I have a Samsung Galaxy SIII from AT&T (d2att ), and I have it rooted, running task650's AOKP, and TWRP 2.4.1.0 for recovery. It works fantastic, and I love it I have, however, been trying everything I can think of to try and get ktoonsez's kernel to work on it, for the features that his kernel offers. I am having a funky issue, which according to task, kt, and a few others on the boards, is device-related. It seems that my phone, individually, is the problem. This leads me to my question.
How feasible is it to get AT&T (or Samsung?) to replace my phone, based on the fact that there is something different hardware-wise between mine and the vast majority of other peoples?
It seems that nearly everyone who runs this combination of task and ktoonsez has nothing but good things to say, and I have yet to see anyone gripe about the same issues that I have had, and not be able to fix them, usually by a simple full wipe. I have tried to do full wipes with and without letting Google initialize/restore my account. I have tried going back to stock everything, and trying again. I have made sure to turn off Performance Control, so there should be no conflict there. I have tried setting up my phone in its entirety, restoring information, restoring apps with TiBu, and then installing the kernel. I have tried with and without deleting mpdecision. I am following all of the directions posted per OP for both threads, and with the gapps posted by task himself. Nothing works, and I end up in a glitchy boot loop almost immediately after flashing the kernel, even if my phone was running buttery stable before the flash.
I have come up with a couple things to try tonight, but if they don't work, I would like to pursue getting a new phone to replace this one. Is that an option?
You will need to do a warranty replacement through Samsung unless you have device insurance through att. But then you will be paying the deductable on it.
There are quite a few reports of people in ktoonsez's thread that stated they had to return their device and get a new one for his kernel to work. Not sure you searched good enough. But either way, you are not the first to have a device that cant run his kernel. I can assure you of that.
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You will need to do a warranty replacement through Samsung unless you have device insurance through att. But then you will be paying the deductable on it.
There are quite a few reports of people in ktoonsez's thread that stated they had to return their device and get a new one for his kernel to work. Not sure you searched good enough. But either way, you are not the first to have a device that cant run his kernel. I can assure you of that.
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Thank you. I may not have read it well enough Do you mean the deductible through Samsung or AT&T? And ho do I approach the warranty? I know, at least where I work, we wouldn't honor a warranty on something that was used for purposes outside of it's intended use (i.e. rooting). Granted, I don't work for a phone company
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Thank you. I may not have read it well enough Do you mean the deductible through Samsung or AT&T? And ho do I approach the warranty? I know, at least where I work, we wouldn't honor a warranty on something that was used for purposes outside of it's intended use (i.e. rooting). Granted, I don't work for a phone company
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It would be the deductible through AT&T if you have device insurance. If going through Samsung, something would have to be a manufacturers defect in order for them to warrant a replacement device. I don't think either company will replace the device because you can't use a custom kernel. So you would need to get creative on your story before you go either route.
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It would be the deductible through AT&T if you have device insurance. If going through Samsung, something would have to be a manufacturers defect in order for them to warrant a replacement device. I don't think either company will replace the device because you can't use a custom kernel. So you would need to get creative on your story before you go either route.
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Time to get creative lol
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Settling In
I don't know if this could be a factor but, you will experience something commonly called a settling in period after installing a new kernel.
I have been through trying a couple other custom kernels for I747 plus all the progression of KT747 releases for TW ICS and TW JB since 9-23 release and have been through two phones due to warranty replacement. On both phones I have experienced significant settling in glitches for a while after flashing KT's or other kernels. These include crashing on boot, frequent screen freezes after boot, KTweaker settings not sticking, etc. These issues are far more extreme on first install of kernel than when flashing a new release to phone that already has kernel installed. First boot after first install can take about twenty problematic boot attempts to start behaving and it can take two or three days before kernel "settles in" and problems pretty much disappear.
In my feeble little mind, I envision the new kernel having to grow neurons into the guts of the phone hardware.
If you want to run this kernel and your phone will basically boot but, is all glitchy, I would say don't freak out. Have some patience, just keep rebooting, and give it time to settle in. For most the phone will straighten out in a few days.
Hope this helps.
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I don't know if this could be a factor but, you will experience something commonly called a settling in period after installing a new kernel.
