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Android 4.1 Jelly Bean SDK AVAILABLE

Android 4.1 Jelly Bean ​
Android 4.1 will get interactive notifications, overhauled search results, faster touch-screen response, and a tool to tell people information they may want to know about what's going on nearby and what they might need to know.
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-4.1.html
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html

I like it. Nice adjusments. Better than other i..OS-es in my opinion. Looking forward for the port.

Deonix said:
I like it. Nice adjusments. Better than other i..OS-es in my opinion. Looking forward for the port.
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If we get one. Ics is enough of a pain in the backside to get working with the defy.
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jelly bean on defy?
There may be a future development of android jelly bean for defy ? Or he does not have enough hardware?

froyo was best for defy
GB was compatible
ICS not so compatible
JB don't know if any possibilities

popcorn1122 said:
froyo was best for defy
GB was compatible
ICS not so compatible
JB don't know if any possibilities
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i think a bit different
FROYO was the worst for defy
GB was very good
ICS is definitely the best ( some exceptions though )
JB - maybe it would be even better

Shubhamqweasd said:
i think a bit different
FROYO was the worst for defy
GB was very good
ICS is definitely the best ( some exceptions though )
JB - maybe it would be even better
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I totally agree that Froyo was the worst, it's so slow and ugly :silly: Gingerbread was a huge improvement and Ice Cream Sandwich is an even bigger improvement, but at the moment not all the power of it can be harnessed by our DEFY, so I'd say that Gingerbread is the best. But Motorola is to blame for that, cause with those proper custom kernels, ICS would be flying So, if no way for custom kernels to run arises, I'm guessing that troubles with missing libraries will be even bigger with Jelly Bean, so we might just not even see a CM based on JB for DEFY

Found the Jellybean wallpapers and the new bootanimation over at Android authority!
>>>>>Android Jelly Bean Goodies<<<<<

Has anyone tried the new Jelly Bean VoiceSearch/GoogleQuickSearchBox on our ICS builds yet? I've been searching all over, no-one has yet to post it. You guys had any luck?

I've just tried Jelly Bean on Galaxy Nexus, it's way more faster than ICS because it has this Project Butter (newer hwa) which makes UI constant on 60FPS, so no more UI lags!
Jelly Bean is based on ICS so there won't be so much trouble about porting it because we already have ICS

I think the main question would be whether Project Butter will run with our Froyo/GB Kernel we have to stick with?!

This is one of Epsylon3's posts on Google+. He's just awesome!

Thats great !!

He can takes his time, we will apreciate it very much anyway.

defy developers are really making effort.
I didn't see that on any other device forums

The efforts have been fruitful since the long study made by our developers . They made it easy . since once you get to know how things work . and how the ideas are and what kernel functions and codes u shd be actually knowing . It becomes lots easy for implementation

The Best of The Best of the BEST Dev World
As said : Our defy Devs is the most talented and supportive in all thread with even an locked BL , Don,t know how to give them the deserved appreciation

swapnil360 said:
This is one of Epsylon3's posts on Google+. He's just awesome!
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Awesome..
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I want to know how ep3 it's going to manage the fact that chrome it's the default web explorer in jelly bean when it's not yet functional in ice cream sandwich...
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swapnil360 said:
This is one of Epsylon3's posts on Google+. He's just awesome!
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it will awesome for all of us , if it happened some how , our developers are best of all others ,
we were just given eclair , we had froyo(modded roms) , GB roms ( best and great performance ) , and we had ICS all good , except some issues due to locked bootloaders, otherwise we at this time could had best ICS rom Available ....... developers are trying their best working day & night for us ,
I am sure that we all will have jelly bean ,( not fully functional though ), but our great developers will make it happen for us all .......
once this Bootloader thing gets solved some how , can't say how ,
we gonna have rocking roms with overall best performance than all the device present in this xda forum ...... and i can bet on this ......
atlast thanks to all the developers of DEFY & DEFY PLUS .......
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Ace 2 (I8160) Will skipping ICS for JB

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...786.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
wat da fak sammy?
that phone have similar hardware configuration like our phone, just 800Mhz dual core cpu and 768Mb ram, I guess its about 500Mb because 268Mb
deserved for system, and mali-400MP GPU. Just a slight improvisation from our i8150.
damn you sammy

wat da fak sammy?
that phone have similar hardware configuration like our phone, just 800Mhz dual core cpu and 768Mb ram, I guess its about 500Mb because 268Mb
deserved for system, and mali-400MP GPU. Just a slight improvisation from our i8150.
damn you sammy[/QUOTE]
what da hell samsung? uour phone spec isn't low enough for ICS, your bull**** touchwiz blows everything down. crappy marketing strategies

