Hi, i wanna know whats the best way to wipe my nitro and whats the order
i usually do it like this:
1. wipe factory reset
2. wipe cache
3 wipe datvilk
and thats it
i saw many option like wipe battery statts and fix permission so when i have to do that?
thanks in advance!
radhames562 said:
Hi, i wanna know whats the best way to wipe my nitro and whats the order
i usually do it like this:
1. wipe factory reset
2. wipe cache
3 wipe datvilk
and thats it
i saw many option like wipe battery statts and fix permission so when i have to do that?
thanks in advance!
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That is the right way to wipe your phone... Battery stats wiping is done when you want to re calibrate the battery (mostly done with battery life isnt that good as experienced by other users)
salimbaba said:
That is the right way to wipe your phone... Battery stats wiping is done when you want to re calibrate the battery (mostly done with battery life isnt that good as experienced by other users)
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From what I understand, calibrating the battery does little to no good; and wiping battery stats should just reset the battery consumption stats. Same thing as a full charge does I believe.
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From what I understand, calibrating the battery does little to no good; and wiping battery stats should just reset the battery consumption stats. Same thing as a full charge does I believe.
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i believe that is a myth created because people wipe battery stats but don't perform the rest of the steps for calibration.
You are supposed to wipe battery stats when the battery has a full charge.
then you let it completely die.
then you charge it back to 100%
when im doing mine to make the process fast, i just wait till a night where my phone is fully charged, then i go into CWM and wipe the battery stats. then i boot up the phone and open a long movie file (2-3) hours preferably. this will drain your battery fast. I run the movie file and restart it when it ends until the phone dies (dont turn it off at 1% let it die).
this is where the calibration comes in. when your phone is not calibrated right you will notice it sits at 1% for 15-20 minutes even while playing a movie. once the phone dies.
i plug it into the charger and let it charge with the phone OFF, overnight. this will allow it to trickle charge to maximum charge. when you wake up in the morning your phone is fully calibrated. you will notice that it will actually stay at 100% for a few minutes after boot. this means its calibrated properly. (if you have an old battery it might not sit at 100% long, but it should atleast read 100% when the phone is booted. a poorly calibrated battery will read somewhere between 95%-98% after booting up from a full charge.
at least this is my experience with it.
i have done this alot because i used to have to use 3 batteries and calibrate them all. I ended up throwing out one because it was never holding a proper charge and i use my 2nd best battery for backup now and i stick with the one that holds the best charge.
*edit* a side note the one that doesn't hold a charge is because i had the phone in the sun one day and it overheated. overheating is the worst thing for a li-on battery (or most batteries at that).
side note: if battery calibration was a myth then every phone manufacturer wouldn't have warnings about how to perform 1st charge. remember they always tell you, let the phone fully die, then fully charge it while off. They tell you that becuase it is part of properly setting the battery stats.
I am not an expert on all this but i have read a bunch of threads by experts, and the proof is in the pudding... my battery life has steadily increased since i started following that advice.
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i believe people say calibration doesn't work becuase they wipe their battery stats then they dont let it die properly. This is actually counter productive and tricking your phone into thinking your battery is dead before it is. then people actually get worse batterly life and conclude that wiping stats doesn't do anything. also if you didn't fully charge it would trick your phone into stopping a charge early (because overcharge causes battery damage).
improperly done you would end up with a battery that does not fully charge and tells you its dead before it actually is.
^ not an ideal situation.
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i believe that is a myth created because people wipe battery stats but don't perform the rest of the steps for calibration.
