Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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I spoke to RMK as well as others about this in IRC, doesn't look like anything we can do, deep in the HTC code I guess.
I have the same issue using SkyRaider 3.1. Battery is 100% then after 5-10 minutes drops down to low 90s. It bothered me at first but after several days of moderate to heavy use and still having almost 50% battery left at the end of the day, I just figured it was some kind of bug when reading the battery level at the beginning. How is your battery life overall? If it's like mine, then i wouldn't worry too much about it as long as it's lasting longer. I'm using the 1750mAh battery from Sedio.
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
I found this on EVO forum, but I don't know how his solution works. I personally don't think this would be the solution.
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704272
I am using the 1500 mAh battery.
My battery life is uptime around 24 hours and awake time around 6-9 hours depending on usage.
so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
KB Smoka said:
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
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KB Smoka, so you don't have this problem anymore?
Do you think format the phone and wipe all the data will help?
Have anyone tried formating the phone?
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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I did bump charge this phone, but it still drops like crazy.
I'll try this out tonight.
Thanks!
Is this a once time fix thing or do you have to do it every time you charge?
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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That is bump charging. Something htc is unable or unwilling to fix.
The issue has been known for a while and you have to 'bump charge' every time to avoid the 5-10% drop.
Here's their response about fixing the "bump charge".
"Dear **********,
I understand you would like to know if an update has be released to help get a full charge on your battery without having to bump charge it. At this time we have no information about any updates being released to help resolve this issue on your device. If an update is released for your device you will receive a notification on your device that an update is available.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number ************.
Sincerely,
Victor
HTC"
melophat said:
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
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Do you bump charge every single time you charge right now? It's pain in the butt if I have to bump charge everyday.
Yup every day. 4 or 5 times is way overkill though. Just charge phone until green, turn off (don't need to unplug), wait until it turns green then do the plug/unplug one more time.
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so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
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Went to stock (official OTA), rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, reset stats and cache and I'm good now.
I charged it to "full" while it was powered on. Once the light turned green I turned the phone off, charged again until the light turned green. Took about 25 minutes. Powered up in recovery wiped battery and cache and now I'm good. The key is after doing all this you have to let the phone completely die.
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
vantagejuan said:
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
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I'll try this instead! I don't want to bump charge everyday! It's too troublesome.
chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
Solutions in search of a problem
Let me preface this by saying that I’m not an electrical engineer, or any sort of expert on phone hardware, but I think a couple issues are being confused. I’ve seen many posts about this battery “problem” here and elsewhere and an important point is being missed. People are confusing what the battery is actually doing with what the phone SAYS the battery is doing. They are NOT the same thing. The battery is a physical device and it will do what it’s going to do.
Battery life is a function of battery quality, initial state of charge, and demand. If you want the battery to last longer, look at ways of reducing demand. What applications are in use? How long is the screen on? What brightness level? Overclocking and undervolting settings? All these will affect ACTUAL battery life.
At lot of the “solutions” discussed have nothing to do with conserving energy use, but have everything to do with messing with how the phone REPORTS the state of charge. A good example is the issue of the initial drop reported by many users during the first few minutes after unplugging the charger. I see this on my own phone. If the phone is “taught” that 100% charge is when it is totally crammed with juice and plugged in as well, it’s not surprising that there is a good bit of voltage drop (+/- 10%?) right after unplugging. Does this mean there is a problem? NO! It’s just the battery doing what batteries do. A lot of the suggestions about wiping battery stats and such have nothing to do with saving energy. They are ways of fiddling with how the phone REPORTS its condition under various circumstances.
My advice: if you are happy with how your battery lasts, over the course of a day or so, then learn to relax, crack open a cold brew, and revel in just what a great phone the Incredible is. If your battery isn’t lasting as long as you need it to, then look at ways to save power or get a larger capacity battery. Tweaking the battery meter function is simply a feel-good exercise and won’t get you any actual improved performance. END OF RANT.