Even Samsung Galaxy S Duos http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_duos_s7562-4883.php comes with ICS
Speechless as it is much weaker than our SGW, in term of CPU & GPU, the only thing it wins is the amount of RAM
There are a lot of ICS phones with 512MB RAM from HTC & Sony, if Samsung is willing to give us support, we would get ICS without problem for sure since Samsung got a big team to work it out, really quite a bad support from Samsung for our phone, luckily we got Arco and some developers who work hard to bring ICS to us really thankful to them!

MyDeSTiNaTe said:
Even Samsung Galaxy S Duos http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_duos_s7562-4883.php comes with ICS
Speechless as it is much weaker than our SGW, in term of CPU & GPU, the only thing it wins is the amount of RAM
There are a lot of ICS phones with 512MB RAM from HTC & Sony, if Samsung is willing to give us support, we would get ICS without problem for sure since Samsung got a big team to work it out, really quite a bad support from Samsung for our phone, luckily we got Arco and some developers who work hard to bring ICS to us really thankful to them!
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yes this is right. support al the dev!!

I always look at the bright side of this.
If sammy release update ICS or JB, then we will loose the excitement of custom ROM.
What I mean is like the waiting time of new custom ROM version, the moment when devs release new update and we download it and flash it to our beloved SGW. It's so exciting!!!
Here, we have many custom ROMs and every new release is getting better and better. To be honest, I might prefer custom ROM. Because even if sammy release update, I'm sure it will full with sammy's bloatware.
One day, I met other SGW user. He is just a regular user and don't know anything about flashing. He looked at my phone and say: whoaa..!!! how did you do that?? Can you do it to my phone??
My point is: I DON'T CARE if sammy release update or not. As long as there are custom ROMs, that's more than enough for me

maybe we are not worried about this because there are custom rom. but I feel sorry for those who use stock rom and hope about rom upgrade.

hotheabilly said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...786.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
wat da fak sammy?
that phone have similar hardware configuration like our phone, just 800Mhz dual core cpu and 768Mb ram, I guess its about 500Mb because 268Mb
deserved for system, and mali-400MP GPU. Just a slight improvisation from our i8150.
damn you sammy
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Seconded!!!!
And the salt into the wound is that the Galaxy Ace 2 is £70 cheaper on O2 Uk pay as you go than my Galaxy W was 10 months ago
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maybe we are not worried about this because there are custom rom. .
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Yes but surely ROMs like Cyanogen 9 would be much further along and have taken less time to develop and debug if an official Sammy ICS ROM for Galaxy W had been available as a starting point for modding/improving.

opexblue said:
I always look at the bright side of this.
If sammy release update ICS or JB, then we will loose the excitement of custom ROM.
What I mean is like the waiting time of new custom ROM version, the moment when devs release new update and we download it and flash it to our beloved SGW. It's so exciting!!!
Here, we have many custom ROMs and every new release is getting better and better. To be honest, I might prefer custom ROM. Because even if sammy release update, I'm sure it will full with sammy's bloatware.
One day, I met other SGW user. He is just a regular user and don't know anything about flashing. He looked at my phone and say: whoaa..!!! how did you do that?? Can you do it to my phone??
My point is: I DON'T CARE if sammy release update or not. As long as there are custom ROMs, that's more than enough for me
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you're not completely right, for example if we had official ics we would not reverse engineer camera and some other hw, so creating 4.x customs would be easier, but we had just to rely on our devs and huawei u8860 software
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opexblue said:
I always look at the bright side of this.
If sammy release update ICS or JB, then we will loose the excitement of custom ROM.
What I mean is like the waiting time of new custom ROM version, the moment when devs release new update and we download it and flash it to our beloved SGW. It's so exciting!!!
Here, we have many custom ROMs and every new release is getting better and better. To be honest, I might prefer custom ROM. Because even if sammy release update, I'm sure it will full with sammy's bloatware.
One day, I met other SGW user. He is just a regular user and don't know anything about flashing. He looked at my phone and say: whoaa..!!! how did you do that?? Can you do it to my phone??
My point is: I DON'T CARE if sammy release update or not. As long as there are custom ROMs, that's more than enough for me
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Developers would be able to customized ICS if a stock ICS is already available than creating from scratch. ICS is different from GB. Thats why devs are having difficulties in fixing stuffs like camera for phones that do not have ICS. Devs would love to use working libs for ICS phone-related components. Then porting JB would be much faster too since little is different from ICS.
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hotheabilly said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...786.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
wat da fak sammy?
that phone have similar hardware configuration like our phone, just 800Mhz dual core cpu and 768Mb ram, I guess its about 500Mb because 268Mb
deserved for system, and mali-400MP GPU. Just a slight improvisation from our i8150.
damn you sammy
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trueeeeeeeeeeeee