I have been through trying a couple other custom kernels for I747 plus all the progression of KT747 releases for TW ICS and TW JB since 9-23 release and have been through two phones due to warranty replacement. On both phones I have experienced significant settling in glitches for a while after flashing KT's or other kernels. These include crashing on boot, frequent screen freezes after boot, KTweaker settings not sticking, etc. These issues are far more extreme on first install of kernel than when flashing a new release to phone that already has kernel installed. First boot after first install can take about twenty problematic boot attempts to start behaving and it can take two or three days before kernel "settles in" and problems pretty much disappear.
In my feeble little mind, I envision the new kernel having to grow neurons into the guts of the phone hardware.
If you want to run this kernel and your phone will basically boot but, is all glitchy, I would say don't freak out. Have some patience, just keep rebooting, and give it time to settle in. For most the phone will straighten out in a few days.
Hope this helps.
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I suppose that is possibly what's going on with mine, I'll give it a couple more tries
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Just an advice, make sure you restore everything to stock before you do
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Just an advice, make sure you restore everything to stock before you do
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I will be doing that In the meantime, any suggestions for how to explain my way into a warranty exchange? I thought about wiping everything, so it won't even boot, and saying that lol
Also, even if I flash back to stock, won't they be able to see that it had been flashed different before?
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I will be doing that In the meantime, any suggestions for how to explain my way into a warranty exchange? I thought about wiping everything, so it won't even boot, and saying that lol
Also, even if I flash back to stock, won't they be able to see that it had been flashed different before?
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Just depends on how thorough the at&t rep is. You have to Odin back to stock, triangle away, unroot and factory reset for them not to know at all.
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I will be doing that In the meantime, any suggestions for how to explain my way into a warranty exchange? I thought about wiping everything, so it won't even boot, and saying that lol
Also, even if I flash back to stock, won't they be able to see that it had been flashed different before?
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Do not intentionally brick your device. That could be just as bad as leaving your phone rooted when you take it in (depending if Samsung can see any part of the storage). As far as warranty exchange "excuse" that is on you to decide. Follow the post quoted below to help your chance at warranty exchange. This has been discussed quite a bit all over the place.
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Just depends on how thorough the at&t rep is. You have to Odin back to stock, triangle away, unroot and factory reset for them not to know at all.
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You know, I've run tasks rom since it was still 4.1 and have always used the kernel provided in his rom. It runs great, and I wouldn't change it. My battery life and everything else is great. I can get 17 hrs with 3 hrs 34 mins screen time and have 20% battery left. I think trying to get a replacement device just to run a different kernel is absurd... just my .02 cents worth
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You know, I've run tasks rom since it was still 4.1 and have always used the kernel provided in his rom. It runs great, and I wouldn't change it. My battery life and everything else is great. I can get 17 hrs with 3 hrs 34 mins screen time and have 20% battery left. I think trying to get a replacement device just to run a different kernel is absurd... just my .02 cents worth
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I completely agree. I'm on tasks currently using his underwear kernel provided. I've also tried KT's kernel as well. Yes you can get more customization with KT's and his custom governor, but is it worth it to go through all the hassle to get a new device? I would say no. Like I said I've tried both kernels, I'm currently using tasks underwear kernel, I may try KT's again, may not. When I did before, I didn't notice a drastic difference between the two, esp not enough to warrant going through a device replacement.
Consider this. You are running tasks rom with absolutely no issues with the kernel he provides. Is that not good enough? I know it is for me. His rom is absolutely the most stable rom I've ever tried on any device. Remember it's just a phone. Just some food for thought.
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Probably right, but i don't always run task's ROM, either. My favorite ROM so far has actually been ParanoidKANGDroid, but I wanted 4.2.1, so I went to task. I'm actually running PACman right now, and for the time being, even his PC is broken
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No matter which rom you are running, it's crazy to exchange a device (and having to lie to do it) just to run a different kernel... think about it...
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No matter which rom you are running, it's crazy to exchange a device (and having to lie to do it) just to run a different kernel... think about it...
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Of course, but if it allows me more flexibilities and control over my phone and what it does, I'm all over that
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Bricking your phone would be the easiest way to get a new one and I've seen plenty of people accidentally bricking their i747 and getting a new one from Samsung. They won't even check if its rooted or not.
Check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34556189
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Bricking your phone would be the easiest way to get a new one and I've seen plenty of people accidentally bricking their i747 and getting a new one from Samsung. They won't even check if its rooted or not.
