app called All-in-One toolkit from play, it will find loads of junk files which you can safely delete to free a fair amount of space.
However I agree it was rather stingy of Samsung not to include 32gGb of internal storage which should be the minium for a so called flagship device.

Yeah, this issue of less than usable sdcard is also worrying me.
I had a Galaxy tab 8.9 (which came to the market in 2011) before this. It had 16gb and no SDcard. Storage was a pain.
AFAIR, also there is no Gmail syncing when below the limit. Imagine the frustration not getting your emails and trying to find something to delete.
I was hoping the SD card in the tab S would be more usable, but alas. At least Lollipop is slightly better, but only if the apps wanna use it. I get frustrated when dictionary app Merriam Webster for example stores its 100 megabytes data file in internal memory. Same with TED app videos.
And of course, current Rom and OS used almost double the storage for system as the tablet from 2011. Android 4.0.4. Apps have become bigger too.
Sent from my HTC One X+ (64g of internal memory, yeah!)

fred_be9300 said:
At least Lollipop is slightly better, but only if the apps wanna use it. I get frustrated when dictionary app Merriam Webster for example stores its 100 megabytes data file in internal memory. Same with TED app videos.
And of course, current Rom and OS used almost double the storage for system as the tablet from 2011. Android 4.0.4. Apps have become bigger too.
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Precisely! The Samsung text-to-speech engine takes up at least 300MB of storage. Facebook consumes about 200MB. The Kindle app (sort of understandable since I have a lot of books) uses almost 200MB. Very little of any of that can be saved to my 60% empty SD card. Add in Newsstand and other similar apps and space is eaten up very quickly. Super annoying...

I'm now discovering this problem and it is really annoying. Is rooting the only way of getting round this? I don't want to do this but I don't think I have an option. I only have 500MB left on internal but 40GB on my 64GB micro sd.

mightywhites29111971 said:
I'm now discovering this problem and it is really annoying.
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I'm not even sure that rooting would change much about this. With rooting you can remove some of the limitations in KK and Lp about writing to the external sd card...
But this will not get applications to spontaneously use the external sd card instead of the internal SD card, for their data.
I know there used to be tricks like a2sd, link2sd, and other variations... which were widespread 3-5 years ago. To make the device believe, through symlinks and crafted mounts, that an ext3 partition on the sdcard was a part of internal data. It was often cause for instability if executed less than perfectly.
I had this on my HTC Desire, a "flagship" phone from 5 years ago, with top of the line hardware: cpu , mem, screen, but with only 250mb for internal data.
I have not searched for it specifically but so far I've not seen anybody talking about those tricks for this device.

Disk Usage
This is a free app that shows you exactly where your storage space has gone. None of this nebulous "miscellaneous" nonsense. I was able to recover about my existing free space in extra space from stuff I didn't realize was still in my storage. While this is not a solution to not being able to store all your apps on an external card it might just help a few ppl get that extra space they need.

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Disk Usage
This is a free app that shows you exactly where your storage space has gone. None of this nebulous "miscellaneous" nonsense. I was able to recover about my existing free space in extra space from stuff I didn't realize was still in my storage. While this is not a solution to not being able to store all your apps on an external card it might just help a few ppl get that extra space they need.
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Thanks for that. Have downloaded that and had a look and I have nearly 5GB of OBB files! I think this is where my issue is, and I think the only way I can resolve this for myself is to root and use an app that transfers OBB files to SD.

mightywhites29111971 said:
Thanks for that. Have downloaded that and had a look and I have nearly 5GB of OBB files! I think this is where my issue is, and I think the only way I can resolve this for myself is to root and use an app that transfers OBB files to SD.
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I hope that works out for you. I gave up on the idea of moving obb files that didn't want to move (way too much hassle for something that does not always work right) and instead decided to have less massive obb apps (games) installed at one time. I can only do one thing at a time anyways.