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Any benefits of SD partitioning?

I Google's and became more confused on this. Is there any benefit to this other than if you somehow reach Max storage on the phone? So if I partition the SD do I have to us apps2sd? Can I just use titanium backup and put on SD card or does that not us the partition I created? Alot of apps don't work with move2sd app. Apps2sd isn't I'm the market. Also doesn't show much apps and I know the developer has to sign or do something so it will work.. bit don't want people to share for free. But titanium does it was any app.
From what I read this phone doesn't work like a computer with the memory. What I mean is if I use the system app and shows a list of apps running "if you can say running I'm not sure" its not really slowing my phone down. From what I understand is if I force close them I will use more power and CPU when my phone starts them back up...
So is there any benefit? Do I really need to force close any programs or apps that are running and I'm not using. Etc Gmail. I don't use Gmail. Just a example as I already deleted the apk.
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No.generally you don't need to force anything to close. It is possible to come along a ****ty app that never sleeps, but that's rare.
Regarding partitioning for apps2sd, it is very highly unlikely that you need this on the evo or future phones. The benefit is being able to put apps on the card that disallow froyos ability to put apps on the card. You really don't have that many apps that don't allow it.
Check out "sdmove" in the market as the native way to move apps is annoying as ****.
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Yeah that app shows only 3 apps I can move while titanium I moved 16.. hit the 1700 mark with cm6 with stock kernel.
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Should I un-partition my SD card
I have Apps2SD but I don't see the benefit of it. I just end up waiting longer for devs(like Virus) to work it into their latest releases.
Is there any substantial benefit of having my SD card partitioned and using Apps2SD?
(FYI i have a 16gb class6 card)
Thanks in advance.

MattySauce said:
I have Apps2SD but I don't see the benefit of it. I just end up waiting longer for devs(like Virus) to work it into their latest releases.
Is there any substantial benefit of having my SD card partitioned and using Apps2SD?
(FYI i have a 16gb class6 card)
Thanks in advance.
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* Native move to SD can't move everything (as already stated). Darktremor moves everything, automatically.
* Native move to SD puts everything on the main SD partition, and whenever you plug your Evo in in disk drive mode, the apps on the SD become unavailable. With Darktremor, they all still work, even when the Evo is in disk drive mode.

[Q] Apps2SD worth it?

So with 2 gb of storage (is that 2gb on the internal sd? or on the phone?) is APPS2SD worth it? Don't you lose a little speed depending on your card? I'm going with my 16gb class 2 because I wanted more space than my 8gb which is a class 6.
Can someone break down the multi storage?
We got storage on the phone, storage on an internal 'usb' and we got the external sd? how do they work with each other, what holds what for apps, etc.

I don't own one yet. I have to wait until Sunday to get mine for reasons I won't go into here. So I'll answer this as best I can with just my in store observations as I checked this part out thoroughly.
The phone comes with 16gb internal(USB) storage and an SD card slot. Phones with USB storage partition some portion of that USB storage for installing apps and the components of the phones OS. My observation that was of the 16gb internal on the Epic 4G touch, 2GB was in the 'secure' partitioned area for app installation leaving just over 11 GB free in the USB accessible area for putting your own files, camera storage, etc. This tells me that the phone is nabbing ~3GB for the OS and it's internal file system. Of the 2GB in the protected app installation area, there was roughly 1.7GB free.
From Froyo forward the developer had the option adding the ability to move the app to the SD card after you install it. In the case of the 4G touch, I'm not sure if you get the option of picking whether you want to install to the unused(11GB) area of USB storage or to the actual SD card in the microsd slot. I would hope that they give you this option. When you move an app from the internal non accessible app installation area, only a large portion of the app is moved, there is still some portion that remains in this 'protected'(on non rooted phones) app install area, in this example the 2GB partition mentioned earlier.
Eventually even with moving apps to the sd card, this 2gb area will fill up, and not all apps offer the ability to move to the SD card, though more are being updated to add this feature. Though you would have to install a TON of apps(and/or install a lot that don't allow moving to SD card) to fill it.
For example the Epic 4g only has 512MB total ROM for app installation. On my rooted, SRF 1.2(Bloatware removed) Epic 4g before I install apps, I have close to 400MB free in this area. Using the move apps to SD card on all the apps I have that offer it, I have roughly 85 apps installed and still have a little over 100MB free.
Again, your mileage will vary based on the apps and whether they offer to move to SD card. But knowing this and knowing that the 4G touch has 1.7 GB free, you can extrapolate that you will have enough room to install a boatload of apps before space becomes an issue.
HTH