You are supposed to wipe battery stats when the battery has a full charge.
then you let it completely die.
then you charge it back to 100%
when im doing mine to make the process fast, i just wait till a night where my phone is fully charged, then i go into CWM and wipe the battery stats. then i boot up the phone and open a long movie file (2-3) hours preferably. this will drain your battery fast. I run the movie file and restart it when it ends until the phone dies (dont turn it off at 1% let it die).
this is where the calibration comes in. when your phone is not calibrated right you will notice it sits at 1% for 15-20 minutes even while playing a movie. once the phone dies.
i plug it into the charger and let it charge with the phone OFF, overnight. this will allow it to trickle charge to maximum charge. when you wake up in the morning your phone is fully calibrated. you will notice that it will actually stay at 100% for a few minutes after boot. this means its calibrated properly. (if you have an old battery it might not sit at 100% long, but it should atleast read 100% when the phone is booted. a poorly calibrated battery will read somewhere between 95%-98% after booting up from a full charge.
at least this is my experience with it.
i have done this alot because i used to have to use 3 batteries and calibrate them all. I ended up throwing out one because it was never holding a proper charge and i use my 2nd best battery for backup now and i stick with the one that holds the best charge.
*edit* a side note the one that doesn't hold a charge is because i had the phone in the sun one day and it overheated. overheating is the worst thing for a li-on battery (or most batteries at that).
side note: if battery calibration was a myth then every phone manufacturer wouldn't have warnings about how to perform 1st charge. remember they always tell you, let the phone fully die, then fully charge it while off. They tell you that becuase it is part of properly setting the battery stats.
I am not an expert on all this but i have read a bunch of threads by experts, and the proof is in the pudding... my battery life has steadily increased since i started following that advice.
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i believe people say calibration doesn't work becuase they wipe their battery stats then they dont let it die properly. This is actually counter productive and tricking your phone into thinking your battery is dead before it is. then people actually get worse batterly life and conclude that wiping stats doesn't do anything. also if you didn't fully charge it would trick your phone into stopping a charge early (because overcharge causes battery damage).
improperly done you would end up with a battery that does not fully charge and tells you its dead before it actually is.
^ not an ideal situation.
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I was just putting that out there. I personally have attempted calibrating my battery like you say to do; calibrate on full charge, drain all the way, then fully charge while powered off... I haven't noticed any benefits whatsoever. I've always been able to charge to 100% and I assume that with my chronic ROM flashing and bad charging habits that if it were required, I would have noticed some kind of negative issues by now. CM9/ICS is still better on battery than CM10 or any of its variants could ever dream to be. I got my Nitro in December of '11 and I've been abusing my battery with reckless abandon ever since...
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I was just putting that out there. I personally have attempted calibrating my battery like you say to do; calibrate on full charge, drain all the way, then fully charge while powered off... I haven't noticed any benefits whatsoever. I've always been able to charge to 100% and I assume that with my chronic ROM flashing and bad charging habits that if it were required, I would have noticed some kind of negative issues by now. CM9/ICS is still better on battery than CM10 or any of its variants could ever dream to be. I got my Nitro in December of '11 and I've been abusing my battery with reckless abandon ever since...
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...... these batteries are actually supposed to work better over time for a few years and i know cm10 is bad on battery whats your point...
KronicSkillz said:
...... these batteries are actually supposed to work better over time for a few years and i know cm10 is bad on battery whats your point...
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Lay off the Kronic, man and follow the story. But seriously; you were saying that the thought that battery calibration doesn't do anything is only because most people don't follow the proper procedure. I was just pointing out that I abuse my battery to no ends and have only ever calibrated it once or twice using that procedure and have yet to see any ill effects from my rampant disregard for the battery without semi-regular calibrations; and that I never noticed any effect whatsoever from the calibrations. Just carrying on a discussion; or are forums not meant for that?
I would add wipe /system to that list, since we re talking about FULL wipe.
Oh and yea ... wipe battery stats is the least of your concern, i keep reading it doesnt do anything ... also tried doing it manually by removing the battery (its a whole procedure in a post i read) and i didnt see any difference, well obviously it will never affect the way your ROM reacts or works, even for the battery %.
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I would add wipe /system to that list, since we re talking about FULL wipe.
Oh and yea ... wipe battery stats is the least of your concern, i keep reading it doesnt do anything ... also tried doing it manually by removing the battery (its a whole procedure in a post i read) and i didnt see any difference, well obviously it will never affect the way your ROM reacts or works, even for the battery %.