Check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34556189
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That's a douche bag move.... pain and simple.
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That's a douche bag move.... pain and simple.
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When the s3$ first come out, a lot of people were bricking them. Trying to root or installing an international ROM. I'm pretty sure Samsung staff was aware of that but they still gave free replacement. Some people even got a replacement from att or others carriers for free.
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If I do end up getting a replacement, can I take a nandroid, and restore it to the new phone?
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Hey everybody; just wondering if it's normal to constantly be flashing different things - kernels, recoveries, ROMs, etc. I just got my phone three weeks ago and I just can't stop long enough to decide if I'm happy with something before I try flashing something else. I think I need serious help, I just can't seem to stop. I'm getting insane battery time now using the stock rom from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426 and using ktoonsez kernel. So far I have managed to survive just over twelve hours without flashing something...:laugh:
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Hey everybody; just wondering if it's normal to constantly be flashing different things - kernels, recoveries, ROMs, etc. I just got my phone three weeks ago and I just can't stop long enough to decide if I'm happy with something before I try flashing something else. I think I need serious help, I just can't seem to stop. I'm getting insane battery time now using the stock rom from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426 and using ktoonsez kernel. So far I have managed to survive just over twelve hours without flashing something...:laugh:
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Lol. Yeah its a common addiction on these forums. Don't worry. You will get tired of stuff not working or setting everything back up and eventually stick with something. It may take a year though lol.
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Hey everybody; just wondering if it's normal to constantly be flashing different things - kernels, recoveries, ROMs, etc. I just got my phone three weeks ago and I just can't stop long enough to decide if I'm happy with something before I try flashing something else. I think I need serious help, I just can't seem to stop. I'm getting insane battery time now using the stock rom from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426 and using ktoonsez kernel. So far I have managed to survive just over twelve hours without flashing something...:laugh:
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Haha you... have the flashing fever
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Lol. Yeah its a common addiction on these forums. Don't worry. You will get tired of stuff not working or setting everything back up and eventually stick with something. It may take a year though lol.
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Or if he gets lucky enough and meets a hrd brick.
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I Got the bug on my gs2. Tried to develop but than life got crazy. I can take up a lot of time
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OK so I rooted all my previous phones with no issues, just wondering running stock this phone is pretty fast don't know how much "faster" it can get. I know all the features rooting can bring like removing annoying bloatware, carrier iq, build props etcc. What else could you do with these roms? With stock I already could do a lot of the stuff I couldn't do with previous phones running stock. I know overclocking, undervolting anything else I missed that these roms provide apart from asthetic looks?
I guess I just wanted the opinion from people rooted to see if you get that "night & day" difference effect that you get when you root
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If it wasn't for removing bloat and carrierIQ i would be satisfied with stock. BUT AOSP/AOKP is my main reason and 4.2. The TouchJizz ROMs aren't my thing overall. But i think stock out of the box is great, i have plenty of friends with the S3 that wont let me tough their phone cause they are so happy with it stock.
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There are way too many junkwares phone provider put on the stock TW. Even pure TW contains Samsung's junkwares. Rooting will allow you to remove or freeze those junkwares which makes the phone performs even better with better batt life. You can also install a firewall such as DroidWall to block internet access from apps. Block ads with AdAway. Block apps from autorun themselves when certain event occurs such as power is plugged in. There are endless helpful things you can do with a rooted phone.
I'd suggest reading more about rooting, flashing, custom recovery and see what you're missing without root.
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Yes rooting is really worth it.
People that I work with have note 2 and s3 and my s3 is much faster and snappier then all of theirs.
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mt3g said:
If it wasn't for removing bloat and carrierIQ i would be satisfied with stock. BUT AOSP/AOKP is my main reason and 4.2. The TouchJizz ROMs aren't my thing overall. But i think stock out of the box is great, i have plenty of friends with the S3 that wont let me tough their phone cause they are so happy with it stock.
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Yeah this is one of the few phones that don't come messed up from the box, I would say battery life could definitely improve on jb so I know rooting will help that a bit. Thanks for input
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There are way too many junkwares phone provider put on the stock TW. Even pure TW contains Samsung's junkwares. Rooting will allow you to remove or freeze those junkwares which makes the phone performs even better with better batt life. You can also install a firewall such as DroidWall to block internet access from apps. Block ads with AdAway. Block apps from autorun themselves when certain event occurs such as power is plugged in. There are endless helpful things you can do with a rooted phone.