PsycloneTW said:
I don't own one yet. I have to wait until Sunday to get mine for reasons I won't go into here. So I'll answer this as best I can with just my in store observations as I checked this part out thoroughly.
The phone comes with 16gb internal(USB) storage and an SD card slot. Phones with USB storage partition some portion of that USB storage for installing apps and the components of the phones OS. My observation that was of the 16gb internal on the Epic 4G touch, 2GB was in the 'secure' partitioned area for app installation leaving just over 11 GB free in the USB accessible area for putting your own files, camera storage, etc. This tells me that the phone is nabbing ~3GB for the OS and it's internal file system. Of the 2GB in the protected app installation area, there was roughly 1.7GB free.
From Froyo forward the developer had the option adding the ability to move the app to the SD card after you install it. In the case of the 4G touch, I'm not sure if you get the option of picking whether you want to install to the unused(11GB) area of USB storage or to the actual SD card in the microsd slot. I would hope that they give you this option. When you move an app from the internal non accessible app installation area, only a large portion of the app is moved, there is still some portion that remains in this 'protected'(on non rooted phones) app install area, in this example the 2GB partition mentioned earlier.
Eventually even with moving apps to the sd card, this 2gb area will fill up, and not all apps offer the ability to move to the SD card, though more are being updated to add this feature. Though you would have to install a TON of apps(and/or install a lot that don't allow moving to SD card) to fill it.
For example the Epic 4g only has 512MB total ROM for app installation. On my rooted, SRF 1.2(Bloatware removed) Epic 4g before I install apps, I have close to 400MB free in this area. Using the move apps to SD card on all the apps I have that offer it, I have roughly 85 apps installed and still have a little over 100MB free.
Again, your mileage will vary based on the apps and whether they offer to move to SD card. But knowing this and knowing that the 4G touch has 1.7 GB free, you can extrapolate that you will have enough room to install a boatload of apps before space becomes an issue.
HTH
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Thanks for the great explanation. I had a similar rooted setup on my OG Epic. Almost 100 apps and maintained just over 100mb available.
By the way, when you remove the bloatware that you CAN remove (only like 6 apps) you'll be pretty close to 2gb available. However, I've already added all my apps onto my Epic Touch, and still have 1.47gb available for apps. I see no reason to move anything to SD right now, as I assume it slows down just a tad trying to retrieve the apps from the sd. I imagine as I load some upcoming bigger games, I may find the need, but not right now.

I was just discussing this with a buddy on irc. there is absolutely no reason to have a2sd any more. out of the box my phone had 11.8gb of rom free. no way you are going to install ~12gb of apps on your phone. I just reformatted my 32gb sd card and am only using it for storage now. I love this phone.
I tested before formatting my card and when you do use a2sd it goes to the sd card (internal rom) and not the external sd card. at least how it worked for me.

I was struggling with app space memory on my Evo 4G and moved any app I could find to SD (except for Meridian Player -- widgets will not work if you move the app to SD). On my Galaxy Tab, with 2GB or app space, I've loaded a ****load of apps, most of which are games I never play. I haven't moved a single app to SD and I still have 400MB free, or more free app space that the Evo 4G had out of the box. If you're the kind of person that will download and install any app indiscriminately, you may need to start moving some of them to SD. But for typical use, 2GB basically covers it.

There's always link2sd which moves the app,library files and cache to the ext partition you setup on sdcard.
Great for app junkies like myself and the 700+ apps I currently use on my g2x. Can't wait to test it out on my epic 4g touch tomorrow!
The expression on peoples faces when they try to scroll thru all my phones apps is priceless lol
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d12unk13astard said:
There's always link2sd which moves the app,library files and cache to the ext partition you setup on sdcard.
Great for app junkies like myself and the 700+ apps I currently use on my g2x. Can't wait to test it out on my epic 4g touch tomorrow!
The expression on peoples faces when they try to scroll thru all my phones apps is priceless lol
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henbone11 said:
I was just discussing this with a buddy on irc. there is absolutely no reason to have a2sd any more. out of the box my phone had 11.8gb of rom free. no way you are going to install ~12gb of apps on your phone. I just reformatted my 32gb sd card and am only using it for storage now. I love this phone.
I tested before formatting my card and when you do use a2sd it goes to the sd card (internal rom) and not the external sd card. at least how it worked for me.
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I will partially agree with this. If you download something like CoPilot or Sygic GPS nav that uses your device to store maps, this measly 11.8GB will evaporate rather quickly.
Those, you'd definitely WANT to move to SD.

