My wife and I have this phone. A few weeks ago I installed Juice Defender (free) on mine and so far it's working remarkably well. Last night I installed it on my wife's phone and the battery level dropped precipitously. She wasn't using the phone much (if at all) and eventually plugged it in to charge it up. After fully charging, the phone wasn't used - overnight it just sat on the kitchen counter and the battery went from 100% to 17%. Never had this problem with my phone and can't figure out what the deal is. Does Juice Defender have a weird reaction under certain settings or installed apps that I don't know about?
Colonel Travis said:
My wife and I have this phone. A few weeks ago I installed Juice Defender (free) on mine and so far it's working remarkably well. Last night I installed it on my wife's phone and the battery level dropped precipitously. She wasn't using the phone much (if at all) and eventually plugged it in to charge it up. After fully charging, the phone wasn't used - overnight it just sat on the kitchen counter and the battery went from 100% to 17%. Never had this problem with my phone and can't figure out what the deal is. Does Juice Defender have a weird reaction under certain settings or installed apps that I don't know about?
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I have exactly the same issue? you get anywhere with this?
Thats strange... I was planning on installing JD myself after a couple of days without it to get a good baseline. Anyone know what the deal is?
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Thats strange... I was planning on installing JD myself after a couple of days without it to get a good baseline. Anyone know what the deal is?
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I installed it one of the first days I got my LGOG, before it was rooted or unlocked and it killed my battery. I went through everything within the app and couldn't figure it out at all. Next step would be to contact the dev to see if he has any ideas.
Why not just use the builtin methods to save your battery?
Assimilated using the interface that interacts with the advanced internet.
I think I'm getting decent battery life with juice defender on
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Man listen you do not need addon software to save your battery. It's useless! You do not need any software or app to save battery life! It's like me using pc with norton protection LOL. Turn your sync off.
I've been using jd since the day I got my phone... No battery drain problems. I have my settings on a semi frequent sync schedule (30mins) and can get about 1.5-2 days if I let the battery get close to 0. Check your settings... Both in jd and not.
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I never partook in using these seemingly useless apps. From what I have seen over the years, these apps cannot really differentiate what processes need to run for system stability versus what is just eating up RAM and metaphorically killing the battery. I have never had success using battery saving or task managing apps, as they eventually always proved counterintuitive.
Want better battery life? Turn on Eco mode; lower your screen display; keep Wifi, NFC, and bluetooth off when not in use; and turn your vibration completely off.
JD does bring a few features you can't find in the native settings - I use it mostly to lower the screen brightness below the lowest built in setting for usage at night, as well as to quickly turn on data when I turn the screen on, and intelligently choose which type of data to connect to.
I think the main value is that I can get the best performance out of my phone (all cores, bluetooth constantly on so it connects instantly in the car, nfc on demand) when I am using it, and battery savings when I'm not. It's a very powerful tool, as long as you know how to configure it! It takes some tweaking but it's worth it.
That said, I'd contact the developers to see if you can send them some kind of log file to see what could be going on with the battery drain... They might be able to help, though JD seems to be out of active development.
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I got my Desire in april and ever since I've never managed to get the battery to last more than a day.
I've tried different ROMs (Defrost, OpenDesire with and without Sense, MoDaCo r4, DJDroid, Neophyte, Pays-rom 2.1) but it's always the same: almost no drain in sleep mode but as soon as I turn the screen on and start using it the battery goes down ~20% every hour. I don't believe that's normal since some people get 3-4 days out of their battery.
For example, today my phone has been on for 2½ hours and lost 43% battery with WiFi on, just surfing the net and using Tapatalk.
The screen brightness is fixed at 30%, auto-sync off, bluetooth off, network mode set to WCDMA only and I have good 3G reception where I live.
I have no clue what to do, maybe someone else does?
I have the same life spend for my battery. I think its quite normal for desire. Unless I'm abnormal too : x
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You can use setCPU to underclock the processor or to create rules to make it powersaver.
I (as many other people) have one for setting the max/min processor to 245MHz when the screen is off, so it doesnt waste so much battery. I havent tested a lot, since I did it yesterday but the battery is lasting longer.