I'd suggest reading more about rooting, flashing, custom recovery and see what you're missing without root.
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Yeah all those things you stated I already knew, I like the adaway stuff several other apps that can do that too. Also voodoo sound is nice. Voltage control all that.. I'm pretty careful and all but I guess I just don't want to deal with all the hassle. Backing up nv, roms, apps whole nine yards.
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My question is i read around forums people stating that triangle away can't take away the tripping counter when you flash a s3 that came with JB already installed out the box any truth?
Just would like to know since I have a long warranty on it just in case.
Also backing up your emei would insure you will get it back if something goes wrong? Because I saw in that forum it was a mixed bag some people could get it others couldn't and had their 4G missing too
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Yes............
Rooting IS worth it, next QUESTION!
Lol
And they have a thread on how to not trip the counter.
And as far as stock jb tripping the counter... haven't heard that but I honestly dont think it will unless you flash a new rom
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Counter thing is dumb in my opinion. I'm sure there is a work around, Odin back to ICS and then Odin JB then go from there maybe, idk.
Yes, banking up your imei is a full proof plan and use twrp instead of cwm!
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Oh okay one more thing backing up. Where you guys backup your roms internal or sd card Which one is more ideal? Just wondering since I never had phone with this much storage. I assume in touch recovery it let's you decide when you're backing up right?
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Ideal should be in sd card.
NOTE* always make a backup before you flash anything, I cant stress that enough because it will save your life*
Also do not mess with it while its in your card because it will not boot up. My suggestion is leave it as is
To be honest though either or, it would not be a problem... me, I have it in my ad card
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Ideal should be in sd card.
NOTE* always make a backup before you flash anything, I cant stress that enough because it will save your life*
To be honest though either or, it would not be a problem... me, I have it in my ad card
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Especially a backup of your imei... Can't stress that enough.. I learned that hard way and I thought my phone was completely screwed so i got two new gs3's not knowing it was such an easy fix even if you didn't back it up
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The_F_Word said:
Ideal should be in sd card.
NOTE* always make a backup before you flash anything, I cant stress that enough because it will save your life*
Also do not mess with it while its in your card because it will not boot up. My suggestion is leave it as is
To be honest though either or, it would not be a problem... me, I have it in my ad card
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Thanks dude appreciated
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Rooting is definitely worth it. Probably the best things you can do with it is remove bloatware, install an Ad-Blocker, and control the CPU to increase battery life or performance. With the Triangle Away app, you can easily reset the Custom Binary counter for warranty exchanges as I have done a few times.
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Counter thing is dumb in my opinion. I'm sure there is a work around, Odin back to ICS and then Odin JB then go from there maybe, idk.
Yes, banking up your imei is a full proof plan and use twrp instead of cwm!
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The is an app called triangle away that resets the counter. If you don't know, don't offer useless advice.
Backing up your NV data is a "fool" not "full" proof plan indeed tho.
daxecutioner24 said:
Oh okay one more thing backing up. Where you guys backup your roms internal or sd card Which one is more ideal? Just wondering since I never had phone with this much storage. I assume in touch recovery it let's you decide when you're backing up right?
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When in recovery you can choose where to back up to. I would personally read thru the stickied threads and get some information that has been deemed infallible by the higher ups. Asking basic stuff on a thread sometimes leads idiots to respond like they know something. The info on the stickies is concrete and not opinion based or anything.
I made the ultimate mistake the other day. I flashed a kernel for another device onto my S3 and of course paid the price of bricking my phone.