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Lol exactly
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d12unk13astard said:
Lol exactly
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How many pages did he go to find this one? Lol

Power84 said:
How many pages did he go to find this one? Lol
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1, I searched
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d12unk13astard said:
There's always link2sd which moves the app,library files and cache to the ext partition you setup on sdcard.
Great for app junkies like myself and the 700+ apps I currently use on my g2x. Can't wait to test it out on my epic 4g touch tomorrow!
The expression on peoples faces when they try to scroll thru all my phones apps is priceless lol
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How can someone possible use 700+ apps on their phone. On sure over half never even get opened.
Hit me up on gtalk @musclehead84

I just like having everything available and seeing peoples reactions when they scroll thru my phone. Link2sd is bo$$ for that reason since regular apps2sd only fits a fraction of my apps/games.
Btw just got my epic 4g loving it!
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[Q] Apps to SD Card?

So my tablet is getting pretty full(its an 8gb), and I want to move some of my apps to my 16gb sd card, but I dont know how, I tried the Apps2SD app, but it doesnt seem to work. Can anyone help me out?

No, none of the Froyo/Gingerbread utilities work with Honeycomb due to the different memory arrangement. Here is some more discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1415472

Ugh okay, so I can only delete apps to make room for others?

You can back up your apps to .apks on your external sd card, using either ES File Manager or Astro. That makes it easy to delete them and later re-install them.

shadowskater555 said:
Ugh okay, so I can only delete apps to make room for others?
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Its been discussed pretty heavily in other threads, (using search will find them) just moving the app won't do a whole lot for you since the data for the app is still stored in the internal memory. I created a internal to external memory swap found in the development section to help with this problem but using a 16gb external card won't be a whole lot of extra space (although it'll still be better than the 5.7gb of space that the internal memory has for storage).

While it wont help with apps, most often its the apps data that is a problem not the app itself so I use the app GL to SD from the market
https://market.android.com/details?...t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5zbGYuTGlzdGdsQXBwIl0.
You have to be rooted but I find it works great. Its designed to store game data for Gameloft games on your SD card instead of your internal memory since most of them take in the neighborhood of 800MB a piece (or more) but it works for seemingly anything.
So far it has also successfully worked for every game I have used it on including GTAIII, Sonic CD, and Galaxy on Fire 2 to name a few.
It also lets you specify custom mount points for those apps that store their data in a weird space.

Highly disappointed with lack of app2sd RANT

Partially my fault for not researching jellybean...just read about how smooth it was & didnt expect them to take features away. I recall reading the article about the bs reason saying people confuse the internal & external memory. U would think they wouldve learned from wp7 when they took away sd support & started being like apple. I figured it was bs article. I wasnt even planning on buying a phone but my 4g slide tapped out after a few case less drops. I was just gonna buy another mytouch since theres not much of high end qwerty selection but gn2 note caught my eye.

I was sort of mad too, but around 10gb for apps has been plenty for me when I put everything else on external memory.
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Note_2 said:
I was sort of mad too, but around 10gb for apps has been plenty for me when I put everything else on external memory.
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Im deleting apps all the time to be able to get new one.
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There has to be a way around this...

It's not that people confuse the memory. The problem is that when an app is put onto your SD card, it cannot sync correctly with the operating system. Therefore, Google is doing what they can to keep users from putting apps onto their SD cards. Hence the lack of the SD slot in Nexus devices.

lowandbehold said:
It's not that people confuse the memory. The problem is that when an app is put onto your SD card, it cannot sync correctly with the operating system. Therefore, Google is doing what they can to keep users from putting apps onto their SD cards. Hence the lack of the SD slot in Nexus devices.
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u sound like a pr rep lol...im still a android newbie but Ive never have ne problems with apps relating to my sd. If a app/game works best or only on the phones memory most developers ive came have stated up front it even back to my wm days.

I'm pissed at this too. This app2sd and the "no more free tethering" thing is pushing me over the edge to go rooted.
I'll never buy a Nexus because of their flawed philosophy that Google has adopted:
1. Non removable battery.
2. No removable storage. "Everything belongs in the Cloud" I call BS!
I've got a 64 Gb SD card that's somewhat useless if I can't install apps on it. And since only the 16 Gb versions of the Note 2 are in circulation it's very disappointing.

