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Are you willing to lose the guarantee, by official HTC metod, in order to have S-off or root rights?
Doesn't HTC method just make you loose software warranty ?
I mean, I think hardware problems are still covered after that.
see that on htcdev website :
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
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I need confirmation on that though as I'm not sure
i think physical defects or damages due to unlocking the bootloader, then overclocking and frying the cpu or motherboard will not be covered..
however... if the screen malfunctions, it would be reasonable to uphold the warranty unless there are reasons to believe it is again due to end-users unlocking the bootloader. (ie, maybe the guy unlock the bootloader, overclocked the phone and the heat caused some circuit to melt due to excess heat and this caused the screen to stop working?)
many scenarios, just giving some examples of what i think would mean non-coverage by warranty..
Physical damage can be attributed to unlocked bootloader. Example, heating has destroyed your lcd pannel. Warrenty uncovered. In our case this is not the truth but, to get back your phone what can u do if not pay?!?
Maybe htc is too much honest or maybe not... anyway they have a strong weapon to not recognize it.
from http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/faq
Why is my security still on (S-On) after I have unlocked my bootloader?
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
so, device still be s-on? no way to change radio and hboot? O_O
I will do it with an unofficial tool.
Hopefully the revolutionary tool will be there soon!
I don't want to wait..
torxx said:
I will do it with an unofficial tool.
Hopefully the revolutionary tool will be there soon!
I don't want to wait..
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What's the benefit to doing it this way please?
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If you want to send your phone to HTC, you can bring it back to stock before.
But if you did it with htcdev, HTC can see that you unlocked your Bootloader, so it will be difficult to get your phone repaired.- HTC just won't do anything but they will never know if you used an unoffical tool.
torxx said:
If you want to send your phone to HTC, you can bring it back to stock before.
But if you did it with htcdev, HTC can see that you unlocked your Bootloader, so it will be difficult to get your phone repaired.- HTC just won't do anything but they will never know if you used an unoffical tool.
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Sound good to me, I always like the option to go back to stock for these purposes so I'll wait too
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You can go back to stock after using htcdev, too.
But your Bootloader will be signed of htc, so they know that you did it.
Yea you're right!Hope S-off will come then I don't need to unlock in HTC bootloader~
Has anyone asked the Revolutionary team if the exploit they used before works with the HTC One series and if they will support the device? I assume they will because they tend to follow flagship phones but you never know. Here's hoping we won't have to wait too long.
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I'm sure that they are working on it..
As far as I heard you still have warranty even though you unlocked your bootloader.
Yes of course but if for example your processor is damaged, you will surely not have any warranty on this.
Us vivid users went through heaven and hell to try and unlock the bootloader/achieve s off. Only after some strategic calls to HTC did we even get the official bootloader unlock, we never achieved it.unofficially either. We still don't even have s off so no radio flashing and a more round about way for flashing kernels and recoveries. I really hope the One X will have an unlock bootloader option. HTC wasn't even planning on giving the option until six months after the release. It didn't matter though, our development and most the community was already killed off by the time we got bootloader unlock. Hopefully HTC learned a lesson or the people working on unofficial s off/bootloader unlock have some tricks up their sleeve...
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I was just chatting with HTC and mentioned I had mine bootloader unlocked. He said it voided my warranty as that was stated on HTCDev, but I said HTCDev only says its void certain parts off the warranty.
But in e-mail I got from HTC they state, you do not get warranty when you are running an custom rom, so I guess we need put it back to stock and lock the bootloader.
Then there should be no problem with warranty.
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I was just chatting with HTC and mentioned I had mine bootloader unlocked. He said it voided my warranty as that was stated on HTCDev, but I said HTCDev only says its void certain parts off the warranty.
But in e-mail I got from HTC they state, you do not get warranty when you are running an custom rom, so I guess we need put it back to stock and lock the bootloader.
Then there should be no problem with warranty.
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Yes, there still is a problem. Never again will your hboot read "locked", it will only show up as "relocked", so you still aren't quite out of the water.
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Yes that's true, but I believe you can just use your warranty. The guys in chat who say you voided it don't know what they talking about.
If you really send it in for warranty then they should just fix it. But best we can do is relock it.
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Yes that's true, but I believe you can just use your warranty. The guys in chat who say you voided it don't know what they talking about.
If you really send it in for warranty then they should just fix it. But best we can do is relock it.
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Actually, a stock-looking rooted ROM will do the trick. I've heard enumerable amounts of people saying the people at HTC didn't even look to see if the device was rooted or bootloader unlocked. I really don't think they are that picky.