To set the scenario, I had back surgery last Thursday and was released from the hospital on Friday with a supply of pain killers and orders to not do anything. Well, while sitting around doing nothing I got bored and decided to work on a couple of my friends tablets that needed rooting and roms installed. I got them done without any issue and then decided to mess with my phone. There were a couple of new kernels I wanted to test and so I decided to do this. I booted into recovery and selected the kernel and flashed. At that moment I realized that the kernel I just flashed was not for my phone and when I tried to turn on the phone and nothing happened, I knew immediately what I had done and after saying a few nasty words to myself I started searching for a way to fix it. While searching through the forums I kept reading about MobileTechVideos.com and their ability to jtag repair phones. Since I have never had to do this and my phone was not going to work anyway I decided to give them a call and see what they had to offer. I called them and asked about their services and they said that it should be no problem fixing my phone. I live in Dallas and the company is in Bryan, about 3 1/2 hr drive, I decided the easiest and fastest way to get my phone repaired was to take it to them and wait. On Tuesday morning I drove to Bryan and dropped off my phone. When I had called them they told me it might be a couple of hours to fix it, but once I told them it was a tmobile device they told me to wait because it might only take a few minutes. During this time they showed me around the office and I was really impressed. What impressed me the most is that no one working for this comany could have been over 25, even the owner. So after a brief tour of the office, about 10 minutes, my phone was fixed and was ready to go. I paid my $60, which I believe was well worth it, said thank you and was on my way with my fully functional phone.
They never asked me to post anything and I don't have any affiliation with this company. I just want to post about a company that provided the service they said they would at a price that is reasonable since without it I would have a $600 paperweight. So if anyone ever happens to make the foolish mistake that I made and you need your S3 repaired, I would 100% recommend this company. Here is the link to their website, http://mobiletechvideos.mybigcommerce.com, mods let me know if this is not allowed and I will remove it.
I know I am always questioning online companies likes these, but this particular company has earned a customer for as long as they are open and support whatever device I happen to be using. I just hope that since I made this mistake I will hopefully never make it again.
Moral of story: If on heavy doses of pain killers don't crack flash kernels. If might cost you in the end. :}
Never bricked a phone before but I've heard great things about that company. If I ever run to trouble I'll surely go to them immediately.
Thanks for the review.
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Thanks for the review - it's good to hear good comments about the company "just in case".
Hope you're feeling better.
Cool.... Drugs say No to them... Get well
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Cool.... Drugs say No to them... Get well
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Pain meds after back surgery are a definite yesssssss, just don't brick your phone. lol
Happy to read a ringing endorsement, though - also "just in case".
Hey dude. Im in Dallas too. Good to know. I read all about them. They are really good in jtag fix devices. They were the first ti have s-off on the htc one. They did it after an hour of getting the phone. I havent brick any phones yet but I have their number save just in case. I have seen where they sale the jtag device to do it yourself. It cost about $100 it is well worth it
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Good service but more expensive than some.. but local is good.
Sent while sleeping in chair.
I'm glad your device is back and operational. Thanks for letting us know about a trusted reputable service.
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Thanks. I am not one who likes reviewing companies, but this one time I felt it was justly deserved. I read to many threads about shipping your device to someone and for a cheaper cost they will fix it. That makes me uncomfortable. I would rather pay a little more for the peace of mind. Even then I was more comfortable driving as far as I did, after just having surgery, because of my skeptism. That is why I felt the review was warranted to help someone when they are not local.
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Josh @mobiletechvideos is certainly a trusted guy. He's been here since vibrant days.
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I didn't realize your phone would get bricked with a bad kernel. You can't just go into odin and restore the original system image?
Not criticizing here, I'm just trying to learn something. Glad you had a good experience, as I'm sure at some point in my life I'm going to brick a phone.
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I can confirm that flashing a wrong kernel will brick your phone. I did that and still not sure if it was wrong one but in did screwed my phone, luckily I exchanged it for another device since I had it for a week.
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I have done the same thing. I flashed an international ROM on my T-999. I had also read great reviews people had using Mobiletechvideos. He had mine back to me in less than 1 week. Awesome work. If someone from MTV is on here, thank you!!
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I didn't realize your phone would get bricked with a bad kernel. You can't just go into odin and restore the original system image?
Not criticizing here, I'm just trying to learn something. Glad you had a good experience, as I'm sure at some point in my life I'm going to brick a phone.
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It wasn't a bad kernel, it was a kernel for a different device. I was working on several devices that day and put a kernel for a nook tablet into my S3 folder by mistake. Teaches me to only work on one device at a time.
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Yes don't take painkillers give em to me lol
thanks for the write up good to know
Can't you just re flash the entire rom stock or not with Odin or cwm?
I dunno, first time I "bricked" my phone was from an incorrect kernel also. Just downloaded stock touch wiz rom go to download mode and flash with Odin.
I'm not aware that you can brick your phone unless you mess with the bootloader itself.