I can confirm that my gf's phone and my good buddies phone(both were never rooted) have never had a problem with the phone charging up slow first off(both phones charge about 1% per minute). And since they accepted the OTA, have not had the problem of charging to 100% and quickly jumping down to 90%. For instance, the other day my buddy charged his phone while on to 100%, played a game for about 2 minutes and closed it, battery was at 99%. Now I have tried and continually try every possible solution to my battery dying quick and charging slow, but am realizing that this must just be the cost of customizing my phone to my liking. And at least for the moment, a stock 2.2 DINC is just not an option for me.
larsrya8 said:
The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
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Sorry that I posted in the wrong forum. I thought this is related to the kernel or ROM I am using (Which is development right????).
Not to question your knowledge about the "battery technology", but why is it only happening to certain people? Nowadays most device are using Li-ion battery, why this phenomenon do not occur to all devices?
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So.... following Mikey1022's thread crusade, I'm almost hesitant to post this here, but I feel like I'm going to get the most accurate answer from the people in this forum vs general...
On Cyanogens site, I found this for Battery Recalibration:
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
SO I'm at work, and don't have the option to check this, but unlike "hardware" battery calibration I'm mostly curious about removing the batterystats.bin
Would it help us with our battery woes, or do ours go deeper? For some reason, I noticed that mine's been draining a LOT faster in the past month or so then before...
Any thought?
This belongs in the general area?
I really don't think there's a magic forumula for these LIPO batteries. Unless you have a bad battery, you like numerous others need to join the battery 12 step program. I've already been through it. "Hello, my name is Sean and I'm obsessed with my battery life."
Long story short, just keep charge the battery when it gets low. If you work near an outlet or computer, and sleep near one - it's quite easy to keep the battery up throughout the day.
FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
I did this this morning as well since my phone was fully charged and ready to try it. Not had any hugely bad side effects from the phone and new battery (1750), but we will see if this changes anything.
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FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
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Well, actually, that's why I put it in the development forum. These instructions are telling us to remove things from the system. Also on that note, my battery went from being at 30% full by 10pm (fully charged in the morning) to 30% full by 3pm (YES, 3) so something is definitely wrong, not just "I am obsessed with my battery life". Mind you, I'm at work until 2, so my phone drains to 30% on IDLE, with screen off. I was thinking maybe Android is misinterpreting something? I removed all programs that I thought might be causing this, turned off wifi, bt, gps, still no go. Maybe bad battery?
What I'm thinking this may help with is the fully charged issue the incredible has. I wouldn't follow the above instructions exactly however. Let me explain.
If you've ever noticed, the OS doesn't report "fully charged" correctly. Charge your battery to full (where both the green light comes on AND the "about phone" battery status says "Full". Now shut your phone off, you'll notice your light turns orange again, and will charge for about 30 minutes, sometimes more depending on how far off the battery is. If you turn on your phone after this, you'll notice you stay at 100% for quite some time. This is the case with a lot of incredibles from what I've seen... It probably has to do with the calibration notated above.
I would say do the calibration noted above, however, charge it the way I just noted (charge to full, shut the phone off, let it finish charging to full...). Then follow the rest of the steps immediately following. Might make a difference.
EDIT: this is probably even more true for the 1750mAh battery.
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
junjlo said:
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
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I was witness to that thread, and yes, you are correct, Lithium Ion batteries do not need to be conditioned, it is useless... However, we are not talking of conditioning, we are talking of proper reporting of battery life through the OS, which IS how Lithium Ion memory works. This is not saying to Cycle your battery 3 times to "condition" it to full potential. It is stating that the OS is not properly calibrated to report the proper life of the battery. If the OS cuts the charging of a Lithium Ion battery because it "thinks" it is at 100% charge, while the battery itself is at 80% (just a random example), then your battery life is going to appear to be shorter than it should. The example posted above would theoretically reset the OS so that when it says the battery is at 100%, it indeed is at 100%, preventing it from cutting a charge before it should. See my post previous post if you are confused. "Conditioning" is an entirely different animal, in which you "train" the batteries memory (in Nickel cad batteries) before utilizing your battery in normal charging operations. Lithium Ion does not have this memory, making "Conditioning" useless.
Moral to the Story here is to fully charge your phone when its off and you don't have to deal with any of these work arounds. Am I right?
buy a second battery and an external charger. I do this with every phone and I always seam to get battery life that is on the high side of what people report
Thank you for correcting that was bit early in the morning thought it was same question.
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I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
jermaine151 said:
I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
alexdw369 said:
What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
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I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
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I am doing the same. Will follow up with results in a few days.
alexdw369 said:
What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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EM30996 said:
That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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Trying it myself tonight. Will post results tomorrow.