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How i sipe te system?
radhames562 said:
How i sipe te system?
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Depending on what recovery you use:
CWM: Mount and storage > format system (or wipe system, same thing)
TWRP: WIPE > System
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So in order, FULL WIPE: Factory reset (wipe data), wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache, wipe system
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Depending on what recovery you use:
CWM: Mount and storage > format system (or wipe system, same thing)
TWRP: WIPE > System
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So in order, FULL WIPE: Factory reset (wipe data), wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache, wipe system
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Thank you! I gonna start doing it like this nos on
Even google engineer said that wipe battery stats did nothing at all, however, I do have some luck with battery calibration on other devices, and the difference is noticeable.
P930 seems to be fairly accurate on battery indicator and I haven't done a calibration yet.
the real question is are google engineer's experts on ni-mh batteries or software developement, that is the question the guide i read about it was written by a battery expert, while its possible they were just blowing smoke i have a hard time believing it does nothing. What would be more believable is that most batteries don't need calibration if they were properly calibrated on first use. All i know is i had 3 batteries going in and out of my phone for a few months and when i started doing calibration i got 4+ hours of extra battery life. It may have just been because i was swapping batteries that the calibration was messed, my only point was that if a battery does need calibration that is the method i've found that works. if it doesn't need calibration then calibration will do nothing, that is most likely why everyone says it does nothing because MOST batteries don't need calibration as that google engineer probably knows these phones and batteries do a decent job of staying calibrated. but you also can't say calibration is a myth because the facts are every battery manufacturer has a huge warning on how to properly first charge a batter (same thing as calibrate) upon first use of the phone. I would imagine they have these warnings so that people don't need to worry about calibration later. I don't know im not a battery expert, but i do know logic when i see it.
This is the G+ post by the Google engineer
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13dgb0rksywh3muq222fzkqnwfgdbgrk04
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So.... following Mikey1022's thread crusade, I'm almost hesitant to post this here, but I feel like I'm going to get the most accurate answer from the people in this forum vs general...
On Cyanogens site, I found this for Battery Recalibration:
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
SO I'm at work, and don't have the option to check this, but unlike "hardware" battery calibration I'm mostly curious about removing the batterystats.bin
Would it help us with our battery woes, or do ours go deeper? For some reason, I noticed that mine's been draining a LOT faster in the past month or so then before...
Any thought?
This belongs in the general area?
I really don't think there's a magic forumula for these LIPO batteries. Unless you have a bad battery, you like numerous others need to join the battery 12 step program. I've already been through it. "Hello, my name is Sean and I'm obsessed with my battery life."
Long story short, just keep charge the battery when it gets low. If you work near an outlet or computer, and sleep near one - it's quite easy to keep the battery up throughout the day.
FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
I did this this morning as well since my phone was fully charged and ready to try it. Not had any hugely bad side effects from the phone and new battery (1750), but we will see if this changes anything.
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FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
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Well, actually, that's why I put it in the development forum. These instructions are telling us to remove things from the system. Also on that note, my battery went from being at 30% full by 10pm (fully charged in the morning) to 30% full by 3pm (YES, 3) so something is definitely wrong, not just "I am obsessed with my battery life". Mind you, I'm at work until 2, so my phone drains to 30% on IDLE, with screen off. I was thinking maybe Android is misinterpreting something? I removed all programs that I thought might be causing this, turned off wifi, bt, gps, still no go. Maybe bad battery?
What I'm thinking this may help with is the fully charged issue the incredible has. I wouldn't follow the above instructions exactly however. Let me explain.
If you've ever noticed, the OS doesn't report "fully charged" correctly. Charge your battery to full (where both the green light comes on AND the "about phone" battery status says "Full". Now shut your phone off, you'll notice your light turns orange again, and will charge for about 30 minutes, sometimes more depending on how far off the battery is. If you turn on your phone after this, you'll notice you stay at 100% for quite some time. This is the case with a lot of incredibles from what I've seen... It probably has to do with the calibration notated above.