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Actually, a stock-looking rooted ROM will do the trick. I've heard enumerable amounts of people saying the people at HTC didn't even look to see if the device was rooted or bootloader unlocked. I really don't think they are that picky.
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I think so to. But atleast I would load the original non rooted stock rom on it. I only get the bootloader from Evo 3D to get show relocked and under it still says s-off, but I guess that's from revolutionary and I don't know how to get rid off that, but I will just leave it like this.
I have heard enough stories that peoples HTC got fixed with an unlocked bootloader and some even with an custom rom. And how big is the chance someone really ever going need use the warranty?
I think its quite small. But I'm not going unlock the HTC One X i think as it should be fast enough even without an custom rom.
I don't want HTC to know it and we should have an unlock method that is fully reversible, at HTC Desire HD we had that, with on click you had it back s-on.
Hello all, I'm new on HTC One x and I wanto to ask you about warranty.
What about it when I'll relock bootloader and install all stock like rom, boot.img etc, will HTC take this to the service?
As i know bootloader will show "relocked". Service said they won't repair phone for free if there is "unlocked".
Some people get away with it while other don't.
I believe that if it is all stock and isn't running, in HTC's terminology (illegal software) then you should be ok.
Only one way to fins out......
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Yes this is a very grey area !
When I had DHD it was much simpler.. I had S-OFF.. As i know there is no S-OFF method?
Can you tell me an example and issues when people had warranty repair?
Hi everyone i have htc one x running on stock JB with cid 32..
i want to root my cell and want to install custom rom on it...
my question is that is that any other way to unlock my bootloader other than htc dev or after unlocking from htc dev is there any other way to completely stock to claim my warranty..??
Youtube
There is many videos on youtube showing you how to root htc one x here is one i found helpful:
http://onexroot.com/category/one-x-root/
Look down the list to find the one u need
hope this helps.
buddy i want to know is there is any other way to unlock the bootloader other than htcdev??
after rooting can i able to claim my warranty if i needed??
rakesh595160 said:
buddy i want to know is there is any other way to unlock the bootloader other than htcdev??
after rooting can i able to claim my warranty if i needed??
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No and no.
There are some Chinese websites that can unlock without using htcdev but once you unlock. the phone will know that it has been unlocked.
If you relock. The boot loader will say relocked rather than locked so HTC will know that it has been done. Even if you don't use their tools to do it
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Hi everyone i googled a lot about s-off for htc one v, but there is no normal info how to do that... so there is now way to do that or i dont know something?
The one V can't get s-off indeed.
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So without setting up s-off i cant change cid?
lars1216 said:
The one V can't get s-off indeed.
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nutonas said:
So without setting up s-off i cant change cid?
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no u can't
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nutonas said:
Hi everyone i googled a lot about s-off for htc one v, but there is no normal info how to do that... so there is now way to do that or i dont know something?
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There are only hardware solutions [which don't make a lot of sense for a common end user]. lg(e) tool & riff box both offer methods for s-off on gsm one v. A local repair shop might have one of these tools. I have a riff box, but that doesn't do many ppl very good. No soft-unlock; I agree with previous posters there.
Can you post the pic sir? Cuz i dont hear any of that b4
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danishaznita said:
Can you post the pic sir? Cuz i dont hear any of that b4
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Sure, as soon as I get cdma support for same.. I carry a Virgin Mobile [as of today].
The sticky part is you have to have a jtag tool.. found out medusa box also supports htc one v. Then, possibly even more sticky, you have to disassemble your phone and use testpoint to disable your emmc. Lots of people have totally screwed their phones not following that hairy step.. The rest is quite easy should you have and read your respective jtag support literature.
Rob
I don't think people will be willing to dissemble their phones for s-off
What i mean to say that its too risky
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aashukmehta said:
I don't think people will be willing to dissemble their phones for s-off
What i mean to say that its too risky
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I totally agree with you. S-OFF really is not needed unless you're a true developer. And by that I mean, unless you are wanting to look at and tweak your bootloader and/or radio.. why does one even need S-OFF? The HTC unlock should work just fine for 95% or more of the people out there. Those that dare to need more... they'll just have to pay to play [or take that risk].
Regards,
Rob
insink71 said:
I totally agree with you. S-OFF really is not needed unless you're a true developer. And by that I mean, unless you are wanting to look at and tweak your bootloader and/or radio.. why does one even need S-OFF? The HTC unlock should work just fine for 95% or more of the people out there. Those that dare to need more... they'll just have to pay to play [or take that risk].