The ship has sailed. Google hates external storage. Don't expect to ever see official OS support for it going forward. It's irritating but reality.

I agree this is total bs. I will not buy another phone that doesnt have external sd. Had an Htc one S and I hated it for that reason. (sense is terrible also)

Hope there's an easy fix soon since I use the GN2 as my table and smartphone now. Didn't have any issues before since I had most games on my N7 but now I'm out of room

There are work arounds. But real fix as of this date.
This is Samsung following Google wishes. I just hope the GN3 will have at least 64gb of internal storage. Then we can use the SD the way Google wants SD cards used. The worst part is that many apps that download media content into your device doesn't allow to save the media content within the extSdCard. That is really annoying. Without being able to use the extSdCard as a media content storage then what does Google expect we use SD cards for?
Samsung is part in fault too. Samsung is well known to put too little storage and main memory into PPC devices. I remember my Samsung Omnia i910. I had to move so many files from the main memory into the storage memory and even into SD card. Then I had to work on other files, like the registry, ini files, etc.. to point to the files I moved. All just to get more space within the main memory for more apps. Windows OS, even Windows Mobile, added major files within the Windows directory every time you install another app that took so much room within the smallest main memory. Samsung is doing similar with GN2. 10gb is barely any room now days with Android.
Samsung needs to lead the pack all the way. SD card, large screen and large capacity of removable battery, 1.6 quad-core, 2gb RAM is not enough to lead the pack all the way. They also need to lead the pack with 1080+ res screen and 64gb+ internal storage memory. I feel that Samsung miss the "leader of the pack" mark with GN2. Samsung needs to realize they are competing against other Androids as well as iPhone.
But the blame starts at Google on app2sd issue.

Switch internal to external(sdcard)
want to have more app storage space for your HD games and what not, here’s a simple App2SD script you can use to store all of your apps on your microSD card. *This will essentially swap your internal storage with your microSD card and allow you to use up to 64GB of space (if you use 64GB microSD card).This should work on all the Galaxy Note 2, test on international GT-N7100, T-Mobile SGH-T889, and Sprint SPH-L900.
Step 1. First, you will need a rooted Galaxy Note 2. *This will work on any custom ROMs except CM10 or AOKP.
Step 2. Second, I highly recommend you to format your microSD card before using this. *Also, after formatting you can copy the contents of your internal storage to your microSD card
Step 3. Download the script on your phone: downloadandroidrom.com/file/GalaxyNote2/app2sdNote2
Step 4. Install and open Script Manager app on Play Store.
Step 5. Using Script Manager app, find the app2sd script on your microSD card and enable “SU” and “Boot”. Step 6. Reboot. *You should now see your microSD card used as internal storage and internal storage as microSD card.

Will this work with a rooted phone but with stock rom? How effective is this method?
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I've been running the storage swap script for a couple months now with no issues. I've used it on stock based roms kernel s along with custom ones as well. I'm using a 32GB fat 32 and am not sure if it supports exfat on 64 cards. Go look for it via search. It's in the sgs3 section somewhere. It's truly a lifesaver for us app/game hoarders

Ill look into that i have a 64gb card i would really like to put to use i only have 2gb available after only 4 games, do you have a link don where to get instructions and files?
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This really is more of an issue with app developers not allowing data to be stored on extsdcard. They would only need to pop up a box with options of were to store the large data files. It could look like this:
search device for sdcard implementation (/sdcard, /extsdcard, /sdacard/ext/, etc.)
pop-up box displays radio button with each storage location, really cool deb's would add option for custom location.
Set location to variable, use variable throughout program.
Just my 2 cents, I think that either this needs to occur or google require a set way of implementing internal/external SD cards.
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Root and install Directory Bind
I was disappointed too and only got 1gb left on my internal and have 64 gb almost unused mSD. So I finally decided to root my phone and install Directory Bind.
Working as intended now.