I would say do the calibration noted above, however, charge it the way I just noted (charge to full, shut the phone off, let it finish charging to full...). Then follow the rest of the steps immediately following. Might make a difference.
EDIT: this is probably even more true for the 1750mAh battery.
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
junjlo said:
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
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I was witness to that thread, and yes, you are correct, Lithium Ion batteries do not need to be conditioned, it is useless... However, we are not talking of conditioning, we are talking of proper reporting of battery life through the OS, which IS how Lithium Ion memory works. This is not saying to Cycle your battery 3 times to "condition" it to full potential. It is stating that the OS is not properly calibrated to report the proper life of the battery. If the OS cuts the charging of a Lithium Ion battery because it "thinks" it is at 100% charge, while the battery itself is at 80% (just a random example), then your battery life is going to appear to be shorter than it should. The example posted above would theoretically reset the OS so that when it says the battery is at 100%, it indeed is at 100%, preventing it from cutting a charge before it should. See my post previous post if you are confused. "Conditioning" is an entirely different animal, in which you "train" the batteries memory (in Nickel cad batteries) before utilizing your battery in normal charging operations. Lithium Ion does not have this memory, making "Conditioning" useless.
Moral to the Story here is to fully charge your phone when its off and you don't have to deal with any of these work arounds. Am I right?
buy a second battery and an external charger. I do this with every phone and I always seam to get battery life that is on the high side of what people report
Thank you for correcting that was bit early in the morning thought it was same question.
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I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
jermaine151 said:
I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
alexdw369 said:
What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
jermaine151 said:
I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
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I am doing the same. Will follow up with results in a few days.
alexdw369 said:
What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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EM30996 said:
That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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Trying it myself tonight. Will post results tomorrow.
I'm trying it to. I will post results.
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Just tried this method, fully charging the phone when it's off then wiping the battery stats. Hoping it'll fix the annoying problem that the battery doesn't fully charge when the phone is on, although I'm not sure if it even can be fixed -- does anyone know?
I'll update if I remember next time I charge it.
Giving a try
Hey guys. I am also giving this a try today.
I just completely charged my battery last night with it off. This morning I unplugged the charger (while the phone was still off) and plugged back in to make sure that the battery was fully charged. The green light turned orange for a couple of minutes and back to green so I proceeded to boot to recovery and removed the battery file. I am also running a Seidio 1750mah.
I am now up and running. I will post later this afternoon to let you know how it's going.
If this fixes the weird battery bug where the Incredible doesn't charge fully, I will kiss the OP. Seriously.
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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I spoke to RMK as well as others about this in IRC, doesn't look like anything we can do, deep in the HTC code I guess.
I have the same issue using SkyRaider 3.1. Battery is 100% then after 5-10 minutes drops down to low 90s. It bothered me at first but after several days of moderate to heavy use and still having almost 50% battery left at the end of the day, I just figured it was some kind of bug when reading the battery level at the beginning. How is your battery life overall? If it's like mine, then i wouldn't worry too much about it as long as it's lasting longer. I'm using the 1750mAh battery from Sedio.
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
I found this on EVO forum, but I don't know how his solution works. I personally don't think this would be the solution.
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704272
I am using the 1500 mAh battery.
My battery life is uptime around 24 hours and awake time around 6-9 hours depending on usage.
so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
KB Smoka said:
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
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KB Smoka, so you don't have this problem anymore?
Do you think format the phone and wipe all the data will help?
Have anyone tried formating the phone?
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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I did bump charge this phone, but it still drops like crazy.
I'll try this out tonight.
Thanks!
Is this a once time fix thing or do you have to do it every time you charge?
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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That is bump charging. Something htc is unable or unwilling to fix.
The issue has been known for a while and you have to 'bump charge' every time to avoid the 5-10% drop.
Here's their response about fixing the "bump charge".
"Dear **********,
I understand you would like to know if an update has be released to help get a full charge on your battery without having to bump charge it. At this time we have no information about any updates being released to help resolve this issue on your device. If an update is released for your device you will receive a notification on your device that an update is available.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number ************.