I'm trying it to. I will post results.
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Just tried this method, fully charging the phone when it's off then wiping the battery stats. Hoping it'll fix the annoying problem that the battery doesn't fully charge when the phone is on, although I'm not sure if it even can be fixed -- does anyone know?
I'll update if I remember next time I charge it.
Giving a try
Hey guys. I am also giving this a try today.
I just completely charged my battery last night with it off. This morning I unplugged the charger (while the phone was still off) and plugged back in to make sure that the battery was fully charged. The green light turned orange for a couple of minutes and back to green so I proceeded to boot to recovery and removed the battery file. I am also running a Seidio 1750mah.
I am now up and running. I will post later this afternoon to let you know how it's going.
If this fixes the weird battery bug where the Incredible doesn't charge fully, I will kiss the OP. Seriously.
As you all know, the Evo battery charging mechanism is very quirky. If you are using the stock battery, the mechanism is not THAT bad once you understand how it works. If, like me, you are using the 3500 battery, charging the battery in the Evo is pretty much futile. Reason being, for some reason the Evo still thinks it is charging the stock battery despite the fact that you have a battery that is 2.5 the capacity in it. What this means is, the fully charged green light comes on at about the 65% level and you ultimately have to play a guessing game as to when the battery is actually charged. This is also after calibrating and wiping stats and doing whatever dumb HTC/sprint charging "trick" out there.
I am pleading here for someone to create an app that measures the true capacity and charge level of the battery so that we can all, especially extended battery users, know when the battery is actually fully charged. I am positive that there are donations in the project as this app will benefit all Evo users.
Please help and thanks in advance.
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I've been looking at the 3500mAh batteries as well, would love to get one, but i flat refuse to pry open my Evo everytime I want a FULL charge (having to resort to wall charging)
I'm not an expert in electrical engineering at all but I'm going to make an educated guess that the charging circuitry is independant of anything that the OS itself can control. Even with the phone 100% off it still has to obey the "rules" of charging that HTC setup. (i.e. charging to 100% then running off battery till it hits 90%) So I don't see how there can be an easy workaround for extended battery users if they want a true 100% charge.
I'd love a bit more juice myself, but like I said the only time I want to have to open up the back is if im upgrading my mSD card. If and until someone can come up with a solution, hell yeah! Until then I will just play with juice defender and hone my battery saving ability via software
I know the Battery Time app you can put in how big your battery is. Just select other when choosing your phone.
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in for progress on this.
so tell me even though the phone thinks the battery is charged, does it stop charging it too?
If I remember correctly that may have to be done in the ROM/kernel, there is most likely a charging timer somewhere in there that stops it for safety reasons.
When changing the timer remember that the batteries are actually closer to 2800mAh than 3500, you don't want to overcharge it.
http://batteryboss.org/
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in for progress on this.
so tell me even though the phone thinks the battery is charged, does it stop charging it too?
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No it continues to charge which is even more nonsensical and adds to the frustrating guessing game. Seidio recommends that you keep the phone on the charger for 2-3 hours passed the time that the light turns green. Again, more guess work.
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If I remember correctly that may have to be done in the ROM/kernel, there is most likely a charging timer somewhere in there that stops it for safety reasons.
When changing the timer remember that the batteries are actually closer to 2800mAh than 3500, you don't want to overcharge it.
http://batteryboss.org/
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I think you are referring to wiping battery stats. I have tried this on several Roms and kernels to no avail. Also, if you aren't rooted, how would you go about wiping stats? An app would help a lot of people out.
Also after doing some more research and testing, any app that provides battery level that I have used including OS monitor, spare parts, etc. will basically spit out what the OS is telling it and not measure the true level. Unfortunatley, the OS is stuck on stupid and we are back to the original issue.
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I think you are referring to wiping battery stats. I have tried this on several Roms and kernels to no avail. Also, if you aren't rooted, how would you go about wiping stats? An app would help a lot of people out.
Also after doing some more research and testing, any app that provides battery level that I have used including OS monitor, spare parts, etc. will basically spit out what the OS is telling it and not measure the true level. Unfortunatley, the OS is stuck on stupid and we are back to the original issue.