Also there are different ROMs that have better battery life...
AzureusPT said:
You can use setCPU to underclock the processor or to create rules to make it powersaver.
I (as many other people) have one for setting the max/min processor to 245MHz when the screen is off, so it doesnt waste so much battery. I havent tested a lot, since I did it yesterday but the battery is lasting longer.
Also there are different ROMs that have better battery life...
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I'm using neophyte 1.3 now since it was said to give you good battery time but I don't think SetCPU works with it...
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I use JuiceDefender. Just by installing the free app from the market, I've increased my battery by 1.5x what it was originally.
With Ultimate Juice installed, I saw an increase of up to 2.5x.
Sods law, I can't purchase anything via the market due to having a Google Apps email account :|
gRoberts said:
I use JuiceDefender. Just by installing the free app from the market, I've increased my battery by 1.5x what it was originally.
With Ultimate Juice installed, I saw an increase of up to 2.5x.
Sods law, I can't purchase anything via the market due to having a Google Apps email account :|
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I've tried it but it's not helping since I'm not syncing anything automatically anyway and the battery isn't drained with screen off.
It's when I start using the phone my battery percentage goes bananas.
And btw I know how you feel, I live in Sweden and we don't have paid apps here. Thank god for MarketAccess.
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My Desire was acting like that during my first 2 days of usage. The battery was draining really fast even in standby mode. I installed advanced task killers and after that the battery improved. I do not know if it is because this app or there were some other configurations that I accidentally did...
But the battery life right now is way better than before (even lasts longer than my previous iphone 3gs). Hope this helps =D
I have pretty decent battery life and I use the stock unrooted unmodified rom. Some apps completely obliterate battery life. I used to keep eBuddy open, but I found that it kills my battery faster then anything else.
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Just downloaded setcpu to take a look. Should I be looking to use the default settings or is there something I should be changing?
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markuz85 said:
I got my Desire in april and ever since I've never managed to get the battery to last more than a day.
I've tried different ROMs (Defrost, OpenDesire with and without Sense, MoDaCo r4, DJDroid, Neophyte, Pays-rom 2.1) but it's always the same: almost no drain in sleep mode but as soon as I turn the screen on and start using it the battery goes down ~20% every hour. I don't believe that's normal since some people get 3-4 days out of their battery.
For example, today my phone has been on for 2½ hours and lost 43% battery with WiFi on, just surfing the net and using Tapatalk.
The screen brightness is fixed at 30%, auto-sync off, bluetooth off, network mode set to WCDMA only and I have good 3G reception where I live.
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Hmm, when you say "just surfing the net", you're actually using WiFI + AMOLED + CPU, which are 3 of the biggest battery drains on the device.
IME, you can get days out of the phone, but if you actually have the screen turned on all of the time (i.e. you're actually using the phone), then 20% per hour probably isn't that insane. After all, that's 5 hours of continuous use, which isn't too awful from a modern smart phone.
Honestly, I think the answer might be "Yes, it does that" and "you'll probably need to charge it during the day". I've taken to charging mine on the way to work and back again (about 45 mins each way) and I'm still at 90% at bedtime.
Oh, and forget JuiceDefender. Yes, it makes a difference...but only when the screen is turned off. As soon as you start using it (and that's what you're obviously doing here), it shifts out of the way. Once I realised this, I uninstalled it...never looked back.
Daern
Oh, couple of other notes. Bluetooth doesn't make that much difference unless you're actually using it. 3G uses quite a bit more power compared to 2G. Consider switching to 2G when you're on WiFi. (sadly, no automated way to do this )
i am not using any of these tools.
i have wifi always on 3g on
no live wallpaper and push mail (k-9) with 2 accounts
my battery lasts 1,5-2 days. with phone turned off during the night. 0am till 7am.
i am surfing a lot and writing a lot emails.
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Hmm, when you say "just surfing the net", you're actually using WiFI + AMOLED + CPU, which are 3 of the biggest battery drains on the device.
IME, you can get days out of the phone, but if you actually have the screen turned on all of the time (i.e. you're actually using the phone), then 20% per hour probably isn't that insane. After all, that's 5 hours of continuous use, which isn't too awful from a modern smart phone.