dimaka1256 said:
you're not completely right, for example if we had official ics we would not reverse engineer camera and some other hw, so creating 4.x customs would be easier, but we had just to rely on our devs and huawei u8860 software
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bbmadzky said:
Developers would be able to customized ICS if a stock ICS is already available than creating from scratch. ICS is different from GB. Thats why devs are having difficulties in fixing stuffs like camera for phones that do not have ICS. Devs would love to use working libs for ICS phone-related components. Then porting JB would be much faster too since little is different from ICS.
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I realize that. But I also know that pissing off to sammy and curse them won't change anything.
What I mean is instead of pissing off to sammy, we should be grateful because we have devs that work very hard porting ICS for our phone.
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Jelly Bean comes to support phone with NFC device. I think that the cause of the making jelly Bean to Ace 2. Don't worry guys... We have development Forum, we have developers and we have Arco. Not to mention, but ace 2 has no their own thread. You check on search box, no ace 2 comes out. Lol. Probably that's why Sammy feel pity for them and make them a jelly Bean. LMFAO.
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azhiekurosaki said:
Jelly Bean comes to support phone with NFC device. I think that the cause of the making jelly Bean to Ace 2. Don't worry guys... We have development Forum, we have developers and we have Arco. Not to mention, but ace 2 has no their own thread. You check on search box, no ace 2 comes out. Lol. Probably that's why Sammy feel pity for them and make them a jelly Bean. LMFAO.
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+2 saki!!!
u hv d nutz..

azhiekurosaki said:
Jelly Bean comes to support phone with NFC device. I think that the cause of the making jelly Bean to Ace 2. Don't worry guys... We have development Forum, we have developers and we have Arco. Not to mention, but ace 2 has no their own thread. You check on search box, no ace 2 comes out. Lol. Probably that's why Sammy feel pity for them and make them a jelly Bean. LMFAO.
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Are u trying to bullying ace 2 ? LOL
Sent from My Galaxy Ace 2

hotheabilly said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...786.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
wat da fak sammy?
that phone have similar hardware configuration like our phone, just 800Mhz dual core cpu and 768Mb ram, I guess its about 500Mb because 268Mb
deserved for system, and mali-400MP GPU. Just a slight improvisation from our i8150.
damn you sammy
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I really wish this was true, and I wish Sammy would bring this update out NOW!
Not because I have one of these phones, but because that firmware could be the base for the developers working on our Wonder. That means it's gonna be easier to port, and we'll have a stable CM10 in no time! :highfive:

What ROM for my girlfriend? (stable, reliable, great battery life)

Hello everybody.
I've rooted and modded the Samsung Galaxy W of my girlfriend but now i'm facing a lot of strange battery issues: the battery drains really fast and she hates it.
I've tried CM9 RC6 and SlimBean but the problem is still here. I've got no time to waste on trying 20 ROMs so i'm asking you a suggestion.
She was really excited about the stock ROM. It was fair enough for her, apart from the bloatware that couldn't be uninstalled and some random reboots and freeze.
So, i'm searching for something like that:
Great battery life
Stable and reliable ROM
Possibly CM based or AOSP
In my opinion, a CyanogenMod 7 would be great, but i can't find it for the SGW.
Could you please help me?
Thank you!

sberla54 said:
Hello everybody.
I've rooted and modded the Samsung Galaxy W of my girlfriend but now i'm facing a lot of strange battery issues: the battery drains really fast and she hates it.
I've tried CM9 Beta 6 and SlimBean but the problem is still here. I've got no time to waste on trying 20 ROMs so i'm asking you a suggestion.
She was really excited about the stock ROM. It was fair enough for her, apart from the bloatware that couldn't be uninstalled and some random reboots and freeze.
So, i'm searching for something like that:
Great battery life
Stable and reliable ROM
Possibly CM based or AOSP
In my opinion, a CyanogenMod 7 would be great, but i can't find it for the SGW.
Could you please help me?
Thank you!
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I answered you in slimbean post