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I don't believe it is possible for an app to do what you are wanting, the charging process is controlled by the operating system itself and is built into the kernel.
There are two main steps to charging a li-ion and the first one finishes when the battery is around 70% full. So either something is causing the phone not to start the second part of the process, it is just timing out thinking that battery should have been by that time, or, since the batteries have circuitry inside of them, it could be the battery itself that is doing it. Have you tried charging your phone through your USB port? It takes longer but the battery may not like how much power the wall charger pushes through it.
Edit: I think I misread your OP, does your phone stop charging when it says it's full or does it keep charging?
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I don't believe it is possible for an app to do what you are wanting, the charging process is controlled by the operating system itself and is built into the kernel.
There are two main steps to charging a li-ion and the first one finishes when the battery is around 70% full. So either something is causing the phone not to start the second part of the process, it is just timing out thinking that battery should have been by that time, or, since the batteries have circuitry inside of them, it could be the battery itself that is doing it. Have you tried charging your phone through your USB port? It takes longer but the battery may not like how much power the wall charger pushes through it.
Edit: I think I misread your OP, does your phone stop charging when it says it's full or does it keep charging?
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The phone continues to charge. Based on what you are saying and my own findings, it seems the phone is reporting that initial charge at 70% as 100% when using the 3500 battery.
I am in the midst of testing some things right now related to all of this and will report back.
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The phone continues to charge. Based on what you are saying and my own findings, it seems the phone is reporting that initial charge at 70% as 100% when using the 3500 battery.
I am in the midst of testing some things right now related to all of this and will report back.
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Thanks keep us up to date. I bought this battery too so very interested in any possible solution you find.
Basically the os says its 100% when in reality its not even close, more like 65% right?
Jsimon9633 said:
Thanks keep us up to date. I bought this battery too so very interested in any possible solution you find.
Basically the os says its 100% when in reality its not even close, more like 65% right?
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Yes. 10char.
how does the phone read the charge or does it?
maybe a glitch in regulating the flow?
any software determine could do this?
mine charges a good 8-10 hrs a night
never had a phone that needed more
anyone had to buy a standard battery replacement and get better battery?
software or hardware?
Jsimon9633 said:
Thanks keep us up to date. I bought this battery too so very interested in any possible solution you find.
Basically the os says its 100% when in reality its not even close, more like 65% right?
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Looks like I failed again. This issue really needs attention from someone well versed with how the Evo charges the battery and how to tweak the reporting deep in the android system. Wiping battery stats in recovery does not solve this issue. We need a SetBat!
I got curious so I looked at the evo's source and found that it stops charging when it thinks the battery is full and doesn't start again until it drops down to 80%. Although it should start charging again if you unplug it and then plug it back in. To fix it you will need someone to make drivers for your battery and incorporate it into a ROM.
Sorry I can't help more but compiling ROMs is still a little bit over my head right now.
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I got curious so I looked at the evo's source and found that it stops charging when it thinks the battery is full and doesn't start again until it drops down to 80%. Although it should start charging again if you unplug it and then plug it back in. To fix it you will need someone to make drivers for your battery and incorporate it into a ROM.
Sorry I can't help more but compiling ROMs is still a little bit over my head right now.
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Very interesting. The problem here is, the Evo stops charging when it thinks the stock battery is at 100 even though you have an extended battery in it.
I guess we would need a talented dev to compile a fix. Hoping that this thread can bring some attention to that. Looks like we have progress already!
Here are my findings from the monitoring I was doing earlier. It's a lazy Saturday for me so I actually had the time to watch the battery charge. For background info, I am using CM6RC2 and Snap 7.01 with the Seidio 3500 battery.
I let my battery deplete completely last night and woke up to charge it. Knowing full well that the Evo does not charge the battery correctly, I did some research into how I could properly monitor the charge on my own. What we are basically looking to do is to charge the battery to or close to 4.2v. You can monitor this yourself using any battery monitoring program. I was using spare parts.
