I've read that roms with linaro are faster. Are roms that are built with the linaro toolchain actually faster? Does it have any noticeable effect, or is it just like a placebo thing?
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I'm on a linaro based coming from a non linaro base, and I think it feels faster and smoother... Could be placebo though. I'm actually going to take the next 30 minutes to read up on it. I'll be back.
Consensus is, no it not placebo, I've yet to come across any thing that is detrimental evidnece (I don't consider most of the benchmarks to be evidence) But I read about 6 pages and all gave info on how it compilies faster and helps the CPU act and process things faster. I'm noticing a little difference, but nothing to make you, mess (poo) your self.
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I'm interested to give the new illusion ROM a try since it will be based on linaro. What ROM are you on mt3g?
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lol
Ok
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The rom you are going to run, I test for Ramsay.
mt3g said:
The rom you are going to run, I test for Ramsay.
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Duh
My bad. Good to hear good things about it. Anxiously awaiting the release. Thanks
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Ya, they are waiting to make sure it is 100& the way they want it before a release. Some good stuff is in the works for sure though.
CodyRst said:
I've read that roms with linaro are faster. Are roms that are built with the linaro toolchain actually faster? Does it have any noticeable effect, or is it just like a placebo thing?
Thanks~
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Back when I was working on aospX with existz, we used the linaro toolchain (and then migrated to his custom toolchain based on linaro, because the most recent linaro toolchain at the time was a little buggy) and it made somewhat of a difference in things like scrolling and stuff like that... But that was for gcc-4.6. I have yet to try building with the recent linaro-4.7 for aokpX as I haven't really had the time, but existz says that performance with the latest android gcc-4.7 toolchain is about on-par with the linaro one so we've been sticking with the one from aosp.
Although, I think its up to the end-user to decide if the improvements are really there. The way I see it is.. if your device feels smoother to you with a linaro-compiled build/kernel, then what anyone else thinks about the toolchain shouldn't matter.
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Does any one know if there will be a CM9 release for the DHD? Will it have Linaro incorporated in it? Is there any other way we might be getting a taste of the performance enhancements in Linaro?
Was just wondering if anyone has heard anything related to the matter. What I had read about performance enhancement ranging form 50- 100 % by just software tweaks sounds amazing :S
LCD has added it to his roms. The CM team has stated on Facebook that they will not be adding it right away due to it breaking random things.
People are expecting a lot more improvements then they will really see.
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LCD? is that lord clockan? have you tried the rom? did you feel linaro made any visible improvements?
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Yes sorry auto correct made LC to LCD by mistake. While there is some improvement it is not the next best thing to hit Android. Also remember the board they were working with was a nexus board made for ICS as to what we have are hacked together builds.
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cool ... Im holding out untill the official ics release for dhd so as to avoid all the camera issues. Anyways there was one article talking about google integrating linaro into its original software so who knows. .. we might see an ics update from google and hopefully that could be enough to automatically take those changes across devices.
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Linaro is breaking a number of things at the moment. Besides, the CM source is frozen, won't be accepting anything into the release branch unless it is a bug fix or device support I believe.
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It will amazing. ...
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It will amazing. ...
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you're right: linaro changes has been abandoned and cm9 won't have that stuff.
this is truly amazing, I'm happy to see our devs recognize useless things (like your beloved linaro)
Its not that it was dropped because it was useless. In fact stuff from linaro have been merged and will be. Steve doesn't think its a good idea to currently switch to gcc4.7 which linaro uses. 4.7 is not as tested and mature as 4.6 so it does cause some issues/breaks things. So Steve chose to stick for 4.6 at least for now
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Why arent any of the custom roms being compiled with Linaro toolchain ? I noticed a huge performance difference between non-linaro and linaro ICS builds,,,,
ranasrule said:
Why arent any of the custom roms being compiled with Linaro toolchain ? I noticed a huge performance difference between non-linaro and linaro ICS builds,,,,
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try trinity kernel, its always been compiled with the linaro toolchain.
simms22 said:
try trinity kernel, its always been compiled with the linaro toolchain.
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Need kernel and ROM to be built with linaro for the full effect. IMO.
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simms22 said:
try trinity kernel, its always been compiled with the linaro toolchain.
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no Im talking about the roms themselves
ranasrule said:
no Im talking about the roms themselves
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Source hasn't been out that long. Not an overnight thing to optimize it.
The Linaro effect isn't quite as dramatic as placebo lets on.
adrynalyne said:
The Linaro effect isn't quite as dramatic as placebo lets on.
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truth right here.
adrynalyne said:
The Linaro effect isn't quite as dramatic as placebo lets on.