Ahmed.ragab said:
I answered you in slimbean post
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Slim-3.1.0 Ancora 12/06/12 Unoffical with standard kernel (or with Fofivo as the other user said). Noted!
I'll wait for more suggestions before wiping and flashing again. I wanna be sure this time..

sberla54 said:
Slim-3.1.0 Ancora 12/06/12 Unoffical with standard kernel (or with Fofivo as the other user said). Noted!
I'll wait for more suggestions before wiping and flashing again. I wanna be sure this time..
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Stock one is awesome and better battery life
And if you want more ram use forfivo but battery life will be less than with stock one

What about those ones?
77ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2166571
AOSP - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2102599
SlimICS - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2132748
They seems pretty basic too.
I've checked Paranoid Android and Pac-Man too but i think they've got too much stuff that i don't need and she won't use.

sberla54 said:
What about those ones?
77ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2166571
AOSP - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2102599
SlimICS - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2132748
They seems pretty basic too.
I've checked Paranoid Android and Pac-Man too but i think they've got too much stuff that i don't need and she won't use.
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from those 3 links i prefer aosp..and without mods..for launcher just use nova/apex..
and for my suggestion try cm9rc7..
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My honest advice:
Do not consider anything except Stock ROM with Value Pack or CM9.
Its not that those other coders are not talented. But - it's like with those small, heavily tuned / modified Honda Civics driving around: Their owner / creators and other enthusiasts love them for their custom mods, but you really could/would not give such a car to your girldfirend, mother, or whatever.
sooner or later you run into problems that will never be fixed, nothing for daily usage by a non-IT-person.
With beta 6, i guess you mean RC6?
Battery lasting, the missing fm radio and a sometimes not-100%-stable camera would be the only drawbacks i see for it.
Performance and overall fluidity is at least one class over the stock rom, really remarkable.
Maybe there will be better battery performancee with CM9 in the future, as it is not really clear atm, what causes the impacts.
But i think its unlikely that it will ever reach the Stock ROM under this aspect, as the new features are simply likely to consumer more cpu cycles then before.

stpdkid said:
from those 3 links i prefer aosp..and without mods..for launcher just use nova/apex..
and for my suggestion try cm9rc7..
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CM9 RC6 was actually my first choice, because a friend of mine is using it without any problem. Anyway, i've experienced the huge battery drain even with CM9 RC6.
I can give a try to CM9 RC7 but i'm wondering: wouldn't it be better to choose a ROM with the 2.x kernel?
XR-7 said:
My honest advice:
Do not consider anything except Stock ROM with Value Pack or CM9.
Its not that those other coders are not talented. But - it's like with those small, heavily tuned / modified Honda Civics driving around: Their owner / creators and other enthusiasts love them for their custom mods, but you really could/would not give such a car to your girldfirend, mother, or whatever.
sooner or later you run into problems that will never be fixed, nothing for daily usage by a non-IT-person.
With beta 6, i guess you mean RC6?
Battery lasting, the missing fm radio and a sometimes not-100%-stable camera would be the only drawbacks i see for it.
Performance and overall fluidity is at least one class over the stock rom, really remarkable.
Maybe there will be better battery performancee with CM9 in the future, as it is not really clear atm, what causes the impacts.
But i think its unlikely that it will ever reach the Stock ROM under this aspect, as the new features are simply likely to consumer more cpu cycles then before.
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Yes, i meant RC6, sorry.
Sadly, battery performance is crucial for my girlfriend. Anyway, i just want a "normal" battery drain; what i'm experiencing is a very massive battery drain, totally abnormal.
Would you suggest me a Stock ROM with Value Pack? Maybe it's the better choice...

for me battery drains so fast because of to many apps..just install apps only for daily use..
yeahh i can see some of us back to 2.6..
rc7 impress me..see the ss..with stock battery(old one)..
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stpdkid said:
for me battery drains so fast because of to many apps..just install apps only for daily use..
yeahh i can see some of us back to 2.6..
rc7 impress me..see the ss..with stock battery(old one)..
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I think the same but she's just like 20 apps, Pinterest, Instagram, GoogleReader, Dolphin, GMail, and stuff like this.
Regarding your screenshot, 17% left after 10 hours is not so great.
This is her phone now:
Can i install a 2.x kernel on CM9 RC7?