What I saw was, the battery would charge to what the Evo thought was 100 or close to 100 for the stock 1500 battery, the green light came on and the reporting stats of charge/voltage stopped there. The phone was reporting a constant charge of 100 and the voltage froze at 3.9v despite the fact that the battery was actually charged to around 60-65%. These numbers froze there for a long period of time. The 100/green light never went away and the freeze in voltage reporting lasted about 1+ hours. The freeze at 3.9v was basically the OS reporting the 3.9v in error because it still was thinking that the stock battery was in the phone. The actual battery charge level was neither 100 nor 3.9 volts. Like I said, the voltage stayed at 3.9 for a while, lets say an hour+, and then it started charging up again to 4.2. I saw all of this happen in spare parts. The highest I saw the voltage get was 4207. It took around 5 hours to get to this point. Once it was close enough to 4.2, I rebooted into recovery and wiped my battery stats using Clockwork. On reboot, the battery was actually around 95%. Now I could have plugged the phone back in and repeated they process above but, as this point I basically gave up knowing that I couldn't really go through this type of process ever again because I never have time to sit there and watch a battery charge.
So back to point of this post, we need someone to find a way to have the Evo report true battery stats for extended batteries and not continually have the phone think that it is charging the stock battery. I don't know if it can be done in an app, in a rom, or in a kernel but, however we can get this done, it would be more than amazing.
I have never had a problem with my 3500 Seidio Battery in terms of charging.
I have never had less than 90% charge when I leave for work. But as it has been pointed out multiple times, this phone charges till 100% and then works off the battery until it hits 90%. In essence, this phone will never be charged to 100% unless you do it while turned off or quite possibly with the battery out of the phone.
Next time you think you don't have a full charge, take it off the charger, turn it off and then back on. Then stick it back on the charger, you will see that the charge is down to say.... 93% then it should start charging again. But too be honest, on a 3500mAh Battery, I really don't see the need. If you really need 100%, the best way to achieve this is with the phone turned off.
there are people in evo forums across the net that would donate en masse for this once word spreads. if it needs to be unique to each battery, the four most used are stock, 1750, 3000 chinese (what I have), and 3500 seidio. I would definitely donate for a true fix
Brutal-Force said:
I have never had a problem with my 3500 Seidio Battery in terms of charging.
I have never had less than 90% charge when I leave for work. But as it has been pointed out multiple times, this phone charges till 100% and then works off the battery until it hits 90%. In essence, this phone will never be charged to 100% unless you do it while turned off or quite possibly with the battery out of the phone.
Next time you think you don't have a full charge, take it off the charger, turn it off and then back on. Then stick it back on the charger, you will see that the charge is down to say.... 93% then it should start charging again. But too be honest, on a 3500mAh Battery, I really don't see the need. If you really need 100%, the best way to achieve this is with the phone turned off.
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I assume that you keep your phone charging all night?
If so, this isn't really for people who do that. This is more for people looking to charger their phone to at or near 100 on the go, at work, etc.
Also, 10% on the extended battery is probably a difference of at least an hour more battery. I'd say even more. That's a lot of time to me personally.
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there are people in evo forums across the net that would donate en masse for this once word spreads. if it needs to be unique to each battery, the four most used are stock, 1750, 3000 chinese (what I have), and 3500 seidio. I would definitely donate for a true fix
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Agreed. I'd rather donate money to a true fix than buy an external charger. I have funds to donate for this READY TO GO ASAP.
I think this is a firmware related issue.. I cannot count how many posts and different senarios (batteries, chargers, rom's) I have read, yet still this issue remains. The only things I have ran across that actually works is:
1. Charging the battery externally (wall charger, dock, or etc)
2. Charging phone while phone is turned off.
3. Bump charging (aka: battery conditioning, battery syncing, "plug/unplug method")
4. Clearing the battery stats
Hey what's up. I got this G2 with the latest cm7, which is build number 21 and the battery life is horrible. Like 8 hours with an hour of the display being on. I'm coming from the Epic which had pretty good battery life once calibrated.
So what's the proper way of calibrating the G2? I am using the stock kernel that comes with the Cm7 rom right now but I did try the pershoot kernel couple times and underclocked it but it still didn't help. I think all that kernel flashing messed up my battery life. So any ideas? Thanks!
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Hey what's up. I got this G2 with the latest cm7, which is build number 21 and the battery life is horrible. Like 8 hours with an hour of the display being on. I'm coming from the Epic which had pretty good battery life once calibrated.
So what's the proper way of calibrating the G2? I am using the stock kernel that comes with the Cm7 rom right now but I did try the pershoot kernel couple times and underclocked it but it still didn't help. I think all that kernel flashing messed up my battery life. So any ideas? Thanks!