Honestly, I think the answer might be "Yes, it does that" and "you'll probably need to charge it during the day". I've taken to charging mine on the way to work and back again (about 45 mins each way) and I'm still at 90% at bedtime.
Oh, and forget JuiceDefender. Yes, it makes a difference...but only when the screen is turned off. As soon as you start using it (and that's what you're obviously doing here), it shifts out of the way. Once I realised this, I uninstalled it...never looked back.
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Okay so I guess it's normal, I guess I'll just have to fire up the ol' charger a bit more often then
Btw I don't use JuiceDefender anymore either, didn't make any difference other than the widget claiming to have increased your battery time
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Here comes a hint:
Turn off ALL unnecessary widgets like "Bluetooth", "GPS", "WiFi". Turn off also "Mobile"-internet widget, and turn it on only when u want to update some apps or check your mail.
I have noticet that "Mobile"-internet widget drains hell of a lot battery, but if u turn it off now and then u will have ure phone, like I had, for 6 days - with one charge!
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Here comes a hint:
Turn off ALL unnecessary widgets like "Bluetooth", "GPS", "WiFi". Turn off also "Mobile"-internet widget, and turn it on only when u want to update some apps or check your mail.
I have noticet that "Mobile"-internet widget drains hell of a lot battery, but if u turn it off now and then u will have ure phone, like I had, for 6 days - with one charge!
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I always have GPS turned off and wifi off when not using it, never used bluetooth and I'm using Data On Demand which turns off mobile data when the screen is off.
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First, the set up.
I have an Incredible running Skyraider 2.52 with the 2.6.32.15-adrynalyne kernel. I use SetCPU to set some rather aggressive battery preservation, chief among them being the profile that sets the CPU to 245mHz on screen off (using the Powersave scaling so as to eliminate CPU polling). I have Autokiller set to near absurd levels (the Ultimate preset). I even use Autorun Killer to disable some nonsense apps from starting at boot. Needless to say, battery is a priority.
Also, I should note that I am using the 1750 mah Seido battery.
This morning, I charged my phone to 100% (even a little beyond that, as I charged it with the phone off, but not until I hit the green). I unplugged the phone from my car charger at 9:20 AM. Wifi, Bluetooth, and mobile network were all off. I literally did not touch my phone for the next ten minutes, and yet...
By 9:30 AM, I was at 90%!
I quickly started up Froyo Task Killer, which allows me to force stop programs through Android's own task management. I closed several useless but likeable apps (like ONN and G4) and put my phone back in my pocket.
By 12:47 PM, after not touching the phone again, I was at 80%.
Clearly, you can see the difference in battery usage while otherwise in standby.
Is this a clear case for killing tasks, or is there something else at play? I know that task killers are a cause for serious debate, and 2.2 doesn't play nice with them, but this is a pretty weird case.
You're making an assumption that the battery discharge rate (or rather the displayed rate) is linear. In my experience, this is not the case.
You make an excellent point. However, in most ordinary circumstances, and certainly while running stock Eclair, I usually found that the first 10% battery drain took longer, certainly longer than 10 minutes.
Either way, 1% per hour is, all strange battery magic aside, pretty remarkable for a phone that is in standby with screen off in pocket. Especially when given the lengths I've gone to in attempts to extend said battery life.
once froyo hit i uninstalled my task killer.... haven't looked back since.
I currently run SystemPanel by NextApp.
It will prove to you that task killing is practically a placebo but I highly recommend it just to be aware of whats ACTUALLY killing your battery.
I use the stock battery and the OEM 1500mah. I am pretty happy with what I can get out of the extra capacity battery.
Try turning off 3G when you don't need it using the HTC widget.
If you can't stand the stock apps that always start up on your phone but don't want to delete them do as I did and get the full version of titanium backup (3.99) and freeze all the apps. Out will pretty much just like the name says, freeze the apps. You can then thaw them out when you need them.