like i told you before..i use my old battery and stock 3.0kernel rc7..my battery usually last no longer than 5-6hrs..
you got 16hrs..that better than mine..
if you want 2.6 kernel i think it is better to install cm9 rc2..
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stpdkid said:
like i told you before..i use my old battery and stock 3.0kernel rc7..my battery usually last no longer than 5-6hrs..
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5 - 6 hours? How can you use the phone? You can't even go outside for a dinner that you have to charge your phone.
Do you mean that you actively use the phone for 6 hours or what?

sberla54 said:
5 - 6 hours? How can you use the phone? You can't even go outside for a dinner that you have to charge your phone.
Do you mean that you actively use the phone for 6 hours or what?
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before,,im so addicted to game and not too busy at work,,so i play..
until my phone temp get too high because of oc+gaming and i almost hardbricked my wonder, so i decided to stop..
i see now we have oneofakind rom thats great rom for gaming but not again beside that now i have so many work to do..:crying:
i remember once i got my bat last for 24 hours,
if im not mistaken its aosp by outerheaven..:fingers-crossed:

Understood, thanks
AOSP by outerheaven was one in the list of the ones i wanted to try...
Would you suggest me a Stock ROM with Value Pack? Maybe it's the better choice...

sberla54 said:
Understood, thanks
AOSP by outerheaven was one in the list of the ones i wanted to try...
Would you suggest me a Stock ROM with Value Pack? Maybe it's the better choice...
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woahh..its been long time i didnt use stock rom(gb).
i dunno bout stock rom, but i use xxlm8 before i change to zcll1..after i flash it using odin then i flash cm9..
for gb cusrom i prefer rio's black note and rebel rom..older than that i usually use cowithgun's and kezra's rom,,

stpdkid said:
woahh..its been long time i didnt use stock rom(gb).
i dunno bout stock rom, but i use xxlm8 before i change to zcll1..after i flash it using odin then i flash cm9..
for gb cusrom i prefer rio's black note and rebel rom..older than that i usually use cowithgun's and kezra's rom,,
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You mean these ones?
Black Notes: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483072
RebelROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673875
Bagux Project Rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1687854
They're pretty old and discontinued but they could be enough for my girlfriend. I'll check them better later.
Thanks!

sberla54 said:
You mean these ones?
Black Notes: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483072
RebelROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673875
Bagux Project Rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1687854
They're pretty old and discontinued but they could be enough for my girlfriend. I'll check them better later.
Thanks!
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beside the aosp & cm9..try queen anne's revenge or biohazard..
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These ones?
Queen Anne's Revenge: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2161091
BioHazard RoM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1927428
They're just customized CyanogenMod, and i've already have problems with CyanogenMod. If i would try CM another time, i would stick to CM9 Unofficial
Even if Queen Anne's Revenge is aimed to best battery life and it's made by an italian (as me ). It's interesting...
I think i'm gonna flash one of those modified stocks! Wish me luck!

At the end of all my tests, i've decided to keep using F.A.W. (Rls 3, from the same branch of Rls 2): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626827
It's simply a powered Samsung stock but it's rocking stable, really fast, enough good looking and with a huge battery life!
Perfect for my girlfriend!

Is The Stock Rom The Most Stable Rom?

I've been wondering. I've tested at least 30 xperia roms. From GB to ICS to Jellybean. And while the developers on this site have done a excellent, the majority of the custom roms, in my experience start to lag after a few weeks. Yes I know apps like Facebook will cause that but somehow I've only experienced none/little lag with the stock rom. So I can't help but wonder, in the long run are the Stock Roms provided by Sony the best? When it comes to the stability factor.