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Charge your phone all the way to 100% (not just until the LED turns green, which is around 90%), unplug and boot into recovery, wipe battery stats, boot back into Android and use your phone until the battery drains and your phone shuts off. Keep trying to power up until it won't any more.
Now, plug your phone in (into the wall, not a computer) and charge until full *without* turning it on. Remember, the LED turns green around 90% so you'll need to leave it another few hours after the LED changes. Once you're full, unplug and boot into Android and again use it until the battery is fully drained and you can't power up anymore and you're good to go.
Remember, after wiping stats, during the draining process *do not* plug it in to the charger or your computer as thiss will mess up the calibration.
Its a pain, and takes a day or so, but its worth it. To speed up the draining process, do some process intensive things (video watching, game playing, etc.)
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Charge your phone all the way to 100% (not just until the LED turns green, which is around 90%), unplug and boot into recovery, wipe battery stats, boot back into Android and use your phone until the battery drains and your phone shuts off. Keep trying to power up until it won't any more.
Now, plug your phone in (into the wall, not a computer) and charge until full *without* turning it on. Remember, the LED turns green around 90% so you'll need to leave it another few hours after the LED changes. Once you're full, unplug and boot into Android and again use it until the battery is fully drained and you can't power up anymore and you're good to go.
Remember, after wiping stats, during the draining process *do not* plug it in to the charger or your computer as thiss will mess up the calibration.
Its a pain, and takes a day or so, but its worth it. To speed up the draining process, do some process intensive things (video watching, game playing, etc.)
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Thanks for the tip. Now I have been doing some reading and saw some people recommended charging the phone while it is on when it is fully discharged the first time. You recommend while its off? Does it make a huge difference?
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Thanks for the tip. Now I have been doing some reading and saw some people recommended charging the phone while it is on when it is fully discharged the first time. You recommend while its off? Does it make a huge difference?
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I don't think it would make that big of a difference; if you think about it though, you're dealing with the battery and battery only if the system is turned off.
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True we are dealing with the battery but when we wipe the battery stats I think it only wipes the battery information the phone had in its system. So if we wiped the stats when it is full then let it discharge till completely empty, im assuming, you would have to charge it while its on so the phone can now learn what the battery level is and when its full and its capacity. I'm just guessing I could be wrong though. I'm just going to try both and see what happens.
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Charge your phone all the way to 100% (not just until the LED turns green, which is around 90%), unplug and boot into recovery, wipe battery stats, boot back into Android and use your phone until the battery drains and your phone shuts off. Keep trying to power up until it won't any more.
Now, plug your phone in (into the wall, not a computer) and charge until full *without* turning it on. Remember, the LED turns green around 90% so you'll need to leave it another few hours after the LED changes. Once you're full, unplug and boot into Android and again use it until the battery is fully drained and you can't power up anymore and you're good to go.
Remember, after wiping stats, during the draining process *do not* plug it in to the charger or your computer as thiss will mess up the calibration.
Its a pain, and takes a day or so, but its worth it. To speed up the draining process, do some process intensive things (video watching, game playing, etc.)
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I have used this method to calibrate the battery and can say that it does have a pretty big impact on battery life. +/- 20% in my case. I also find that I need to re-calibrate roughly once every month or so.
To be clear, there is not such thing as "calibrating the battery", you are calibrating the battery meter (volt meter) on the phone. Maybe its just a semantic distinction, and that is what the OP and subsequent replies are talking about. But many people get this confused, due to the old process of "conditioning" NiCad batteries, which is not applicable to modern cell phone (Li ion) batteries.
In my understanging, you aren't going to increase battery life by doing any of the above, but only making the battery meter more correctly read how much power is left. For instance, if the meter is not properly calibrated, it may read lower than it should. So people think they are increasing their battery life.