Sincerely,
Victor
HTC"
melophat said:
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
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Do you bump charge every single time you charge right now? It's pain in the butt if I have to bump charge everyday.
Yup every day. 4 or 5 times is way overkill though. Just charge phone until green, turn off (don't need to unplug), wait until it turns green then do the plug/unplug one more time.
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so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
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Went to stock (official OTA), rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, reset stats and cache and I'm good now.
I charged it to "full" while it was powered on. Once the light turned green I turned the phone off, charged again until the light turned green. Took about 25 minutes. Powered up in recovery wiped battery and cache and now I'm good. The key is after doing all this you have to let the phone completely die.
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
vantagejuan said:
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
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I'll try this instead! I don't want to bump charge everyday! It's too troublesome.
chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
Solutions in search of a problem
Let me preface this by saying that I’m not an electrical engineer, or any sort of expert on phone hardware, but I think a couple issues are being confused. I’ve seen many posts about this battery “problem” here and elsewhere and an important point is being missed. People are confusing what the battery is actually doing with what the phone SAYS the battery is doing. They are NOT the same thing. The battery is a physical device and it will do what it’s going to do.
Battery life is a function of battery quality, initial state of charge, and demand. If you want the battery to last longer, look at ways of reducing demand. What applications are in use? How long is the screen on? What brightness level? Overclocking and undervolting settings? All these will affect ACTUAL battery life.
At lot of the “solutions” discussed have nothing to do with conserving energy use, but have everything to do with messing with how the phone REPORTS the state of charge. A good example is the issue of the initial drop reported by many users during the first few minutes after unplugging the charger. I see this on my own phone. If the phone is “taught” that 100% charge is when it is totally crammed with juice and plugged in as well, it’s not surprising that there is a good bit of voltage drop (+/- 10%?) right after unplugging. Does this mean there is a problem? NO! It’s just the battery doing what batteries do. A lot of the suggestions about wiping battery stats and such have nothing to do with saving energy. They are ways of fiddling with how the phone REPORTS its condition under various circumstances.
My advice: if you are happy with how your battery lasts, over the course of a day or so, then learn to relax, crack open a cold brew, and revel in just what a great phone the Incredible is. If your battery isn’t lasting as long as you need it to, then look at ways to save power or get a larger capacity battery. Tweaking the battery meter function is simply a feel-good exercise and won’t get you any actual improved performance. END OF RANT.
I can confirm that my gf's phone and my good buddies phone(both were never rooted) have never had a problem with the phone charging up slow first off(both phones charge about 1% per minute). And since they accepted the OTA, have not had the problem of charging to 100% and quickly jumping down to 90%. For instance, the other day my buddy charged his phone while on to 100%, played a game for about 2 minutes and closed it, battery was at 99%. Now I have tried and continually try every possible solution to my battery dying quick and charging slow, but am realizing that this must just be the cost of customizing my phone to my liking. And at least for the moment, a stock 2.2 DINC is just not an option for me.
larsrya8 said:
The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
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Sorry that I posted in the wrong forum. I thought this is related to the kernel or ROM I am using (Which is development right????).
Not to question your knowledge about the "battery technology", but why is it only happening to certain people? Nowadays most device are using Li-ion battery, why this phenomenon do not occur to all devices?
Could someone explain to me the HOW, WHY, and WHEN you would use this in bootloader?
My battery is sucking hard ever since the latest update of MIUI and i'm hoping this might help if it's used how i think it might be used.
If your battery is losing charge quicker than normal, check if it's the kernel you're using with MIUI and try an alternative. Otherwise, wiping battery stats is like a recalibration to more accurately reflect battery charge. Charge battery to capacity, boot into recovery, wipe batt stats, then reboot, take off charger and run down battery until empty. That should reset your stats.
mizzos4 said:
If your battery is losing charge quicker than normal, check if it's the kernel you're using with MIUI and try an alternative. Otherwise, wiping battery stats is like a recalibration to more accurately reflect battery charge. Charge battery to capacity, boot into recovery, wipe batt stats, then reboot, take off charger and run down battery until empty. That should reset your stats.