Regards,
Rob
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CDMA ver should got S-OFF , GSM yet no S-Off yet.
S-OFF is super useful for who want to do custom rom/kernel without breaking the warranty because you can unlock BL without via HTC unlock and lock BL again at anytime when you want to send it back to HTC service centre.
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TheEndHK said:
CDMA ver should got S-OFF , GSM yet no S-Off yet.
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1) GSM is supported T320e PK7610000 by riff box, lg(e) tool, medusa, and possibly others; CDMA is not PK7630000.
S-OFF is super useful for who want to do custom rom/kernel without breaking the warranty because you can unlock BL without via HTC unlock and lock BL again at anytime when you want to send it back to HTC service centre.
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2) S-Off voids your warranty the same as HTC unlock. Talk to anyone who ever used the xtc-clip, and see how easy it is to S-On after S-Off.
You can customize both roms and kernels with HTC unlock. The only restraints are as I mentioned before: your stuck on latest bootloader and radio cannot be tampered with [or switched to another carrier]. That's pretty much it. The differences in a nutshell.
Rob
insink71 said:
1) GSM is supported T320e PK7610000 by riff box, lg(e) tool, medusa, and possibly others; CDMA is not PK7630000.
2) S-Off voids your warranty the same as HTC unlock. Talk to anyone who ever used the xtc-clip, and see how easy it is to S-On after S-Off.
You can customize both roms and kernels with HTC unlock. The only restraints are as I mentioned before: your stuck on latest bootloader and radio cannot be tampered with [or switched to another carrier]. That's pretty much it. The differences in a nutshell.
Rob
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There have been some One Vs that shipped with S-OFF
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MameTozhio said:
There have been some One Vs that shipped with S-OFF
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Companies, including HTC, do make a limited number of S-off devices [typically for qualcomm developers or the carrier development teams]. These have occasionally been shipped out in error to regular customers. It is like finding a golden easter egg though, not typical. In those rare cases HTC might take phone back [to save face since ultimately was a shipping error] but typically s-off will void a warranty. Truthfully though, if you have a s-off device, one would rarely need to utilize warranty. 99% of issues out there can be fixed with software [patches, replacing binaries, kernels, etc.] Only time warranty is needed is when hardware fails; which, hasn't happened to me ever i the many devices I've owned.
Rob
Only hardware faults I've seen with this particular model [HTC One V] are bad/fried emmc chips and/or bad resistor from emmc. These typically come from people that have tried to defeat the emmc write protection [purposefully or unwittingly]. Unfortunately, this is why with these devices test point must be used [which shorts the emmc disabling the write protection] or indeed hardware damage could occur to your device [if your determined to try but attempt to write w/o disabling the write protection]. Do I believe many will actually partially disassemble their phone for s-off? Nope. Will I still work on and publish [safe] method if I can? Yep. Hardware failures on this device are denoted by dropping into qhsusb_dload mode [w/o invoking it properly through test point].
insink71 said:
1) GSM is supported T320e PK7610000 by riff box, lg(e) tool, medusa, and possibly others; CDMA is not PK7630000.
2) S-Off voids your warranty the same as HTC unlock. Talk to anyone who ever used the xtc-clip, and see how easy it is to S-On after S-Off.
You can customize both roms and kernels with HTC unlock. The only restraints are as I mentioned before: your stuck on latest bootloader and radio cannot be tampered with [or switched to another carrier]. That's pretty much it. The differences in a nutshell.
Rob
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I don't know GSM got S-OFF now. Can you give me the link?
However, I don't fully agree S-OFF voids warranty as HTC said the only way to loss warranty is via HTC Lock Website and they can have an official record about you agree to loss the warranty. There are little devices ship with S-OFF. HTC doesn't willing to repair them?
One more stuff about S-OFF. You can flash the rom with kernel together in recovery mode and don't need to flash the kernel via fastboot separately.
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TheEndHK said:
I don't know GSM got S-OFF now. Can you give me the link?
However, I don't fully agree S-OFF voids warranty as HTC said the only way to loss warranty is via HTC Lock Website and they can have an official record about you agree to loss the warranty. There are little devices ship with S-OFF. HTC doesn't willing to repair them?
One more stuff about S-OFF. You can flash the rom with kernel together in recovery mode and don't need to flash the kernel via fastboot separately.