I have a post in the themes & apps forum with an app I found on the market that let's you store your game data onto an sd card.
It's called gl2sd, you can check in that forum (there's a direct link to it), or just search the market.
Not sure it supports exfat, but it's worth a quick look.
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_Dennis_ said:
This really is more of an issue with app developers not allowing data to be stored on extsdcard. They would only need to pop up a box with options of were to store the large data files. It could look like this:
search device for sdcard implementation (/sdcard, /extsdcard, /sdacard/ext/, etc.)
pop-up box displays radio button with each storage location, really cool deb's would add option for custom location.
Set location to variable, use variable throughout program.
Just my 2 cents, I think that either this needs to occur or google require a set way of implementing internal/external SD cards.
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Excellent point, friend! You always make good/useful comments and could always use more users like you.:highfive: A few minor points, I do miss move to sd option so the lack of kinda falls in line with this forced move to dropbox, cloud, lack of sd card etc. Oh sh!t don't get me started on the Nextel line these days. I have to say the manufacturers and Google are just as responsible as developers. They're all guilty really lol Besides those poor moves though, Android is doing great. I am so glad I preordered that G1 many moons ago. I guess its all who you ask I guess and sometimes we are stuck in our old ways... even us techies. Fo example, I was really stubborn about qwertys and surprisingly don't miss it. So who knows? It's either we're too stubborn to change or we don't like being told what to do.... maybe both Either way, the storage swap script works flawlessly once you set it up properly. As I mentioned earlier, not sure about 64 exfat but I'm sure you can switch it to fat 32 plus all you cm10 fans will have done this already. Hope that helps some...

I use this app to move big data files to the external sd https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slf.ListglApp&hl=en
I also use this app to get around the "insufficient storage" error that sometimes occurs https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.buak.Link2SD

[Q] anything like HBOOT to repartition internal memory?

Hi!
As I understand the Xperia S has a huge internal memory of 32GB, but this is parted into two partitions: One for Apps (known as /data on my HTC Desire) and one for all kinds of user data (/sdcard).
Right?
I know I can move most parts of most apps to /sdcard with internal functions. But not all apps.
So I would like to have more space for apps - is there anything like HBOOT / http://alpharev.nl to repartition the internal memory for the XS? Anything to make the app partition e.g. 5GB instead of 2GB?
Or: Is there any custom rom which uses the whole internal memory at once with no extra partition mounted to /sdcard? As I understand, this is the way google wants to handle this in ICS. One big internal memory for all purposes.

First, there is a SD card, a data one, a system one, a cache one, boot and maybe some obscure ones. Second, as I'm aware, no known way to increase it. And you don't need a huge partition. You can have a hell lot of apps with 2 GB. The data goes to SD card anyway.
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And you don't need a huge partition. You can have a hell lot of apps with 2 GB. The data goes to SD card anyway.
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to be honest, I am not sure about this.
At the moment I have a Desire with /data 1,5GB (via ext4 partition). I have only 200MB(!) left!
I have no big games on the phones. Some apps are moved to sd, additional. And there are no many big ones on my phone.
e.g. Facebook has 50MB and cannot be moved. G+ 30MB and I want to use the widget, so it is not moved. Amazon App Shop 30MB, cannot be moved. wetter.com 20MB and this is after moving!
And these are all of the huge apps on my Desire with only 200MB free. the other apps are odds and ends.
So, projected to the XS I would have 700MB free in the moment. And there are many apps I had to delete on my Desire and I want do install them. e.g. the Simpsons game 100MB and cannot be moved ...
/data 233MB free of 1511MB:
/data/app 426MB
/data/dalvik-cache 387MB
/data/data 300MB
/data/app_s 97MB

I, sometimes get to go through my apps list, I look at each one of them, and think: Do I really need this app? I can't uninstall it and download when I need it again?
It may help you.
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hm, this sounds like shortage management. And when I by a new phone I do not want to do shortage management, particularly on a phone with 32GB.
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But seriously: my smartphone is my digital Swiss army knife. I do not want to think about "do I need this app the next week?" And even worse "there was an app long time ago which would help me now, but which one from the bunch of similar named app was the one?"

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hm, this sounds like shortage management. And when I by a new phone I do not want to do shortage management, particularly on a phone with 32GB.
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But seriously: my smartphone is my digital Swiss army knife. I do not want to think about "do I need this app the next week?" And even worse "there was an app long time ago which would help me now, but which one from the bunch of similar named app was the one?"
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I get it... Well. I'm running out of options right now... Maybe move some apps to system? Needs root, tough
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dont know if this is what youre looking for:
well for storage you have 2gig phone memory and 25.80 internal memory,
all of the apps installed on your phone if you didnt move to sd will go to the phone memory which is 2gig,
all of the datas,obb files,pictures,movies,etc.. will be loaded on internal memory,
so the 2gig memory on your phone will be big enough for all your apps, meaning only the .apk files are stored on phone memory
and not the data.