I got almost 2 days up time and like 12 of those were up on the 1500 battery. Now I have the 2150 i am at 50 hours up and 10 hours awake with still 50 percent to go, that's first charge too, can't wait till it breaks in
Oh and I was reading somewhere that one of the roms has a problem like that. It might be the skyraider
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If you can't stand the stock apps that always start up on your phone but don't want to delete them do as I did and get the full version of titanium backup (3.99) and freeze all the apps. Out will pretty much just like the name says, freeze the apps. You can then thaw them out when you need them.
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Autostarts would probably be an easier way of doing this.
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You make an excellent point. However, in most ordinary circumstances, and certainly while running stock Eclair, I usually found that the first 10% battery drain took longer, certainly longer than 10 minutes.
Either way, 1% per hour is, all strange battery magic aside, pretty remarkable for a phone that is in standby with screen off in pocket. Especially when given the lengths I've gone to in attempts to extend said battery life.
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why would you bother having a smartphone if your intent is to leave it in the pocket? I get about 24+ hrs uptime one one charge (stock bat). Generally on WiFi, GPS, and Max Brightness for half of it.
Charge at work since I'm at my desk and no problems. Battery life is great, but if you don't want to use the phone in attempts to get max life, seems quite pointless to own such a powerful device.
Skyraider 3.1
You can go into battery info in the settings and see what is causing battery drain.
In my experience, most drain is when I'm inside a building with poor reception and my phone is on overdrive trying to find signal. Usually I turn on airplane mode and use WiFi if that's the case.
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Maybe its the kernel. Also I would stop killing the apps, not to save battery but because since they were stopped by the user, the Android system might start them up again almost instantaneously. But this depends on core processes and weather Android is done processing any info or other stuff from that app.
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why would you bother having a smartphone if your intent is to leave it in the pocket?
Skyraider 3.1
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I am not aiming for battery life alone, but I like to leave work and not need to recharge for an hour before I head out. I leave it in my pocket at work because, well, I'm at work. Although I do usually get in a few levels of Angry Birds or Shoot U.
The question is, how can I minimize battery use when my phone is idle so that I have the battery to screw around with it when I want to or have time.
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If you can't stand the stock apps that always start up on your phone but don't want to delete them do as I did and get the full version of titanium backup (3.99) and freeze all the apps.
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I never knew what that did. I knew the feature existed, but hadn't bothered looking into it. I already bought the full version for totally hands-free installs, so I guess I can now take care of Peep and Flickr.
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Autostarts would probably be an easier way of doing this.
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I had never heard of Autostarts. I seem to find that any apps that aim to disable startup entries always fail to list the apps I am most interested in blocking, but for 90 cents, I am definitely willing to give it a shot.
Edit: I haven't had a chance to determine its effect on battery life, but Autostarts is brilliant. It makes so much more sense to actually change startup entries than to try and stop a task after it starts. I also was unaware of how many events trigger apps to start. That is one powerful app.
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The 10% drop at the beginning has nothing to do with apps or task killing. It's a bug, the battery isn't telling the software the correct percentage it is at. Killing apps won't do anything to fix it.
If you want to 'fix' it, do a bump charge. Turn off your phone when it hits green, keep it charging till it hits green again.
i've tried different ones in the past when i had the thunderbolt and none made a difference whatsoever.
i see the big name one seems to be Juice Defender, but that was one that didn't do anything when i had the thunderbolt.
is there one that actually does make a difference with the Incredible 2?
The best way to save battery and maintain your usage is to make sure you don't use apps that misbehave. Using automated task killers don't really help if you are already doing this.
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The best way to save battery and maintain your usage is to make sure you don't use apps that misbehave. Using automated task killers don't really help if you are already doing this.
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well, i use a program called 'Bloat Freezer' to supposedly "freeze" apps i don't use/need. other then that i have another program called 'Watch Dog' that pretty much just alerts me when an app is using a ton of CPU & allows me to kill it.
i know not to use task killers though as those 'tasks' will automatically start right back up & the process of going back & forth ends up wasting battery.
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well, i use a program called 'Bloat Freezer' to supposedly "freeze" apps i don't use/need. other then that i have another program called 'Watch Dog' that pretty much just alerts me when an app is using a ton of CPU & allows me to kill it.
i know not to use task killers though as those 'tasks' will automatically start right back up & the process of going back & forth ends up wasting battery.