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Should i run it down as quick as possible (ie. Full brightness, playing movie, LED flashlight on, ect...) or run it down with normal use?
Neipas09 said:
Should i run it down as quick as possible (ie. Full brightness, playing movie, LED flashlight on, ect...) or run it down with normal use?
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Doubt it matters.
Another thing you can do for your battery is a full charge and run down till it dies 3 times. These are "smart" batteries and will reset that and might help you get more from it.
Also remember when flashing a new rom/kernel combo give your phone some time to adjust before judging battery life (maybe 2-3 days).
CCallahan said:
Doubt it matters.
Another thing you can do for your battery is a full charge and run down till it dies 3 times. These are "smart" batteries and will reset that and might help you get more from it.
Also remember when flashing a new rom/kernel combo give your phone some time to adjust before judging battery life (maybe 2-3 days).
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lithium ion batteries have no memory....
iitreatedii said:
lithium ion batteries have no memory....
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The batteries in these phones have a memory in the form of a charge monitor circuit. Those circuits remember the charge state of the battery and report it to the phone. This is why it is called a "smart" battery because of the chip that holds this data.
Li-Ion batteries do not suffer from traditional "battery memory" by way of crystal growth and the like (such as with NiCd batteries), but the circuit WILL remember the charge state over time due to the fact that it compensates for the voltage output droop which naturally occurs over time.
The procedure I posted previously was recommended to me by the battery manufacturer to extend battery charge over time.
I charged my battery for three house after i the light was green at 100% took it off the charger at 12am went to sleep woke up 311am it on 76% what went wrong? I just got the battery yesterday
wipe cache, dalvik, and battery stats then reboot, let your phone charge all the way and dont charge it again till you hit like 20% left on the battery, then charge it full again. this will make your phone start learning the way the new battery drains, usually if you change batteries you need to wipe battery stats.
also get the bmw ...battery monitor widget it shows voltage and how much draw at what time...and set batt capacity to 2600
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wipe cache, dalvik, and battery stats then reboot, let your phone charge all the way and dont charge it again till you hit like 20% left on the battery, then charge it full again. This will make your phone start learning the way the new battery drains, usually if you change batteries you need to wipe battery stats.
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how do i do that?
pjay203 said:
how do i do that?
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in recovery
bacidath said:
also get the bmw ...battery monitor widget it shows voltage and how much draw at what time...and set batt capacity to 2600
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yeah i just did that like 15 mins i was thinking that was the problem
WHERE CAN I find recovery at because I don't see it?
recovery
sorry bro i assumed you knew a bit more, first of all to enter recovery you must be rooted.
know if you are in fact rooted to enter recovery you need to turn of your phone and press volume down while pressing power until your phone shows a white screen give it a second to load, now on that screen you should see recovery, the option to wipe battery stats should be there
im not rooted is there any other way i can do it or how long does it take for me to get rooted
man getting rooted isn't that hard, but its not for everyone, so what i would recommend is you use your phone normally and try to run the battery down to like20% left before you charge it for at least 3 charges. so your battery gets used to the charging cycle, also dont let your battery go below 10% ION batteries dont like it. also make sure you don't have any apps running in the background eating up your battery, juice defender works great on battery life, but if you think you are savvy enough to root click on my user name and send me a pm and ill help you
I have an epic that was working fine. I got a new phone so it sat with the battery dead for a little over a month. Now I gave the epic to my daughter and the battery is all wonky. It will charge up to 100%, but when I take it off the charger it will last anywhere from 20 minutes to 4 hours, which I got the other day with no use and airplane mode on. Now here's the wonky part. It only goes down to around 88% and than goes dead. If I plug it back in it says it has about 80% charge. But if I don't plug it in and just try to turn it back on it acts like it doesn't have enough juice. Now on this phone I'm on cwm 6.8.x or something like that and you can't wipe battery stats so I didn't try that. So I guess my next step would be to flash another recovery and wipe battery stats. I did just flash the peoples ROM 2.2 (I think was the number) just yesterday and wiped everything else for a clean install. Has anyone heard of or experienced this? How can I fix this? Will wiping battery stats work? Also, the battery was great, I could easily get all day out of it with average use just a month ago. Please and thank you.