Bricking means exactly what it sounds like. It's just a piece of useless hardware that you can't recover, in this case, with an incorrect kernel flash, you can, either through another kernel that is compatible with your device or re flash the entire rom; with either Odin or cwm.
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Can't you just re flash the entire rom stock or not with Odin or cwm?
I dunno, first time I "bricked" my phone was from an incorrect kernel also. Just downloaded stock touch wiz rom go to download mode and flash with Odin.
I'm not aware that you can brick your phone unless you mess with the bootloader itself.
Bricking means exactly what it sounds like. It's just a piece of useless hardware that you can't recover, in this case, with an incorrect kernel flash, you can, either through another kernel that is compatible with your device or re flash the entire rom; with either Odin or cwm.
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When trying to connect to computer it would not recognize the device correctly. So no odin if you can't connect to computer. No flashing anything else if the phone doesn't turn on. That would be as hard bricked as you can get.
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When trying to connect to computer it would not recognize the device correctly. So no odin if you can't connect to computer. No flashing anything else if the phone doesn't turn on. That would be as hard bricked as you can get.
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Yeah but you can't hard brick it if you flash a wrong kernel unless the kernel replaces your bootloader.
Oh wait, ok I get it. You flashed a kernel that replaces the bootloader also, like with the international dual boot kernel
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Yeah but you can't hard brick it if you flash a wrong kernel unless the kernel replaces your bootloader.
Oh wait, ok I get it. You flashed a kernel that replaces the bootloader also, like with the international dual boot kernel
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Correct!
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Had my N72013 for 2 weeks now, and it boot loop'd four times on me twice in one day.
This can't be only happening to me.
I ordered from Google (big mistake), their rep said they can send me a new model but I would have to pay for it (dock the amount) first then once I receive it, send in my current model then wait to get my $$$ back.
Is this an issue with 4.3 or the device. I really don't want to return it if this problem could be patched away with an update...
Forgot to mention, I'm unlocked and rooted. 32gigs. No dead pixels, minor light bleed that doesn't bother me at all.
What would you do?
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If its boot looping that's not normal obviously you know that so I would exchange it. Keep swapping until you get a good one.
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Rican Bx Bomba said:
Had my N72013 for 2 weeks now, and it boot loop'd four times on me twice in one day.
This can't be only happening to me.
I ordered from Google (big mistake), their rep said they can send me a new model but I would have to pay for it (dock the amount) first then once I receive it, send in my current model then wait to get my $$$ back.
Is this an issue with 4.3 or the device. I really don't want to return it if this problem could be patched away with an update...
Forgot to mention, I'm unlocked and rooted. 32gigs. No dead pixels, minor light bleed that doesn't bother me at all.
What would you do?
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wha?? I would return immediately.
Yea I don't know why its boot looping either. Maybe your factory images are corrupt and thus you keep restoring a bad image. Perhaps you have a bad sector in your memory.
You could test it by flashing a non-stock rom, such as CM10.2 which also uses a CM kernel.
Use it for a few days and See if the problem goes away or stays.
Either way, reflash stock using the Google Nexus 7 images. If the problem stays, then take it back. If it fixes it, then keep it.
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Yea I don't know why its boot looping either. Maybe your factory images are corrupt and thus you keep restoring a bad image. Perhaps you have a bad sector in your memory.
You could test it by flashing a non-stock rom, such as CM10.2 which also uses a CM kernel.
Use it for a few days and See if the problem goes away or stays.
Either way, reflash stock using the Google Nexus 7 images. If the problem stays, then take it back. If it fixes it, then keep it.
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Will try that. Thanks!
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player911 said:
Yea I don't know why its boot looping either. Maybe your factory images are corrupt and thus you keep restoring a bad image. Perhaps you have a bad sector in your memory.
You could test it by flashing a non-stock rom, such as CM10.2 which also uses a CM kernel.
Use it for a few days and See if the problem goes away or stays.
Either way, reflash stock using the Google Nexus 7 images. If the problem stays, then take it back. If it fixes it, then keep it.
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Thought I'll give you an update.. Installed CM10.2 for a few days, as you said.. No issues what so ever. Decided to try my luck with CoolRom and it bootlooped the moment I rebooted.
Decided on doing a complete wipe of the device and flashing a factory rom ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2381582 ).
Don't want to give up hope yet.