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I found the best battery saver is by things you can do.
turn off animations
turn off auto-brightness - put as low as possible, I found 50% is nice.
turn off wifi - WHEN NOT IN USE - TURN TO TURN OFF AFTER 15 MIN.
turn off mobile data WHEN NOT IN USE - OR MAKE IT SO IT TURNS OFF WITH SCREN OFF
turn off bluetooth -WHEN NOT IN USE
DO NOT OVER CHARGE, try to charge at night fully with phone off. don't leave it on the charger fully charged for a long time, (like over night).
set auto sync to 6 hours or so, or sync when open. or even better set to manual.
also a nice black background will help
all these things in the end will help you out, I get 2 days on stock battery with medium usage
Juice defender is legit I'm running the not free version and helps me out. Autostarts is a helpful app too
I don't think its gonna hurt anything to leave the phone plugged in overnight, and the dark background would only matter on OLED screens, not LCD.
Both the battery and the phone have circuitry to prevent overcharging. Leaving plugged in overnight and left on is perfectly safe.
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I don't think its gonna hurt anything to leave the phone plugged in overnight, and the dark background would only matter on OLED screens, not LCD.
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Yea high brightness.doesn't kill mine at all...and these phones can't over charge. HTC and if you use a cm based Rom, trickle charge from 90% to 100% and then discharge and charge from 95-100 until unplugged. It's why when you unplug it it drops to like 96% really fast.
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The battery life on the inc two is amazing stock. I have had no problems with any unnecessary battery drain .Notrooted but still pluggingaway two days between each charge
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I finally tried juice defender and within 5 minutes of enabling it got a LOS and before that I was on xda and market and it wouldn't load anything. I had it on balanced settings. Any one else experience this? After all I read it does t seem like it does anything more than disables 3g data when your screens off. I don't use wifi or blue tooth so that doesnt matter to me. Uhg this app frusterates me
I have no problems with this at all. I bought the ultimate to use all its features and it does increase my battery life by 3 hours max. Ive tried it on all the settings, Balance, Advance and Extreme and never had an LoS problem with it.
I have heard Green Power Pro is better but I don't use either atm
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Juice defender has been a saving grace. I got a LOS the first time I used it but not once since. My battery is lasting a stupid long time. I mean it takes my phone a hr to go from 99 to 98%
I'm gonna wait to root.the only reason I want to root is for customization.coming from the
Evo which was a killer phone to have due to all the roms that were out for it.
Every time I flashed, it was like getting a brand new phone.I'm just not seeing the
support for this phone that the evo had.this phone unrooted is still an awesome phone.
I too need a reason to root.hope some killer roms come out sooner than later.
Thanks for the feed back guys! Is there a program that tell me what programs are using the most cpu and shows graphs and battery % a hour of usage statustics/
BetterBatteryStats
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats&hl=en
Just installed juice defender this morning. No los so far on balanced settings
I downloaded and installed Juicedefender ultimate.... For the first time in quite some time, I was still at 50% battery after 8 hours of regular usage.
It'll turn off wifi and turn off data when the phone's sleeping and only sync when the phone is turned on or by schedule ( I set mine to every 15mins).
It's worked great for preserving battery life on my phone when using Dman's PACMAN 18.2.
And this is with the stock battery?
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Try this one too...Dev'd here (XDA)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2030696
This one gives me 2 solid days of use with extended battery.
Couldn't believe how quickly battery died without & how long it seems to last with.
Plus the guy's on here. Support local talent.
Even gives "Pro" free to XDAer's.
yes stock battery .. the other day I was at 30% after 15 hours ..
Juice defender actually memorizes where you are (somehow) and will turn wifi on in my house and this other site i go to where the signal is weak .. just auto switches it on for me when the screen wakes up, really really great app.
This other one above, i tried the version off of the store but juice defender kicked its ass ... Soooo many features in JD its a bit confusing in areas to setup, but the battery life is by far worth the cost of the pro app. Ill try the Battery Saver app that MoodSwinger posted above, see if theres a big diff or not.