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Not sure why you havent built it with that chain. If you mean the other devs then maybe they dont want to. Give it a go yourself before asking others to do it for you.
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Not sure why you havent built it with that chain. If you mean the other devs then maybe they dont want to. Give it a go yourself before asking others to do it for you.
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bad day at the office ?
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bad day at the office ?
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Nope not really. Just tired of people asking others to do something for them before they even try to do it themselves. Remember this is a Development forum ment to teach people to do things themselves instead of asking others to do it for them.
No kidding, people always asking for help with everything like this is free tech support!
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Can someone point out how much improvement/smoothness linaro compiled roms provide over stock/regular compiled roms? Also are there any downside to using linaro compiled roms ? Also which is the best/try out worthy linaro compiled rom?
TIA
P.S. Comments from devs or someone into development would be really helpful.
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Couldn't you just have searched for toolchain benchmarks, reading the comments on the dev section of the ROMs built with Linaro...
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Not sure if there is even a difference, many have said it is just a placebo hence why all devs don't use it. When I have ran it, it seems that the phone runs smoother but who knows for sure.
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Couldn't you just have searched for toolchain benchmarks, reading the comments on the dev section of the ROMs built with Linaro...
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I wanted to know from user point of view. Someone who has experienced it.
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eqjunkie829 said:
Not sure if there is even a difference, many have said it is just a placebo hence why all devs don't use it. When I have ran it, it seems that the phone runs smoother but who knows for sure.
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Thanks for the input
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I'm on the HTC Rezound, all of our AOSP roms use Linaro. I've run betas of the same rom without Linaro, and it's definitely smoother with Linaro. You notice this with the notification drawer pull down and launcher screen transitions.
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brenuga said:
I'm on the HTC Rezound, all of our AOSP roms use Linaro. I've run betas of the same rom without Linaro, and it's definitely smoother with Linaro. You notice this with the notification drawer pull down and launcher screen transitions.
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Thanks brenuga. Will surely look forward to linaro compiled Roms. :thumbup:
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YW although I'm surprised there is no linaro-built rom for galaxy nexus. I'm pretty sure paranoid android is...
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brenuga said:
YW although I'm surprised there is no linaro-built rom for galaxy nexus. I'm pretty sure paranoid android is...
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There are many linaro built ROMs for the GN.
One guy ran all sorts of different tests on linaro and others. Results were all similar...
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Could someone explain it to me
linaro is just a different way of compiling roms etc.. and is supposed to be way faster than usual way its built just still same bugs if any at all my 2cents
Why do certain users freak when they see linaro built roms? (You know who I mean....LOL
Are there benefits for end users, or are the HUGE fans of linaro roms imagining themselves some performance gains? LOL
Been curious about this since I saw the word linaro in rom titles. And if it has no impact on the roms performance, then why put linaro in rom titles??
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LOL i know who ha!
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LOL i know who ha!
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Yes....he's quite excited about whatever rom he's on that particular week. Or day. Lol
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Yes....he's quite excited about whatever rom he's on that particular week. Or day. Lol
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Yeah man for sure. And he's quite fond of his face palm photos.
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JesusWazBlack said:
Could someone explain it to me
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Linaro is a toolchain used to compile roms, ur PC uses this to take all the necessary files and puts them all together into what u know as a ROM, default is usually a arm-eabi toolchain, linaro is said to make the ROM smoother and faster than the default toolchain thus being more preferred
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soupysoup said:
Linaro is a toolchain used to compile roms, ur PC uses this to take all the necessary files and puts them all together into what u know as a ROM, default is usually a arm-eabi toolchain, linaro is said to make the ROM smoother and faster than the default toolchain thus being more preferred
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2 months late soupy :/
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2 months late soupy :/
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it's never too late to help someone out, but from what I understand linaro is a faster and more efficient way of compiling a ROM. I see no difference from a that is compiled using the linaro method and the normal method. It just makes it alot easier on devs.
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2 months late soupy :/
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Haha shows how much I look at the dates on here huh lol
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OK, time for me to fess up and admit this.
I have no idea why Linaro is better/superior than "normal"ROMs. I understand it's like a group of people who worked to clean and optimize code but if it's so much more awesome why isn't every ROM based on it?
Explain this to me like I'm five.
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Linaro is a toolchain, a toolchain is used to build ROMs and linaro is just a stricter one so it optimises the ROM or kernel, some people say the ROM is faster some people say its doesn't make a difference, even if there is a difference it isn't by much in my opinion.
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I also think it has to do with the fact that it's for ARM SoC's only so while that makes up most of all mobile Android devices that doesn't mean all of them.