Rican Bx Bomba said:
Had my N72013 for 2 weeks now, and it boot loop'd four times on me twice in one day.
This can't be only happening to me.
I ordered from Google (big mistake), their rep said they can send me a new model but I would have to pay for it (dock the amount) first then once I receive it, send in my current model then wait to get my $$$ back.
Is this an issue with 4.3 or the device. I really don't want to return it if this problem could be patched away with an update...
Forgot to mention, I'm unlocked and rooted. 32gigs. No dead pixels, minor light bleed that doesn't bother me at all.
What would you do?
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Not sure why you would need to root this device. Its straight android and runs great without root or custom ROM.
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smurphdogg said:
Not sure why you would need to root this device. Its straight android and runs great without root or custom ROM.
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Rooted it for some apps that required root access.
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Not sure why you would need to root this device. Its straight android and runs great without root or custom ROM.
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There are tons of apps that require root access and are mandatory for many people including me.
I wouldn't bother to unlock and root. The N7 is flawless and fast out of the box.
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Again, root access is required for most decent backup programs and cloud data syncing apps. The issue doesn't require a debate about whether you need root or not. Yes the N7 is wicked fast and if you only use it as a bathroom reader for Facebook and light use, then that's cool. I like OTG support for my thumb drives when I'm in the field working.
Glad CM is working for you. That at least shows it isn't a hardware problem. I'd reflash stock images and see where that leaves you. Worse case you use CM (oh my!) until we see a patch.
It sounds like it just has a corrupted stock image. Kernels typically cause the reboots but a bad app or system file can too.
If you flash stock back and you still have issues, try just flashing a modified stock kernel (stock rom/custom stock kernel). CM has its own kernel which might be why it was working better.
You also should do a complete wipe between stock and CM and AOSP and vice versa. It typically bootloops if you dirty flash one type of rom over another. Stock and AOSP are pretty much the same thing but some custom ROMs like CM have different structures that hose you.
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It sounds like it just has a corrupted stock image. Kernels typically cause the reboots but a bad app or system file can too.
If you flash stock back and you still have issues, try just flashing a modified stock kernel (stock rom/custom stock kernel). CM has its own kernel which might be why it was working better.
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I flashed a stock image unroot, relocked. The process went without a hitch. Then I unlocked and rooted, flashed clean ROM, tried to see if I would get it to bootloop and it hasn't! Must've been a corrupt image.
I just want to thank you again, your advice saved me a lot of time and hassle with Google.
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Rican Bx Bomba said:
I flashed a stock image unroot, relocked. The process went without a hitch. Then I unlocked and rooted, flashed clean ROM, tried to see if I would get it to bootloop and it hasn't! Must've been a corrupt image.
I just want to thank you again, your advice saved me a lot of time and hassle with Google.
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I do not understand the hassle with Google.
I told them yesterday to get a new device, as wireless charging does not work. I talked max 10 minutes on the phone and I received an email 2 minutes after saying that I'll get a new device.
Yes, they will charge you "temporarily" for this, but you do not have to pay anything.
Anyway, it's me, I found it easy with Google.
Mine bootlooped today. Stock. No root or anything. I was forced to do a factory reset from recovery. Very troubling that this seems to be happening to a few people. There's a couple of threads over on android central of people having the same problem.
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I will admit this device is great without root but I prefer custom ROMs and titanium backup
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Just sat here rebooting the n7 a few time and it happened. Held power and got it to re start the boot process and it loaded. As soon as I unlocked it I got an android process media force close
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Andro_pty said:
I do not understand the hassle with Google.
I told them yesterday to get a new device, as wireless charging does not work. I talked max 10 minutes on the phone and I received an email 2 minutes after saying that I'll get a new device.
Yes, they will charge you "temporarily" for this, but you do not have to pay anything.
Anyway, it's me, I found it easy with Google.
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I rather not do the whole process of sending, receiving, ect. Call me lazy or whatever. Either way, it seems like my problem is solved, I'm once again happy.
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Rican Bx Bomba said:
I flashed a stock image unroot, relocked. The process went without a hitch. Then I unlocked and rooted, flashed clean ROM, tried to see if I would get it to bootloop and it hasn't! Must've been a corrupt image.
I just want to thank you again, your advice saved me a lot of time and hassle with Google.