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S-Off used to void warranty.. there used to be [probably still is] a checksum in bootloader.. you call a htc repair shop for rma and they will request you boot the phone to bootloader, run the test, and read them the numbers. That test tells if a device has been tampered with, and in my experience, s-off devices couldn't get RMAs ::shrug::
Ok links are to hardware tools [which cost money] but can s-off gsm devices:
http://www.jtagbox.com/jtag-news/riff-jtag-htc-t320e-htc-primo-unbrick-unlock-supercid-imei-repair-supported/
http://www.lgtool.net/phones/htc.html
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f664/medusa-box-v1-7-5-htc-repair-via-usb-added-1639081/
There may be others..
Regards
Rob
insink71 said:
S-Off used to void warranty.. there used to be [probably still is] a checksum in bootloader.. you call a htc repair shop for rma and they will request you boot the phone to bootloader, run the test, and read them the numbers. That test tells if a device has been tampered with, and in my experience, s-off devices couldn't get RMAs ::shrug::
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Thanks for your links.
But with S-OFF, you can remove the tampered status in bootloader.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357624
I read it here from HTC One. You can even change it back to S-ON before you send it to HTC service center.
tampered flag not the same as checksum test, but yep [once s-off] should be able to remove tampered flag.
Some S-off solutions can S-on; Some cannot. For hope in the matter, always run a full dump [preferably on a clean, factory reset device] before you s-off.
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insink71 said:
tampered flag not the same as checksum test, but yep [once s-off] should be able to remove tampered flag. checksums called image crc in bootloader.
Some S-off solutions can S-on; Some cannot. For hope in the matter, always run a full dump [preferably on a clean, factory reset device] before you s-off.
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so what's the benefits of s-off?
and what''s the difference from s-on and s-off devices?
i just begin to learn all these things
jasperlin1996 said:
so what's the benefits of s-off?
and what''s the difference from s-on and s-off devices?
i just begin to learn all these things
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google is your friend mate.....
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insink71 said:
S-Off used to void warranty.. there used to be [probably still is] a checksum in bootloader.. you call a htc repair shop for rma and they will request you boot the phone to bootloader, run the test, and read them the numbers. That test tells if a device has been tampered with, and in my experience, s-off devices couldn't get RMAs ::shrug::
Ok links are to hardware tools [which cost money] but can s-off gsm devices:
http://www.jtagbox.com/jtag-news/riff-jtag-htc-t320e-htc-primo-unbrick-unlock-supercid-imei-repair-supported/
http://www.lgtool.net/phones/htc.html
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f664/medusa-box-v1-7-5-htc-repair-via-usb-added-1639081/
There may be others..
Regards
Rob
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I was told that s-off can easily brick the phone.
Ok so I have installed arhd and want to revert back to stock for warranty service
I made a Nandroid backup before unlocking the bootloader
Please guide me through the process
specs:-
cid-11111111
hboot-1.36
s-off
U can't get completely to stock. You have to install your main version RUU after locking the bootloader, but u will face the problem where the bootloader says 'relocked' instead of 'locked'
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So will I be able to get warranty service or not
I don't think so dude.
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Can anyone else confirm this fact?
You can easily return to stock and run any ruu because you have s-off
with s-off you can also LOCK the bootloader instead of relocked, so lock it and send it for warranty
Depends on what is the problem with Your HOX. If they need to replace Your motherboard then You gonna pay for it. HTC official policy... I'm from Poland and I sent it for repair 3 times. Everytime they needed to replace motherboard. And they did it two times even with relocked bootloader (don't know why, maybe they always repair phones with broken autorotation? common issue with hox. coz it was the case with first and second repair). 3rd time I got problem with screen backlight and bang - ~$300 . I tried contacting with HTC Poland and HTC Taiwan but same answer. If bootloader was unlocked and motherboard needs to be replaced You need to pay for it. Any other issue with any other part and they fix it for free. So hard to tell really. You may be lucky What is Your issue with HOX? You may also consider burning down the motherboard... They will not be able to tell if You had bootloader unlocked... But it's kinda cheating... I just read somewhere that some dude did it and they replaced his motherboard for free
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You can easily return to stock and run any ruu because you have s-off
with s-off you can also LOCK the bootloader instead of relocked, so lock it and send it for warranty
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These are good news, am thinking of selling my phone and getting s-off HOX.
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Stefan0vic said:
You can easily return to stock and run any ruu because you have s-off
with s-off you can also LOCK the bootloader instead of relocked, so lock it and send it for warranty
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Can you explain how to lock bootloader
I have a nandroid backup can I use that for restoring my phone
Please explain
Thanks for everyone that helped really appreciate all replies
And I just realized that putting "urgent" in my title of the thread does not mean that my question is more important than others
Any help will be appreciated
An s-off hox also can show relocked only.