I would discourage from discharging the battery to empty. Over discharge of Li ion batteries can possibly (not often, but in a small percentage of cases) prevent the battery from taking a charge. There is a safety circuit which is supposed to prevent over discharge, but it does not always work. Therefore, Li ion batteries should not be discharged lower then 20% whenever possible. Most of us do it from time to time on accident, but there is not reason to do it intentionally. Charge the battery to 100%, drain to 20%, and repeat a couple times. This will get your battery meter plenty accurate. Draining it to empty does not really gain you anything (the battery meter is not that accurate in the best of circumstances, anyway), and can harm the battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
Flashing a new ROM resets the battery meter. So until its properly calibrated, it will give you junk readings. This is one reason why people often jump the gun and think that a custom ROM is getting them poor battery life. Calibrate the meter, and use the ROM for a couple days, then you should get a real indication of what the battery life is like on that ROM.
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I would discourage from discharging the battery to empty. Over discharge of Li ion batteries can possibly (not often, but in a small percentage of cases) prevent the battery from taking a charge. There is a safety circuit which is supposed to prevent over discharge, but it does not always work. Therefore, Li ion batteries should not be discharged lower then 20% whenever possible. Most of us do it from time to time on accident, but there is not reason to do it intentionally. Charge the battery to 100%, drain to 20%, and repeat a couple times. This will get your battery meter plenty accurate. Draining it to empty does not really gain you anything (the battery meter is not that accurate in the best of circumstances, anyway), and can harm the battery.
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I was about to post this. Letting a LiIon discharge all the way is more harmful to the battery than recharging it mid drain cycle.
I'm having a bit of battery issues, I haven't flashed a ROM or calibrated my battery meter. So I charge my phone to full while still on, unplug it and drain it until it turns off (NOT until the battery is completely drained, which could potentially damage the battery), plug it up and let it charge while off, and I should be calibrated?
Do you need to have root to be able to reset battery stats?
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So, I bought another battery. Will this sort it?
Also, what's the usual procedure?
Should I charge the battery to full in the phone (turned off) then boot, set up, then charge again and reset battery stats?
The problem is that the battery control chip doesn't take into account that the battery ages.
Resetting battery stats or charging while turned off will only clear the stats you see in the settings menu. This guide will make your battery drain to 0% again: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1534892
I don't know what a new battery will do though.
I gathered that, but as the phone is going to a new user (my stepson) we got him a new battery anyway
I just wondered what the correct procedure is. I know you need to do a first charge with a new battery, as with a new phone, however, this phone obviously has a working ROM already on it.
So, the phone is charging now, switched off. Should I turn it on, use a little, then use the battery calibration app to delete the stats and then drain to 0%?
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I know you need to do a first charge with a new battery, as with a new phone
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Well, that assumption is probably inherited from the NiHM batteries in the past, because it's not needed with Li-Ion batteries. In fact charging to 80% is better than charging to 100% and keeping it plugged in.
You can read more about it here and here.
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So, the phone is charging now, switched off. Should I turn it on, use a little, then use the battery calibration app to delete the stats and then drain to 0%?
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Just charge it and use it for a full cycle. If it shuts down at 15%, you can try the battery calibration from the thread I mentioned above. If it doesn't, you're battery capacity is the same as the one the battery chip has calculated, which is good.
So, why does the first charge take so long?
This thing is still charging and it's been on the charger for 3 hours, whereas usually it'd be charged fully by now.
Been like that for every Li-Ion battery I've ever had (including my S3, took around 6 hours to charge, usually takes 3).
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Just to clarify, I don't intend on leaving it past the green light. As soon as it says it's full I'll be taking it off charge and not trying ot overcharge it. But I still have the orange charging light after 3-4 hours.
To be honest, I don't know. Maybe it's a safety to prevent overcharging. Coincidentally, I've got exactly the same issue now. I asked about it in the calibration thread. I suppose it's normal, but I'm not sure about that.
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So, why does the first charge take so long?
This thing is still charging and it's been on the charger for 3 hours, whereas usually it'd be charged fully by now.
Been like that for every Li-Ion battery I've ever had (including my S3, took around 6 hours to charge, usually takes 3).
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Just to clarify, I don't intend on leaving it past the green light. As soon as it says it's full I'll be taking it off charge and not trying ot overcharge it. But I still have the orange charging light after 3-4 hours.