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Super glad its worked. It worked for me. It worked for another guy. And worked for you. I think there is a bad rom image flashed on all of these that are causing lots of problems. The only fix is to clean slate and reflash the stock image, or move to custom ROMs.
Probably need to get someone to write a little app that just automates flashing the stock image again just for simplicity.
I'll probably create a new thread covering this.
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The stock images and the install script .bat file is simple enough.
Especially if you're rooted already. Since you already have the drivers installed on your computer.
Toolkits need to die a slow painful death.
You need root access a pen drive using an OTG cable, install app like titanium backup etc. Rooting doesn't mean custom rom or kernel
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Yesterday I made the mistake of taking the OTA update to 4.3 while in the process of doing a clean install of the new MOAR rom. Unfortunately, I had failed to do the proper homework otherwise I would have known to avoid the update like the plague. Luckily, I didn't manage to brick my phone, by trying to revert back to an earlier bootloader, but I am stuck now with a tripped warranty bit, and a phone that drains battery at almost 1% per 5mins while being almost completely unable to maintain a cell or data signal.
Now, I know it's going to be a little time before devs have a chance to tear apart 4.3 to fix it's issues, but I'm hoping that I can get some guidance on how I might improve my phone's performance, or at least minimize the negative aspects of the new update in the meantime. Right now I am running MOAR 7 and I have already tried resetting and reinstalling the rom fresh.
Thanks for any help.
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treblesum81 said:
Yesterday I made the mistake of taking the OTA update to 4.3 while in the process of doing a clean install of the new MOAR rom. Unfortunately, I had failed to do the proper homework otherwise I would have known to avoid the update like the plague. Luckily, I didn't manage to brick my phone, by trying to revert back to an earlier bootloader, but I am stuck now with a tripped warranty bit, and a phone that drains battery at almost 1% per 5mins while being almost completely unable to maintain a cell or data signal.
Now, I know it's going to be a little time before devs have a chance to tear apart 4.3 to fix it's issues, but I'm hoping that I can get some guidance on how I might improve my phone's performance, or at least minimize the negative aspects of the new update in the meantime. Right now I am running MOAR 7 and I have already tried resetting and reinstalling the rom fresh.
Thanks for any help.
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If you're on MOAR, then your battery issues are not being caused because you tripped the warranty and flashed the OTA. You may flash any rom, mod, kernel, tweak, etc, you want through CWM, just don't try to downgrade to a different bootloader(ie 4.1.2), through Odin, or you'll brick. Try different roms, modems, combinations, just like before, until you get back to what you want. Good luck
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So I can reflash the MD4 modem? I was under the impression that I was stuck with MK3. Can I basically change anything I want as long as I don't try to Odin in an older update?
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treblesum81 said:
So I can reflash the MD4 modem? I was under the impression that I was stuck with MK3. Can I basically change anything I want as long as I don't try to Odin in an older update?
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Yes, you can flash the MD4 modem, but I tried flashing down to a 4.1.2 modem and lost data, so that may happen to you(probably will). And as long as you flash from cwm you are fine. But read any ROM OPs very carefully, because there are a few out there that flash a bootloader if I'm not mistaken. But overall, yes, you are ok flashing as long as you don't use Odin to try to downgrade to a different bootloader.
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Well, I guess its good to know that I have some options, but also disappointing that I can't just Odin in a complete package to start from, since in the past that has always been the best way to ensure stability in the end result. As for the warranty bit, I'm not too worried about it, since it can only really hurt me if I need to take it to sprint for some work. That being said, if there really is no way to reset it, or completely remove Knox for that matter, I probably won't be buying another samsung phone... I really don't like the idea that the manufacturer would booby trap their product like that.
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treblesum81 said:
Well, I guess its good to know that I have some options, but also disappointing that I can't just Odin in a complete package to start from, since in the past that has always been the best way to ensure stability in the end result. As for the warranty bit, I'm not too worried about it, since it can only really hurt me if I need to take it to sprint for some work. That being said, if there really is no way to reset it, or completely remove Knox for that matter, I probably won't be buying another samsung phone... I really don't like the idea that the manufacturer would booby trap their product like that.
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I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone cracks it. Genius devs like @Chainfire live for challenges like this
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I hope they crack it soon.. I've already had the urge to throw it against a wall more than once today. Its magically unrooted itself three times already and the problems seem to multiply every time I try a different OS in the hopes that one will work well.
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