Nothing?
This community is very small now since this device is old. You need to have patience regarding replies to threads.
Sounds like you need to replace the battery. Look on Amazon and eBay.
I haven't heard of this happening before, nor has it happened to me. Even though some would advise against it, i'd 'calibrate' the battery just to see if that would fix it. If that doesn't fix it, I have no idea.
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From what I recall there was a lot of different opinions about the battery wipe in CWM.
If you google it there should be a video that shows you how to use it. I think you drain the battery until phone shuts off then charge it full, unplug it wait 10 minutes, charge it full, then turn it on and wipe battery stats. Then run phone dead again and charge again. Don't really want to charge it until after running it dead.
I used it a couple of times and it seemed to help but people say it has no affect because the battery stats are in the rom or something like that.
I also have heard that after you load a new rom you have to give it some time and the battery will get better.
I have never experienced what you are so sorry I can't help.
I would guess most would say its the battery buy a new one cause it sounds like the battery is only charging 20%.
I still have my stock battery after almost 2 years. It will get me through the day if I just make phone calls and text, but I have to keep a charger handy if I'm going to use the phone for other things. Sometimes my battery will drop if I reboot. It will be at like 30% and when I reboot it will come on with 15% and tell me to charge it.
They say the 1800ma model will work in this phone and I would check into that if buying a new battery.
Well good luck!
The battery was working fine two months ago. That's why its weird to me. Wiping the stats didn't help. I guess a new battery is in order. Grrrrrrrr
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I have an epic that was working fine. I got a new phone so it sat with the battery dead for a little over a month. Now I gave the epic to my daughter and the battery is all wonky. It will charge up to 100%, but when I take it off the charger it will last anywhere from 20 minutes to 4 hours, which I got the other day with no use and airplane mode on. Now here's the wonky part. It only goes down to around 88% and than goes dead. If I plug it back in it says it has about 80% charge. But if I don't plug it in and just try to turn it back on it acts like it doesn't have enough juice. Now on this phone I'm on cwm 6.8.x or something like that and you can't wipe battery stats so I didn't try that. So I guess my next step would be to flash another recovery and wipe battery stats. I did just flash the peoples ROM 2.2 (I think was the number) just yesterday and wiped everything else for a clean install. Has anyone heard of or experienced this? How can I fix this? Will wiping battery stats work? Also, the battery was great, I could easily get all day out of it with average use just a month ago. Please and thank you.
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only1penny said:
The battery was working fine two months ago. That's why its weird to me. Wiping the stats didn't help. I guess a new battery is in order. Grrrrrrrr
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If it was the original battery it already has some miles on it and if it sat for a month or two dead in the phone then it's most likely toast. You will get best results with li-ion batteries during the first 300 to 500 charges, so after a year or two the battery will naturally loose it's ability to hold a charge, that's just the nature of the beast. A new battery will do wonders!
The percentage that is displayed is usually directly correlated with battery voltage. So 3.200 V would represent 100% and I think it is 2.6 is 0%. So what sounds like is happening is the battery has a bad cell and jumps from say 3V or whatever is 80% right to some voltage below 2.6. A new battery "should" fix this.
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The percentage that is displayed is usually directly correlated with battery voltage. So 3.200 V would represent 100% and I think it is 2.6 is 0%. So what sounds like is happening is the battery has a bad cell and jumps from say 3V or whatever is 80% right to some voltage below 2.6. A new battery "should" fix this.
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check that 4g isn't on or google talk isn't on. Google now is a big battery waster too. For unexplicable drains, check for a defective battery and if all else fails a clean wipe/install. I've had just about all of these issues on the 4 epic's we own.