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my battery took just over 6 hours to charge the other day from completly dead
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I have an epic that was working fine. I got a new phone so it sat with the battery dead for a little over a month. Now I gave the epic to my daughter and the battery is all wonky. It will charge up to 100%, but when I take it off the charger it will last anywhere from 20 minutes to 4 hours, which I got the other day with no use and airplane mode on. Now here's the wonky part. It only goes down to around 88% and than goes dead. If I plug it back in it says it has about 80% charge. But if I don't plug it in and just try to turn it back on it acts like it doesn't have enough juice. Now on this phone I'm on cwm 6.8.x or something like that and you can't wipe battery stats so I didn't try that. So I guess my next step would be to flash another recovery and wipe battery stats. I did just flash the peoples ROM 2.2 (I think was the number) just yesterday and wiped everything else for a clean install. Has anyone heard of or experienced this? How can I fix this? Will wiping battery stats work? Also, the battery was great, I could easily get all day out of it with average use just a month ago. Please and thank you.
Nothing?
This community is very small now since this device is old. You need to have patience regarding replies to threads.
Sounds like you need to replace the battery. Look on Amazon and eBay.
I haven't heard of this happening before, nor has it happened to me. Even though some would advise against it, i'd 'calibrate' the battery just to see if that would fix it. If that doesn't fix it, I have no idea.
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From what I recall there was a lot of different opinions about the battery wipe in CWM.
If you google it there should be a video that shows you how to use it. I think you drain the battery until phone shuts off then charge it full, unplug it wait 10 minutes, charge it full, then turn it on and wipe battery stats. Then run phone dead again and charge again. Don't really want to charge it until after running it dead.
I used it a couple of times and it seemed to help but people say it has no affect because the battery stats are in the rom or something like that.
I also have heard that after you load a new rom you have to give it some time and the battery will get better.
I have never experienced what you are so sorry I can't help.
I would guess most would say its the battery buy a new one cause it sounds like the battery is only charging 20%.
I still have my stock battery after almost 2 years. It will get me through the day if I just make phone calls and text, but I have to keep a charger handy if I'm going to use the phone for other things. Sometimes my battery will drop if I reboot. It will be at like 30% and when I reboot it will come on with 15% and tell me to charge it.
They say the 1800ma model will work in this phone and I would check into that if buying a new battery.
Well good luck!
The battery was working fine two months ago. That's why its weird to me. Wiping the stats didn't help. I guess a new battery is in order. Grrrrrrrr
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I have an epic that was working fine. I got a new phone so it sat with the battery dead for a little over a month. Now I gave the epic to my daughter and the battery is all wonky. It will charge up to 100%, but when I take it off the charger it will last anywhere from 20 minutes to 4 hours, which I got the other day with no use and airplane mode on. Now here's the wonky part. It only goes down to around 88% and than goes dead. If I plug it back in it says it has about 80% charge. But if I don't plug it in and just try to turn it back on it acts like it doesn't have enough juice. Now on this phone I'm on cwm 6.8.x or something like that and you can't wipe battery stats so I didn't try that. So I guess my next step would be to flash another recovery and wipe battery stats. I did just flash the peoples ROM 2.2 (I think was the number) just yesterday and wiped everything else for a clean install. Has anyone heard of or experienced this? How can I fix this? Will wiping battery stats work? Also, the battery was great, I could easily get all day out of it with average use just a month ago. Please and thank you.
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only1penny said:
The battery was working fine two months ago. That's why its weird to me. Wiping the stats didn't help. I guess a new battery is in order. Grrrrrrrr
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If it was the original battery it already has some miles on it and if it sat for a month or two dead in the phone then it's most likely toast. You will get best results with li-ion batteries during the first 300 to 500 charges, so after a year or two the battery will naturally loose it's ability to hold a charge, that's just the nature of the beast. A new battery will do wonders!
The percentage that is displayed is usually directly correlated with battery voltage. So 3.200 V would represent 100% and I think it is 2.6 is 0%. So what sounds like is happening is the battery has a bad cell and jumps from say 3V or whatever is 80% right to some voltage below 2.6. A new battery "should" fix this.
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The percentage that is displayed is usually directly correlated with battery voltage. So 3.200 V would represent 100% and I think it is 2.6 is 0%. So what sounds like is happening is the battery has a bad cell and jumps from say 3V or whatever is 80% right to some voltage below 2.6. A new battery "should" fix this.
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check that 4g isn't on or google talk isn't on. Google now is a big battery waster too. For unexplicable drains, check for a defective battery and if all else fails a clean wipe/install. I've had just about all of these issues on the 4 epic's we own.