Yes ofcourse, thats how sony made it and they know best for our device.
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Kevinkdc said:
I've been wondering. I've tested at least 30 xperia roms. From GB to ICS to Jellybean. And while the developers on this site have done a excellent, the majority of the custom roms, in my experience start to lag after a few weeks. Yes I know apps like Facebook will cause that but somehow I've only experienced none/little lag with the stock rom. So I can't help but wonder, in the long run are the Stock Roms provided by Sony the best? When it comes to the stability factor.
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try this..JB ROM even not yet tested.. no LAG and all the latest options.. way better than a GB.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357756
and yes.. SONY made the software.. sony made the hardware.. they made it.. its their brain child.. they know best.. but Devs also have an almost identical twin Performance Roms.. lolz

saqibkhan said:
try this..JB ROM even not yet tested.. no LAG and all the latest options.. way better than a GB.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357756
and yes.. SONY made the software.. sony made the hardware.. they made it.. its their brain child.. they know best.. but Devs also have an almost identical twin Performance Roms.. lolz
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Sorry to say man but none of JB ROMs can be stable. Even yours. You can only achieve smooth UI and partly smooth gaming (not in heavy games of course) but performance will never be same as GB. And the big pain in the ass is random rebooting when big workload. You're right that JB have better options but that's all.
""For what you have big shiny car when you have only small rusted engine""

Jecmenn said:
Sorry to say man but none of JB ROMs can be stable. Even yours. You can only achieve smooth UI and partly smooth gaming (not in heavy games of course) but performance will never be same as GB. And the big pain in the ass is random rebooting when big workload. You're right that JB have better options but that's all.
""For what you have big shiny car when you have only small rusted engine""
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I agree. A Question can kernels mess up the stability of a stock rom? Cause I've flashed a stock rom on a Lupus kernel mainly for overclocking and I think the stock kernel works better...
Is there a stock kernel available but only with overclocking added on it?

Kevinkdc said:
I agree. A Question can kernels mess up the stability of a stock rom? Cause I've flashed a stock rom on a Lupus kernel mainly for overclocking and I think the stock kernel works better...
Is there a stock kernel available but only with overclocking added on it?
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I dunno but LUPUS has no problems with stability. In what aspect stock kernel is better?
You can try DoomKernel. It's probably closer to stock than LUPUS and has overclocking ability of course.

ION Explanation

Within two days since the release of CM10.1 with hybrid ION/PMEM allocation, I happen to see more and more people asking for the explanation of that ION thing we are all talking about.
In fact, all you need to do is a Google search because lately there's been quite a bit of discussions about Android "ION". What exactly is ION? Is it just some fancy name or is there more to it?
Let's talk about some history of Android first.
Since the very beginning, vendors of Android devices like HTC, Samsung or Motorola all use different System on a Chip (SoC) solutions from Qualcomm (MSM/Snapdragon), Nvidia (Tegra) and TI (OMAP). Each SoC has its own kernel drivers for managing memory buffers (chunks of scratchpad memory) used by Graphic Processing Unit (GPU), Audio processing, and Camera Stills and Video processing.
Every vendor had their own version of memory management, such as PMEM for Qualcomm, NVMAP for Nvidia and CMEM for TI - private memory not shared with anyone else. Each Android graphics, audio and camera libraries had to be customized to work with each of the SoC's own flavour of memory management, which makes it a nightmare for the Android Maintainers to maintain the fragmentation and compatibility issues abound. However, this was the case for all pre-Ice Cream Sandwich OS like Froyo, Gingerbread or even Honeycomb.
For Android 4.0 (aka Ice Cream Sandwich), Google was finally fed up with the private memory manager structure and decreed that all newer devices with Android 4.0 native should use the new, so called "ION" memory manager.
So what is exactly the Android ION?
In a simple words, Android ION removes ARM specific dependencies. The ION memory manager provides a common structure for how memory will be managed and used by GPU, Audio and Camera drivers.
Common functions are:
- Memory allocation / de-allocation
- Direct Memory Access Pools
user-space (Android libraries)
- memory passing to/from kernel space
With these common functions and structures defined, kernel drivers from each SoC manufacturer needed to rewrite their drivers to be compatible with Ice Cream Sandwich.
Once the drivers adopted to the new common structure, the graphics, audio and camera libraries can now be more generic and could care less about the nitty-gritty details of how different SoC vendors' drivers worked.
It was painful at first, but it was a necessary move for Google to impose to all the SoC vendors.
Now looking back, this new ION manager enabled manufactures and third party Android projects (like Cyanogen-mod) to quickly bring up newer Android releases for various devices and also reduce the "hidden" Android fragmentation.
Thanks Google for a powerful Search Tool and the author of this:
Original Article
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A very good explaination in terms of general basic stuff as my head would be spinning around if you explain it into 'high level wizard' stuff.Hehehe.Thank You.
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Clearly described. Thank you
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Very clearly explanation! Thanks

Thanks for the explanation sir, at last, i know what is ION :highfive:

Thanks for the explanation! Been looking for one LOLS! So does it mean ION is better than PMEM?
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What's the advantage of ION?
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Thanks for the explanation! Been looking for one LOLS! So does it mean ION is better than PMEM?
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I'm not a dev, but in my understanding the biggest hurdle for porting ROMS is device drivers. It is relatively easy to port a ROM from the AriesVe to the Ancora, because they are made by the same manufacturer, have the same system-on-a-chip manufacturer (Qualcomm) and have a similar stock kernel based.
But porting a ROM from, let's say a HTC One is highly impossible, because it uses a different system-on-a-chip exclusive to HTC phones and its stock kernel is based on it. And even though Android is based on Linux, each of the phone manufacturers have slightly different ways of organizing system files that set the various system options. So a kernel patch that works on one device probably won't work on another. (kernel level features such as GPU overclocking, two-way call recording etc. rely on these system setting files).
Even among phones made by the same company, you may have hardware differences such as different camera technologies, different screen resolutions, etc. that make porting harder.
That's why CyanogenMod, AOKP and MIUI are so valuable and appreciated, because they organize porting of a ROM that, as far as the kernel and GUI are concerned, vary little between devices. However those projects still have to rely on what manufacturers choose to release as open source to develop hardware device drivers to port the ROM to each device.
And then you have the problem of, what level of Android is officially supported by the manufacturer? Our Galaxy W, for example, is still waiting for an official ICS release it may never get, which means running JB/KK as it is meant to be run is that much harder. It's hard enough , where we doesnt have official ICS/JB/KK kernel source.
That's why I give lots of kudos to people who take custom ROMs like Aokp,CM(Mega Kudos to Arco) Paranoid Android and the like that were developed for other devices and port them to the Ancora.We're talking crazy wizard-level stuff like memory management, camera, hardware graphics optimization (Project Butter).
#copypaste ;p
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BIG thanks for this amazing explanation *thumbsup*

ahaiqali said:
What's the advantage of ION?
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The main advantage for us is the possibility to update Adreno drivers, get rid of some bugs and feel smooth with some sort of better performance.

TiTAN-O-One said:
Thanks for the explanation! Been looking for one LOLS! So does it mean ION is better than PMEM?
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Surely ION management is better. If it wasn't, it would have already been left out since ICS times by all the manufacturers.
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LeroViten said:
Surely ION management is better. If it wasn't, it would have already been left out since ICS times by all the manufacturers.
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agree with you.. last time i use CM10.1 that still PMEM, i gave up to stay with it because it is really poor performance when the phone stay up longer... now with ION i feel happy when using this CM10.1 with ION.. well since ICS until KITKAT all should use ION to fully optimize the memory management itself.. if someone could build ION for ICS.. haha.. that would be awesome...

hurtsky said:
agree with you.. last time i use CM10.1 that still PMEM, i gave up to stay with it because it is really poor performance when the phone stay up longer... now with ION i feel happy when using this CM10.1 with ION.. well since ICS until KITKAT all should use ION to fully optimize the memory management itself.. if someone could build ION for ICS.. haha.. that would be awesome...
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Mates, @hurtsky & @LeroViten
Just want to ask , so for now ONLY cm10.1 b2 custom ROM is compatible with ION kernel? Both ROM and kernel must support ION? Thnx

dec0der said:
Mates, @hurtsky & @LeroViten
Just want to ask , so for now ONLY cm10.1 b2 custom ROM is compatible with ION kernel? Both ROM and kernel must support ION? Thnx
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Yes

poji94 said:
Yes
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*sighs

sorry before i noob are "ION" give more life battery to custom rom?

ades47 said:
sorry before i noob are "ION" give more life battery to custom rom?
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Surely not. It has nothing to do about our battery life. We all have different usage statistics and the variety of apps installed. So we all have different battery stats too. For me one with a heavy usage is more than enough. And two days as a calling and messaging device - is brilliant.
But no... ION has no influence on battery life...

thanks for the topic... best explanation i've read
Maido Ari...

Thank You For The Explanation

LeroViten said:
Surely not. It has nothing to do about our battery life. We all have different usage statistics and the variety of apps installed. So we all have different battery stats too. For me one with a heavy usage is more than enough. And two days as a calling and messaging device - is brilliant.
But no... ION has no influence on battery life...
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i expecting ION can do better in battery life since bbm to android my galaxy w 100% battery drain in 3 hours and i install greenify